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Submitted by Lionheart377 384d ago | news

Microsoft Studios' creative director defends always-online Xbox 720

StickSkills said, "Rumors of what Microsoft’s next-generation console will look, sound and play like have been swirling for months now, but the possible feature that’s elicited the most discussion has been its always-online nature. The gaming community has been clearly upset over the yet-to-be-seen future of the Xbox, and Microsoft Studios’ Creative Director Adam Orth has heard just about enough of it all." (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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thechosenone  +   384d ago | Well said
Hate to say I told you so. And he's being a real douche about it too. WOW. What. A. Jerk.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

(lmao at the disagrees I already have. You people aren't seriously defending this guy, are you? You can't be that complacent).
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GamersRulz  +   384d ago | Well said
That s#@t is becoming real...good luck xbox guys!
Skips  +   384d ago | Well said
Yeaup...

This damage control from Microsoft pretty much confirms an "Always Online, Always Connected" system. lol

Looks like whatever else Edge leaked may be right about the 720 as well.

Blocking used games, DRM? Mandatory/built in Kinect? Spying on the user? Installs and whatnot etc. etc.

Like what was said before, if Microsoft could get away with making you pay for half of a game you've already payed for, and making you pay for services you are ALREADY paying for (Netflix) blah blah blah...

Microsoft doing this doesn't seem so far fetched. : /

Seriously yo? WTF?!?!?!?! Microsoft are like the EA and Capcom of console manufacturers. lol
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Skips  +   384d ago
Whoops, double post.
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fabiani  +   384d ago
it will cause radiation
dedicatedtogamers  +   384d ago | Well said
Now the "always online" has pretty much been confirmed. I just saw another article stating that the NextBox will allow for up to three minutes offline to compensate for internet outages (yeah, like outages only last 3 minutes).

Any of the Xbox defenders want to speak up now? No?
Ezz2013  +   384d ago | Well said
is this guy for real ?! he want People to deal with it ?!

not only he sounds incredibly ignorant
but he's doing a very salty damage control for MS

people will deal with this all right...they are getting ps4
Oh_Yeah  +   384d ago
Microsoft is asking for hackers.
HammadTheBeast  +   384d ago
lol gg to this guy.
HammadTheBeast  +   384d ago
Oh, and vacuum cleaners are also always online.
Bnet343  +   384d ago
UPDATE:

apparently it might have been a joke

http://cl.ly/image/0I1L2n3a...
MariaHelFutura  +   383d ago
^^^
It's a joke alright.
Dmarc  +   383d ago
lol'd at the vacuum cleaner thing.If my electricity went out as much as my internet then I would leave india ( electricity goes out daily there)
and im guessing the other rumors are true now too.. welp no nextbox for me i guess.The new forza will be missed
That is if the rumor about not being able to PLAY unless you have online is true. ...for a minute I start to think he is being sarcastic but then again some of the stuff he said makes it seem he really thinks like that ( aside from the city thing )
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SilentNegotiator  +   383d ago
This is starting to look pretty bad.
I truly hope this is just a case of poor sense of humor, because those are some of the worst analogies that I have ever seen!

Vacuum cleaners have always needed a power grid to work and mobile phones have always needed a wireless service provider to operate, those are inevitable requirements stemming from their basic design and/or function.

But game consoles have been able to play games without an internet connection for the last 40 years. That's not going to turn into a necessary and inevitable requirement just because MS says so.
NewMonday  +   383d ago
SimCity: the Console
sengoku  +   383d ago
What a jerk, "why would you want to live there"

these guys live in a bubble and don't give a damn!!
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Kevin ButIer  +   383d ago
What a jerk.. MS should fire that scumbag ASAP
BattleAxe  +   383d ago
Wow, this orthy guy is a serious dumb ass.

@ Kevin Butler

This is the Microsoft culture, they're not going to fire him, he'll probably get a raise for saying these things.

Just remember....."things break".
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vet_medic  +   383d ago
All the hackers will be on this thing day one, confirmed.
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aiBreeze  +   383d ago
Well if this is how the creative director thinks, it's no wonder I think Microsoft are in dire need of new creativity.. what a moron.
BlmThug  +   383d ago
...And this is why I sold my 360 and bought a PS3. This is also why I will be buying a PS4 at launch and may buy a Nextbox, 5-6 years down the road
1nsaint  +   383d ago
Thanks, looks like we're gonna need it.

I already have issues with my internet randomly disconnecting.. Might be a dent in the cable, a router setting or just the ISP.. All i know it pisses me of when im playing online, but it would realy piss me off it stopped a single player game from running.

If its true and it also turns out not to be Backwards compatible.. I dont think i would buy it.. I'd like to keep my game collection...

And don't say keep your 360 for your games, cause i will, but the thing is 5 years old and has trouble reading discs since the lens is all smeared up from sigarete (and weed) smoke xD
DARK WITNESS  +   383d ago
quick poll

how many people on here are 360 fans or you own both a 360 and ps3, who would have got the next xbox but are not buying it if this crap is true ?

