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Official Statement on what was said yesterday

Major Nelson writes: "I wanted to give you the official Microsoft Statement regarding some comments you may have seen yesterday." (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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dedicatedtogamers  +   479d ago | Well said
Sorry, Major Nelson. What was said is said. The genie is out of the bottle, and until Microsoft speaks up to deny it, we're pretty sure we know what they're going to be doing with the NextBox.

And guess what? A lot of gamers don't like what they see.
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Jek_Porkins  +   479d ago
What would you like Microsoft to do? Announce their is a next Xbox by denying a rumor of DRM? Ya, I can see that going well.

They are in a tough spot, I'm surprised they gave any comment about it at all. The genie so to speak is that DRM is coming and Microsoft isn't the inventor of it and if it is true, they aren't going to be the only ones.

So far we know Destiny is DRM, now perhaps AC4 and Watch Dogs....it's getting interesting and not in a good way.
JoySticksFTW  +   479d ago
Getting ugly guys.

From Gaf

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

If this happened... man, if this happened...

Man, I'd hulk the f out

Hogan, Incredible, Savage- doesn't matter

Somebody would be getting their ass kicked.

I don't know who. But somebody

You can disagree all you want, but imagine pulling a comeback like that off in SF or any game and getting disconnected? Insane
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Sy_Wolf  +   479d ago
Everyone and their dog knows Microsoft is releasing a new console. Killing this rumor now would be a good thing. Them saying "no comment" just reinforces the validly of the rumor.
darthv72  +   479d ago
@dedicated
but what was "said" wasnt really said. it was tweets that could have been by anybody.

There is no genie out of the bottle because there isnt any bottle.

The figurative "bottle" is nothing more than the speculation by crazed fans of the opposition on the internet looking for anything to try and spin into something they can work with.

Its like gaming paparatzi that are looking for the next crotch shot so they can sell it to all other gaming sites as some sort of proof.
BitbyDeath  +   479d ago
@JoySticksFTW, that would suck bigtime.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7...
sengoku  +   479d ago
this pretty much confirms it.
there is no reason to keep silent other then trying to cool the subject.

they have been planing this for sometime.
the xbox is a more diverse system and will include cable tv service able to record tv programs in the back or stream to second or third displays, ability to have you paying apps or games all simultaneously.
there looking at selling more subs not only for live but for cabletv, psplus like game rentals all shorts of subs that will bring in load of money for MS
all trough the internet.

M$ been leaving more and more core games behind and this next step, does exactly that.

if you don't have internet or cant pay for it,
you wont be as important because you wont be buying the subs anyway..
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cosmoracer  +   479d ago
I don't see how this DRM strategy is a bad thing for gamers or MS. Think about it:

1) Gamers that buy mod chips or used games don't return profits to game makers or MS. Why should MS or developers care about loosing this market segment. It's better for MS if this segment just buys a Sony console, mods it and buys used games. This way MS doesn't loose money on the console.

2) Gamers that can afford Internet can afford new games. Why would you market to a market segment that can't afford Internet.

3) If everyone paid for new games that gives more money to MS and developers, which expands the market and incentive to make more games and invest in cone R&D. This is good for all gamers.

4) Making Internet being a required standard means that developea can create games that are just Online only. This will create better online games.

I am ok with MS doing this. I think it's good for everyone. Gamers that want to buy used gams, go with Sony. They are a drain on console developers and software developers anyhow.
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gaffyh  +   479d ago
@Darth - seems like you're the only one with the tin foil hat because its not just PS3 fanboys talking about this, it's EVERYONE. There are people on the Major Nelson blog saying they've only had Xboxes since they launched, and are now considering switching. It is not fanboys SL"spinning" things, unless you think fanboys are really that organized.
darthv72  +   479d ago
@gaffyh
hey now...dont make fun of my hat. it took lots of reynolds wrap to make that.

It keeps the aliens from reading my thoughts. oh and its good for popcorn now and then.

As for the 'fans' yes i do think they are organized. Like ants that cannot think for themselves, they are organized to follow whatever is being fed to them.

They need to snap out of it. I dont have enough foil for everyone but if i did....it might help them break that singular consciousness and allow them to think as individuals again.
BlindGuardian  +   479d ago
@darthv72

whether the always online happens or not, a MS high ranking executive confirmed that it was indeed a MS's employee on Twitter last night

it wasn't "anybody" like you said
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BlindGuardian  +   479d ago
@darth72

OMG! are you serious? or you really really need this explained to you?

