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Submitted by bunt-custardly 380d ago | opinion piece

46 million gamers potentially already use an always on Xbox

48 Million Xbox Live subscribers are already connected to a potentially always online service. (PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox LIVE, Xbox One)

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ShadesMoolah  +   380d ago
While I am online the majority of the time, there's occassions where ISP's screw you over and have errors, as well as LIVE's own occassional hiccups. Always-on for DRM/digital content might be fine, I expect to be able to plonk my game discs in and play offline though.
Xaphy  +   380d ago
Do they even realize that not everyone has a stable internet connection? I live in paraguay and even though I can play online games it is not always that I have a stable internet connection.
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vet_medic  +   380d ago
discs are rumored to be used only for game installations and useless after that
bakasora  +   380d ago
If 46 million people were online all at the same time. The server would already crashed.
Thatlalala  +   380d ago
Sure, but you are the minority now. Time to adapt, not the other way around. Sorry.
Xaphy  +   380d ago
the minority? I bet you are American who has no idea how the outside world functions. Theres a difference between having a fast internet connection and a stable internet connection. Most people dont have stable internet connections.
gaffyh  +   380d ago
@Thatlalala - What do you expect him to do? Dig the roads and plant his own telephone cables?

How narrow-minded can you be? There are plenty of people in the world tat don't have stable internet connections. They are NOT the minority, in fact it's more likely that they are the majority. Hell, I live in UK, and some times our internet goes down as well. There is no such ting as a bullet-proof internet service, because they always go down at some point.
GrieverSoul  +   379d ago
Let me tell you my situation.
I live in a place where I have a very good internet connection. But every weekend, I go to my family house in a more rural area. They dont have internet there. However, I take my Xbox or PS3 to play somes games with my family. Mainly Buzz, PES/Fifa or some racing games offline.

With this always ON crap I wont buy the nextbox because I wont be able to enjoy it there.

Even in the city, my ISP sometimes has downtime due to maintance or other factors.
Hell, I have Diablo 3 on PC, and believe me, it is not good to have a always ON game. Specially if you loose progress on a certain dificcult area of the game and your internet gets a lag spike.
Dmd  +   379d ago
@Xaphy
Brazil. Same situation.
TronEOL  +   379d ago
This is not just exclusive to places like that either. There are places throughout Canada and the United States (surely the UK has the same problem) that are much smaller and have some of the worst internet I've ever seen, yet people still play lots of video games there.

I pretty much have my PS3 (WiiU atm) with me where ever I go for work, and more often than not the internet is horrible and can't hold a stable connection, yet alone run a proper Youtube video at 720p.

Internet is NOT mandatory to play video games, and it shouldn't start being mandatory.
Xaphy  +   379d ago
@DMD Im living in ciudad del este at the borders. I spend half my time in Brasil as well.
darthv72  +   379d ago
there is a difference between
always online in regards to actually playing a game online (aka multiplayer) and verifying legitimacy of a game (aka key checking).

If their system does a check to verify the game (which can take a few seconds) then is that so bad?

I know people will find fault in that thought process but it doesnt mean you are maintaining an internet connection from that verification process on.

F-it...im getting the next box no matter what because I like gaming too much to up and quit. Its an addiction for me, a fever. And the only thing that can cure me is more cow bell.
Gamer-Z  +   379d ago
@Thatlalala

You're retarded, i know a lot of people who have xbox's that don't have internet access and i live in downtown SD California, they rather just use their phones to access their social media or they just don't care about online gaming thus have no need to pay for a isp. I even have a friend who has never updated his xbox so he still uses the old 360 dashboard ^_^
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Snookies12  +   379d ago
@Xaphy - Pay no mind to Thatlalala, his comment was one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. You and everyone else have every right to play games offline. You shouldn't NEED to have a stable connection to play games. That is simply ridiculous and unfair to those that don't have them.
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NeoTribe  +   379d ago
No need to bring up what piece of dirt he happened to take his first breath on. Theres ignorant people across the globe, not just america. Would if i said the only thing people in paraguay can comprehend is a soccer ball? Would that be a correct assumption or a blind hateful stab at your people?
sengoku  +   380d ago
Thats exactly what M$ looks at.
last time i checked they sold how many?? 70+ Million.
so thats about half of there users right?
in the words of the now infamous Francis SCREW THEM right?

of those 46 million how many have intermittent disconnections occur, hard to tell right well let me enlighten you most of those users don't have 100% connections even live is not online 100% of the time so what are they supposed to do with there consoles when they have internment issues and want to play?? use it as a footbal??
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stiggs  +   380d ago
@ sengoku
Do you really think that a company that sold over 70 million units of their prior iteration would say "You know, let's only market to half of our previous customer base"?

Really?

You think they said "Screw them, we don't need their business"?

Really, that's what you think? OK...

I'm not sure what the Always On/Block Used Game component really means (if it exists). But I do know that it would be commercial suicide for one company to implement a plan like this while the other does not. Do you know who else knows this? Microsoft and Sony.
clintos59  +   380d ago
stiggs

@ sengoku
Do you really think that a company that sold over 70 million units of their prior iteration would say "You know, let's only market to half of our previous customer base"?