Agree, you are not buying the next xbox

disagree, you are still going to buy it regardless

Personally, if this turns out to be true ( it's looking likely that it is) I am not touching it. I was a big MS supporter of MS when this gen started (although have owned a ps3 which i sold recently), I don't have much love for them right now and if this is true I won't think twice about only buying the ps4 and leaving the next xbox in the dust.

good luck ms, your going to need it..
kevnb  +   383d ago
its going to happen on ps4 too, they danced around the question by saying third parties would have to implement it... but I think we can all read between the lines.
CyberCam  +   383d ago
LOL!
Darrius Cole  +   383d ago
@kevnb

There is a big difference between Microsoft putting it in at the hardware/operating system level and a game developer putting it in at the software/video game/app level. If an individual game is online only or not then I lose just that one game when my internet is not there for any reason. But if I an entire console platform is online only then lose all my games when the internet goes out.

If the game developer wants to do that with his individual game then I am free to buy that game or buy an alternative depending on which I want.

If the console manufacturer puts it in at the hardware/operating system level then I have the same choice. I am free to buy that console or to buy an alternative console depending on which I want.
Perjoss  +   383d ago
I have a stable internet connection so always online suits me just fine!

My xbox360, PS3 and PC have never been 'offline', any time they are turned on there is an active connection to them, I don't see the big deal.
yesmynameissumo  +   383d ago
^^^

Millions of other people don't. I have solid Internet, but I don't want to always be connected to anything.
pixelsword  +   383d ago
Dangit, Microsoft.

You had me, YOU FRIGGIN' HAD ME. You don't believe me? Look at my comment history, I was ready to give every console a chance.

I was ready to get the Next Box firstly and before the PS4 (just to make a point) because I didn't like they way they are trying to lock-out people from their older games, but you had to find a way to screw that up. What I hate more than a console that won't play the games you already purchased is a console that has to be always online to play games.

That's not only pointless power consumption, but it smacks of monitoring devices I've seen.

You doubt me?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

What the heck is going on with this next gen?

I don't put my console online when I play single player because I can free it up for my roommate so there will be a faster connection, not being able to do that will result in a non-purchase from not only me, but people who are in a situation like that. People who work from home rely on a fast connection and when multiple people work from home, there is no question that a console isn't worth a constant paycheck.

You just screwed yourself, Microsoft; and if Sony does the same thing, they they are on the outs as well.
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JeffGUNZ  +   383d ago
@ dedicatedtogamers

Speak up? You mean on the system which has yet to be announced and everything you have heard is pure speculation and rumors from "anonymous sources"? Give me a break. Gamestops CEO said he is excited for the Next Gen. Xbox console, I doubt he'd be that excited if it blocked used games, you know, which is gamestops cash cow.
GamerToons  +   383d ago
Bang... Bang... Bang..

Do you hear that?

It's the sound of nails being hammered into the coffin.

Gamers, please... now can we just look forward to either a PS4 or a true gaming PC?

I am not buying the Next Xbox. They lost me and a lot of people.
starchild  +   383d ago
I'm completely sick of rumors. I'm mostly a PC guy, but I always buy at least one console. All I want is the facts about what each next gen console will bring.

I do find it funny that most of the people commenting are known to be hardcore playstation fanboys that wouldn't be buying the next Xbox in any case.
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Shani  +   383d ago
Funny image of conversation on twitter.

http://i.minus.com/iZ4Xc7uz...

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DatNJDom81  +   383d ago
I hope you xbox guys learn ur lesson. This is what you get for supporting their sleezy ways. No surprise here all.
Moncole  +   384d ago
You do know the only people that are disagreeing are the trolls to get you mad? It seems like its working.
Simon_Brezhnev  +   384d ago
Pretty much confirmed it. It's going to do worse than the Wii U in sales. If this is true.
Root  +   384d ago
If it did that would be Nintendo's time to strike back. They could use that to their advantage....hell Sony could use that to their advantage.
Blacktric  +   384d ago
Screencap of what happened.

http://i.imgur.com/juBTnEI....

You have to know how serious this situation is when someone like me agrees with Phil Fish (which never happened)...

"why would I want to live there"

Jesus christ talk about a PR nightmare.
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delboy  +   383d ago
You just don't get it,it's for your own good, MS knows what's best for you guys.
PixlSheX  +   383d ago
^ you should probably add the /s man.
brave27heart  +   383d ago
That sound you're hearing is the PR division of Microsoft going into meltdown. Always on is a divisive idea but handled well MS could have limited the damage caused.

Handled like this turns them into the bad guys and MS will be forced into making a statement now. They cant stay silent on the issue now can they? Its left a bad taste in gamers mouths and surely the longer they stay silent the more damage is done. I dont expect he'll be staying in his role much longer, if he even manages to stay employed with the company.
Kurt Russell  +   383d ago
Tbh, if it goes this way I may be tempted to pick up a Wii U as my secondary console this time round.
jcnba28  +   383d ago
Yes like Nintendo really need any help LMAO
TOGC  +   384d ago
Guy locked the tweets on his twitter account.
b_one  +   383d ago
they are both morons... if its a joke, for sure its a damage control now.
Gildarts  +   384d ago
Hahaha come on guys this is so obviously a fake account. Microsoft does not comment on rumors, EVER!! If this is real we wIll know soon enough, He will get fired if this is real.