The statement from Aaron Greenberg, Chief of Staff for Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft, was NOT released through Twitter, it was an official Microsoft Statement released through a company's spokeperson to gaming websites

also you can find it here on Major Nelson's blog: http://majornelson.com/2013...

like I said the statement doesn't confirm that what that moron said to be true, or even that the 720 exists, but it DOES confirm however that that moron WORKS for MS.

let me know if you still don't get it
NateCole  +   479d ago
@jek_Porking

Just say the rumor is not true and x720 will not require always online connection. Simple.
MikeMyers  +   479d ago
MS may be forced to say something soon. Read the official reply again because it's not going to help them:

"We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday."

That means they now confirm it was an employee. The question is why would an employee say anything when so far everything is so secretive unless they don't like the leaks?

"This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers."

Yet there was no denial or correction to what that employee said.

"We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."

Again no denial of his comments, only to further wait.
JokesOnYou  +   479d ago
Why deny anything now?
Do you really believe that a console that's not even announced yet will be affected in any real way by rumors NOW?? lol The console itself at the earliest won't be on shelves until the end of the year or more likely next year. We've seen this before things are constantly said and changed back and forth, with so many gaming blogs(the internet) there is always so much misinformation= In reality what gamers will care about is what is said when Microsoft announces the specifics about the console, everything said now is just fanboy drama nothing more.

I highly doubt that Microsoft is going to introduce an "always on" type functionality for their next console that will be implemented in such a way that unless you have a active internet connection throughout gameplay that you will NOT be able to play a game you've already paid for. Sure you may need a internet connection as some sort of sign in/DRM but I don't think it will be anymore than that. Microsoft is very smart, the xbox division is making them tons of cash so I'm sure a lot of thought is going into how to best implement this without alienating the vast majority of their fan base.

I have dealt with quite a lot of people from those who are doing pretty well financially to those who are barely making ends meet, so maybe I'm crazy but who doesn't have the internet?...or more revelant who owns a xbox now and does not at least have internet? I mean speaking purely from my work experience along with my own personal experience over the last 2 years I honestly can't think of anybody I know of who does not have some sort of internet connection. I know that as of June 2012 about 80% of Americans were at least using the internet, plus most of xbox sales come for places like Europe/UK, Canada and Australia which have over 60% internet penetration. http://www.internetworldsta...
The better news is that the internet penentration percentage is much higher among those who actually own a gaming console. As for those who cant afford or don't live in areas where internet is NOT available well I doubt these gamers are really a big part of Microsofts plans for their next console, if you hate the idea of needing a internet connection just to play then just buy a ps4 and forget about xbox, I'm sure despite all of the "OMG this is the end for xbox", Microsoft's next console will still have huge sales and the games will be great for the rest of us.
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rainslacker  +   479d ago
@cosmo

1. Piracy will still be an issue. No amount of online DRM will prevent it. This move only affects the users which may purchase things legitimately, much like current DRM does.

2. True, but it's arrogant to assume that everyone has access to good reliable internet. I know living in a suburban or urban area, it may seem pretty ubiquitous, but move outside these areas and many people are still not on reliable services, if they even have access to it at all. Outside the US, it can be even worse, even in major cities.

3. Agreed, but that has nothing to do with an always on connection.

4. Developers already create games that are online only. It's required to be online to play, hence the consumer would hopefully know not to buy the game if they don't have online. In this case it's a choice, not a requirement. There is no reason to assume the games will be any better, as an internet connection is going to be guaranteed in all next gen consoles. The issue is does it need to be mandatory.

You think it's good for everyone, because you don't know all the circumstances that the consumer may have to deal with that may hinder their game playing habits as a result of a decision like this. Just because it doesn't seem like a big deal to you doesn't mean that you should ignore the many people who have given instances where it would be bad for them.

Used games are not even part of this debate, and while this move could block them, it isn't a reason to force an always on connection. There are other methods to block used games if the need were there. Even if it was the primary reason for this type of thing, it would only make piracy more appealing on the system, and believe me, something like this would likely get hacked quickly. At the very least some hacker community is going to find a way to screw up a lot of players by hacking MS just to make a point.

Does it still seem good for everyone now?
fr0sty  +   479d ago
A few potenial scenarios here:

1. MS is pushing this info out early, before the launch, so the fans will have a few weeks to vent out their frustrations before the console reveal takes place. That way the negative shock of people learning of the machine's always on DRM will be reduced, enabling them to focus on showcasing the games and all that without them being drowned out by negative press.

2. This guy just leaked out info he wasn't supposed to yet, and now MS is going into damage contol.

3. He's just full of crap.

I'd lean towards 3 if it weren't for the constant rumors from very credible sources agreeing with what he said.
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cosmoracer  +   479d ago
@rain

You make a good argument, but you missed my primary point- Product differentiation is a good thing. If the rumors are true, then Xbox will be a great product for people that have Internet and can afford to buy new games. That's good because it opens a market for another console to target people that don't have great Internet and can't afford new games. It's like the car market-, it wouldn't be good if every car was a four door sedan. Personally, I think it's bad that MS and Sony try to mimic each other so much. It's good to see MS try something different.
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rainslacker  +   479d ago
I didn't miss your point at all. Under your assumption, your saying that the competition isn't going to be targeting all those people that do have an online connection and buy new games as well. Your assuming that MS is going to have this market all to themselves.