Really?

You think they said "Screw them, we don't need their business"?

Really, that's what you think? OK...

Actually microsoft has already answered that question for u. While those 46 million people are paying for xbl the rest are left out to dry & cant experience the full potential of their games because they dont want to pay extra for something that should be free so basically, "Yes" microsoft is screwing the rest of the fanbase.

Edit: Actually all of the fanbase is screwed because even the ones who payed had to pay lol.
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stiggs  +   380d ago
@ clintos59
I think you (and it seems like a lot of others) misunderstand my point. The "screw the customer" is not the relevant point.

I am saying that MS would only be hurting themselves if they were the only company to insist on "always on/block used games". Why would they do that if there is nothing to gain and everything to lose? I'm guessing that they wouldn't and it's not out of the goodness of their hearts.

People please THINK. A company like MS is not going to say "screw them" and intentionally cut out half of their user base unless that action benefits them in some way.

If they do move forward in this direction (and Sony does not) then I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. I just can't envision that scenario coming to fruition.
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sengoku  +   380d ago
@clintos59

Look there not stupid right??
well then riddle me this..

why are we still talking about this??
it's been leaked by many sources for a very long time and it doesn't die,
new sources keep popping up every week.
The creative director currently working at M$ probably on x720 is trying to defend this feature.

what could this be?
IT'S DRM... A.k.A. always online

M$ have not been able to get a solid DRM on the system, the console gets out the door and it's hacked on the way to the store.

The only way for M$ to get a lid on pirating is to have always online DRM it's about the MONEY.
why do you get a Dorito add every time you login while you pay for a monthly sub?

IT's About MONEY,

and yes if they can make more MONEY from 40 million user because they add more Doritos and have better DRM and force KINECT 2.0 To Count heads so you pay per person watching netflix or playing games, then thats what they will do.

It's all about money..

they even have you pay live subs for 2,3 accounts on the same console why?? they don't care.
M$ doesn't make money on the consoles, the thing is sold at a loss.
the amount of repairs they had to pay for because of rrod issue made it even worse..

they want the real money and that, my friend is in the contend, subs and DRM A.k.A. always online
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stiggs  +   379d ago
@ sengoku
"It's about money."

Well, thank you for the succinct explanation of a successful business model in a capitalist society, Mr. Buffet. Do you mean to tell me that the primary concern of a major corporation like Microsoft is money? No, really...are you sure?

You do know that you are essentially agreeing with me. As I said "MS is not going to eliminate half of their customer base" because it will affect their bottom line. The only reason for MS to implement the online/DRM system is if it somehow generates more income. I really can't see how that is possible. As you so simply put it, "it's about money". Just as it is with EVERY business entity.

Unless you think that other companies, let's say Sony for example, are exempt from this "appalling" desire to turn a profit. Not those guys...never...they're your friends. They care about you. Right?
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bangshi  +   379d ago
Around 30% of Xbox consoles sold have never been connected. That was from Microsoft themselves.

So it isn't half, but quite a big percentage nevertheless.

However, don't forget not all of that 30% will be scenarios where it isn't possible to connect the Xbox to Xbox LIVE.

So for example a console in a childs bedroom would likely have no need to go online, so the parent would not set up Xbox LIVE on the console.
thechosenone  +   380d ago
but if for whatever reason I choose to disconnect from PSN or Live I'll still be able to play SP campaigns, right?
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Hufandpuf  +   380d ago
I play a lot of fighting games. So if I can't practice offline, then I don't see me ever buying the next Xbox if this is true.
cgoodno  +   380d ago
Being an Xbox live member does not denote a person who is always on or plays the majority of their games online. Many of these people could have it for the sole purpose of using Netflix and similar services. It doesn't mean that they are always online or that they are okay with a game that will require an Internet connection to play offline.
Aceman18  +   380d ago
Im not paying someone else to use a service im already paying for, especially when said service can be used on so many other devices for FREE.

i have a 360 but i refuse to be robbed out of my own money for something that should be FREE.
fei-hung  +   380d ago
The important thing here is, at the moment, XBOX gamers have an option, whether they will have one tomorrow is a different story.

The question is, do XBOX gamers mind not having an option?
dead_eye  +   379d ago
You can't ask that question yet. MS haven't told them what to think yet ;)
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   380d ago
Nope. Just cause I have an xbox account doesn't mean it's online every time I game. In fact, its offline most of the time.