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Root  +   384d ago
Depends on how long he's had twitter

If he's had twitter a while and has always said he works at Microsoft then surely they would of outted him by now incase he did do any damage control.

I guess they could fire him and then say the next day that he's a fake to cover their tracks. Anything is possible
aviator189  +   384d ago
http://forum.teamxbox.com/s... - is this the same adam orth who, as a sony designer, dissed halo??

if true, i can't believe ms would hire someone like him..
Simon_Brezhnev  +   384d ago
Pretty sure its real since his old colleague David Jaffe is sending him tweets 2.
MariaHelFutura  +   383d ago
The account is real.
MariaHelFutura  +   384d ago
Between this and the "watermarked" comment from the president of Eidos, it's not hard to tell where this is headed.
dark-hollow  +   383d ago
Seriously! If the next Xbox is always online I swear I will NOT buy it in a million years!

No matter how great it games or if gives you free blowjobs. The rumours about no used games is bad enough, but requiring always online? Screw this crap! Virgin internet get shitty sometimes and I won't like it when my console refusing to allow me to continue my OFFLINE SINGLEPLAYER game just because am not online.
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3-4-5  +   383d ago
Aaaaaaaannnnnddd Fired !
supremacy  +   383d ago
idk man all these rumors and then there's the second part answer to this guys first question which... http://www.youtube.com/watc... you guys can decide what to make of it.
DivineAssault  +   383d ago
Let them defend him.. Some people need to find things out the hard way.. Theres times when i dont want ppl to know im online playing so i turn my internet off.. Good to know ill be ok to do what i please on PS4
KwietStorm  +   383d ago
I'd rather they just add a privacy setting. Been asking for it for years on PS3.
sak500  +   383d ago
Do you know 360 has privacy settings which will let you show offline to all or to all except friends so friends can only see that you're online?

On topic: Even though i've got 16mbps always online connection i wouldn't go for next box if it's a "REQUIREMENT". There goes my 74k gamer score and tons of games. Guess will stick it with 360 as long as there are games coming for it then jump ship to ps4.
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DivineAssault  +   383d ago
yup but theres times when i dont want to play online at all.. Dark souls for example where being online allows phantoms to interrupt you when doing a critical objective.. Its not about that though, what about when maintenance is going on & xbl is down? Or theres a network outage in your area? Then what? not play at all? No thanks.. My games wont be reliant on the internet & i wont scramble for HDD space because all my games need to be fully installed..
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potenquatro  +   383d ago
Horrible news... Well, Sony went insane and now they've just fallen short of shaking everyone's hand and apologizing. It was Sega before that, and Atari before them. Guess it's MS's turn. Something about mid life makes these console makers get hotflashes and go insane. Bigger news still is how Nintendo can sell the Wii and VirtualBoy with a straight face and still be alive. God bless those bastards. Loving my Wii U tho, wrote this comment on it ^_^
KwietStorm  +   383d ago
"Bigger news still is how Nintendo can sell the Wii and VirtualBoy with a straight face and still be alive. God bless those bastards."

Ahahahah man that was some genuine funny sh*t
TwistedMetal  +   383d ago
I agreed with you and the disagrees you got is the number of people who will be playing the x720 and that's not very many. Have fun having no one to play with or against on the x720. While everyone is gaming on the ps4 like its black Friday. Everyone will be up on the ps4 during Christmas and on mics and online.
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DOMination-  +   383d ago
Why is everyone here so afraid of this? Are you all accessing n4g from a library or something? If your internet keeps getting cut off then.. I dont wanna be rude but get better internet.

My PC, 360 and PS3 are always connected and so is everyone on all my friends lists. Its really not a big deal. Anyway, this was a bit of banter with his mate so people shouldnt be offended with him sounding rude as it was someone he knows
Cam977  +   383d ago
Mindlessly defending a huge corporation that doesn't give two *****s about you. Wow... Just drop it, PC gamers will, and always have agreed that the feature in question is awful. Just buy a ps4.
Quelqui  +   383d ago
I can't get better internet. I live in an area of my city where everyone's internet is messed up. It really sucks.

I guess no nextbox for me.
JeffGUNZ  +   383d ago
Some of the people on this site are either constant trolling status or just complete morons. There is still NOTHING that says you NEED an internet connection to use the system. This most likely sounds like the system will have better features and/or benefits if it is always connected. "Always on, Always Connected". If a rational, non-fanboy mind thinks about it, you'd come to an idea that the system will be on, even when you shut down, to a low power mode (always on) and it will do updates/maintenance for the system, games saved on HD, etc (always connected). We have not seen ANYTHING saying it won't work offline. Oh wait, we all tend to believe "anonymous sources" now, right?
JeffKaos  +   383d ago
I get what you're saying, I have a pretty good internet connection and for me it's definitely not a big deal but there's no argument that will convince me that always online is a good thing. Privacy issues aside one reason I don't support this is that my son will be old enough to play games in a few years and quite frankly I don't want him to be online while he plays games.
Tapioca Cold  +   383d ago
You assume all things are facts on this site. Just cause he said those thingsdoes it in no way prove that the next xbox is always online. Its all still speculation at this point. Now that's a fact.
Dee_Cazo  +   383d ago
This wasn't real boys...the "argument" you are seeing are between two friends joking around.

