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Submitted by jcnba28 1039d ago | opinion piece

Bushnell: Xbox 720 will win next-gen

Atari founder Nolan Bushnell bullish on Xbox 720, saying Microsoft's "strong software tools" will allow devs to make compelling software faster than on PS4.

Atari founder Nolan Bushnell has chosen Microsoft to emerge victorious against Sony in the next-generation console race. Speaking on GameTrailers' Rollin' With Nolan, the industry veteran claimed Sony will be held back by "lame" and difficult-to-understand software tools. (PS4, Wii U, Xbox One)

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Cocozero   1039d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(2)
Nitrowolf2  +   1039d ago | Well said
So he's pretty much putting it on good faith, since Sony with all three consoles have made tools that are much easier for Japanese than American developers to follow.

Isn't that in a way kind of a very tiny factor to base who will "win" next gen? I mean looking at this and last gen, studios still developed for both platform. I understand that the PS3 had development issues, but sounds like the PS4 is a walk in the park in comparison.

Software tools will be easy to learn after the first year, heck even today the PS3 isn't called doubt as much by developers for tough development as it was before.

I said as much, I remember left and right we had stories of developers saying how bad it was to develop for.

The xbox 720 will have a PC structure, least it should. My comment was only pointing out that easier development tools shouldn't really matter this time around, it'll have a small effect if anything. Multiplatform devs will still develop multiplat games.
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Neonridr  +   1039d ago
Bethesda may have a word or two about that.. Oblivion anyone?

The PS3 with it's unique architecture made developing for the PC based 360 a hundred times easier for developers. That's why multiplatform games almost always ran smoother or looked better on the 360, deveopers understood it easier.

Now you are correct with the PS4 being a developers dream, but that's because they based it on PC architecture, something you can bet the 720 will be based around.

It's too hard to guess at who is going to win next gen, but Sony obviously has come out swinging. You know that Microsoft isn't going release a console that isn't at least equal to, if not better than the specs of the PS4.

Cannot wait for the reveal though, at least it will make up my mind finally on which other console I will own to go along with my Wii U.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1039d ago
you prob should have just skipped the wii u and got the ps4 and 720. thats my plan lol
ArchieBunker   1039d ago | Spam
silenius  +   1039d ago | Well said
Gotta love...
How there is not even an official announcement of the next Xbox or its actual final specs, and yet you find articles like this one being "approved" by people.

You are getting a prediction by a person that his company failed in every way to keep up with technology (software and hardware wise). AND he claims to help you be/find the next Steve Jobs with his book.

Sounds LEGIT to me!
darthv72  +   1039d ago
in a way
I would have preferred sony stick to their roots by developing their next system (PS4) to their specification. Not to cater to industry developers.

I know that sounds odd but it would mean that those who are serious about coding for the machine need learn to use it right and keep the riff raff out.

Making it an easy to develop for platform....well i guess we can expect ET type of games for it soon enough. And how well did ET turn out for you Nolan????

sorry, that was in poor taste. I have no doubts that "sony" will deliver, its all the other companies that i worry about seeing as its the 3rd parties that make up the lions share of any platform.

Hopefully (and this is really being hopeful) that development cost will drop due to familiarity of programming because the PS4 (and possibly 720) will be more akin to PC's. that way these companies can put in the effort of making good games instead of cheap cash cow ones.

With things the way they are, i doubt any of these platform holders have the gumpshin to turn away a game because it doesnt meet their standards, if they try and enforce standards at all.
Jobesy  +   1039d ago | Well said
Well Sony bested MS last gen and they edged out MS this gen yet again. What would make next gen any different?
gamertk421  +   1039d ago
There are things called trends which can help predict where we may end up. Are they always accurate? No. But they can be telling.
GameNameFame  +   1039d ago
PS Vita
Has easy dev kit for US developers.

So that destroys his entire premises?
Thats a very weak argument.
NewMonday  +   1039d ago
"Microsoft's strong software tools will allow devs to make compelling software faster than on PS4"

guess that's why Durango will get games like the Witness first.. oh wait
KillerBBs  +   1039d ago
I was wondering why my PS3 was better than the xbox 360 but just didnt look as good.

Colonel Sanders is a stud. I found what he said to be very educational.

He nailed it!

As a PS supporter I truely hope that sony takes note of what he said and improve your system.