Given Sony's announcement that is most obviously not going to be true, and even Nintendo has an online infrastructure. From a consumers standpoint, if they can get pretty much the same experience on another console without the restrictions(and believe me, a lot of consumers do understand what always-on means), then why would they pick up the one that limits their purchase?

Basically, my counter-argument is

Sony and Nintendo's system are both great for people that have internet and can afford to buy new games. This is not a way for MS to differentiate itself on the market in a positive way that is beneficial to consumers.

If other rumors are believed to be true, then it is their focus on media/casual/cable box integration which will differentiate it...much more positive, and not limiting to the consumer.
ziggurcat  +   479d ago
@ darthv72:

"but what was "said" wasnt really said. it was tweets that could have been by anybody."

except it's already been confirmed that it was a legit account, not a fake one.
DiRtY  +   479d ago
@ JoySticksFTW

"You can disagree all you want, but imagine pulling a comeback like that off in SF or any game and getting disconnected? Insane"

Well, the exact same thing happens with every multiplayer experience on every console. When the connection is lost, you won't keep on playing.

Yeah, if you play the offline multiplayer / splitscreen you don't have these problems, but only a handful of games offer these modes these days anyway.

I am not defending the online requirement here. It won't affect me, but I still dislike it.

But the point of discontinued multiplayer gameplay due to a lost connection is valid for every device that offers online gameplay.
Ritsujun  +   479d ago
Xdoomx. =/
JoySticksFTW  +   479d ago
@Dirty

Tell all of that to the games tournament communities.

Which console do you think will be used as the default tourny machine next gen for Madden, fighters, FPS, and such when one could lose internet connection and screw up outcomes between competitors sitting right next to each other under the same roof.

And it's not just multiplayer games that are potentially affected.

Heck, if I'm playing a single player game and I finally pass a boss that was giving me trouble (like f'n Flamelurker) or I'm about to beat the game and my internet craps out, I'd be like WTF?! Noooooo!! D:

And we all know what it's like to be unable to connect to servers for extended periods and for numerous reasons (Xbox Live holiday mess, infamous PSN hack, maintenance, hot game Day One login overload, shotty internet connection, etc).

All of that sucks for online games, but we are (were) always able to play single player games or local multiplayer.

That would change if Orth had his way.

Uh, Edit:

He might have been canned

http://4playernetwork.com/b...

I think MS PR and Legal ninjas might have gotten to him
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FamilyGuy  +   479d ago
JoySticksFTW

That gif ended all arguments for anyone claiming always-online (forced online) as being an okay thing.

One of the most epic moments in gaming... ruined.

"What does Adam Orth actually do at Microsoft?"

"Clean out his desk."

These guys are hilarious.
nukeitall  +   478d ago
I wonder what all the people here claiming it *must* be true since MS isn't responding and it later turns out to be false?!

I bet ya they are all going to scurry away to a different excuse and pretend like nothing ever happened.
JoySticksFTW  +   478d ago
@nueitall

"I wonder what all the people here claiming it *must* be true since MS isn't responding and it later turns out to be false?!

I bet ya they are all going to scurry away to a different excuse and pretend like nothing ever happened."

I for one will be relieved. The longer that we can hold off on stuff like this, the better for all gamers.

We all have our preferences, but I hope most Xbox, Sony, Ninty, PC gamers can agree with that.

With that uproar on Gaf, the sentiment later in the thread is they hope MS has heard their fears, are taking them seriously, and have learned that some people find this practice anti-consumer.

Most rational gamers aren't waiting to laugh. Most gamers are hoping this will change MS' course of action if always online truly was planned.
SockeyBoy  +   479d ago
*sigh* gaming is not what it used to be...
Gildarts  +   479d ago
Despite this guys comments on twitter, I do not believe he was talking directly about the Next Xbox. He was probably talking about the idea of an Always on console.

Microsoft is seeing all the massive uproars the rumors and now this has caused.Even if they had this originally planned, They will not go through with it NEVER. So if i were you i would leave the "This confirms always online Xbox 720" comments at home.