Why would Microsoft announce this already controversial feature when everything else is under lock n key.

But by all means exploit something that was already made a farse for traffic, and then let the sony fanboys lose their minds into thinking they "won" something.

FYI - you don't win anything when you end up spending $500 in the end either way. But by all means throw your allegiance around.
irokster  +   383d ago
If you dont think you "win" after spending $500 on something, why would you think about buying it in the first place? I know that if I spent those $500 on a PS4, I would not be losing. Maybe gaming isnt the right hobby for you.
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nosferatuzodd  +   383d ago
in this case i told you so just doesn't cut it LOL I TOLD U SO LOL
I guess if this rumor is true then all the others might be has well , sucks to be an xbox only guy thats why i have all 3 systems when one fails guess what on to the next one on to the next one
iGamerZero24  +   383d ago
Looks like I'm only Getting a PS4 and continue to play my PS3 till it runs its course
nosferatuzodd  +   383d ago
me too hell no im buying this big brother illuminate spying machine
Discover   383d ago | Spam
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   383d ago
So instead of dismantling the rumor he defends it? Whelp, guess that settles that.
TheSurg  +   383d ago
Aparently Aaron Greenberg, chief of staff at ms does not know who the hell this Orth is. Looks like he's a hoax.
Ashlen  +   383d ago
Ya know, I almost thought MS would read all the feedback and change there tune before the announcement.

But no, it's going to be like Windows 8 where the number one request in the beta was bring back the start button and normal Windows functionality and they didn't listen.

Microsoft refuses to give the consumer what it wants instead trying to ram what it wants you to have down your throat. (or up your rear)

Well we can all hope 720 is half as popular and Windows 8.
r1sh12  +   383d ago
While I do fully agree always online is a very bad idea, many people are blowing this out of pespective.
This guy is part of the Microsoft studios, and he's a creative director, he has say in games and probably a small amount of influence in what goes into the nextbox.
He is not part of the entertainment division who are the ones who decide what goes in the nextbox.

But seriously if it does end up being always online Im not buying it, lets not also forget if it is the case of always online Im sure a very nice lawsuit in the good ol' USA will make them correct it.

Gotta love class actions.

And Adam Orth is a complete clown
Kingscorpion81  +   383d ago
I can deal with it... by purchasing a PS4.
MYSTERIO360  +   383d ago
I hope this is true so it will make my next console purchasing decision much easier.
otherZinc  +   383d ago
Nothing.
This is nothing.
NOTHING has been announced.
PS3 Fanboys cant make a Major Corporation say anything!
CapsLocke  +   383d ago
Gave you the 209th like with all my heart. This M$'s fuck is unbelievable.
Chuk5  +   384d ago
I almost hope this is true so MS eats so humble pie like Sony did, and think practically. The roles are looking like they're gonna reverse this year.
LOGICWINS  +   384d ago
Your under the assumption that this is some sort of death sentence for the 720, when it reality there are a lot of uninformed gamers that wouldn't see a problem with this.

Remember, these people think paying a yearly fee to use THEIR OWN Internet connection to play online is NORMAL. MS knows their community better than anyone. They wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like this if they didn't think people would bite.

This has been the story all generation. People online make fun of Gears for being a "dude bro" game, but in the real world the Gears franchise has sold over 20 million.

People say Halo is generic, yet in reality the franchise has sold over 50 million units.

If Microsoft decides to do it, I strongly doubt the majority of gamers would have a problem with it. Outside of the Internet, I've heard no one complaining about an always on Xbox 720.
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Mikeyy  +   384d ago
The reality is that only 40 million 360 users have Gold accounts.

So the 720 can expect to sell... 40 million consoles.. It just alienated over HALF it's userbase.

Even If you argue they can be silver, You still have a chunck of 360 users who don't use online period.
LOGICWINS  +   384d ago
Just because a good chunk of 360 users don't use online doesn't mean they don't have it. Maybe they CHOOSE not to be Gold members because they aren't fans of playing online and would rather play local co-op with friends. I could name two family members of the top of my head who have Internet connections but don't hook their 360 up to it.
HammadTheBeast  +   384d ago
You're grasping at straws now, did they learn nothing from Sim City and Diablo? Yes, a lot of sheep will buy it, but if the PS4 does something better, that's a sale lost, and + for Sony.
LOGICWINS  +   383d ago
^^Another person who lives exclusively in Internet land. Just because Plus is a better deal than XBL doesn't mean it will be the more successful service. Advertising is a major factor.

HALF of 360 owners are Gold subscribers. Not even 10% of PSN users are Plus subscribers...despite it being the better valued service.

So no, Microsoft(in reality) isn't losing Gold sales to Plus...at least not on a major quantifiable scale.

If the "better" deal was automatically the more successful one, then the Wii wouldn't have owned this gen and the Vita would be outselling the 3DS 3-1. You forget that word of mouth, brand awareness, and marketing are major factors.