Count me as a no, Microsoft. No thank you!
popup  +   379d ago
Once the MS knows that every customer has an always on connection, the temptation to throw in or sell advertising or draw stats from users to use to sell to the advertisers must also become a reality?
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Knight_Crawler  +   379d ago
The people asking what will happen when my internet is down...dont you think that MS has already asked the same question and has a way to avoid this.
Hicken  +   379d ago
No, I don't think they have. I think they don't give a damn. Don't know what would make you believe otherwise, if they were considering this in the first place.
RM-TatoTiburon  +   379d ago
well i live in Colombia and i always on, i have a good 4mb internet connection and only a few times go down....but i want to play all the time even without internet
JokesOnYou  +   379d ago
I'm betting this is much to do about nothing...
I highly doubt that Microsoft is going to introduce an "always on" type functionality for their next console that will be implemented in such a way that unless you have a active internet connection throughout gameplay that you will NOT be able to play a game you've already paid for. Sure you may need a internet connection as some sort of sign in/DRM but I don't think it will be anymore than that. Microsoft is very smart, the xbox division is making them tons of cash so I'm sure a lot of thought is going into how to best implement this without alienating the vast majority of their fan base.

I have dealt with quite a lot of people from those who are doing pretty well financially to those who are barely making ends meet, so maybe I'm crazy but who doesn't have the internet?...or more revelant who owns a xbox now and does not at least have internet? I mean speaking purely from my work experience along with my own personal experience over the last 2 years I honestly can't think of anybody I know of who does not have some sort of internet connection. I know that as of June 2012 about 80% of Americans were at least using the internet, plus most of xbox sales come for places like Europe/UK, Canada and Australia which have over 60% internet penetration. http://www.internetworldsta...
The better news is that the internet penentration percentage is much higher among those who actually own a gaming console. As for those who cant afford or don't live in areas where internet is NOT available well I doubt these gamers are really a big part of Microsofts plans for their next console, if you hate the idea of needing a internet connection just to play then just buy a ps4 and forget about xbox, I'm sure despite all of the "OMG this is the end for xbox", Microsoft's next console will still have huge sales and the games will be great for the rest of us.
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Veneno  +   379d ago
Lots of good people don't have access to Internet because they cant afford it. My ex girlfriend is a single mom and she is a hardcore xbox gamer. She gets to still enjoy online but she is lucky that a neighbor in her apt building lets her use the wi fi for free. I myself wasnt gaming online with my Xbox 360 for a very long time until I was out of college and could finally afford paying for internet.

But you are stil right in that times have changed and internet is pretty much everywhere, but doesnt it bother you that with this always online stuff you will never ever own any of the games you buy because of being at the mercy of microsoft? Imagine if old school NES had this online roadblock. You couldnt play any of the games you have in your collection, as im certain Nintendo would not be supporting such an old console. But we PAID for those games. We have a right to PLAY what we payed for.

People like you who are turning a blind eye to this have a very narrow vision, or are in denial. This problem goes way beyond just finding Internet to play your console. It's also about owning your games and being able to play them at any time you wish.
JokesOnYou  +   376d ago
huh? I'm not sure what you mean, you will still own the games you buy however you would just be required to use the internet when you boot up the game(I'm assuming this is likely what they mean by always on). -We literally know nothing about how this work and surely this could be a one time type of DRM unlock per console, so who's to say you wont be able to play your old games with no connection, logic tells me Microsoft has this well thought out for all the what if's like that. As for those who cant afford or live in rural areas without internet connection, they are a small minority of current 360 owners, that's life tech moves forward Microsoft should not limit their vision of future consoles based on the few....so if their plans don't suit you and your girlfriend just buy a ps4, wii-u, or game on pc and let those not bothered enjoy what they choose to buy, I mean its not like Microsoft is going to lie, get you to buy the next xbox and THEN say, "ha ha you need internet to play". lol
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dedicatedtogamers  +   380d ago
Stop making excuses. There's a difference between "I use my internet a lot" and "always on is required to play games", which is a form of DRM.

Let's say I'm a BlOps2 junkie. Oh, darn. My internet is down, or there's server maintenance, or XBL is acting funny, or something like that. Darn, I can't get online! Oh well, I guess I'll play through the campaign or play Fez or something.

But "always on required" is something completely different. Let's say my internet is down, or server maintenance, or whatever, and I can't get online. Well then my always-on Xbox pops up a warning and says "please connect to the internet to verify your game library". Wait. What? So then I put the game disc into the drive, the game disc that I purchased from the store. The disc spins up. I load it. The same warning pops up. "Please connect to the internet to verify your game library".

What I'm describing is nothing new at all. In fact, what I just described is something that has been very common amongst PC games for the last half-decade.
I just want to go online for free.
wenaldy  +   380d ago
You're on the wrong console.
NastyLeftHook0  +   380d ago
or what if you have slow internet and you want to use netflix on your pc AND play a offline game but you have to be online, its little things like that. And what you said also.
Ezz2013  +   380d ago
@dedicatedtogamers

as you can see ...the USA media start the Damage control early
somehow they think "i play online when i want"
is the same as "you need online to play games"
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StrawHatPatriot  +   380d ago
Yeah exactly, or say there's a popular game, and the servers crash, or they shut down servers for a specific game that's like more than 2 years old, or there's a SimCity situation all over again. No games, no nothing.