If they do go through with this after all this negativity.. I will buy a fucking PS4 and i will show you the receipt. -Loyal Microsoft Fan.
JokesOnYou  +   479d ago
@ cosmoracer
I agree, but I don't think you will need a constant internet connection to game on the next xbox. You would think a company with a brand as successful as xbox has done some major research in regards to what percentage of current and potential xbox owners have internet available if they are going to require it. Given all the different internet variables such as speed, bandwidth, and drops/reliability depending on the service; logic says they will likely want users to have internet connectivity available at least to login for some sort of DRM purposes. Its funny because all the complaining is coming from folks who obviously have internet, like most xbox owners now, Microsoft knows this, but people just like to complain especially when they have an agenda.
iistuii  +   479d ago
Spot on. I also don't know anybody who doesn't have the internet & if it goes down, which mine has never done here in the UK in the last 5 years, do something else till its back on. I'm always on now on both consoles & pc, when I turn on the first thing I do is to check my friends lists so it makes absolutely no difference to me. People need to get a grip.
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kenshiro100  +   478d ago
I really wish that people would stop saying that Microsoft planned to remain silent. I'm sorry but if someone was spreading 'false' rumors that could damage my credibility and the credibility of my company, I would have to speak up.
imdaboss1  +   478d ago
i guess xbox fans have to move to another city state or country to play the xbox720
andrewsqual  +   478d ago
@cosmoracer What a complete fool. Your reasons are backed up by absolutely nothing. Microsoft already make millions more revenue than Sony through charging for basic online play and basic access to your already paid for Netflix account.

Yet does Xbox Live have a 255 Player online shooter???
Was the reason that the Xbox version of Portal 2 not coming with a free PC copy and cross play/saves/trophies with the PC version too all because of Xbox Live itself???
Did Microsoft close down more game studios than set up more in the last 6 years?
Does Xbox Live have a vast Free to Play MMO on it such as DC Universe Online?
And the answer to all these is, no. Not because of choice though, it is because NONE OF THESE ARE POSSIBLE on Xbox Live.
The real massive blow will be if Valve and Sony shake hands at their E3 Press Conference with Steam coming to PS4 in some shape or form (even with this new Steam console coming but let's face it, this was all because of Windows 8, also made by the people at the heart of this whole discussion).

Oh but because a few people hacked the 360 that is why none of this was possible on the console and the next console with its online only will fix all this because of more profit??? Poor deluded fool.
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coolbeans  +   479d ago
May Orth's employment be RROD'd.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X...
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optimus  +   479d ago
Evidently it was...
http://www.microsoft-career...
come_at_me_bro  +   479d ago
Anyone get the feeling that this whole "always online" thing is just a rumor Microsoft has started only to debunk with their announcement, acting as if they always had "hardcore" interests at heart?
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Ashlen  +   479d ago
No
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coolbeans  +   479d ago
I have a sneaking feeling of that as well.
It feels like an easy way to generate publicity about the console without "officially" stating anything.
LOGICWINS  +   479d ago
Correct.
Ashlen  +   479d ago
Remember Fords campaign for the Focus in the 90's? The one where they just showed 30 seconds of the most brutal Ford car crashes with red text across the screen that said "Fatality!"?

No, me neither.
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kneon  +   479d ago
Getting potential customers pissed at you it not a good marketing strategy. Even if they decide not to go through with the always-on requirement the damage will have been done.
coolbeans  +   479d ago
@Ashlen

I'm not following.

@kneon

Like I said, it's just a hunch. And what possible damage can be maintained from this IF what Orthi hints towards is indeed false? A bunch of wasted vitriol against MS over what a non-official spokesperson of the 720 project stated on twitter, that never specifically stated it was always-on, can now be used as a reason for potential customers to not purchase a gaming console...that has yet to be officially announced?
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Objective  +   479d ago
Kneon, pray tell how damage is done if the subsequent Xbox announcement shows the rumor to be untrue? How will MS lose their fanbase when that happens?
rainslacker  +   479d ago
Among MS loyal fan base, there won't be any damage because quite honestly, this is the most level headed I've seen them be in years. They're taking a wait and see approach, much like many that prefer Sony did with the blocking of used games rumor.

The damage comes in that this whole thing is going viral. It's gone from some rumors discussed among the forums, to a huge melodrama of what if's and spurious confirmations. To make matters worse it is starting to approach the mainstream press, and it's quite possible it could make major news within the next couple days.

This will undoubtedly stick around for a while, even if the actual rumor turns out to be false. A retraction in the future will not receive the same amount of press as the actual rumor has, because it's not inflammatory enough to make the media do much with it. It's like seeing a front page headline that is completely false, but then the retraction goes onto a small snippet on page 5B.

Among people who don't keep up with this(ie the majority of consumers), it will forever be in their mind, and requires a lot of marketing in order to overcome. Marketing that could be better spent elsewhere.
coolbeans  +   479d ago
@rainslacker

The whole problem with the "retraction on 5B" angle is the fact it's aimed to be expunged at E3, the biggest time for gaming news in the whole year. All major gaming news outlets will be covering MS' details of the console minute-to-minute; even one or two non-gaming focused news networks will be there.

