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Xbox 720 leaker: PS4 fans are writing off Microsoft based on "literally nothing"

Thurrott slams "knee-jerk reaction" to always-online rumours [OXM] (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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dedicatedtogamers  +   1038d ago | Well said
A lot of people will write off something based on "literally nothing". It's why they say first impressions are important. It's not just PS4 fans writing it off. Plenty of gamers from different platforms are concerned about it. Of course, there will be people who end up buying it anyway and who brag about it being the best console ever. It's just the way the world works.
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onyoursistersback  +   1038d ago | Well said
@ article....
You don't have to worry about ps3/4 fans writing off the new Xbox (to begin there Sony fans).
"Worry about Xbox fans writing off there next gen Xbox"
Many have already said there jumping ship from Microsoft
sway_z  +   1038d ago

'...Of course, there will be people who end up buying it anyway and who brag about it being the best console ever'

So true, and they're the worst kind of people, cos they don't have a mind of their own.


'...Worry about Xbox fans writing off there next gen Xbox. Many have already said there jumping ship from Microsoft'

Yeah, I see your point too. Basically, all it will take is for MS to debunk all the negative rumours and show a bunch of new games at E3, and watch the same clowns 'Jump Back In'.

These types of people are literally dumb cattle sheeples.
anonymous92348  +   1038d ago | Well said

Many? You mean a few fanboys on N4G.

Most people are just waiting for the console to be announced, before making any decisions.

Anyone that makes a decision based soley on a rumour, is an idiot.
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JsonHenry  +   1038d ago
I greatly preferred my Xbox360 over my PS3 this generation. But **if** the always online thing proves to be true then I will be getting the PS4 only. Which makes me sad because I really want to own both but I just don't live in an area with reliable enough internet to have an online only console.
sengoku  +   1038d ago
and there right for doing so.
come on what's to know

dicks like Orth work there (not for long)
no used games not confirmed but very likely
windows 8 like dash controlled with kinect 2.0
no exclusives worth mentioning.
that about sums it up.

yeah i think i'll pass thanks..
Cueil  +   1038d ago | Well said
1. Everything is rumor...
2. Always Online doesn't mean Required Online
3. All of Microsofts new (including the Xbox 360) product use the "Metro" style interface first used on Zune HD
4. You're the same person who when asked what exclusives the Xbox has can only name 2... 3 at the max.
5. You don't sum anything up you're just being contrite.
Boody-Bandit  +   1038d ago
Included is a pic of my triple panel gaming rig, Fanatec CSR Elite FFB wheel (best wheel that is compatible with the XBox 360) and it takes 3 360's to use this triple panel display to play Forza. BUT I also own 2 other 360's for other areas in my home to game.

Okay, with that aside. Am I now allowed to express concern if these rumors turn out to be facts? Sorry but this article is pure flame bait. Is there Sony fans chuckling and jumping on the coat tails of these rumors hoping they are true so they can find fault or rub salt in the wounds? I'm sure there is. BUT I know a lot of 360 gamers that are very concerned these rumors might be true.

Most of the people I talk to so they would most "likely" end up still getting the next offering from MS but they will do so reluctantly. Myself, something like this, again and IF ONLY they are true, could turn me off completely. I rent and purchase used a lot more than purchase new. I'm not hurting for cash but only buy certain titles at full MSRP from specific genres that I know I will play for more than a couple weeks.

I am hoping these are rumors that MS will refute come E3 but I'm a concerned if they were why is MS at the very least not saying, "people wait until E3". All will be known then. When the dust settles. I don't see MS going this route. Always on hopefully is rhetoric and doesn't mean you always need an active connection to the internet. More importantly I hope all these used and rental rumors are pure nonsense.

Signed: An anxious but slightly nervous 360 fan, NOT a Sony fanboy.

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DragonKnight  +   1038d ago
@Cueil: You say everything is a rumour then you say "Always Online doesn't mean Required Online" as if you know that for sure. You're contradicting yourself and ignoring what this leaker is saying. In his own words, he's seen documentation that an internet connection is necessary for the Durango to function, he also further on says it's too late in development to change that now, so how do you know that it's not required?
BX81  +   1038d ago
I don't think many are jumping ship until they announce the new xbox and it's features.
sengoku  +   1038d ago

well yeah there are only a few exclusives.
the ones i use to play are already milked to death.

as for windows 8 style kinect 2.0 gui.
you know there going to force hand-gestures and voice commands now. it's not 100% but why els would kinect be forced to be connected to function??

i know it looks cool in the movies but i just want to play a game, i don't want to hold up my hand like i would in a class room to use the bathroom.
and don't like talking and especially repeating my self to a machine to eject disk or power on.

sorry but the direction they have been going for years now and the always-online + kinect 2.0 included and must be connected to function stuff, is just rubbing me the wrong way.

let's see there console but, my money is on it not being my cup of tea.
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sikbeta  +   1038d ago

46 million XBLive Users active right now, do you really think they'll ditch their years of investment? I don't see that happening always online or not


Truth, no one saw what MS got under their sleeve, IF X720 becomes a success... lot of you will be eating so much crow... it's going to be a nice spectacle to watch :D
loulou  +   1038d ago
another day with the same fanboys spewing the same stuff which is not yet true or false..

could please someone tell me what it feels like to be a pathetic fanboy??
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Kurt Russell  +   1038d ago
If it's true I'll jump ship. If it's not I'll weigh up my options when I know everything about the 2 headliners.
The_Infected  +   1038d ago

"Many have already said there jumping ship from Microsoft"

They said they will jump ship "IF" some rumors were true about the next gen Xbox.
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bangshi  +   1038d ago
I thought it was Xbox fan boys who are writing Microsoft off and cursing them for this always-online crap.