It's why Cloud Gaming was looked down upon, why OnLive was looked down upon, etc.
nix  +   380d ago
true. even my PS3 is always connected but it doesn't mean i can't play games if the internet is down. i can already feel how frustrating it is going to be when you need to be always online because on PS3 you need to be logged on to PSN just to watch Youtube videos through the app. if i'm disconnected from PSN, the app stops playing the videos. pretty stupid if you ask me.

now if you take that issue when playing games... woah! it's gonna piss off lot's of people. imagine you're about to make that final kill on the big boss on Dark Souls 2 and you get internet error.

i didn't buy Diablo 3 not because i heard it was worse than D2 but because i heard about the always online policy.
KrisButtar  +   380d ago
I don't have internet offered in my home, only while I'm at work I have it. So even though I want a nextbox I wouldn't be able to play it unless I was at work :/
BanBrother  +   379d ago
@dedicated

Well said. I am connected to the internet all the time on my Xbox, whether I am playing single player or not. Howefer, for that to be a requirement is a big no-no for me. Will not be getting a 720 110% if it requires always online. The amount of trouble I have had with my ISP is ridiculous. Plus, I don't have unlimited usage.

Then again, Microsoft have only ever cared about the U.S.A only anyway. Oh well, I suppose I can get $400-$600 worth of PS4 games instead. What a shame :( /s
bunt-custardly  +   380d ago
Everyone assumes Microsoft doesn't have a clue around here. I suspect they will have something much more complex and user friendly than what many are suggesting to combat the issues you guys have raised.
dedicatedtogamers  +   380d ago
And yet a lot of people assume Microsoft knows exactly what they're doing, when they might not. RRoD, anyone? Games for Windows Live, anyone? Windows Vista, anyone? Microsoft can make mistakes just like any company, and the glut of rumors are indicating that Microsoft is doing their usual greedy, restrictive nonsense like they always have. It's really nothing new. They required you to go online and re-verify the games on your hard drive with Xbox Live if you plugged it into a new 360.

EA should have learned their lesson with DRM when Spore launched years ago. Yet, they keep trying over and over again, SimCity being the most recent example. Ubisoft is another company that SHOULD know better, but they keep messing up with DRM. Rock* games on PC are miserable because of the DRM. Every once in a while, a perfectly functional game gets f'd up by Steam because of Steam's DRM. You would think these companies SHOULD know better, but they keep making the same mistakes.

The bigwigs in Microsoft might be thinking exactly like this article thinks: hey, a ton of our users are online anyway, so let's require them to be online, okay?
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TronEOL  +   379d ago
And that's why Microsoft is so confident with this Always-On thing. They KNOW they have a fanbase that will put up with almost anything they throw at them.

And even if they don't, Microsoft's rumoured move to included a TV tuner and make Kinect the main way of interacting with menus will DEFINITELY catch the TV watching/casual crowd (most HDPVR's are almost as expensive as consoles and include less space).

So they know if this Always-On deters gamers, they'll still manage high sales. Everyone knows Microsoft from their phones, almost every PC ever and their tablets. So now Microsoft is making an HDPVR that also plays video games and streams movies off netflix/etc? It'll get eaten up regardless of their gaming content, and the most stubborn "gamers" will still stay by their side with the one or two rehashed exclusives a year.

To gamers, what Microsoft is doing (if it's even true) is horrible and shouldn't be supported by any right-minded gamer. Buy a PS4 or Wii-U.

But to someone just looking to play a few videogames and doesn't mind paying all these extra fees, and mostly will use it as their central entertainment unit, it's a good deal. A fantastic deal, almost. Since instead of paying your cable company for cable, you'd be paying Microsoft with XboxLive.

But who really knows. Just be aware of what could possibly be, and what side you should be on depending on what you want from the gaming industry. So far, Sony is showing great promise when it comes to creating new things and working with developers to create even better things.

It's still Microsoft's move.
rainslacker  +   379d ago
@Tron

Did you know MS is one of the most untrusted companies in the consumer's eyes in the US? Do you know why this is? Decades of Windows supremacy has made them the giant that must be toppled, figuratively speaking. MS didn't get to it's current position because they loved the consumer, they got there because they made the right moves early on, and then dictated the market for over 30 years through ever increasing anti-consumer practices which many were forced to accept because Window's had the support.

What makes you think that people are going to look at Xbox as their all-in-one solution to their media serving needs, when typically the cable or phone company already provides all of that for them?

Outside of gaming, MS is almost universally despised from a consumer standpoint. People are skeptical of them. people don't trust them. They don't even make good hardware (although the 360 became good later in it's life), and many people have had crappy MS hardware, or have been a part of it's many many many many past failures.

You say they're known for their phones and tablets. MS doesn't make the phones that run Windows Phone OS(which I actually like), and surface has not been a major success. Food for thought.
DARK WITNESS  +   380d ago
Do not bank on it.... you would think MS are smart enough to know, but they really don't seem to have a clue, the last few years have shown us this.
DragonKnight  +   380d ago
"Everyone assumes Microsoft doesn't have a clue around here."