To say these inflammatory post-Orth rumors will sustain a greater sway in one's purchasing power over say...hearing the actual facts about the console just seems bunkum to me.
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rainslacker  +   478d ago
That's why I qualified my statement to say people that don't keep up with this stuff. E3 doesn't really make the mainstream news in such a way that it is really effective to the common consumer. To those that follow all this news we will know what's up.

My point was, if this hits the mainstream news outlets, they will talk about it, and consumers will make a decision on it regardless of merit. The news media today does not wait around for confirmations when they have a juicy story that can get people riled up.

It may be proven false in the future, and some news outlets may indeed retract what they report, but don't expect them to make a big deal about it compared to the original so it gets back to the consumer in a meaningful way. If it is untrue, it just isn't exciting enough to really spend much time on it for most news outlets.

My scenario is of course speculation, and this may not hit the mainstream, but it seems that it's already getting to the lower levels of mainstream, and that usually means it's only a matter of time before the bigger companies pick it up.

Basically my point wasn't that it wasn't going to be retracted, it just won't be retracted in a meaningful way, and would be about as effective as a 5B snippet.

Also, given how upset people are over it, there's no reason to assume that the common consumer wouldn't get upset as well. It's always been vogue to hate on MS, and this could carry the story longer than it should be...again, just speculation.
coolbeans  +   478d ago
@rainslacker
But your points aren't really grounded on things we've seen in the past. There's never been a case of some irrelevant rumor never mentioning the console by name getting any sort of time outside of gaming news outlets. Rumors with a source MS has officially denounced don't carry any weight for mainstream news outlets to even care about; in fact, your downplaying attitude of mainstream's covering of what's shown at the E3 event shows just how far beyond the possibility of this even being something beyond a passing instance for mainstream news to cover this twitter fiasco.

Beyond what the consumer knows about the product from ONLY mainstream outlets's info, what about the description of its capabilities available for anyone interested to purchase online or at a store? Everything is printed right there for them to know that passing rumor X months back was just BS all along.

Although I respect your speculative thinking, I can't respect the notions so many on here are speculating. The only reason I can possibly think some people believe this twitter mistake will have some detrimental butterfly effect to any consumer's choice is because of replaying these Orth internet memes a thousand times over.
rainslacker  +   478d ago
I understand what your getting at. And I don't necessarily disagree. But I've seen much more made out of much less in the mainstream media.

The mainstream media will take any issue that is hot button and expand on it. If it causes enough outcry among their audience, then they will talk about it more, and other mainstream media outlets will join in(not unlike how a hot button article makes the rounds within the gaming press). Basically it has a snowball effect.

Truthfully if it got that far, most major outlets probably would ask for a comment, and at that point MS would likely be forced to comment because they don't want that snowball effect before the console is even announced. MS knows that we will educate ourselves as gamers(more or less), so it's relatively contained for the time being. That isn't the case with the major news outlets though. When people start talking, it's hard to shut them up.

Also, why would someone read the box in the store if they already made up their mind to not get the system because of this rumor. And that's my exact point. People will make up their minds before MS ever has the chance to market to them. It's negative press in the worst possible scenario, because now, not only do they have to inform consumers about the product, they have to market to remove the negative perception that it already has.

This is one reason MS has such a hard time with their Windows phone OS. The OS is quite good, in fact better than Apples, and on par with Google. But people generally have a negative view of Windows, so despite those that have no problem with windows, the stigma exists among the consumer.

We've already seen a butterfly effect to these tweets. Basically even Xbox loyalist are saying they will abandon the console if true. They're being reasonable enough to wait and see(props to them for that), but the steam train is rolling, and it's only going to continue until something comes out to change the rumor. If it continues long enough, it has the potential to get to a much larger audience, and then MS will potentially have a serious problem, regardless of the validity of the rumor.
coolbeans  +   477d ago
@rainslacker
Sure, mainstream has made bigger issues of other rumors, but never given any dedicated time over a non-official twitter rumor relating to a rumored console.

The thing is though, the snowball effect from this has already reached the all gaming news segments and MS has officially stated Orth isn't under the new console's production. It's one thing to cherry-pick moments of mainstream news not waiting for double confirmations, it's entirely something else to stretch a denounced twitter rambling of a unannounced product and talk about it to the general public.

Let's say that ludicrous event happens above, who are we to stipulate that an always-on online console rumor will have such a long-lasting effect to the general public that they'll even bother examining what the console OFFICIALLY does when it's released? Dozens of op-ed tech pieces will be made comparing/contrasting each new console around their release with facts given by the company and from testing it out. To suggest some sort of dark cloud of hesitation will be looming over the public's head over a possibly-to-be-disproven rumor seems just as stretched as anticipating this getting any primetime coverage on mainstream media.

