Metal Gear Solid 4 character designer/co-director explains why Raiden was chosen to be the Cyborg Ninja and the influence the fans reactions to him in MGS2 had on the story of Metal Gear Solid 4.
wow, never thought about it like that.
lol mgs4 wouldn't be complete without such metaphors
that Raiden is HIGHLY FEMININE......Something about the possibilities for speed, agility, reflexes, etc..of a CyborgNinja made him a likable character for me.... .... ... ....."The JOEY has Spoken"
I just want to know why he needed to wear high heels...
A wise man once said "A Ninja need not ever explain themselves, as Explaining takes away from valuable killing time"
Well reason he has high heels is because the developers are Japanese. The Japanese have no sense of what is cool or not. Heck they think purple and silver spiky hair is cool.
I feel sorry for Raiden he never found out what he wanted to do in life and everyone abused him because he's nothing compared to Snake
Damn........I kinda feel bad now.
yes I did leave raiden under Johnny Sasaki piss for about a hour on the hanger. I personally think kojima could have been better off of just having a female protagonist instead of a feminine ambercrombie and b1tch main character but cyborg ninjas are always cool in my book
I hope that they finsih him in MGS4 - "it" completely ruined MGS2 for me. I stopped playing an hour after Snake part was over. For some reason I just can't identify with a teenage drag queen wearing a leotard wiping out a whole military force.
I, for one, totally agree - he DID ruin MGS2 for me, you, & many, many fans at the time.
RAIDEN SUCKS !!!
"For some reason I just can't identify with a teenage drag queen wearing a leotard wiping out a whole military force."
lol, flawless. Bubbles+
I thought it was a funny explanation...."I look like this because they're so mean."
They shoulda had raiden suddenly become a washed out bum, then snake helps him get back into the game, then we have a suicidal raiden confronting a dying snake. And also make raiden all grungy and have stubby beard etc.. like he's a real washed out ninja, this would give the opportunity to give raiden more masculinity and anger and agression which his image needs.
it's a shame. i was hoping to play as raiden with the sword. it would have added a twist in the gameplay. *sigh*
lets not rule out a chance to play as ninja raiden I mean give us a chance to play as raiden one more time but WITH A VENGEANCE!
I never really hated Raiden but I do feel bad we made him this way.
how people's opinions of someone change when they are made into an UBER COOL PEW PEW ninja cyborg and give them some melodramatic story "he's falling apart because you said bad stuff about him" MGS4 Raiden is cool now, but i will not deny that his character in MGS2 was unnecessary and ruined the game for many (myself included).
Metal Gear Solid 2 was the first MGS I've played and finished and to me Raiden and Snake were pretty similar. I don't know why people hate it Raiden.
so this mean raiden will be in nagetive role?
I actually liked Raiden better than Snake. LOL, I bet I am gonna be CQCed by MGS fans now. *Hides under cardboard box*
...but im gonna disagree with u now
though i like Snake better, I dont see how Raiden was feminine. He wore a nano machine suit, choked people out, and could even turn invisible with the right amount of dog tags,, how the hell is that considered feminine. Are you guys even old enough to have played MGS2? I was in my teens still playing that, Im 27 now. WTF?
so how did he loose his body? rose is not going to be happy
we might find out in the game or this maybe a opening for another MGS game but with cyborg raiden hmmmmm maybe not
Eamon, Raiden kicks more @ss than Snake.
Hey EAmon do u have some space under that box,lol
... with u too
I am straight. LOL. Sorry, I just had to say that. You can go hide in the metal barrel.
*Hides under cardboard box* lol that one made me laugh nice one =)
thanks. I do like Snake too. He's an awesome character but I liked Raiden since it was a nice change from the typical middle aged rough-voiced snake
This shows how awesome Hideo Kojima, Yoji Shinkawa, and the rest of the MGS staff are. They took a old character that everyone hated, and turned him into a character that you desire to play as. Sick.
maybe, but not so awesome that they changed the trajectory of the whole storyline in MGS2 based on one gametester's complaints that the character is too old (if that's true).
now he is uber awesome =)
Raiden to take Master Chief anyday
while picking up the pieces he drops along the way?
will kick everybodies asses !!!!! :P old snake will die in first hour og gameplay. then he gets cloned and is perfect. he wont age fast . lool day dreaming again
... says the guy who has the RRoD for his display pic O_o Ninja Raiden II
Snake in MGS4 and Raiden in MGS2 essentially have the same looking suit.
Sooo, can't be attire.
He did'nt whine like a girl.
What made him so bad?
I liked him.
Everything Snake could do Raiden could, gameplay wise even adding a somersault and HF sword.Snake never got a sword.
First character to really utilize the M9.(not talking Snake Eater either)
It takes a lot of balls to do a naked cartwheel while being chased by guards.
Raiden deserves that Ninja Armor about as much as Brittany Spears deserves a second chance.
Just f**k off already, we get it, you think you're some kind of manly man and you hate raiden.
I personally didn't have a problem with him and people that say he was "emo" or whatever obviously do not know what emo means.
"OMG SNAKE WAS BETTER, PRETTY BOYS ARE GAY LOLOLOLOLOL"
That's pretty much all I got out of your posts, shut up.
Wow son, you should *really* consider some anger management !
lol, I am sorry I offended your *fragile* masculinity !
It's okay if you like emo boyz - I don't care !!!