No. Everyone assumes that because Microsoft introduced microtransactions to consoles and also have the gall to charge gamers to access the online portion of their games that they already paid for, while throwing ads in their faces, that they don't have any scruples and are completely capable of doing something like this.
sengoku  +   380d ago
Nope your wrong even considering this makes them the dumbest bunch of retard on the planet.
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exsturminator01  +   380d ago
Console manufacturers have come and gone before though. Once upon a time, I'll bet people thought Atari and Sega were smart enough to stay in the game, but they each banked on losing horses in the console races and were sunk. Big companies make mistakes all the time, and some of those mistakes are severe enough as to ruin them. I'm not saying an always-online Xbox is just such a mistake, but I wouldn't assume they've thought of every contingency either. It'll probably be more complex than what we're imagining, but I can guarantee it won't be as foolproof as they hope.
Jakens  +   379d ago
Even if they offer LIVE members an DRM free (always on or off) console it would not be cool.

I can't say I won't get it yet because of my collection of DLC packs.
rainslacker  +   379d ago
MS could have thought of every single possible scenario through years of think tanks on this exact issue, and they can address every single issue there is in this regard so that it does not affect the consumer negatively, but the past couple days has shown that it still isn't a good idea.

Will it succeed? hard to say. Is it advisable to take the risk? Again, that would depend on what MS hopes to achieve by doing so, which is really the true unknown right now.

All I know is that people in general take a very dim view on anything that can be construed as bad for them. Sometimes they don't realize what can be bad, and they latch onto it, but it appears the press isn't going to let that happen, which means MS will have to do a lot of marketing to make it seem desirable, or find a subversive way to get it into people's homes. Honestly, I'd prefer that kind of money be spent on making games...because you know it's a game console.
Godmars290  +   380d ago
Or something that appeals to a majority while outright ignoring a minority.

I've said it before this "rumor" blew up to the levels it now has: MS is going to works and appeal to general consumers with their system as a cable box and sell it with cable/internet package deals. Likely expand their install base while allowing them to ignore the segment of gamers w/o internet.
Aceman18  +   380d ago
I already have cable and internet, all i want from these companies are games consoles.

i didnt ask my cable company to be a games player so i didn't ask these companies to become cables boxes i just want them to play games.
Igniter  +   380d ago
For over a year now I have thought that the next Xbox would be available from cable providers. And in one way I hope it happens.
You would eliminate a modem and a router from the set up. This would help to reduce latency. Now I can set up a router and modem to work correctly but a lot of people can't and don't. More gamers on direct connected units would mean less lag in MP games.

An always on, direct connected console appeals to me. I could start enjoying MP again without so many laggy idiots.
Godmars290  +   380d ago
@Igniter
Really doubt MS will be providing a modem or router with the system. You'll still have to use the ones your cable/internet provider provides.
Igniter  +   379d ago
@Godmars
No separate modem or router needed. I'm talking about direct connection like cable boxes are now. Coax cable straight to the console. Internally a console could have a cable/networking card that handles TV and internet. No modem no router less lag!
rainslacker  +   379d ago
@Igniter

That's highly unlikely to happen. The cable coming into your house is split into different frequencies to provide for TV service and internet service. It can be carried on the same line, but it's impractical to make the Xbox into a modem, not to mention use it for a wireless or wired switch/router for your whole home.

This would also increase the cost to the Xbox by quite a lot, and I'm sure MS would much prefer to save a bit on those technologies and just allow the ISP continue to provide it. Also given the current dispute that MS has with Motorola, they aren't going to be pushing any of that in their nextBox.
RaidensRising  +   380d ago
DRM sucks but until theres some factual info from MS I will reserve judgement.
profgerbik  +   380d ago
http://n4g.com/news/1225967...

The recent blowout of a Microsoft employee defending this whole debacle seems to say this might very well be true.

It was pretty ass, he just made it seem like everyone should have internet at this point and just because he doesn't always have power, it doesn't stop him from buying a vacuum or just because he doesn't have good reception, he doesn't stop himself from buying a cell phone..

Why the fuck would you buy a cell phone if you know you never get a good reception? Why the fuck would you buy a vacuum when you can barely ever use it without electricity. His points were beyond arrogant about the whole thing and really made no sense.

Then at the end of his rant he just says "I want every device to be always on". What a selfish prick.
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bangshi  +   379d ago
You could argue that you are being selfish - but we don't yet know why they want always-online.

They wouldn't do it just to annoy people, so there must be something good they think they can do with it.

So by saying they shouldn't have it you are preventing those that do have a stable internet that cool new feature - which is selfish.

'I can't have it so you can't either' is not a very good attitude to take.

Also, I get his point on vacuum cleaners and mobile phones.

You'd still buy the phone because even though you may lose coverage for a brief period of time it will be the best available to you. You still buy the vacuum cleaner even though you may have a power cut because it is better than no vacuum at all.

So what Microsoft would have to do in order to convince those with unstable connections is show them why even though for brief periods of time it will be inoperable you really need to get this device because of what it can do that the other consoles can't.

Please note, I am not saying always online is a good idea.