Why would PS4 fan boys care what the 720 is doing to make people opt for a PS4!
nukeitall  +   1038d ago

"Many have already said there jumping ship from Microsoft"

That is the thing, historically Xbox LIVE Gold membership has increased every year while the next console isn't likely to be released at the end of the year.

Basically what it means is depending on what grand plans MS has, it might just blow everyone away.

Remember when Netflix was released on Xbox 360? That is when Netflix adoption exploded, and made huge waves. A very simple feature executed very well.

Xbox TV might just be that, or it might not, but we won't know for a while. Same thing with the Wii, nobody thought it would be the superstar it became!

deal with it! :D
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Darrius Cole  +   1038d ago
@Cueil - Post. 1.1.5

Cueil said in Post 1.1.5
"2. Always Online doesn't mean Required Online "

Actually, in this case it does mean "Required Online," that's what's got everyone so upset. Either the new Xbox will play a game when it is not connected to the internet or it won't. All the rumors and leaks say that it will not play a game if it is not connected to the internet. Since this is a game console we are talking about, this means that the system will not perform it's intended purpose without the internet. That is very much required online.

The fact is no one cares whether has to be "Always online" or not. We only care whether it has to be "online for my game to work." If the only time the internet was required was when I want to play my game, then that is enough to make it broken. The system is slave to the internet, and not fit for use, or purchase.

The only defense possible is for someone to say "it's not true, the next Xbox will play a game if there is no internet connection".

It's as cut and dried and as black and white as can be. There is no wiggle room here. Either it will play the game or it will not; and these rumors either are true or they are not.
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FITgamer  +   1038d ago
@ onyoursisterback "THERE Sony fans" @ sengoku "and THERE right for doing so" [THEY'RE]
pixelsword  +   1038d ago
Yeah, because it's only PS4 fans complaining.

Tr10wn  +   1038d ago
Personally i can't find nothing for me in the PS4 so i'm waiting for MS to announce what they got but i think i will stick with my PC since PS4 games are still running 1080p@30fps so i will assume the same goes to the new Xbox.
Rex_Aeternae  +   1038d ago
Not all games are going to be 30fps in fact most will probably be (1080p) 60fps (for example battlefield 4) and as for games that are puzzlers and such, 60fps doesn't really do anything to help the game out.
But, if you only want the super incredible deluxe graphics that "only the PC master race can achieve" then you sir don't truly appreciate the story, music, and emotion evoking-ness that we should judge a game on.
Yes, I will admit that for some people having great graphics will make the game easier to like and play but it should not be the first thing you judge a game on.

Plus your use of a double negative means that you actually can find something in the PS4 that you like. Grammar . . . it's a lifestyle.
SilentNegotiator  +   1038d ago
Xbox fan(boy)s love to pull the old "Emmanuel 'Sony fan' Goldstein" whenever any sort of doubt or dissatisfaction happens to anything Xbox.

The entire internet isn't happy that leaked documents, angry MS developer leaders, third party developers, and a hundred other sources suggest that the next Xbox will be online only?

"It's the Sony fanboys' fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
--Delusional fanboy
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Yi-Long  +   1037d ago
'Literally Nothing'....
... is pretty much what MS has shown the last 3-4 years at E3 when it comes to stuff that interests me as a gamer, with their main focus on Kinect and dashboard apps.

THAT'S why I've lost interest in their new console. MS has lost it's focus on GAMES for ME.

I started this generation as a big fan of the original Xbox, never having owned a PS1 or PS2, and I also loved my 360. Still do actually, although mainly for 3rd party games and XBLA, and ofcourse the terrific controller.

But somewhere along the line, Microsoft has seriously dropped the ball, and after a very slow and poor start from Sony this generation, they really picked up that ball in the last 2 years orso, remaining a focus on cool new original IPs and core-games, and scored BIG with their PSN+, along with their PSN being free anyway.

The 'Always Online' rumours now surrounding the new Xbox, just means I won't even consider buying it.

MS is being run by fools nowadays. Sadly. The ONLY GREAT thing about the 360 the last 3 years, has been an absolutely fantastic output of games on XBLA, with some tremendous titles. And somehow MS has managed to piss off many of those great developers one way or another, so it's doubtful they'll be developing exclusively for the next MS console...
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limewax  +   1037d ago
So 208 comments and still nobody has noticed that Paul Thurrott also confirmed the always online necessity and even that MS are focusing on TV in this very article?!

For the love of god, read before you comment people. There's people in here trying to say its all rumor just because that's what the headline says. Try reading the rest of it first.
k2d  +   1038d ago
Funny how it reads PS4 fans when it's mainly 360 owners who are up in arms about this.

I would too, if my console of choice stood the chance of being online only.
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InTheLab  +   1038d ago
agreed. The next Xbox was not on my radar based on how poorly MS has performed these last 3 or so years and the lack of free online. This latest bit of controversy kinda made me say..."huh...whatever&quo t;.
zebramocha  +   1038d ago
@k2d I don't know why you are getting so many disagrees?as a ps fan only thing i want to see from Ms is,specs,games/features and if any of these rumors turn out to be true.
k2d  +   1038d ago
The closer you hit to home, the more flak you get in return. :)
MikeMyers  +   1038d ago
It's not just Sony fans but also current Xbox 360 owners. If it requires an online connection to work then a lot of people will write it off. What I do agree with is not to have knee-jerk reactions until we get official details on everything we should have clarification on. That includes the PS4. Sony hasn't revealed everything either, although what they have shown and said is very positive so far.
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fermcr  +   1038d ago
IF (i'll say again IF) rumors are true about the next Xbox...

