48 Million Xbox Live subscribers are already connected to a potentially always online service.
While I am online the majority of the time, there's occassions where ISP's screw you over and have errors, as well as LIVE's own occassional hiccups. Always-on for DRM/digital content might be fine, I expect to be able to plonk my game discs in and play offline though.
Do they even realize that not everyone has a stable internet connection? I live in paraguay and even though I can play online games it is not always that I have a stable internet connection.
discs are rumored to be used only for game installations and useless after that
If 46 million people were online all at the same time. The server would already crashed.
Sure, but you are the minority now. Time to adapt, not the other way around. Sorry.
the minority? I bet you are American who has no idea how the outside world functions. Theres a difference between having a fast internet connection and a stable internet connection. Most people dont have stable internet connections.
@Thatlalala - What do you expect him to do? Dig the roads and plant his own telephone cables? How narrow-minded can you be? There are plenty of people in the world tat don't have stable internet connections. They are NOT the minority, in fact it's more likely that they are the majority. Hell, I live in UK, and some times our internet goes down as well. There is no such ting as a bullet-proof internet service, because they always go down at some point.
Let me tell you my situation. I live in a place where I have a very good internet connection. But every weekend, I go to my family house in a more rural area. They dont have internet there. However, I take my Xbox or PS3 to play somes games with my family. Mainly Buzz, PES/Fifa or some racing games offline. With this always ON crap I wont buy the nextbox because I wont be able to enjoy it there. Even in the city, my ISP sometimes has downtime due to maintance or other factors. Hell, I have Diablo 3 on PC, and believe me, it is not good to have a always ON game. Specially if you loose progress on a certain dificcult area of the game and your internet gets a lag spike.
@Xaphy Brazil. Same situation.
This is not just exclusive to places like that either. There are places throughout Canada and the United States (surely the UK has the same problem) that are much smaller and have some of the worst internet I've ever seen, yet people still play lots of video games there. I pretty much have my PS3 (WiiU atm) with me where ever I go for work, and more often than not the internet is horrible and can't hold a stable connection, yet alone run a proper Youtube video at 720p. Internet is NOT mandatory to play video games, and it shouldn't start being mandatory.
@DMD Im living in ciudad del este at the borders. I spend half my time in Brasil as well.
always online in regards to actually playing a game online (aka multiplayer) and verifying legitimacy of a game (aka key checking). If their system does a check to verify the game (which can take a few seconds) then is that so bad? I know people will find fault in that thought process but it doesnt mean you are maintaining an internet connection from that verification process on. F-it...im getting the next box no matter what because I like gaming too much to up and quit. Its an addiction for me, a fever. And the only thing that can cure me is more cow bell.
@Thatlalala You're retarded, i know a lot of people who have xbox's that don't have internet access and i live in downtown SD California, they rather just use their phones to access their social media or they just don't care about online gaming thus have no need to pay for a isp. I even have a friend who has never updated his xbox so he still uses the old 360 dashboard ^_^
@Xaphy - Pay no mind to Thatlalala, his comment was one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. You and everyone else have every right to play games offline. You shouldn't NEED to have a stable connection to play games. That is simply ridiculous and unfair to those that don't have them.
No need to bring up what piece of dirt he happened to take his first breath on. Theres ignorant people across the globe, not just america. Would if i said the only thing people in paraguay can comprehend is a soccer ball? Would that be a correct assumption or a blind hateful stab at your people?
Thats exactly what M$ looks at. last time i checked they sold how many?? 70+ Million. so thats about half of there users right? in the words of the now infamous Francis SCREW THEM right? of those 46 million how many have intermittent disconnections occur, hard to tell right well let me enlighten you most of those users don't have 100% connections even live is not online 100% of the time so what are they supposed to do with there consoles when they have internment issues and want to play?? use it as a footbal??
Do you really think that a company that sold over 70 million units of their prior iteration would say "You know, let's only market to half of our previous customer base"? Really? You think they said "Screw them, we don't need their business"? Really, that's what you think? OK... I'm not sure what the Always On/Block Used Game component really means (if it exists). But I do know that it would be commercial suicide for one company to implement a plan like this while the other does not. Do you know who else knows this? Microsoft and Sony.
stiggs @ sengoku Do you really think that a company that sold over 70 million units of their prior iteration would say "You know, let's only market to half of our previous customer base"? Really? You think they said "Screw them, we don't need their business"? Really, that's what you think? OK... Actually microsoft has already answered that question for u. While those 46 million people are paying for xbl the rest are left out to dry & cant experience the full potential of their games because they dont want to pay extra for something that should be free so basically, "Yes" microsoft is screwing the rest of the fanbase. Edit: Actually all of the fanbase is screwed because even the ones who payed had to pay lol.
I think you (and it seems like a lot of others) misunderstand my point. The "screw the customer" is not the relevant point. I am saying that MS would only be hurting themselves if they were the only company to insist on "always on/block used games". Why would they do that if there is nothing to gain and everything to lose? I'm guessing that they wouldn't and it's not out of the goodness of their hearts. People please THINK. A company like MS is not going to say "screw them" and intentionally cut out half of their user base unless that action benefits them in some way. If they do move forward in this direction (and Sony does not) then I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. I just can't envision that scenario coming to fruition.