I don't see how stigma of MS' products really correlates directly with what we're talking about. That disinclination to purchase MS products has been cemented by problems they've personally experienced. If anything, it's more reasonable to discuss who might leave the 720 for PS4 over RROD issues than this.
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BitbyDeath  +   479d ago
Still doesn't make them look good either way now.
The damage is done.
LOGICWINS  +   479d ago
What "damage" has been done exactly? We still don't know if this always on 720 is true or not. And even if it was, you think Microsoft doesn't have the ability to make this an optional feature come E3 time if they desired to do so?
BitbyDeath  +   479d ago
Reputation
LOGICWINS  +   479d ago
I have a mission for you. Go to your local Gamestop/Bestbuy/Target tomorrow. Ask customers and employees who Adam Orth is. You'll realize my point when you see all those confused faces.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   479d ago | Well said
@ Logic

I have a better mission for you... open a new tab on your browser and go to google.com, then type "xbox 720" and you'll notice the first results are all about "Always connected, and controversy".

Nobody gives a sh!T about Adam Orth, the only purpose he serves is that now people can directly link the rumor back to an actual person who works for MS....and that's the "damage" that's been done.
LOGICWINS  +   479d ago
Oh yeah...OH YEAH!

well....

....

Alright, I'm not going to argue against that because your right.
kenshiro100  +   478d ago
...Yeah, I don't think so.

That would be incredibly foolish of them to do something like that.
Rusty515  +   479d ago
...And they still don't deny it'll have this feature.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   479d ago
On a console they have yet to announce.
Rusty515  +   479d ago
touche...
Redempteur  +   478d ago
everybody knows the console is coming.
There is like no reason to not put water of the fire but they let the fire spread and do damage.

Their choice
Sony commented on DRM and always online before they even annonced or showed the PS4 games or features.
TheDigitalSmoke   479d ago | Spam
Number-Nine  +   479d ago
what was said

"tip your cap and call sony my daddy"
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ame22  +   479d ago
Doesn't change the truth.
M2-  +   479d ago
Which is what exactly?
Angainor7  +   479d ago
the truth he wanna hear
RememberThe357  +   479d ago
That MS plans to have the Xbox require an internet connection to play games.

That wasn't an abstract statement, and with all these comments, you should have been able to put it together.

@below: You can keep your head in the sand as long as you want. But tell me, why would a MS employee defend something that didn't exist? You honestly can't be this dense.
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M2-  +   479d ago
@RememberThe357

What?

In order for something to be true it has to be fact. Rumors are not fact until proven otherwise.

edit:
Sorry for not jumping on the bandwagon so quickly, unlike most I don't treat rumors as fact whether good or bad.

"Always on" does exist, it has existed for sometime and is even present in games that have already been released...

Maybe he's defending SimCity? Maybe he's defending "always on" because the rumors are true about the next Xbox? Maybe he was being sarcastic? Maybe he was just tolling his developer friend? maybe + maybe + maybe != fact.

Why don't we just wait and see?
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Gamer-40  +   479d ago | Funny
Ok, this awesome:-D

"..Sorry, I couldn’t tweet earlier about @adam_orth’s comments about the XBOX always online rumors. My internet connection was down.."

Kaz Hirai.

https://twitter.com/KazHira...
Minato-Namikaze  +   479d ago
Lmfao,
ame22  +   479d ago
Pawned
ApolloTheBoss  +   479d ago
Pure definition of BOSS.
ZoyosJD  +   479d ago
That's actually a fake account...

Still funny though.
kenshiro100  +   478d ago
Lmfao.
Angainor7  +   479d ago
For Christ's sake there is no official confirmation of the 'always on' on the xbox 720. Why the f**k don't you wait until they unveil the damn thing? As for Orth, employee or not, active or not, spokesperson or not, he should be fired. you can't accuse people for slow or no internet even if you don't mean it. they paid you idiot..
_-EDMIX-_  +   479d ago
"wait til its confirmed" = "god don't let it be true"

"Offical statment" along with ZERO opioion regarding the matter = "I'll flip when its confirmed"

I'm sorry but to not have an opioion on the matter and just state "ZOMG NO OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION" etc, is pretty much just saying you fear whats going to happen and don't like MS getting ragged on.

...did we need Sony to confirm what Vgleaks and Edge have been telling us about the PS4 for months? LOL! Mind you they are the same sources leaking out 720 and they got PS4 specs 100% on point. Is it JUST so damn hard to believe the leaks are from a 3rd party developer that has INDEED worked on BOTH systems? LOL! Cause they are "confirmed" sources telling use this. I know so because the PS4 reveal was 100% in line with what Edge has been saying.

How is this any different?
cosmoracer  +   479d ago
This site is for gaming enthusiast. We like to speculate, anticipate the future and opine about it. People like to talk about their feelings about things. Relax man.
Software_Lover  +   479d ago
Gaiki will require an always on connection.