$500, always online, no used game, more kinect functionality and titles... yep Microsoft's got a winner on their hands. /s
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Peppino7  +   1038d ago
They're writing them off based on rumors based off of devs saying stuff like "It needs a constant connection." I wouldn't say thats literally nothing. Maybe if it came from a Joe Shmoe, then yeah.
TheSaint  +   1037d ago
This, also Xbox need to pull their collective fingers from their A-holes and give us something concrete to base our decision off.
JANF  +   1038d ago
Have you guys notice how everyone saying anything positive about MS have 2 or less bubbles while the ones saying anything positive PS or negative MS have three or more. I wonder why?

anyway, I say lets wait and see, If this rumors turns out to be false a lot of people here will look foolish.
CC-Tron  +   1038d ago
You wonder why? Here's a clue. Sony4G.
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jacksons98  +   1038d ago
What has MS done in the last couple years for games? 360 owners have literally been left hanging. Sony is the only company supporting hobby gamers and N4G is a website for gamers.
IRetrouk  +   1038d ago
Load of crap m8, im more of a sony fan than anything else and i have been on two bubbles for years.
BlackTar187  +   1038d ago
i play everything but i support Sony focus alot more and i have 3 bubbles. Ohh less then you.

Maybe people losing bubbles because all they seem to do on this site is cry like little school girls about being outnumbered and blah blah blah.

never seen such victim card kids in my life.
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kenshiro100  +   1038d ago
Give me a break.

You lose bubbles based on complaints and screaming 'fanboys!!' instead of engaging in a productive debate.
Th3 Chr0nic  +   1037d ago
You speak as if N4G had a "community" behind it to make the bubble rating system have any meaning to it. This site is more like a "trollunity" if anything.
dcbronco  +   1038d ago

You're right about people buying it anyway. The majority of the noise is from Sony fanboys. People that are willing to buy any brand will buy both, all three or whichever they think is best. All of the talk is just N4G talk. If the 720 proves to be a better console they will go with the wind.
Eyeco  +   1038d ago
I'm not writing of the Nextbox, I may be getting bad vibes based off Microsoft's last few years but I'm not writing it off, because the console hasn't even revealed yet, and that's what's pi$$ing me off the most that it hasn't even revealed yet.

Realistically the 720 (as with the PS4) should have been announced and released 2-3 years ago, the 360 is almost 10 years old and we still don't know anything about it's successor, all we have are these negative rumours,

If we were in 2009 then I easily would have dismissed them, but the fact that where this late into the generation 2013 and so far only one next gen console has been released, and all we have of the Nextxbox, are rumours, bad ones that is, it's really off putting and it makes me wonder what Microsoft has been doing for the past 4 years.
Gimmemorebubblez  +   1038d ago
This is the part that worries me;
"Thurrott also reckons Microsoft has less to fear from other console manufacturers than from digital media outlets, presumably in light of such initiatives as Xbox TV, under which the manufacturer has founded a studio in Los Angeles to work on unique, bespoke television programming for Xbox Live."

And this:
"The problem Microsoft has has nothing to do with Sony or Nintendo anymore, it's Roku and AppleTV," he said. "The market for hardcore video games, the market of people will always buy the next Gears of War game, the next Halo game, the next Call of Duty game, it's fairly finite."

I got a SMART TV so I dont need TV services, I want GAMES MICROSOFT.
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Saigon  +   1038d ago
Yeah...I read that also, and I noticed it right away. This is what scares me. But the sad part, is that I am not surprised. in an IM message to another n4g user, we had a great conversation on this, and the other day i found an article that contained an Xbox tablet, MS is thinking of releasing. To me that proved why they are pushing Always on. Maybe this is the only way to allow the tablet to always be connected. Who knows. they are switching their competition and going into the realm of casual versus hardcore gamer market. either way this E3 is going to be interesting.
Leviathan  +   1038d ago
Xbox 720 leaker: PS4 fans are writing off Microsoft based on "literally nothing coming out for it except a few kinekt titles"
1Victor  +   1038d ago
have anyone though that the "always on" comments from orth was Microsoft way to test the waters imagine how bad it would be at E3 if they say one more thing our console is always on and you can't play used games as all games are locked to your account/console.the article writer assume that because some games he play have online parts that all games does need a online connection.can anyone tell me honestly how many console games are MMO only on xbox for it to warrant a "always on approach.
omi25p  +   1038d ago
"First impressions are the most important"

How can you have a first impression on something that has yet to be even confirmed it exists.

Its the equivalent of hating someone you have never met, heard of, spoken too. Because someone told you that they were annoying.

This website is literally the only website bad mouthing a fairy tale every single chance it gets.
Some of the users are the most hypocritical biased morons you will ever see.

For example i have literally seen one user say this in two different articles.


"Well its understandable really. Sony spend alot of money releasing these perfect games it must be heartbreaking to watch when people are playing there game with out actually giving Sony the reward they deserve for Being the one publisher who cares"


"Typically M$. Screwing over its "fan" base again.
So now not only to you have to pay for online you can even save a little money by buying used games. It isn't even as if there are any exclusives worth buying anyway. If anybody buys the nextbox knowing it does this they are nothing but a sheep"
Saigon  +   1038d ago
That is sad that they actually said that because it means they really didn't read the pattens. I understand that this is a rumor, but the content discussed is in favor to be relevant. I think what makes this even more creditable is the fact its coming from an Xbox website and again, the information discussed states the subject to be true. You might disagree with this, but the facts are in 'Read full story' link above.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1038d ago
PS4 fans are writing off Microsoft based on "literally nothing"

Lol of course fanboys will take any excuse to ride off the Xbox. But just like @dedicatedtogamers said, plenty of people on the net are upset obout the rumors.

We virtually know nothing about the Xbox besides this "Alaways on" rumor that continues to make its usual rounds.

But, despite the negativity shrouding the unannounced console, I have a feeling the new Xbox is gonna turn out to be a damn good machine. And great showing from MS.
oof46  +   1038d ago
Plenty of Xbox fans concerned.
TheoreticalParticle  +   1038d ago
Here's the thing for the leaker. Assume that the always-online DRM is true.