How will consumers choose Plus over Gold when most don't even know what Plus is?
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kreate  +   383d ago
@logic

'Not even 10% of PSN users are Plus subscribers'

Where are u getting the 10% from?

Cuz when I look at my friends list, im surprised at how many psn users are plus members.
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NonApplicable  +   383d ago
I agree somewhat. I honestly can't believe that Microsoft would risk such a large portion of their audience. At the same time, such a drastic move indicates they have a justification for requiring an internet connection.

It's ridiculous how many people are dismissing the next Xbox based on a sliver of rumor. Judge once we have the full details.

Microsoft needs to have a compelling reason for being "always online". If it's simply for piracy, the next Xbox's public perception will likely be severely crippled.
solidjun5  +   383d ago
@kreate He tends to pull numbers out from the air.
Roles are going to be reversed? So Xbox will be the best console next gen because of more hardcore games?
Chuk5  +   384d ago
I mean, sony came in arrogantly this gen (and in someways understandably so), and MS was hungry for success.
n to the b  +   384d ago
and in some ways understandably so

Chuk5 what do you mean?
Prophet-Gamer  +   383d ago
@n to the b

Sony ruled the market for two generations straight, and I believe some developers have said that during the PS2 era they were arrogant and tough to work with. Though the PS3 is still a great success and will almost definitely be their their third console to sell 100 million, I believe this gen really showed SONY they are definitely not invincible.
MikeMyers  +   384d ago
What role is that? You know what's amazing, how often the gaming community on forums differ from the mainstream public. How many here bash Live fees (myself included)? Yet they seem to be doing ok in that area aren't they? How many here bashes Diablo III and it's online connections having to be enabled? Didn't that game sell over 13 million copies? How many people here have their PS3's, Xbox 360's and Wii U's connected online all the time? How many here use Steam and love Steam yet it too needs to be connected to get the game started?

In no way am I defending the rumors of the Xbox requiring an online connection. I hope they don't, but don't think for second that all of this riff-raff that occurs on game forums is parallel to real world purchases.

We live in a connected society now, we link our Facebook accounts with various devices, we check our e-mails and use Twitter and get news feeds to our devices all day long. Valve does extremely well and all of their content is sold digitally. Microsoft may indeed require a connection but I just don't see the new Xbox not working if the net goes down. We've seen it before with the Playstation Network for over a month, can you imagine not even being able to play offline for that long on the new Xbox? It's not going to happen that way. They may require some validation but to require a constant connection? I seriously doubt it. Not unless Microsoft wants to be open for complete failure when the connection fails.

We already seen the hoopla that happens when there are issues with Xbox Live and how unhappy customers are. If people cannot access anything that would scar Microsoft much more than the RRoD ever did.

LOGICWINS
"Outside of the Internet, I've heard no one complaining about an always on Xbox 720."

That's what we call an oxymoron.
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cyguration  +   383d ago
You don't need Steam to be online to start a game.

Comcast has been going out EVERYDAY this week off and on ALL DAY.

Guess what? I had Steam login in offline mode and I'm still able to play my games fine.

If MS lets you play your games in offline mode when you choose to, then that's one thing, but having to always be connected just to start and play your games is bullcrap and anti-consumer.

It would mean that I wouldn't have been able to play any games on Xbox 720 this week consistently with the net service constantly going out.

If MS confirms this to be true it's an easy PS4 buy for me.
MikeMyers  +   383d ago
cyguration,

You need to be connected to Steam to buy the game and verify through Steams service. If you buy a product outside of Steam you have to put in a code. This is a far more likely scenario with the new Xbox rather than always having to be connected just to play.
insomnium2  +   383d ago
Look at Mike going the extra mile to defend Micro. Is this really the same guy who says everyone is a PS3 fanboy?
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JeffGUNZ  +   383d ago
@ Insomnium2.

You're calling out Mike for defending MS? Give me a break. Mike has a valid point, all you sony fanboys don't. All this crap is just RUMORS from "anonymous sources" that pathetic online gaming "journalists" post so they can get hits. MS has said NOTHING about next gen. and will only do so when they want. The "defending" Mike is doing is implicating that this is highly unlikely and rumors. That's fact. These are all rumors. I'm not saying one way or the other what the nextbox will have, but I will wait till I actually hear FACTS from MS before I judge.
MikeMyers  +   383d ago
JeffGUNZ,

Don't worry about it. What we have are people who choose sides and want to clash with anyone who doesn't share their pessimism. Trouble is I don't have a side. I already said before the PS4 looks great so far yet he thinks I am somehow favoring the next Xbox. Makes no sense at all but people like him aren't here for reasoning, they like the conflict.

It would be very foolish for Microsoft to have a system that requires an online connection at all times. Out of the 75 million + Xbox 360 owners less than half are even Gold members and I imagine not of all the 75 million owners are even always connected. Look at all the hoopla when the Playstation network went down for over a month and what happened with SimCity. Can you imagine the next Xbox being like that and customers not being able to access any game?