Devils advocate. Just saying.

I'm not getting either console in the first year either way so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. A rumor is a rumor until Microsoft announces anything at E3.

sidenote:yes I know gaiki is an optional service and has nothing to do with retail purchased BD games. I also hate the DRM that Microsoft has now when it comes to the Arcade games. It pisses me off.
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KwietStorm  +   479d ago
That's like saying Netflix requires an internet connection. It's not about being optional. Gaikai is 100% streaming. Not the same thing.
edonus  +   479d ago
We don't know that because nothing has been announced.
They could be absolutely the same thing. There is nothing to say they are not.

Basically wait for the announcement.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   479d ago
Gaiki isn't a necessity, however.
RememberThe357  +   479d ago
I like the devils advocate angle as well. People either get fired up or they explain their position. Either way I'm entertained or educated; win-win.

In this case I will do my best to explain my position:
There is no good reason from the consumer side to accept always on-line. Yes my cell phone is always connected to a network, but that's it's purpose. And yes Netflix and the like require an internet connection, but that's their purpose too. When we're talking about games on a disc there is no reason to accept being required to be online, it's not necessary. Streaming services require connections because their necessary to deliver the consent, but that's not the case here. It looks like MS is just forcing this for their own benefit, not for us. I expect them to try to spin this to make it look good when they finally reveal the next Xbox, but I'm not going to except this. DRM needs to be on their side not ours.
Chuck_Norris   479d ago | Spam
sway_z  +   479d ago
If, and especially after the flack 'Always Online' is getting, Microsoft still roll out nextbox with the always online requirement, then Microsoft truly have no place in the gaming industry. Simply for the lack of respect and ignorance shown to their loyal fan base.

...It will truly be the royal kick in the nuts!

*Whom ever disagreed with me either misunderstood my comment or is an advocate of 'always online' ...whadda schmuck!
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BDG  +   479d ago | Funny
I officially rename the xbox720 as xbox365-24/7
greenmeanie  +   479d ago
The fact that they won't comment, only validates the claim! I am so bummed! I truly was hoping this was a rumor, and I will not be buying Xbox. RIP Xbox 2001-2013. The way this guy came out insulting everyone yesterday, is the exact reason why I don't care for Sony and their playstation. I have never owned a playstation, and now I won't be owning the next Xbox, so I guess I am going to find another way to game this next gen.
Dlacy13g  +   479d ago
Really? They wont comment on something that they havent had their official launch release conference for so that means its validated? **shakes head** I wish people would stop and take a breath and realize there is nothing to freak out about yet. If they officially say "its online all the time, DRM, doom, doom" then fine scream your head off but the reality is right now nobody knows anything about how this all actually works.

I agree with you that the guy insulting everyone is a total Dbag, not too mention one of the stupidest people on the planet. How did he not think his comments would come back and bite him in the ass and more importantly hurt the company that gives him a paycheck?
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ceedubya9  +   479d ago
They can't really comment on something that technically doesn't exist. Yeah, we all know its coming, but they haven't officially announced it yet. All answers will be provided once the thing is actually announced.
cyguration  +   478d ago
Sony DID comment on the false rumors before the announcement.

A year ago they shot down the rumors about the PS4 banning used games and then after the announcement they further confirmed that the PS4 WOULD NOT ban used games:

(From May 2012)
http://www.thatvideogameblo...

(From February 2013)
http://www.cinemablend.com/...
JeffGUNZ   479d ago | Personal attack | show | Replies(1)
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cell989  +   479d ago
meanwhile at Microsoft HQ-- All hell just broke loose
Dlacy13g  +   479d ago
lol...you gotta admit it would have been awesome being a fly on the wall.

First few tweets go out...

Adam Orth feels all justified with his tweets

More tweets....

Adam is feeling righteous!

Meanwhile at MS HQ word gets out someone is being a Dbag on Twitter form MS.

MS Management...who the f*ck? What the hell?

Adam now starting to see the shit storm he started... feeling less righteous... now paranoid

Adams phone rings... it explodes with words he has never imagined...it ends with something about termination

Adams twitter goes private....Adam stares at his screen ghostly white...

Adam gets email..."HR would like to speak to you"
Gamer-Z  +   479d ago
still MS won't come out and deny it
JeffGUNZ  +   479d ago
Deny what? MS hasn't acknowledged a next gen. console. So really, what do you expect them to deny? That is the same response they have given since day one back in 2001. It's their policy, it's not going to change so a handful of fanboys on N4G.com can shut up.
Foxhound922  +   479d ago
Hey Jeff bro, I think you are failing to realize the magnitude of the situation here. This game directors comments are about a day old now and the entire inherent gaming community is up in flames. Also you are forgetting how fast word of mouth travels, and how effective it is at swaying opinions. Ms doesn't need to deny the rumor, and pr team with more than a day of experience knows that all they would have to do is say "microsoft does not endorse the comments made by Orth, we will keep you updated as soon as possible. That way they can discard his rude comments all while not confirming or denying the rumors or even that a next generation console exists. It's pretty obvious at this point that ms although didn't agree with his snide comments, aren't denying anything regarding the aforementioned rumour.
JeffGUNZ  +   479d ago
@ Foxhound.