Yeah, while they're using an always-online system and there's only a handful of people online, and nobody's stressing the system, it's fine, and it's totally non-intrusive.

But there are a billion ways from prototype to production that something non-intrusive can come to be exceptionally INTRUSIVE.
potenquatro  +   1038d ago
This always online sux. Unless it's a 4g Lte option like W8 on tablets with some contract for less money SKU. Not allowing you to play software that you legally own however, would not hold water in court and I don't think all devs would like that. I personally have privacy and kid issues, or atleast my kid got issues, so my Surface and ipads are NOT 4g and my router is off when im not online(I live in a big city, this also stops people from trying to steal it). Basically my phones are the only thing always connected and i turn those off all the time. A "always online" NextBox would be horrible. MS, just deny this already. Between PS4, nextbox and their respective accesories and fees I'm gonna be dropping around 15-16 hundred in a clouple months. Ain't nobody got time for that!!
fr0sty  +   1038d ago
From the "Official" Xbox magazine, saying there is "nothing wrong" with always being online... = Damage control topped off with a hint of spin.
showtimefolks  +   1038d ago
no we are writing them off based of what they did in last 3 years, and that's coming from a day one buyer of xbox360 and original xbox

once kinect was introduced than they forgot about core gamers, they thought that market had been maxed out but look at sony still selling ps3 strongly and still delivering top notched games

personally i am tired of halo,gears,forza. I like fable,alan wake and crackdown but all 3 of those IP's have huge potential but MS just doesn't care since they don't sell millions of copies

also watch the last 3 E3'd MS conferences, I dare you to watch them back to back to back and than come back to me. we have mostly kinect crap and dance games followed by maybe a showing of next halo or gears

this time they don't have the advantage of coming out 1st or RROD, they better come out with a good plan otherwise i see sony demolishing them in every sense. Sony under Kaz's leadership reminds me of old sony which was aggressive and use advertisement to their advantage

so if expecting greatness out of MS or next xbox is hating on ms than so be it but when another company provides better value and more bang for my buck but i have every right to support that company with my money
kenshiro100  +   1038d ago
The fact that Microsoft hasn't denied these rumors is troubling. But they are rumors so we have to wait and see what happens.

And there are plenty of 360 fans that are worried about the rumors as well. I don't see why the journalist felt the need to say 'PS4 fans are worried about nothing.'

Some people own two consoles you know...
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Syntax-Error  +   1038d ago
PS4 hasn't shown me why I need to have it. My PS3 has tons of life and can still WOW me. I find no reason to worry about next gen right now. Let's see of most of you are going to give a shit when GTA5 releases
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50Terabytespersec  +   1038d ago
I want Solid State Drive in Raid 0!!!500MB per sec
on Xbox 720
80GB is fine for me!

Then I will gladly tell Sony to F off!!! LOL
This is the only way I will Buy a MS product over the PS4!
Psn800  +   1037d ago
No news is good news the old saying is . In Microsoft's case they need too start showing there hand or they will get left way behind because everyone I know is per-ordering the Ps4 already .
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extermin8or  +   1037d ago
not strictly true, they have all the info so far on the Ps4 to go on, Sony's track record of exclusive games and the closer and better developer relations Sony now has, to go on. Granted they don't have anything other than rumors on the net xbox but if people want to make a decision then they are basing it on something- also if they listen to him isn't that the same as listening to the rumors...
DragonKnight  +   1038d ago
For starters, this guy sounds like a teenage girl. Lots of "like" and "by the way."

Secondly just because for you Xbox is an almost entirely online experience, doesn't mean an always-online requirement is a good thing. For the millionth time, there is no such thing as a 100% consistently stable network connection, and that includes places like Japan who have a far better infrastructure for it than the Western world.

"Thurrott claims he has access to documents that reveal the next Xbox "must be internet-connected to use", but says he's not sure of the precise ramifications."

You'd have to be an idiot not to know what that means. It's plain as day. You need to be connected to use Durango. No connection, no usage. What part of that is ambiguous?

""I look at all this stuff that I've seen about Durango and I think, 'it's all positive.' I don't really see any bad news here at all. Like to me, everything I've seen about this is really positive."

Because you're an idiot.

"It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything. Aside from this online thing, by the way, the number one question I've gotten from people is, 'What does it look like?' Who gives a shit what it looks like?"

No information? You're the one that leaked this "online thing." YOU just said it requires a network connection to use. That's not "freaking out about nothing." You're either calling yourself a liar, or you're an idiot. And I'm pretty sure the next concern is about the Durango playing used games, which leaked information claims won't be possible as the Durango will force a complete harddrive installation of every game and lock each game to that one console. Clearly there is reason for suspicion.

""The market for hardcore video games, the market of people will always buy the next Gears of War game, the next Halo game, the next Call of Duty game, it's fairly finite. It's a decent market, yada yada yada, it's not the market for tablets, it's not the market for smartphones."

*Facepalm* You know so little.

As for the rest of the article where Thurott is then backpeddling, but then not backpeddling, and then backpeddling again, you're the problem. It seems that most of what you're saying is "The Durango will have an always-online requirement and you're just going to have to deal with it." And you think people are having a "knee-jerk" reaction? You haven't been paying attention to Assassin's Creed 2 on PC, Diablo 3 on PC, or SimCity (even though you mention it) much have you? This isn't a knee-jerk reaction, this is an experienced reaction. Gamers know what always-online means and have damned good reasons for not wanting or liking it. You really look foolish by claiming gamers have nothing to complain about.
Cueil  +   1038d ago
Steam... it works ok (though it was a pile of garbage for a long time)
DragonKnight  +   1038d ago
Steam is a bad example. It has its problems as well. It may have an offline mode, but after awhile it will force you to go online to check for updates and ensure you're not playing pirated games. Let's not forget also the ease with which people are banned, the fact that you don't get refunds easily after your first one, the fact you don't own the games you buy from there and can easily be locked out of playing your games because of that.