They could have a validation system. Like we see when you buy used games now and trying to access the online portions. My PS3 is on all the time. I am also a PLus member and it wouldn't be as useful if I wasn't connected all the time. But again that isn't to defend MS, it's the reality we live in today.
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TOGC  +   384d ago
Oh my...
joecanada  +   384d ago
Ya ... But srsly all the rumours on these systems was always true .. No real secrets were shockers
Munky  +   384d ago
If this is a confirmation from a MS employee that the Nextbox will infact be always on, he should be fired. Devs and journalist are bound by the NDA, so I doubt the brass at MS are very happy with this guy running his mouth.
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BitbyDeath  +   384d ago
He didn't confirm it, just stated it is the future and people should embrace it :-p
Root  +   384d ago
In a small way he kind of did....I mean I see it as him trying to defend the decision early so he doesn't have to do it too much after it's actually revealed.

Calming people down before launch
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M-M  +   383d ago
He indirectly confirmed it =P.
JeffGUNZ  +   383d ago
or he's being a smart a$$, or he isn't a real employee, or it's a fake account, etc...That's the thing with the internet folks, you can't believe everything you see.
GamersRulz  +   384d ago
Now thinking about the situation, why would anyone even invest in such a machine,

inferior specs.
less exclusives.
forced DRM.
must install disc.

Seems like xbox division are run by middle-aged business men who knows nothing about gaming, they are handing US marketshare to Sony in a silver plate, EU/JP will suffer even more because of this.

God have mercy on Xbox only gamers.
BitbyDeath  +   384d ago
"Seems like xbox division are run by middle-aged business men who knows nothing about gaming"

There was already a thread about that.

http://au.gamespot.com/foru...
flyingmunky  +   383d ago
It will have to be a cheaper console then. No way they can have all those negatives and stay relevant otherwise.
TheDivine  +   383d ago
If all that was true it would still be comparable to the ps4 and run the same games. Now imagine the ps4 is 450 and the 720 is 199 or maybe even 99 dollars with a. 2 year xbl sub? I think it would be a smash hit and a clear winner sales wise. I would prob even get one down the road and I hate the idea of online for consoles, steam, vita games, basically everything that requires it. My issue is if I want to play games years later would they drop the requirement? Prob not. They would prob make all games work on future system similar to how steam keeps one game library whether you upgrade to a new pc so whatever system or gen all games work, full bc.

Still my only sure bet is a WiiU. I'm not sold on any other console and the only way il pay for xbl is to get a steal on the console or if it allows free online and or offline play. I'm a 360 owner who never payed for live. I don't give half a shit for online just games. I'm thinking even if 40 million of us (people who don't pay for xbl) all skip this console MS won't even care. They make their cash on xbl so me buying a console and the dozen new games (the other dozen or two was used) doesn't really make enough cash for ms to care. They're catering to their base aka the people who pay. I don't think they care about sheer numbers and owning the living room because they carved out their market which prevents Sony dominance. Now its about revenue.
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xursz  +   383d ago
If it's 99 dollars I will consider it for exclusives but I will not pay for Live unless they adopt a rewards model like PS+
Pintheshadows  +   383d ago
Imagine indeed... I think you'll need to keep on imagining as well.
sak500  +   383d ago
"Seems like xbox division are run by middle-aged business men who knows nothing about gaming,"

I think they picked up lot of ex-sony guys.
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thechosenone  +   384d ago
Raul Julia was brilliant actor, gone much too soon. :'(

@OOG

Not sure if serious or just in total denial. lol

"id take any of this with a grain of salt... you guys blow things way out of proportion lol"
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Reborn  +   384d ago
Yeah, well you know it's not 'peoples' fault internet isn't up to scratch, and isn't cheap. But that's business. You need to be able to assess your market, and what would be acceptable.

Always on isn't, and will never be an acceptable method. Far too many potential consequences.
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OOG  +   384d ago
id take any of this with a grain of salt... you guys blow things way out of proportion lol

Also it doesn't seem like he was really defending the idea as much as trolling others most likely bothering him with the question lmao
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rainslacker  +   384d ago
I don't take this as confirmation. But it's not very professional, and with the lack of MS actually saying anything, it's pretty natural that people will take this to mean something, particularly given his position within MS.

I will still debate the idea that it's a bad move, even though I still find it highly unlikely that they would do this in the end. I'm still keenly interested in what MS is going to bring next gen...but if this pans out to be true, I won't have to bother with them at all.

Edit@below

I have no problem waiting and seeing before passing judgement, however in the meantime I will happily voice my opinion on the concept regardless of which company it may be rumored for.

If this was indeed from someone inside MS, then it's very unprofessional to talk to the consumer like that, even if this guy was being trolled by the community. It's a hot button topic right now, and it dismisses peoples actual concerns, acting like everyone is a troll.
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OOG  +   384d ago
I think everyone should calm down and wait and see....the gaming news seems to be getting recycled every week at this moment..

If its true it sucks....