It's really the same thing, no? By MS saying that guy is not their spokesmen and they don't comment on rumors, can be taken that way. It's all a matter of interpretation. That seems to be the issue here. I am not saying the nextbox will be this way or not, but at this point we know nothing that has been confirmed. I know we are all eager, which leads people to believe rumors, but I think we should owe it to anyone to at least let them reveal and explain what they have. If it's bad, so be it, but for now, we have no solid facts.
dark_101  +   479d ago
I don't know if the whole thing is "trolling" or "true facts" about the new XBox..

But if MS is planning to get gamers attention before announcing the next XBox..

It's working soo bad !!
silverbeld  +   479d ago
Wow a lot of xbox fans are commenting lately on N4G now.

Welcome back guys cause this Microsoft road map is not good thing to hear.

Damage control! Lol
_-EDMIX-_  +   479d ago
Same source has been proven cause they leaked out PS4 specs 100%...........must be a rumor. LOL!
iuxcjhtweyu   479d ago | Spam
GABRIEL1030  +   479d ago
Maybe the 720 will not block the second hand games and neither will require internet permanent connection, but the damage is done, the stupids comentaries of the fool Adam Orth are very bad publicity.
Citizen_King  +   479d ago
Makes me wonder why Adam even brought up it up in the first place. Since the next Xbox being always online is just a rumor at this point he could of just not let the subject slide.

It would be like a creative director from Sony talking about banning used games right after the Blu-ray patent first appeared.
JoySticksFTW  +   479d ago
Indeed

His timing (and attitude) was atrocious

Now it seems he might have been fired

Read the last update:

http://4playernetwork.com/b...
Gaming_Guru  +   479d ago
I would not be surprised if the employee was actually defending a business model than voicing an opinion. People are paying for Xbox Live while everyone else isn't paying for the same thing, and I have been thinking that way before PlayStation Plus.

Yes currently Xbox Live social features are unified than the current PSN, but all that changes with the PS4. In the end, as long as Microsoft makes people think their business model has more value, there will always be money coming in even if it isn't.
Master of Unlocking  +   479d ago
So Always-on DRM is true then, since no denial is an implicit confirmation.

Now only a handful of hardcore xbugs will buy that thing and the next-gen systems war is over before it even started. Well done Microsoft, really, well done! :D
sephx22  +   479d ago
Oh yeah this E3 is gonna be something to remember.
ATi_Elite  +   478d ago
24/7/365 Internet connection is the Future
Stop CRYING about always online/online DRM

24/7/365 Internet is the wave of the future, my PC's are always on, always connected to the Internet so it's NO BIG DEAL.

If you got crappy Internet then I would worry about that first before buying a $500 box game box.

if you live way out in NO REST STOP areas or Bum F Egypt and don't have the Internet then you may wanna move to civilization or just buy new tires for your quad.

MS has done the research and they feel they can make a huge profit marketing to those of us with great Internet service.

With the amount of MMO's that I play having a SP game connected to the Internet is nothing.

ALSO being connected to the server will allow Devs to receive lots and lots of Bug data that can be fixed faster.
-Gespenst-  +   478d ago
Er, a lot of people can't afford to pump money into an internet subscription with the bandwidth limits required to have an always online console.

What you're saying is like calling a homeless person stupid for not having a home or going out and looking for one.

If they implement this they're alienating their less well-off customers- pretending they don't exist even, all just for the sake of stabilizing and controlling their console to a fascist degree.
ATi_Elite  +   478d ago
Well that's the Crappy Console life you chose so just deal with it.

You have choices or illusions of choice until Sony does the same thing somehow.

Just get a gaming PC and be done with CRAP.
SITH  +   478d ago
I am going to wait for the official word on this always on deal, but it looks like I am going all PC soon.
urwifeminder  +   478d ago
As long as it doesnt have sony written on the box ill try anything.
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fr3d0  +   478d ago
Anything, meaning:

-Proven hardware inferiority with 54.2% console failure rate.
-No offline-gaming.
-Forced pay to play online.
-Inferior specs (gddr3 lol).

That would make you a moron.
-Gespenst-  +   478d ago
Anything? You should try this then:

http://www.nocleansinging.c...
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ylwzx3  +   478d ago
They can screw themselves.. I won't be buying a console with always on required period. Anyone that supports this is a flat out moron and you are the reason why gaming is so screwed up.
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