Steam is only lauded because of its various sales really.
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potenquatro  +   1038d ago
Steam still doesn't work perfect. The new UI is cute but unnesesary and it seem they make u be online more and more often. Also if you loose connection before a game can cloudsync when u quit it will almost certainly make you be online to restart. It's nice that they always update their games but always updating the Steam app itself gets annoying aswell
dumahim  +   1038d ago
"For me, Xbox 360 is almost entirely an online experience,"

He seems to be taking the Orth mentality on this. His way is how it is for everyone. Hey, great, you're online almost all the time. Me? Almost never. I use my 360 for games, and only games. I rarely play online with other people, so I don't want and I don't need an always on console.
Cueil  +   1038d ago
so you wouldn't want a console that automatic kept itself updated with newest firmware and updated your games while you were not using it? There are positives to having a always connected device
dumahim  +   1038d ago

No. I can do that now with my PS3 and I have it turned off. I don't want it starting up every night just do download stuff I probably don't even want, at least for game patches. I'm usually done with the game within a week or so. No point having it keep downloading updates for games I'm done with.

System updates might be another thing, but they're usually infrequent enough to not bother me. If 10 minutes out of my day every few weeks is too much, I probably shouldn't be playing games anyway. Besides, I usually do something else anyway while a system update is running.
extermin8or  +   1037d ago
@Cueil Ummmy ps3 does that whilst turned off, and my PS4 will do it whilst turned off/on standby without turning on fully and using a background processor with highly reduced power intake... and so far as we are are it doesn't always have to be online
Cocozero  +   1038d ago
Its because they are scared, MS beat Sony this gen taking nearly half of their PS2 userbase and they know next gen MS will take their remaining fanbase.

Scare tactics are their only weapon against the 720 storm
IcicleTrepan  +   1038d ago
I'll say the same thing I say in the Sony threads. Sony is not scared of MS, MS is not scared of Sony. They're both huge corporations that make money hand over fist regardless of what the other does, not kids in the playground.
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DirtyMagician  +   1038d ago
Microsoft hardly beat Sony this generation! The numbers are pretty much on par from the last time I saw, there's really not much in it.
anonymous92348  +   1038d ago
Microsoft might not of beaten them, but they shore did take a huge amount of their user base away from them.
joeorc  +   1038d ago
"Microsoft might not of beaten them, but they shore did take a huge amount of their user base away from them."

Taking them away is not the same as that same gamer now buying both system's.

I would say its more of the same Gamer's buying both systems, than just only having one system or the other.

Microsoft has expanded the xbox platform consumer base this generation, but on the same token, many of the same people that were only xbox only gamer's have now or is also planning to gather a Playstation or Nintendo system or other platforms also and vice versa.

this may in fact be the very first generation where all three game companies all have their current generation systems reach over 100 million+ sales. Sony has Sold about 153 million PS2's and it's Production ceased now so based on the number's right now slightly less than 50 million over 100 million consumer's most likely is now split among Nintendo , Microsoft and Sony add in Apple and Android and other companies like Samsung etc.

So its not just Microsoft took them all, if anything this part of the market is pretty much staying with the 100 to 150 million mark and has stayed that level for thos part of the market for quite some time, though that is a very large number due to that being a install base that can account for each of those consumer's buy 1 to many game systems. More of multi console system owner's than just one system now. which is a very good thing.
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insomnium2  +   1038d ago

Don't bother. I've tried reasoning with peole about this "same person buys more than one console so win all around" but it just won't sink. They have got to speak about marget sharez and try to make MS's success somehow into a bad thing for Sony.

Sony is in line to sell 130-150 million PS3's. How this can be turned into a failure is beyond me. Fanboy is a fanboy that's all there is to it.
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puamdefokejpn  +   1038d ago
Yes ,..real shitstorm of laughter,.. when always online,.. turns out to be true,.. They just lost 80 percent of consumers globally,..

It is completely insane proposition for a gaming device,..Thank you for using the internet I am paying for so you can have absolute control of the software and hardware I've bough.. This is so insane,.. and probably illegal,..I need to pay someone third party, monthly fee so I can even use the device I've legally bought,..? Gimme a break. God forbid my internet goes down for more than 2 minutes), Or have capped internet.. lolololo

and they can backdoor datamine your home with algorithms ,..So they can advertize crap to you (best case scenario) O how scared are PlayStation people,..

Go Microsoft !!!,.. Straight to hell that is,..

Yep, their main concern are the gamers /sarcasm
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stuna1  +   1038d ago
And you know this how? Talk about blind loyalty! From the looks of things Microsoft would like nothing better than have you paying through every orifice in your body, paying specific attention to your anus.
KillrateOmega  +   1038d ago
I see why you have only one bubble...

"...MS beat Sony this gen taking nearly half of their PS2 userbase and they know next gen MS will take their remaining fanbase."

You're saying that MS will take the other 50% of their userbase? So you mean to tell me that Sony will end up with a userbase of 0%, because by the end of the next-gen, not a single person on the planet will own and use a PS4. Sure, great logic...
Karpetburnz  +   1038d ago
Do you only care about sales and marketshare? do you even care if the Next Xbox is a joke with no games? heck you can have your marketshares, while I will be enjoying the PS4 and all the great games it has to offer.