If it isn't true a lot of people look like nutjobs.
BlackTar187  +   383d ago
OOG well said. If this stuff ends up not being true and it totally can then people are nutjobs.
BlackTar187  +   383d ago
Jek please explain your hate for ps4? stupid n4g why did this post up here?
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Belking  +   384d ago
Good points. Always online isn't as bad as people make it seem. Devices are already doing it anyway.
a_bro  +   384d ago
"Always online isn't as bad as people make it seem. Devices are already doing it anyway."

tell that to the people who play Diablo 3 and Sim City.
ceedubya9  +   384d ago
I think that the important thing here is to determine what "always online" really means. Always online and REQUIRED to be online can be completely different. The two so far are being talked about as the same thing in rumors, and this may not necessarily be the case.
cl1983  +   384d ago
Or maybe its a;ways on and online like the ps4 always keeping your games updated with a quick start up.
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BitbyDeath  +   384d ago
Why then would he make this comparison?

"Sometimes the electricity goes out, I will not purchase a vacuum cleaner."

Vac won't work without electricity so therefore the comparison means Xbox won't work without the internet.

In the immortal words of Peter Moore - "Ya know, things break"
rainslacker  +   384d ago
Great...what benefit does making a console require always online actually provide for the consumer? There's a difference between a luxury and a necessity. Just because a device requires it to be connected to work(like a cell phone) doesn't mean that every device needs to be connected, particularly if that device doesn't require a connection to work(like a console). The only logical reason for it is to control the consumer.

There's nothing wrong with having it optional...we already have that...but having it mandatory is just bad sense, unless there is some ulterior motive to it.
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greyhaven33  +   383d ago
Exactly, I see no reason it needs to always be online. Internet connections for many people are not reliable enough for this yet
majiebeast  +   383d ago
Keep drinking that Microsoft Koolaid like a good boy.
Dmarc  +   383d ago
Does someone really need to list all of the differences between devices thats always on and consoles ? And why an always on console is a horrible money hungry idea ?
jaixvx  +   383d ago
always connected console mean if you don't have internet you won't be able to play any games on your system. simple as that.
Williamson  +   384d ago
This dude sounds like an ass from all is tweets.
Nikhil  +   384d ago
lol.
whoyouwit04  +   384d ago
I call BS on this, there is now way he could come out and confirm in always on connection and be that big of in ass hole and still have his job when microsoft doesn't even want the smallest bit of info being leaked. And how do you know this is even his real twitter account?
Pintheshadows  +   383d ago
David Jaffe is his personal friend and has been sending him tweets of support trying to get people to lay off him.

Jaffe actually said he was a nice guy. To be honest though Jaffe made good games but he is a bit of a penis most of the time. I don't consider his character reference to hold much weight.
BlackTar187  +   383d ago
lol jaffee makes fun games but he is a bit of a "Penis" lol i agree
Lucreto  +   384d ago
It looks like the third generation curse still lives.
Sony must've skipped that curse.
Lucreto  +   384d ago
You must have forgot about the period from 2006-2008.

All the references the 360 fanboys used for years. You know the ones $699, Ridge Racer Giant Enemy Crab etc.
Bathyj  +   384d ago
Sony got the curse, but for them its eventually selling 100m consoles, but doing it slightly slower and everyone hating them for it.

Still a good effort.
Prodigy-X  +   384d ago
This pretty much confirms it.
ropelli90  +   383d ago
To me it sounds like he is being sarcastic. Who would want their every device including their vacuum cleaner to be always on?
Pintheshadows  +   383d ago
It is called a bad analogy.

For your sake though, I hope you were not being serious.
ropelli90  +   381d ago
Well, I don't know. English isn't my native language so you may be right. But I thought that maybe he made those analogies as bad as they were on purpose.
Rhaigun  +   384d ago
Did he really compare the internet to electricity? There's a problem with that logic, idiot. Electricity is everywhere. The internet is not.
riverstars86  +   384d ago
Technically not, but electricity is more readily available than internet. lol
Rhaigun  +   384d ago
In the countries the Xbox will be on sale, electricity is readily available. Not so for internet.
Qrphe  +   384d ago
Vaccum cleaners run on electricity while games have been running without Internet for decades; logic is clearly flawed.
riverstars86  +   383d ago
I'm not happy about needed internet to play the new Xbox, but I was just stating electricity isn't available everywhere in the U.S. and Canada. Clearly I'm talking about the boondocks, but it is true nonetheless.
sak500  +   383d ago
Why not make next box run on gasoline as well.. MS can earn more from petroleum corporations.
Rhaigun  +   382d ago
Then those people won't be getting an Xbox will they Riverstar? Your logic is flawed as well.
2pacalypsenow  +   384d ago
What a dick
soultecc  +   384d ago
I would enjoy smashing this guys annoying looking face in with a sledge hammer
refocusedman  +   384d ago
Is that a necessary comment? Last time I checked this is just a comment abt a new system that has yet to be announced.
soultecc  +   383d ago
actually yes it is he is downgrading ppl
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ded1020  +   384d ago
Witcher sux
soultecc  +   383d ago
you suck
rainslacker  +   384d ago
Hmmm...yeah tell the consumer to get with the times. Very professional there. This is the same as the crap as all those publishers and devs who tout digital distribution. They talk it up, but don't address the very real issues that people have with it.

His first example doesn't fit, as electricity is pretty ubiquitous. His second...you know what there are people who don't purchase cell phones because they can't get reception. Who'd a thought consumers wouldn't spend money on something they can't use.