And they would of course never be able to convince someone who has, and could never have, access to the internet entirely.
Baka-akaB  +   380d ago
Pure BS , almost no one is constantly online without the occasional disconnects and issues from ISP .

When that happens to me you're going to tell me to start over my level or to just wait or it to be back ? Well you can wait for me to purchase your console too
ShadesMoolah  +   380d ago
It was only the other night where I got disconnected for a few hours for no apparent reason, it was back up and running hours later fine though - a rare occassion though it is.

It's annoying when that happens now, could you imagine being invested in a single-player game such as Skyrim or BioShock and your connection drops. At that point my box would likely be mid-air and heading for the wall. Regardless of rumours from so-so credible sources, I still can't see it happening for the simple reason - that I wouldn't buy one.

I'm sure it's just something that's being "considered", and purposefully leaked now just so they can get a general reaction before implementing such a feature.
ThatsGaming  +   380d ago
I just don't understand what the big deal is about having to be offline.

I have a PS Vita and it is pretty much useless without an internet connection. Before every trip I have to log into it and do all updates to all games to use it offline because if it connects to any network it flags updates before you can play games.

Today, XBLA and GoD games are useless without an internet connection.

The Xbox has always been an online device to gain the advantages it really has over other devices.
StrawHatPatriot  +   380d ago
What if your internet goes down? Or their servers crash? Or their servers for a game you like are shut down? Or a SimCity situation happens? Or they're are too many people logged in at once? No games, no apps.
Minato-Namikaze  +   380d ago
Completely different. Vita is not useless without an internet connection, anytime i want i can play any game that i have with no internet connection required.

The xbox brand has NEVER been an ALWAYS ONLINE device. If you go an turn off your wifi or unplug your ethernet cable you can still play your single player games. This new tactic with effectively change that.
ThatsGaming  +   379d ago
I never said to Xbox was an always on device. I pointed out that the advantages of having an xbox are when it is connected to a network.

Outside of exclusive games that all platforms have the advantages to each device is the network and services that are available through it.
DARK WITNESS  +   380d ago
it seems like nothing , but it's really the principals behind it all. At least you can get those updates when you are connected and then play offline when you want to. If you don't connect to a network then you can still play those games offline like when you are on the underground etc..

I have had a few instances when I have had problems with my ISP and i have no internet for a week+. usually I will just pick up the single player games that I am slowly working my way though and play them for a week. With this system it means if my internet is down my xbox will just collect dust while i twiddle my thumbs..

It's not a big deal, but it's a big enough deal that I could do without that inconvenience and if the competition tells me I can play my games offline if there is a problem with my ISP, then what logical reason do I have to want to still put up with a system I can't play.
Aceman18  +   380d ago
Dude WTH are you talking about useless i play my Vita all the time whether its connected to wifi, or not. when PSN went down i could still play offline.

like people here said connection is not 100% perfect especially here in the state, and you know this is true.

@allwrong below

i own a 360 (zero cool 108) and refuse to pay for LIVE. right now my decision not to purchase their next system seems to be the right one for me.
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ThatsGaming  +   379d ago
I went to an airport, connected my vita to the wifi, and it flagged a bunch of games as needing an update before I could play them. the airport wifi went down, and I couldn't play any of the games I wanted to because they were flagged for an update.

Switched to my 3DS for that trip.

Just went to florida, and the day before my trip I spent four hours updating my games before the trip. kind of made bringing the vita useless.
SonyPS4  +   379d ago
My PSVita is offline most of the time, even though it has the 3G feature on it, I stopped paying for the service and it works just fine without it. Don't see why the next Xbox should differ.
rainslacker  +   379d ago
Sounds like you had a bad experience at the airport, but your Vita does not need to be online to play games. Also games do not get flagged for updates unless you decide to download the update. It will simply mention that there is an update, much the same way the PS3 does, and you have to confirm that you want to download the update. If your playing an online game then it could require an update for that, but I routinely boot up games that say they need updates while I'm at work, ignore the update, and play them without any issue.
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Veneno  +   379d ago
ThatsGaming

You either dont know how to work your Vita, or you're straight up lying.
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solidworm  +   380d ago
Surely this cant be true, i mean that would be suicide wouldnt it?
deadfrag  +   380d ago
No problem PC,Wii u and PS4 will suits me well!Screw you microsoft!
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dangerousjo34  +   380d ago
im not worried i understand alot of users have been use to having things one way for so long. their kinda scared to try something new like always online/kinect/move and alot of them dont understand. this is just onemore baby step in the direction the gaming industry has been taking 4. for sometime now dont fight it yet wait n see whats its all about first at E3.
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KrisButtar  +   380d ago
and what about people like me?, who only have internet while at work and its not offered where I live. Am I to bring my nextbox to work to play?
azshorty2003  +   380d ago
My big thing is, yea when I'm home my systems are usually connected online. But I have been traveling A LOT with my PS3. Almost daily in fact. I take it to work play on my breaks, with no internet connection.