Only die hard fanboys would choose sales over games lol.
Jamaicangmr  +   1038d ago
How is it that PS4 fans are singled out for doing this? Its stupid to take rumors as fact and form an opinion based on that. However Xbox and even Nintendo fans are doing the samething so why single out PS4 fan?

just saying.
BanBrother  +   1038d ago
Correct. I use the Epic Forums (for Gears of War), also look at Major Nelson's Blog (for sales), and a couple other sites that are Xbox 360 oriented. I am seeing people saying they will jump ship next gen all the time, so the myth that "only N4G fanboys are bagging the nextBox hurrdurr" is false.

Many Xbox gamers across the globe are considerifng jumping ship, FACT. I use many PS3 and 360 related forums, and I tell it how it is. 360 gamers are finally fed-up and will jump ship if MS don't debunk some of these filthy rumours.
I myself will most likely not be getting one, and absolutely 0% be getting one if it requires always online. I mean it, 0% chance. My internet is capped atm and I can't barely load a webpage, nor hold a steady connection to my PS3 or Xbox.
extermin8or  +   1037d ago
you mention you probably wont get one even if the internet isn't capped- so really you aren't basing your decision on rumours but on the fact that you like what you see elsewhere in terms of online and exclusives right? :p
oktob3r  +   1038d ago
he lost me with the words... windows 8.... -_-
urwifeminder  +   1038d ago
So what else is new they do the same to nintendo and pc as well, anything that doesnt have sony on it in the gaming world ,if sony did anything i liked id be the first to praise them day one MS.
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seanpitt23  +   1038d ago
I love Sony and the PS I have never bought a Xbox and I can tell you now that I ain't writing of Microsoft not by any means. Microsoft is one of the biggest companies in the world they will make a awesome console and they are a very cash rich company so they can take a huge hit on the sale of the consoles unlike Sony who have struggled these past 8 years. I think Microsoft will offer something different from Sony I don't know what but I think there system will be either more powerful or less powerful no middle ground but not much less powerful

Anyway there is two ways Microsoft can do it either make a powerful more expensive machine or a cheaper less powerful machine no middle ground but what I think is the more powerful machine because they saw what sony did in feb and decided to go with he upmarket console and Sony has gone With the cheap specs
extermin8or  +   1037d ago
No they can't, some of their investors reportedly wanted less spending on the gaming space and more into software and mobiles etc so they can't afford to piss them off and lose too much money per console sold-no one can atm
TemplarDante  +   1038d ago
Me, Personally.
Im a student. I cant afford having an "always on" wasting my bandwidth by taking my words, searching databases and feeding me ad's console.
My line is 10MB download. 1MB upload, and costs me $150 a month. It is capped at 20GB usuage per month.
So, this Xbox vision is NOT for me, but the wealthy and those who love to throw money around.
Surely, Im not alone in this situation.
I do realise the New Xbox vision is for the
-Soccer moms
-The people who jump around like mad in Kinect adverts.

I am NOT a priority to MSFT.
I was NOT who they had in mind when they made Windows 8 OR priced the Microsoft Surface systems.

I am simply,
a Core gamer.
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oktob3r  +   1038d ago
i am the 1%
Imalwaysright  +   1038d ago
You pay $150 for internet!? I only pay €25 for 20 MB download speed and "unlimited" downloads and still i refuse to buy a device, that forces me to connect it to the internet to use it.
JeffGUNZ  +   1038d ago
Question in all seriousness. Internet isn't an issued for you and it's unlimited, why would it matter **IF** the nextvox is always connected? In your case, it really doesn't matter. Is it more out of principal?
krazeecain  +   1038d ago
Lol pretty sure that's a typo. Even here in Canada shaw 250 mb/s unlimited internet costs $140 I believe. I think he meant $15, in which case that's a pretty good deal, although a 20GB monthly cap is rather harsh...
Imalwaysright  +   1038d ago
@ Jeffgunz Its the principle of it. I refuse to be forced to be online to use something that is mine. I refuse to buy games with always on DRM and we don't even own them because its software. Now Imagine how I would feel if was forced to be online to use something that is actually mine.

Honestly, I doubt that I will have a problem in buying the nextBox because I don't believe that MS will go ahead with something like this but I can't really be sure until MS announces it.
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DragonKnight  +   1038d ago
@TemplarDante: I live in Canada and being screwed by Rogers internet and even I get more for the gouging I take than 20GB a month for $150. You sir need to switch providers.
Britainz-Fin3st  +   1037d ago
You need a new supplier then mate, I pay £30 a month including line rental for 60mb fibre optic. And its unlimited.
Bathyj  +   1038d ago
I wont say anything as final as writing off, its possible though unlikely at this point I can be won back.

But I will say I'm disinterested in the next Xbox, and its nothing to do with what the hardware will be like, I'm sure it will be fine.

Its everything to do with how MS abandoned the Xbox 1, how they've barely supported the 360 for the last 3 years and how they dont seem to care about the core gamer anymore.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, well I'd have to say I'm just a glutton for punishment, and I'm trying to cut back on the gluttony.
TemplarDante  +   1038d ago
Agreed, Bathyj
JeffGUNZ  +   1038d ago
I don't understand you sometimes bathyj. In the last 1-2 years they released Halo 4, Forza, and Gears 3 and recently Gears Judgment. Also, not counting all the great multiplats as well. I really wasn't expecting much from the 360 exclusives wise the last 1-2 years due to the obvious next gen console and studios working on release games. I think you should at least wait for their reveal before you write off their next gen. system.
Rumplebumpkin  +   1038d ago
I think his point is that MS have stopped delivering on the exclusive front whereas Sony haven't.
Saying that it's ok because all the Microsoft Devs are working on next gen IP's doesn't work because Sony Devs are doing the same thing but they're still pumping out games for the PS3 as well.
JeffGUNZ  +   1038d ago
I'm not comparing MS to Sony, I feel this late in the generation the 360 had some solid games. Now, if they don't show me some new IPs and exclusives when they reveal the 720 or at E3 or whatever, then I will start getting pissed. I guess I am a glass half full kinda guy lol
Servbot41  +   1038d ago
In the last 1-2 years they released a shooter, a racer, a shooter and recently a shooter. Also, not counting all the great multiplats everyone has access to.