Hate to tell you this Adam...many people are with the times, they just don't want always on DRM, and the internet has at no point proven itself to be reliable to sustain a 24/7 connection without any ramifications at some point in a consumers use of it. There is no good reason for an always online connection to require the use of a console. So unless MS can convince me otherwise, I'll continue to say how it's a bad idea...even though I doubt MS will go this route.
Qrphe  +   384d ago
>Hmmm...yeah tell the consumer to get with the times. Very professional there.

That reminds me of Kutaragi telling people to work overtime to earn the PS3 when it came out. Of course, Sony has gone through enough humbling since then (thankfully).
sak500  +   383d ago
"Hmmm...yeah tell the consumer to get with the times."

LOL yep see what happened to "customers will work 2 jobs to buy a ps3"

edit: Damn didn't read Orphe post before posting mine, practically the same thing...
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Bathyj  +   384d ago
First up, is this guy legit? Does he really work for MS? It sounds like bollocks. If he does work for them now, he may not be tomorrow.

Preceding with my comment, presuming those comments are true, I have said pretty much nothing on this always on subject from the start, because I assumed it was a lot of talk and speculation and MS wouldnt be dumb enough to actually go through with it, but if this is for real, then does that confirm that the DRM is for real?

I'd still prefer to know more before I form any opinion on it, but wow, that sucks. MS need to say something soon, this craps gotten out of hand, and no I dont believe all publicity is good publicity. Even coming out now and saying yes, everything you've heard is true would be better than just saying nothing all.

Anyway, I still think it sounds fake.
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MariaHelFutura  +   383d ago
It's real. The account is real. He works for MS. So....yeah.
sherimae2413  +   384d ago
ok ill deal with it... buy going all the way to PS4! ^_^
rainslacker  +   384d ago
Get with the times...buy a PS4.:)
tristanwerbe  +   383d ago
why not buy all?
Hicken  +   383d ago
Why buy something you don't want to buy?
MikeMyers  +   383d ago
Then why continue commenting in topics about products you don't have any interest in buying?
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silvacrest  +   384d ago
this just sucks, no matter how they deploy it, always on internet is not an option for everyone
Sarobi  +   384d ago
It's becoming a little clearer now. He made his twitter private but here is a few highlights I have:

http://imgur.com/a/Lwkej
Rusty515  +   384d ago
I honestly want this new Xbox to be online only. Not because I like the idea of it, but because I want Microsoft to know how you can't just F over your consumers like this. They need to find out the hard way like Sony did. They've grown way to cocky. Maybe then, Microsoft will straighten up and start taking their video game market more seriously.
Gildarts  +   384d ago
Hahaha come on guys this is so obviously a fake account. Microsoft does not comment on rumors, EVER!! If this is real we wIll know soon enough, He will get fired if this is real.
Zha1tan  +   384d ago
oh dear, sorry 343 looks like I won't be completing your Halo series after all.

You can go MS if you think I am purchasing this dump.
Jek_Porkins  +   384d ago
Well the account is legit, I've followed for a while now. The big difference between always on, and being forced to always be on to play is pretty significant. I realize always on is something companies are pushing for, we've seen it with Diablo 3, Sim City and soon with Destiny.

It will be interesting to see what comes from this, I definitely wouldn't be interested in not being able to play games without a constant connection. I also understand the future is taking us to all digital and probably always online, but when the internet goes out, or the next console is released, I'll want to continue playing my games that I paid for.

This is far from confirmation, I might end up being a Nintendo only console owner for the next generation.
StrongMan  +   383d ago
Why would a MS employee defend something that isn't true? Yep, this confirms it. The next Xbox will be required to always be online. I was holding out for Killer Instinct 3 but even if it's a launch title I WILL Not buy an always online console. No thank you, MS. This will force every Xbox owner to pay for XBL. HELL NO!
Jek_Porkins  +   383d ago
Well I highly doubt he is the only one with an opinion like that for always online, doesn't mean he speaks for Microsoft. I'm sure there are people at Nintendo and Sony who feel the same way, doesn't mean those consoles have that.

We are transitioning towards that aspect, but I would prefer not to at this time. Tweets aren't endorsements, but you can tell that the industry wants digital only and always online.

Big, BIG difference between always online and forced always online though.
Why o why  +   383d ago
jeese...your comment was so balanced then you add you'd only have a nintendo next gen...you really are relentless in your dislike for the console that may just be the best second option out there for those who prefer the 360...good luck with that anyway..We lose nothing lmao
mikemadden  +   384d ago | Well said
This is what happens when you defend a company's BS for years. People should have raised hell for them upping the price for live and countless other things. But you get what you pay for right???
amiga-man  +   383d ago
mikemadden

well said and bubble for saying it .
SonyPS4  +   383d ago
I am buying a PS4 and Wii U on the launch day of the 720.

Sony: 1
Nintendo: 1
Microsoft: 0
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Good_Guy_Jamal  +   384d ago
I go where the games that interest me go. That is why over the years I've had a NES, PS1, 2, 3 and X360. But there aren't enough games that can sell me to buying a console that requires me to be always online to play offline games.
No thank you Microsoft. It's been fun but no next gen xbox for me if all this is true.
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