With this rumor, I wouldn't be able to travel at all with it or play unless its connected to the internet. That's pretty messed up.
dangerousjo34  +   380d ago
well then you should buy a ipad easier to run around with
azshorty2003  +   380d ago
Yea, cuz I want to game on that PoS.
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Minato-Namikaze  +   380d ago
Are you really trying to say that ipad games are anywhere near the quality of ps3 games? I Really hope not cause..... just wow.

Also to you other comment, Being always online isnt viable, networks arent 100% stable, if simcity and Diablo 3 proved anything its nothing can be connected at all times without error.
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Veneno  +   379d ago
It seems like MS is trying to brainwash people into thinking of the NextBox like a mobile device. In that it is useless without Internet anyway so why be upset that Internet is required to play games? MS are seriously taking people for idiots because they think we forgot that playing video games without Internet has been possible since their existence.
DOOMZ  +   380d ago
I know I do...
Day one...
Sharius  +   380d ago
i am alway connect when i turn my ps3 on, do i enjoy it? yes

but don't get me wrong, when the alway connect thing turn from option to mandatory that will not be fun anymore, this will be totally pain in the A

i cannot sure when my internet connection f*ck me up nor when the f*ck PSN being mess up, so do i lost my ability to play my game in offline mode when this happen?

that why i really happy if sony choose to stay away from that BS, as for other system? guess what? i don't f*cking care
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Typical-Guy  +   380d ago
Of course I'm always online, but I don't get booted off my game when the Internet plays dumb!
SpartanQ8  +   380d ago
I cant Believe they are justifying (always online)!!! from xbox 1 and xbox 360 loyal owner F@cK M$ and im getting ps4 at least they respect there customers
omegaheat  +   380d ago
I think this topic has become ridiculous and an obvious sabotage to taint the consoles credit before it's even announced. What people haven't realized that it's just a rumor at this point. I have drawn my own conclusions and I think Microsoft may be planning something brilliant. In the past I have read a rumor that there will be 2 SKUs. I predict that Microsoft plans to provide 2 pricing models. They will probably use something similar to the $99 Xbox360 price which includes a 2 year agreement of Xbox Live for roughly $15 per month for 2 years. That may very well be the model in which all of these always on and connected rumors stem from. It will be specifically for those consumers who chose to go this route. It's no different from owning a mobile contract phone. The other option would be to buy the console full price up front.
Minato-Namikaze  +   380d ago
why would the online features be different? They offer that pricing now but the 360 doesnt have to always be online, so why would it change? Live access doesnt change just the way you pay for it (49.99 a year vs 14.99 a month). I need a explanation on this theory.

As of right now the next box is firmly on my do not buy list until they show me alot of good.
Statix  +   380d ago
You're right, it is just a rumor, but it's been an incredibly long-standing, persistent rumor, substantiated by numerous sources over the past year. It would be a surprise if there wasn't more-or-less truth to it at this point.
ALLWRONG  +   380d ago
Most people who own Xbox's are online anyway. The point of Live is? you guessed it! "ONLINE"

Lets be honest here. There is only one group of people making a big deal of this, and none of them own an Xbox.
MysticStrummer  +   380d ago
If my group of friends is any indication, there's a more than a decent chance that people complaining about this used to own a 360 but got rid of it. A lot of people think paying to play online is ridiculous. It's like buying a game and then renting the online play.

Personally I doubt these rumors about mandatory online connection, but who in their right mind would welcome that if it was true??? Even the most stable connection has hiccups.
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amiga-man  +   380d ago
allwrong you have seen the video of the guy smashing his xbox with an axe because of the always online crap,

People like you do gaming no favours by defending this crap, hopefully people with more sense than you will tell M$ what to with this nonsense and give gaming back to gamers.
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Statix  +   380d ago
Wrong, I'm not making a big deal about this at all. I honestly don't care too much if this rumor is true or not, because I'm pretty certain I won't be buying an Xbox console next generation. Therefore it won't be affecting me.

I pretty much just chuckle at all these rumors of used-game bans and internet-required on the next Xbox.
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TemplarDante  +   380d ago
*reads headline*
So.. when your internet/router craps out on you, your Xbox gives you three minutes to get online again or else you're not allowed to..
1)use any media features.
2) play ANY game, including single player RPG blockbusters like Fallout 3 or Skyrim?
This is news to me...

Stop supporting anti-consumer practices.

EDIT: People need to stop being so emotionally invested in a huge corporation, it can lead to blinding you from the truth. This will be an F up of huge proportions, infact, they cause our fragile games industry to collapse if investers dont see sales and increased revenue. Imagine invester uncertainty about the shakey foundation the games industry will find themselves in.

When I buy a product. I OWN that product. I REFUSE to let a corporation decide when/where or how I use it.
Anyone that tries to play this down isnt a gamer, but a fanboy.
This could spell the begining of the end for our sector, if we speak our minds now,HOPEFULLY they wont implement this absurdity.
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blackstrr411  +   380d ago
Bye bye. Xbox. I'm switching to ps4. I'll miss everything about you from the controller to the dash board. Sob sob
worldwidegaming  +   380d ago
If you do not mind that's great for you.
Some people do not like to eat peas some do.
It's called choice.
With "Always on" there are only two choices.
suck it up and deal with it or
Don't BUY!