Why are people so sensitive about constructive criticism.
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KillerBBs  +   1039d ago
Oh, why keep score...
MS blasted us out of the water... I take no pleasure in lying to myself.
do you?
MaxXAttaxX  +   1039d ago
I don't think he's heard much info about the PS4 and its dev-friendly tools....
Is he speculating based on what was said about the PS3 a while back?
Maybe he should listen to what actual game developers today are saying about it.

Also, multiplatform games are released simultaneously.
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Peppino7  +   1039d ago
Maybe if Sony and Nintendo remove themselves from the race.
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morganfell  +   1039d ago
The only predictor of the future that beats an endorsement by Bushnell would be a Michael Pachter vote of confidence. Ooops too late.
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Reportillo4  +   1039d ago
i was planning on giving you an agree until you said you had a wii u :(
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Tito08  +   1039d ago
@ darthv72- I agree. It was for the most part western PC devs that have being complaining about hard coding, ever since Microsoft started this gen with the 360, most PC devs started getting on board, & now they act like if they're the ones that only matters in the development world.

It's funny how John Carmack wasn't very pleased with the PS3 but praised easy development on 360, yet his company made Quake 4, Enemy Territory & Rage, totally horrible games. These devs demanded PATCHES for their games, while console devs, such as Kojima & others, didn't really need any of that, Portal 2 turned out pretty good on PS3, in other words, they didn't really have any excuse, you prove to be a great developer based on your skills, not based on easy tools because obviously, there are games that were done on the easiest platform & still sucked. As much as people love Bethesda, the made 3 or 4 games that came out for PS3 as well, so they really didn't have any excuse with Skyrim at all.

So they complain about PS3 being hard to code for, but then we look at Demon's Souls, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, God Of War, GT5, Journey, Little Big Planet, plus 3rd parties like Vanquish, Castlevania, MGS4, MGR, Tekken Tag 2, SF x Tk, Yakuza, & LA Noire. All those games started development on the hardest-to-develop-for machine, even Criterion Games liked developing games on PSs due to the PC-less architecture.

Also these guys were talking crap about the Japanese taking too long to finish their games. Well, they forgot there was Starcraft 2 & Duke Nukem Forever(Yeah it took almost forever to be done) each took over a decade to be finished. While I don't know how StarC 2 turned down, DNF will forever be a big floppy & commercial failure.

All of this reminds me of both the Saturn & PS2. Saturn was hard to code for & sold poorly, but was one of the best consoles in regards to 2D games, especially the fighting games looking true to the arcade, good technical advantage over both PS1/N64 at the time. While PS2, also hard to code for, but had great selection of games, & it's by far the world's best selling home console, so I could careless about those industry/PC devs, as I don't buy consoles for their games.

To Nolan Bushnell, well, you could be right since Microsoft does smart business & has a lot of money to defend their strategies like you tried to imply. But you might recieve a taste of your own medicine in the form of Mark Cerny, your ex employee, working on the PS4, & seems like his influence in the console's development won over most developers, & that speaks volumes.
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NateCole  +   1039d ago
@Darth. Good points but i think it would have been suicide for Sony to ignore devs gripes come next gen.

@gamerTk421. Trend you say?. Sony had everything to loss this gen like Nintendo did back in the PS1 era. The difference though is Sony completely took all the oppertunities they were given and decimated the competition. MS didn't do that this gen. Infact when all is said and done the PS3 will reach 100 million and MS is in last place.

Coming into this gen Sony had most of 3rd party exclusive and market share to loose as everyone started from zero. Infact MS had all the current marketshare to themselves for a year.

In the PS1 era Nintendo the prime console holder going into the 6th gen lost virtually everything by the end to Sony. There was no parity as it is the case now with Sony and MS. Even 3rd party titles that use to be on Nintendo became exclusive to Sony unlike this gen where most just go multi-plat.

My point is it really hard for the top dog to stay at the top because they have everything to lose and the underdog has everything to gain like it was the case with Nintendo and Sony in the 6th and Sony with MS in the 7th.

This gen is the best MS can do against Sony as such i doubt they would be able to do any better.
joab777  +   1039d ago
MS may win next gen but I think PS will be more popular with hardcore gamers. And it will have nothing to do with its ease to build concerning big budget games. Does he forget that the ps3 was a nightmare and that its online didn't compare and yet they have sold similar numbers of consoles. Its the wii that sold near 100 million. So yeah I think MS will sell more consoles because of its target audience but PS will thrive because of its target aThere is still room for 2.
sikbeta  +   1038d ago
In US+UK it's a given :D
pixelsword  +   1038d ago
Totally Baseless.

