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Submitted by DPAD Dave 479d ago | news

Pre-owned block will 'kill the Xbox', retail warns

Retailers have warned that introducing a block on pre-owned software in the next-generation Xbox will "kill" the console if Sony continues to support used software with PlayStation 4. (Industry, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

TheLyonKing  +   479d ago
This is obvious, the pre owned market is a big player in the gaming industry and vital life line for chains like GAME and HMV.
ChronoJoe  +   479d ago
I wonder if retailers will even stock the system if it's going to shun preowned sales. Retailers like game in the UK make almost all of their profit from used game sales. So there's not much of an incentive to enable such a system to succeed.

PC games shunned used games sales long ago, and now the PC section in retailers is generally incredibly small or non-existent.

I hope that it goes the same way for any console that tries the same thing. Be it Microsoft's, Sony's or Nintendo's.
USMC_POLICE  +   479d ago
Not even preowned what if I want to take a game I just got to a friends house?
"Pre-owned block will 'kill the Xbox', retail warns"

nice!!
KaBaW  +   479d ago
I think the only way they could get away with it is if new games cost $30, not $60.
Other than what shutUpAndTakeMyMoney said about taking a game to a friends.
That's the biggest bummer, if it's true. Not sharing with or gaming at friends.
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paydayp  +   479d ago
if the next xbox really doesnt let u play second hand games i can see sony doing the same.
not especially because sony wants it but because of the developers want it.
its all just going to be a little step for moving to full digital purchase.
if true of course.
but the hackers will always find a way too.
StrongMan  +   479d ago
No way. Sony is not that stupid.
DiRtY  +   479d ago
right now, Sony is the only manufacturer actively fighting the 2nd hand market with their online passes for first party games... They do this for a reason.
Ezz2013  +   479d ago
@dirty & @paydayp
sony already confirm they will not block used games on ps4
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

all the eyes are on MS now
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Ron_Danger  +   479d ago
@Dirty

Sony didn't come up with the online pass idea. What do you think Xbox Live Gold is?
Britainz-Fin3st  +   479d ago
Ron Danger.

Xbox Live is service, nothing like an online pass.
The question is what do YOU think xbl is.
Ron_Danger  +   479d ago
@britain

Xbox live gold- pay a fee to play online games

PSN online pass- pay a fee to play online games
KaBaW  +   479d ago
They probably would if they started to lose mass developer support.
Seeing as developers games can't play preowned on a competitors machine.
Meaning if people wanted their games they'd have to buy new or price drop.
Although Sony does have a nice 1st party group, they still need a 3rd party.
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Britainz-Fin3st  +   477d ago
You are talking about something different to me.
When i buy a used game from EA and the person before me played online, i need to purchase a code which they call an Online Pass.

If i have Xbox Live Gold and i purchase fifa new i enter the unique code, if its been used i have to buy an online pass to play online.
NastyLeftHook0  +   479d ago
dont try to drag down sony into this. there not microsoft.
paydayp  +   479d ago
im not saying sony having intentions to do this.
but if the developers are seeing that there is more reveneu coming because of such a system in MS next console they are going to ask (demand) it from sony.
dont forget sony already have the patents for such a system.
im not trying to down play anyone i would hate it if its treu.
because now i buy a new game and i can play 3 games for the price of 1.
because of forums who let me trade my new game with other people.
i only do this because i dont have the money to buy all the games im intrested in.
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Why o why  +   479d ago
sony seem to be on the ball in terms of debunking any false rumours. Maybe MS should do the same. It cant harm their plight can it?
MasterCornholio  +   479d ago
Nope what Sony will do is sell the feature of the PS4 being able to play used games for free. Which is what they do with PSN with the free online multiplayer.
Alos88  +   479d ago
If both this and the always online thing are true, it would be a pretty bad day for Microsoft.
JSGDarko  +   479d ago
Microsoft needs to get J Allard back in charge. He did a great job launching the 360.
secretcode  +   479d ago
J. Allard would launch himself out of a window if he had to clean up this mess.
DivineAssault  +   479d ago
They better not do the always online thing or complete disc installs like PCs.. It will make ppl think twice about buying that system & going with PS4 instead..

These articles are already imprinting a bad name for the system & slowly starting to kill thier market already.. Even if false, there will be ppl who still think this is happening now.. Just like the wii u negativity that haunts it to this day.. All i can say is good luck.. If they think ppl will accept this, then more power to em.. I for one, will not
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Jek_Porkins  +   479d ago
Well the Gamestop CEO said the next Xbox is amazing, and mentioned that they are working with Microsoft, which would lead me to believe it'll play used games of a sort. I guess we'll all just have to patiently wait and see, I know the Microsoft conference will have record numbers of people watching, everyone will want to know the truth.
Why o why  +   479d ago
closing statement of yours couldn't be truer. ...time will tell
Ron_Danger  +   479d ago
Just to slightly critique your comment, if GameStop is working with Microsoft, then of course they're going to say the next Xbox is great.