@clintos59 Look there not stupid right?? well then riddle me this.. why are we still talking about this?? it's been leaked by many sources for a very long time and it doesn't die, new sources keep popping up every week. The creative director currently working at M$ probably on x720 is trying to defend this feature. what could this be? IT'S DRM... A.k.A. always online M$ have not been able to get a solid DRM on the system, the console gets out the door and it's hacked on the way to the store. The only way for M$ to get a lid on pirating is to have always online DRM it's about the MONEY. why do you get a Dorito add every time you login while you pay for a monthly sub? IT's About MONEY, and yes if they can make more MONEY from 40 million user because they add more Doritos and have better DRM and force KINECT 2.0 To Count heads so you pay per person watching netflix or playing games, then thats what they will do. It's all about money.. they even have you pay live subs for 2,3 accounts on the same console why?? they don't care. M$ doesn't make money on the consoles, the thing is sold at a loss. the amount of repairs they had to pay for because of rrod issue made it even worse.. they want the real money and that, my friend is in the contend, subs and DRM A.k.A. always online
"It's about money." Well, thank you for the succinct explanation of a successful business model in a capitalist society, Mr. Buffet. Do you mean to tell me that the primary concern of a major corporation like Microsoft is money? No, really...are you sure? You do know that you are essentially agreeing with me. As I said "MS is not going to eliminate half of their customer base" because it will affect their bottom line. The only reason for MS to implement the online/DRM system is if it somehow generates more income. I really can't see how that is possible. As you so simply put it, "it's about money". Just as it is with EVERY business entity. Unless you think that other companies, let's say Sony for example, are exempt from this "appalling" desire to turn a profit. Not those guys...never...they're your friends. They care about you. Right?
Around 30% of Xbox consoles sold have never been connected. That was from Microsoft themselves. So it isn't half, but quite a big percentage nevertheless. However, don't forget not all of that 30% will be scenarios where it isn't possible to connect the Xbox to Xbox LIVE. So for example a console in a childs bedroom would likely have no need to go online, so the parent would not set up Xbox LIVE on the console.
but if for whatever reason I choose to disconnect from PSN or Live I'll still be able to play SP campaigns, right?
I play a lot of fighting games. So if I can't practice offline, then I don't see me ever buying the next Xbox if this is true.
Being an Xbox live member does not denote a person who is always on or plays the majority of their games online. Many of these people could have it for the sole purpose of using Netflix and similar services. It doesn't mean that they are always online or that they are okay with a game that will require an Internet connection to play offline.
Im not paying someone else to use a service im already paying for, especially when said service can be used on so many other devices for FREE. i have a 360 but i refuse to be robbed out of my own money for something that should be FREE.
The important thing here is, at the moment, XBOX gamers have an option, whether they will have one tomorrow is a different story. The question is, do XBOX gamers mind not having an option?
You can't ask that question yet. MS haven't told them what to think yet ;)
Nope. Just cause I have an xbox account doesn't mean it's online every time I game. In fact, its offline most of the time. Count me as a no, Microsoft. No thank you!
Once the MS knows that every customer has an always on connection, the temptation to throw in or sell advertising or draw stats from users to use to sell to the advertisers must also become a reality?
The people asking what will happen when my internet is down...dont you think that MS has already asked the same question and has a way to avoid this.
No, I don't think they have. I think they don't give a damn. Don't know what would make you believe otherwise, if they were considering this in the first place.
well i live in Colombia and i always on, i have a good 4mb internet connection and only a few times go down....but i want to play all the time even without internet
I highly doubt that Microsoft is going to introduce an "always on" type functionality for their next console that will be implemented in such a way that unless you have a active internet connection throughout gameplay that you will NOT be able to play a game you've already paid for. Sure you may need a internet connection as some sort of sign in/DRM but I don't think it will be anymore than that. Microsoft is very smart, the xbox division is making them tons of cash so I'm sure a lot of thought is going into how to best implement this without alienating the vast majority of their fan base. I have dealt with quite a lot of people from those who are doing pretty well financially to those who are barely making ends meet, so maybe I'm crazy but who doesn't have the internet?...or more revelant who owns a xbox now and does not at least have internet? I mean speaking purely from my work experience along with my own personal experience over the last 2 years I honestly can't think of anybody I know of who does not have some sort of internet connection. I know that as of June 2012 about 80% of Americans were at least using the internet, plus most of xbox sales come for places like Europe/UK, Canada and Australia which have over 60% internet penetration. http://www.internetworldsta... The better news is that the internet penentration percentage is much higher among those who actually own a gaming console. As for those who cant afford or don't live in areas where internet is NOT available well I doubt these gamers are really a big part of Microsofts plans for their next console, if you hate the idea of needing a internet connection just to play then just buy a ps4 and forget about xbox, I'm sure despite all of the "OMG this is the end for xbox", Microsoft's next console will still have huge sales and the games will be great for the rest of us.