This is a waste of time.
aceitman  +   1039d ago
I don't think he saw the ps4 announcement , maybe he didn't get invited , ps4 is made for easy development . and what has Atari done lately. and sony has done fine with software on the ps3 ,so imagine how it will do with the ease of developing on ps4 .
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negative  +   1039d ago
what has atari done lately lol

typical response

y u mad?
Qrphe  +   1039d ago
"y u mad?"

Reddit, please leave
HammadTheBeast  +   1039d ago

Atari really hasn't done all that much lately.
neoMAXMLC  +   1039d ago | Well said
Atari went bankrupt that's what. lol
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Freedomland  +   1039d ago
Somebody has started the internet buzz train, too many positive articles have been unleashed about xbox720. I think Microsoft is going to announce the box this month.
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pixelsword  +   1038d ago
Atari went south ever since the 5200.
Blackhawk3  +   1039d ago | Well said
I'll go with the reaction of all my Xbox friends and coworkers and safely claim that they all want a PlayStation next gen. Their words, not mine.
Knight_Crawler  +   1039d ago
So your 50 million friends have decided to get a PS4 instead of a 720...please tell me the name of this fantasy world you live in?
kreate  +   1039d ago

Everyone pretty much wants a ps4 cuz there is no xbox720 that exist.

When xbox720 does get announced, things will change.

The name of his fantasy world doesnt matter.
Hayabusa 117  +   1039d ago
I agree with Blackhawk3. I love my 360 and still play it more now than my PS3, but at the moment I'm thinking of investing my money into Sony.
dedicatedtogamers  +   1039d ago
Just out of curiosity, what was the last successful console, or game company, or GAME that Nolan Bushnell oversaw? Coming up blank? That's because it has been decades.

This article is flamebait from an industry dinosaur who is out of touch with reality. He might be right. He might be wrong. But he's not the one to ask.
MoveTheGlow  +   1039d ago
The Atari Jaguar! "Do the math!"
The Atari Lynx! "I hope you like batteries!"
yeah, no :P
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Eyeco  +   1039d ago

the Atari 5200 and 7800 were never too hot either that's 4 generations of failure
rainslacker  +   1039d ago
To be fair, Bushnell left Atari long before those devices came out. He was forced out in 1978 due to disputes over the 2600.

Other than that, I agree with dedicated. The guy has been around a while, and he is an industry icon, but this statement of his does come off as uneducated, particularly since we have numerous developers saying that the PS4 is the exact opposite of what he is inferring.

Interesting fact, unrelated to Bushnell, did you know that many PS3(and likely PS4) devs use MS own visual studio software to create games? Who'd a thunk.
MoveTheGlow  +   1039d ago
Yeah. This guy does know who's behind the development of the PS4, right? Ya know, *not* people from Japan, really? You'd think he'd met Mark Cerny before, him being in the industry for so long...

...oh. He worked for Bushnell at Atari in 1982. Way to disregard some of your best old-school employees, Nolan.

"I think Steam has done a better job than most..." Hey, I'm agreeing with you now! "...on the PC side of the world." Ugh...

Go back to Chuck E. Cheese's, Bushnell.
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Mikeyy  +   1039d ago
This!! The devil is in the details, Bushnell is just butt hurt that Mark Cerny is still relevant and successfull and 9/10 gamers today don't have a clue who Bushnell is.

This has nothing to do with PS4 or 720, move along.
rainslacker  +   1039d ago
Bushnell left Atari before Cerny worked there. Given the reputation of the two, it's hard to imagine they have never met since Bushnell has stayed in the industry up until this day. Quite honestly though, Bushnell is given way too much credit over Atari's successes, but he did do some good things while he was there.
MoveTheGlow  +   1038d ago
And Mikeyy, the sad thing is that not enough gamers know who Cerny is either. And haven't played Marble Madness. \m/
Nilemonitors13  +   1039d ago
I've seen people that think about moving to Ps4 next gen in other sites, ign for example. So I think Ps4 will do great, only in America the xbox has any advantage, but im think that will change soon.
pete007  +   1039d ago
I am with Darthv, at this time we see multiplats run equql on both platforms, and even better on ps3 if its the lead Platform, right now devs have the right Tools to work with, the only ps3´s failure was the rsx, they inicially buold cell having in mind it would handle graphics, then they rushed to nvidia and they got screwed, if they had a top videao card even todays pc would have a hard time catching up,
indeed cell is a monster, now, if they kept to cell 2.0 or powerCell with enhanced architecture and more spu count, up to 5 times faster, and now a lot cheaper too, they would have built a super console hard to beat, even MSFT would think twice before releasing 720
NukaCola  +   1039d ago | Well said
Bushnell created Atari and they haven't done anything in almost 20 years.