You really think that sounds like a great lineup?
Britainz-Fin3st  +   1037d ago

I disagree because even though i agree that Sony have more exclusives, the only one which i have ever enjoyed is God of War, the rest though others might find amazing, i do not.

GT was ok but was far to boring and i prefered the casual approach by forza.

I particularly was looking forward to the MGS series this gen but sadly could not get into it and as impressed as i was with uncharted that got repetive after a few hours.

And yes i know the replies are going to be but xbox only has Halo and Gears.. That maybe so but do the people that love to point that our realise that the people buying and playing them every release is because there isnt a better game for them on any other console?

I know its the case for me and millions of others obviously.
Crystallis  +   1038d ago
totally agree Bathyj.
clintos59  +   1038d ago
So every gaming site is a ps4 fan now for bringing up this subject lol. Mr. Thurrott why dont u go ask Adam Orth why he defended always online. Maybe sony payed him lol. Hilarious stuff.
sly-Famous  +   1038d ago
I think its more the journalists rather than PS fanboys writing the xbox off.
andreasx  +   1038d ago
Ofcourse they are, 90% of the ps4 rumours turned out to be correct, so there is no reason not to believe the 720 rumours are correct aswell.
slampunk  +   1038d ago
Oh S%&#..... this title alone is going to make N4G (sony fans) go nuts!
deepio  +   1038d ago
Knee-jerk reaction is totally right. I found it amazing that so many people were willing to commit to a PS4 based on no facts at all.

"You've seen literally nothing from Microsoft". Enough for everyone to pipe down a little? Knowing what some people are like, probably not.
Jek_Porkins  +   1038d ago
Any true gamer who wrote off Microsoft's next console based on rumors probably isn't a legit gamer, rather a fanboy.

You can speculate as in "What if it's DRM?" and say what you would do in that case, I was even guilty of that, but to say "I wont get it now", based on rumors is pure ignorance.

Coincidentally the new "rumor" is that the whole DRM thing was to create outrage for that and get people all thinking that was the worst thing in the world, only to introduce something like a pass for all used games. From what I read today every game comes with a code, you can buy new codes for a fee, but that is the latest rumor I've been hearing, could be MS leaked that info just to lessen the blow of passes for used games?
ILive  +   1038d ago
What is a "legit" gamer?
adorie  +   1038d ago
Gamer living a crime free life? No more of that moonshine bootleggin' fer me!
Jek_Porkins  +   1038d ago
Someone who games for the fun of it, pledges loyalty to no single game company, and doesn't degrade his/her fellow gamer's in any way.
greenpowerz  +   1038d ago
What's new?

The idea MSFT will have a more powerful console keeps them up at night. Why not smear the 720's rep and turn as many people as possible against the 720, just in case the 720 is more powerful? Of course what is going on in plces like N4G would be like Sean Hannity speaking for all Americans LMAO

Preemptive damage control.

PS fans flipped out when Sony said they went cheap this time.

Thanks for the laughs. There is nothing more funny to me on N4G than fanatical PS fans saying now that the 720 is always online they won't be getting the xbox.


Once MSFT shows this powerful beast of a console with some games no one will remember PS3 fans trolling 720. It's only hurting media that cover the rumors, resulting in less xbox fans, turning the media more pro Sony, the only ones reading their articles.

Like I said the rumors started again when a troll posted an year old rumor about the 720 having two GPUs on April Fool's to try and discredit the growing, ever more talked about rumor. Clever damage control...

PS fans are so scared of MSFT having the superior console they spend all day every day waiting for 720 news to troll/spin/smear. There are some people on N4G sit in wait like iGAM3R-VIII
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DoesUs  +   1038d ago
Theres no dual GPU. You really need to start looking elsewhere for the latest Durango news and rumours. You might learn something.
Aceman18  +   1038d ago
If i don't care about their next after after barely using my 360 this generation why would i, or anyone else would be scared of their new system?

frankly i could give a good goddamn about the new xbox the company rolls out the same 3-4 exclusives, and charges for something that's free everywhere else in the world.

yea im scared of their new system much that i can't get on with my everyday life lol. ill be saving money by not purchasing 720 or whatever the hell its going to be called.
ziggurcat  +   1038d ago
"Once MSFT shows this powerful beast of a console with some games no one will remember PS3 fans trolling 720."

and once MS reveals their next console, and it turns out to be weaker than the PS4, no one will remember you.
kenshiro100  +   1038d ago
...Wow, here comes the next delusional paragraphs of drivel.
Jakens  +   1037d ago
Will MS have first party games be download only? I don't see why they would even want game disc around unless they were selling "gameplay codes" for every console that game was put in to.
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The Rock Bottom  +   1038d ago
I don't post much. I mostly lurk about...but...has anyone noticed an increase of xbots appearing lately?
livealie25  +   1038d ago
No just more dumbasses like you
CC-Tron  +   1038d ago
Head Shot!
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IIJOSEPHXII  +   1038d ago
I'm an xbox fan. I will give it a few months to a year before buying the next gen, but atm MS are giving me no reasons to want the 720
stiggs  +   1038d ago
"MS are giving me no reasons to want the 720"

MS hasn't given you any reason to NOT want it either.

They haven't even admitted that a news console exists yet!

C'mon, use your head, man.
ILive  +   1038d ago
Why do people use this argument? Everyone surely knows that the console exists by now, there is no need to admit it. The same rumor as been running rampant on the internet. At this point, there as to be some form of truth behind. All I am saying is that it should not be taken lightly regardless of if it is a rumor or not.
Jakens  +   1037d ago
Let's not do research because the results of the research have not been announce yet.