Just pointing out that fanboys are gonna read your first sentence and hit disagree. I do agree with your comment though. People need more patience and just wait till there are full spec reveals.
Jek_Porkins  +   479d ago
Well I highly doubt Gamestop would "work" with a company if that company was cutting out used games. I don't think MS would do that anyway, but the fact that Gamestop is on board and have seen the machine, I tend to think it'll allow used games.
Ron_Danger  +   479d ago
Agreed. Especially since the reports that came out months ago when the used game blocking patents appeared said that GameStop wouldn't support any console that blocked used games.

I used to buy tons of used games, but since PS+ started the instant game collection, I haven't even browsed GameStop's used section
hazardman  +   479d ago
Jek, you can buy digital games and dlc at Gamestop. They put the codes on your reciept and if your part of their pro reward program all your codes and purchases are also save to your account.

I'm still gonna buy it, if I have connection issues, ill just game on the PS4.
MilkMan  +   479d ago
So whats going to destroy gaming and the industry is your local pawn shop?
Interesting.
I think not.
What we want is a good deal and MAYBE a chance to share some of your games with others or locally on your box.
If these new consoles can take a tip from steam then this whole issue..would disappear.
Offer great sales on games. Not crap arcade games.
Half off, seventy five percent off. Ability to share what you buy with others.
WiiU does it, PS3 and 4 will do it.
You don't need to sell your games for 1 penny only to be charges $45 bucks.

Of course retailers are complaining, did you expect them to just fall asleep while the big 3 effectively cut them out of the loop?

You guys are smarter than that.
The only person or entity this is hurting is retailers. Not consumers.
knifefight  +   479d ago
In response to: "You don't need to sell your games for 1 penny only to be charges $45 bucks."

Wherever you've been reselling games has been ripping you off buddy.

You can sell games on eBay and get like 80% of their retail value, or trade them in for like $20 a pop for new games. Heck I got $8 for stinking Dragoneer's Aria for PSP. Yeah it's not a lot of money, but I never paid much in the first place and really, how much should someone expect for that game? Pfft.

Man, you been only asking a penny you've been doing it wrong.
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AlphaTauri  +   479d ago
I plan on buying the next Xbox day one, so far because I am a huge Xbox fan; However, these rumors about not being able to play second-hand games may make me change my mind; I don't buy used gamed at all , but do share, trade, or even give games to friends and also have a family account for my young boys with their own live ID. IF I have to buy a game for each live ID or Xbox just so me or my boys can play the same game, I will definitely reconsider a next Xbox purchase - that would be ridiculous! I'm already angry that I cannot share downloaded live games amongst my family Live account - very annoying ant consumer-friendly at all.
Supermax  +   479d ago
Can't wait for the new Xbox and ps4 grab in both I'm always online now won't hurt a bit.both company's will begin to make digital purchases more and more appealing on day one aaa titles.
wheresmymonkey  +   479d ago
If the next Xbox blocks preowned games I can see retailers simply refusing to stock it because it would be a bad investment.

No one sells it or they take in reduced stock. no one buys it. Install base shrinks inevitable knock on effect blah blah.

Leaving Sony and Nintendo to divvy up the market as they see fit, since the two could happily coexist.
hazardman  +   479d ago
Exactly we need more retailers putting MS on notice about the idea! Target, BestBuy, Amazon, etc..
rainslacker  +   479d ago
I don't think they would not carry it at all. It would just get reduced shelf space, and likely not get much advertisement unless MS pays for it. Either way it would certainly effect overall perception of the system. Having a giant wall of PS4 titles(new and used) will look much better for Sony when MS has one shelf section(possibly one of those floater shelves) dedicated to it...kinda like the PSP got.

The comment about not supporting it was more about how much they would give focus to it in store. There is still some profit in new games, consoles, and accessories.
wheresmymonkey  +   477d ago
You're probably right that they'd still stock it. But they pobably would make almost no money off of it because margins for new consoles and games are tiny compared to what most places make on used game sales.
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ApexHell  +   479d ago
imagine if they announced this and always on at e3 i would expect the whole auditorium to just get up and leave.
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tweet75  +   479d ago
i never have bought used games. This upsets me however because I like to be able to play the one game I own on more than one console in my home. I get one for the game room one for the living room and if I cannot play one copy of games on both im not supporting the system purchasing it or games for it. Regardless of what the system can do.
isyourhouseonfire  +   479d ago
Why not just buy games new? If you can't buy games new then you can't afford a console in the first place. The end.

Seriously though - do you buy food used? Toilet paper used? No, you're smart enough to buy new, don't forget that when it comes to video games.
kenshiro100  +   479d ago
Some people like to have options. Shocking, I know.
mpnothanks  +   479d ago
Kind of a pointless thing to attempt blocking used games. Of course, I don't think they will try to. The easier way to gain sales in firsthand and reduce secondhand would be just to make all games downloadable and have the downloadable price a fair amount cheaper than solid copies. And without physical production of the disc and packaging, I think it's easily done. Can't trade in a download.
Tultras  +   479d ago
It's reached a point where I don't even think Microsoft cares anymore.

I know they don't comment on rumours but this is ridiculous.

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