Raiden can do everything Snake can Snake forward rolls -____- While Raiden can do cool somersaults Snake almost got killed by Vamp Raiden beat Vamp 3 times and can now match against him Snake has got *points to headband* unlimited ammo (due to Snake beating MGS1 with good ending lol) Raiden has HF sword to satisfy weird female japs and because he is going to be the next MGS cyborg ninja Before you crazy MGS fanboys start your SOP gang raping... *hides in tin can or dustbin lol*
The fact that Raiden uses a sword didn't only satify weird female japs, alot of people liked the HF blade.
Thinking about it, why did people (including myself) hate Raiden so much? I mean all he was trying to do was get girls to like MGS. Something a lot of us have tried to do (and probably failed). Jealousy perhaps?
you probaly hated riaden cause it wasnt snake.
I wonder if Raiden will be a boss?
In his new form, Snake would be no match for him. He can crush metal gears with his bare hands.
I agree in theory that Old Snake is no match for him. Old Snake must be around par with Solidus age wise. Being Solid (?) he's obviously better so probably around the skill of Solidus in his armoured suit. Raiden took down Solidus and now Raidens been enhanced further. Raiden could still be a boss, he might be unbeatable but gets his memory back halfway through the fight (Chaff grenades worked like a charm on Grey Fox they could help even the playing field a bit) We don't know where Raiden gets this suit from and we're talking about Kojima here so anythings possible! I can't wait for this game. =)
Raiden has no reason to fight Snake, so I doubt he would be a boss, storywise. The fact that he wouldn't be a match for him doesn't really make any sense, I mean couldn't you say Snake shouldn't be a match for many of the bosses? Metal Gears, helicopters, etc.
Recspec, how do you know they have no reason to fight each other? EDIT: Old Snake isn't Solid Snake... Hmmm, Well he is but he's older, and looking at times to be on the edge of a heart attack. Don't get me wrong Snake is probably my favourite character from any video game series (Seeing Big Boss just patch himself up from pretty much being hit by a nuke was classic) the dude is hardcore, his dad was and Solid surpassed him. Seeing cyborg Raiden in action though makes me doubt if Snake could keep up. Who knows, maybe chaff grenades make Raidens cyborg legs collapse and snake can go over and b!tchslap Raiden while he's down. Without em, Grey Fox could be a pain. But I'm just speculating, it's just something that came into my head while reading through some of the comments. Snake might meet Raiden on the battlefield, Raiden gets blown to pieces, Otocon has an instant Ninja suit that he get's the little droid to deliver and voila Cyborg Raiden, they then go off hand in hand and wipeout Liquid-O's plans. Who knows, just an idea. 3 months...
In one of the trailers, there is a scene where Snake is crouching over Raiden in a helicopter and Raiden coughes up blood/puke/whateveryoucoughupi nthatsuitaftervampkillsyou.
It's probable that Raiden does bite the big one and I know the scene you're talking about. If we're thinking the same part it's just before Big Mama (Eva) Introduces herself. But you don't know for definate he dies do you? And also why can't what I've described above happen before Raiden snuffs it? How do you know it was Vamp? That's what I love about MGS, the world is so crazy that anything can happen. I've been paying attention, but as I said above, this is Kojima we are talking about and anything goes.
Its that we couldent play as snake. Snake is bad ass and Riaden was kinda whiny and did a queer looking cart wheel instead of a cool stealth roll. I was also really was thinking taht that the part about otocon being molested couldve been left out, he cries way to much. Just think, if you were a bad guy and saw a long, blond haired guy in spandex doing cartwheeles, would you feel threatende at all? the article didnt work for me, is riaden going to die? It kinda makes sense that hes a ninja now because in mgs2 he started using the sword.
Actually, his hair was silver.
You probably didn't even play the game by the way you're talking about it, you just listen to other people's opinions and base one from that. When did Raiden ever start crying about anything? I'll admit that he was a bit of a newbie starting out but I don't recall any crying or whining.
Speaking of hair, did he actually have any? or was that just a wig, I mean, it never did turn invisible with stealth did it?
why? because he wtf pwns and i hope he is playable so i can wtfpwn noobs too. if not oh well snake is <3 lol
I probably completed MGS2 more than any other MGS (and that's saying a lot) yet it's the worst of the series for me. I thought Raiden was ok, I was supremely disappointed that we lost control of Snake but I came to not mind Raiden in the end. I have no problem with that style of character, I felt Sepphiroth was a great character and I enjoy many different types of anime so that didn't really venture into it but he's not snake, David Hayter isn't his voice and he just wasn't as rough and gritty as Solid or Big Boss. He was just too much of a noob "Did you say nerd?!" I never hated him and feel that he's a great choice for the next successor of the cyborg ninja armour. It's funny that when we had to play him, a lot of people were put off, now that we probably wont be able to play as him everyone wants to!
I liked Raiden from the beginning, everyone else is just bandwagon Raiden fans. BANDWAGONEERS!! Anyway before he was Raiden he was Jack the Ripper so for him to be a badass cyborg ninja isn't really a stretch when you learn about his past in MGS2.
Oh and Yoji Shinkawa is my hero.
i dont get where this hate came from. i think MGS 2 was one of the most epic games i have ever played, because MGS is my fave game series. he took down a harrier jump jet, a vampire, like 10 metal gear rays, one of snakes brothers, ran around butt nekid in a freezing facility, and whatever else (been ages since i played)so he does hold his own. he will never be as awesome as snake, but he's still a good character.
i like ninjas
i wonder if raiden still retains his memory seeing as all thats left of him is his head & spine, maby him and snake will do a few rounds and then he will remeber his past help snake then at the end sacrifice himself to save snake or something but theres so many possible outcomes!!!!! can't wait!
plus raiden was alright, i was disapointed that i didn't get to play as snake, but he turned out alright imo.
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