I pick "Don't BUY!"
impet25  +   380d ago
I just had my isp mess up on me last week n couldn't play diablo n a bunch of other stuff its very frustrating when u can't use something u payed 4. Microsoft needs 2 not do this otherwise there just signing there death certificate.
TemplarDante  +   380d ago
Sony F'ed up BIGTIME when PSN was down for a month...
My God... atleast I got to play offline..
With Xbox Next... if that happend to XBL.. you have a useless brick until you're online again.
Its not like XBL had a spotless record this gen... if that happend next gen, I would be sitting waiting clicking Reload on Major Nelsons twitter feed every 5 seconds waiting for him to say XBL is up again.

Whats worse... you can bet if Anonymous got wind of the anti-consumer behavior next gen.. what would a few DDOS attacks do to us who are forced to be online?
This is NOT the future I envisioned, MSFT.
EDIT: MIKE32UK
Mate, that and the rumored Mandatory Kinect garbage...
Im not going to mention names or throw accusations around, but "Always On+ Kinect + 3 min to get back online" is bad.. especially if one has it plugged in the bedroom... or maybe, playing by yourself solo in front of the t.v... if you know what I mean...
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Godmars290  +   380d ago
Members of Anon more than likely popped a collective boners at the notion of disrupting XBL during the launch of the new system.
Godmars290  +   380d ago
The the point not registering with the author of this article is that while there are currently 40 million Xboxs online, there are supposedly 70 million out in the wild. That's 30 million potential users who, for one reason or another, have internet issues. That's 30 million who will be SOL with the next console.

Another thing being missed if not denied is that though several console games this gen have had online DRM like some Capcom titles, they have all drawn protest for having that DRM.
mike32UK  +   380d ago
I don't think the issue lies in the fact that people can or cannot have a constant connection, I think it's more that it is an unnecessary requirement, at least from my perspective. Ill personally be getting a PS4 anyway because I have always stuck with playstation, but I hope MS changes this because I want the next generation to be equally as competitive as this one was in order to drive innovation!
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MasterCornholio  +   380d ago
You get what you pay for with Microsoft.

LOL

Seriously i dont know why anyone would support something like this unless Xbox user firmly believe that having always online DRM will improve their Xboxlive experience in some way.
GABRIEL1030  +   380d ago
I'm online almost all the time, but a few times on year the connection get lost. I understand Microsoft viewpoint to fight piracy, but Pay for Online is very abusive, and less competitive because exist much better services like PSN Plus, Origin, Gaikai and Onlive with incredible promotions. But is much more abusive obligate to the players stay connected all the time.
SprigganN4G  +   380d ago
Back in 2001, when Xbox Live was announced, the gaming community said "WTF! paying for online play? NO WAY!"

Now the community have 46 MILLION users who pays.

Regrettably, with online DRM, this is going to repeat again. Same thing if they implement the no used games policy.
profgerbik  +   380d ago
People already dislike paying for Xbox Live just to use their own damn internet connection. Now they are going to pull this crap?

The 720 will be the biggest console flop in history if they go through with this. Fuck that, with all this over the top security I wouldn't be surprised if the damn Kinect is actually watching you also.

Another reason to be "always on" because they are "always watching"... No I don't know just sounded funny.

If people support this I would be amazed also but then again people are fairly stupid at times, they buy windows phones.. So who knows but regardless it is a terrible idea, I think everyone can agree on that.
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xJumpManx  +   380d ago
I would still get more playtime with an always needed internet connection than the PS3 has with its always needed patchs and system updates. The PS3 is the worst gaming console I have ever owned. XBOX games needs a patch its like 20 seconds tops ps3 is more like 5 to 10 minutes and heaven forbid the system needs patching that is like a 10 to 15 minute wait right there. I am not happy with the XBOX needing an always on net connection but maybe that will make help Sony close the gap with gamers.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   379d ago
Typical Xbot. Please do tell me, How did PS3 became the "worst" console?? I dont like bashing another console preference because I have friends who own an Xbox and I played with them. But This is an exception. Give me atleast 10 bad points about PS3 and after that I'll give you 100 reasons why Xbox 360 is the worst console.
xJumpManx  +   379d ago
Gran Turismo 5 is all I need to prove why the PS3 was a failure. IF a gamer bought this game today and wanted to play it with an up to date version between the install of the game and patches would have to wait a minimum of an hour.
Mod Nation Racers has the worst load times I have ever seen in a console game.

As for you backhanded comment that I am an xbot I guarantee I own more psx, ps2 and ps3 games then you as well as more PSP and Vita titles. I am a gamer I want to like all the consoles however the PS3 let me down this generation.

I buy a console for gaming not watch movies on not to check social media sites or browse the web. When it comes to pure gaming the PS3 has been a failure.
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