Do you see what I did. I am amazing.

Anyways things have not gotten better but worse and this is a conclusion of research of the results that are unannounced.
stiggs  +   1037d ago
"Did you see what I did?"

Yeah, you made a fool out of yourself. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   1034d ago
Off topic here stiggs my man, Sorry for being a troll but atleast my conspiracy theory about microsoft is not far fetched and is very very possible. you cant be surprised if MS ever did pay someone. Just look at some of their employees Adam Orth, Creative director and yet arrogant. That's why its a theory I have not said any evidence. Yeah Im pathetic to voice out what I think about a Multibillion dollar company. The rich people always gets away with things.
SnakeCQC  +   1038d ago
i mean most of the games people love typically on ms consoles will be on the ps4 plus used games wont be locked and you get great first party games along with high def movies etc
Why o why  +   1038d ago
My thing is just to wait and see. Many people are saying they won't buy the next box IF (insert reason) is true NOT for zero season so if these rumors aren't true people will consider or buy it.

Some are just disillusioned because of how ms shifted their focus in the last few years. They achieved without much complaints from their core customers by relying more on 3rd parties to fill the voids, even though they supposedly own a comparable number of studios and dormant ips. That shows a slight lack of core pleasing ambition for many, not all, but many.

Some don't want to pay for live if there are comparable gaming networks available. Just look at the pc gamers reaction to when ms tried to charge them. They didnt have bar of it..

Some will be fan boys. Correct but there are other things at play. Let's not be ignorant to the facts, Greenberg coulda killed all of these rumors. . . Chose not to

SORRY. Born on the 4th of July has said the same thing. . .
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   1038d ago
Of course they write off MS because they feel Sony tech on the ps4 is superior to everything including PC. They are the disease of gaming feel as if every game developed should only be played on a Sony console. And any other console to them is considered an enemy. When you start saying consoles is your enemy its time to get up from there PC and go out and get some fresh air.
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DEATHSTROKE-cro-  +   1038d ago
game developers said it's more powerful than most PC's. and most PC aren't gaming PC. that is a fact.

and maybe nintendo and playstation players wrote MS off when they started charging online and stopped making new IP's for last 7 years.
koehler83  +   1038d ago
It seems to me that the onus is on MS right now to replace "literally nothing" with "literally anything else".
andrewsqual  +   1038d ago
Eh I still write off the 360 to this day. Its Xbots who are writing off the 720. It makes no difference to me what Microsoft do in the next 5 years.
thebudgetgamer  +   1038d ago
Xbox 720 fans praising Microsoft based on literally nothing?
koehler83  +   1038d ago
There is that too.
PFFT  +   1038d ago
And everyone else is writing it off on literally nothing as well. JUST as the name of the topic implies.
DivineAssault  +   1038d ago
The always online isnt an issue for me because i have great broadband but the (if true) required installs & blocking of used games is a major issue to me.. Also MS doesnt get any games i really care about that i cant get on PS.. Maybe that will change & MS gets some great apps i really want to have but i buy consoles to play games, not to mess with applications as i have a tablet..

PS4 will have the needed services/features ppl use... Netfilx? Check.. Hulu? Check.. Blu ray? Check.. Great games? Check.. Thats all i give a damn about with a home console.. I have comcast HD cable box too so i dont need TV from my system.. Its a plus to have it but not something i want a system for..
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Clarence  +   1038d ago
I've seen a lot of Xbox fans doing the same thing.
cleverusername  +   1038d ago
Look how many PC fanboys have written the PS4 off!!
Neonridr  +   1038d ago
That's only because while impressive for console standards, a graphics card from 2 years ago can still put out more numbers than the one that will be inside the PS4. It just means that PC gamers will continue to enjoy 1080p/60fps while console gamers will still have to wait.

We may see some 1080p/30fps but for games as intensive as Battlefield 4 and Killzone I think 720p/60fps is what they will be targeting.

60fps at 1080p may be achievable if the devs lower the settings for certain features (view depth, lighting, AA, etc) but I would rather have it at 720p with all the graphical features enabled, than at 1080p with only half of them..
adorie  +   1038d ago
720p hurts my eyes. even with AA it doesn't look too good. Details are lost. 720p VS 1080p is like night and day and the jump to 1600p, for me will hopfully see the same.

This year I'm making the jump to 1600p and hunting for a GFX card that doesn't break the bank, that will help me get there @60fps.
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Neonridr  +   1038d ago
@adorie: obviously 1080p looks way better than 720p but for most console gamers 720p looks better than what they are usually accustomed to as a lot of games on the PS3 and 360 don't even make it to 720p. I think console gamers would be happy with a rock solid 720p/60fps and then as the devs get more familiar with the system, that should increase. But do you really want 1080p to be played at only 30fps? Very jerky at times.
hobohunterz  +   1038d ago
Its not just the rumors though that are turning people away that's just adding to it. People are probably also looking at the lack of exclusive games and fresh content as well as how much Microsoft seems to be pushing connect as they move away from core gamers for casuals.
izumo_lee  +   1038d ago
I wouldn't say gamers are writing off the next Xbox on literally nothing. A lot of the 'leaks' & 'rumors' that were released for the PS4 were pretty accurate on what was shown by Sony. These same leaks & rumors are also the same ones releasing information on the next Xbox.

These may or may not be true or not but many of them are saying the exact same thing. With so many of them stating the same info one has to wonder if they may be true. Microsoft's continued silence with every day that passes without releasing a comment or two regarding these adds fuel to the fire that these leaks & rumors may be accurate.

Yes until Microsoft officially announces their next system many of this has to be taken with a grain of salt. Eventually the truth will come out & it may or not be the news that Xbox fans want to hear.
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