Created touchscreen bar games....oh yeah

Chuck E

Shut up Nolan. Did you even watch the PS4 press conference? PS4 is more power, more user friendly, created by developers, fully supported by the indi community. You have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

He said Nintendo should abandon the unwanted DS? 15 million sold of 3DS and over 160mil DSs...God this is disgusting to watch.
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sengoku  +   1039d ago
This guy sounds just like the DUDE man.

man i got certain information, alright certain things have come to light and eh, has it ever occurred to you that eh, instead of uhh, you know running around uh uh, blaming me!, given the nature of all this new s**t, you know this eh eh could be a lot more uh uh complex, i mean, it's not just uh, it might not be such a simple uh uh, you know??

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Campy da Camper  +   1039d ago
Watch it man! There's a beverage here!
Oh_Yeah  +   1039d ago
The next Xbox will be using Direct X while PS4 will be using OpenGL...meaning once again the Xbox will be the lead platform for the majority of multiplats.
Oh_Yeah  +   1039d ago
Why the disagrees? I'm not hating on PlayStation.. I'm just x is now the standard most game developers use and it comes on Xbox dev kits so they then will port games to PS4 just like this gen, since the ps/xbox structures are going to be more similar...its pretty much all up to how the hardware stacks up against each other to determine which version of a game will be better.
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die_fiend  +   1039d ago
Stupid comments get disagrees
Oh_Yeah  +   1039d ago
@die_fiend they are facts though...There's nothing really to argue against, hence your little comment which says nothing..were most multiplats not developed on 360? Yeah they were, partially due to the tools available for direct x compared to what Sony gave in its variant of OpenGL. Maybe Sony has made everything a bit more friendly but still I think most devs are going to go with direct x for the most part since it's always up to date, they're used to it and pc games also use it.
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Mikeyy  +   1039d ago
You act like OpenGL is just foriegn to video game developers..
Autodidactdystopia  +   1039d ago
opengl IS foriegn to many Studios, at least most from the last decade.

opengl is a very very powerful api. In fact most corporate level graphic, design suites use opengl by choice. Due to its stability.

Directx as opposed to GL was designed from birth with gaming in mind. Where opengl took the stable route offering stuff like double precision etc; Directx took the speed route not meant to be used for complex computational accuracy, but to push the most efficient yet not always definite (accurate and repeatable simulations) code through the pipe as fast as it can.

for almost a decade gpu manufacturers, have targeted the dx side of their hardware optimization. If you want a good gl optimized gpu then you must buy the quadro or firepro lines of gpu's (and if you think pc gaming graphics cards are expensive....)

top of the line quadro and firepro cards cost upwards of $5000 while offering no better performance in gaming than a gtx580 or 7970

either way, what im saying is. that gl is common in the way that its always been around and is continuously updated, but it is VERY far from the standard to devs, dx is the standard.

may not be for the reasons you want or good reasons at all but it is just how it ended up

g2gshow  +   1039d ago
i did this i did that an now i'm broke he is being paid off like patcher or what ever his name is sound just like him GAMETRAILERs IS BEING PAID OFF!!
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JimmyDanger  +   1039d ago
Say something good about PS4 - of course the truth was said.

g2gshow  +   1039d ago
@jimmy danger lol
princejb134  +   1039d ago
Hardware does not win a gen software does
Sony has many exclusive studios on their side while MS has a few
BABYLEG  +   1039d ago
Wrong software.. He meant software
MYSTERIO360  +   1039d ago
I guess he hasn't been keeping up with all the PS4 news lately.
showtimefolks  +   1039d ago
Let's wait for for news about ps4 and next Xbox. It's hard to tell which is going to win when we know so little, AT GDC Sony went all indi debs Nd showed bunch of games and have programs where the fees are not much to bullish a game for PSN

Sny did everything it could to loose this gen

Expensive console
Came out after Xbox and in Europe a year and half
Very hard to develop for
No software support early on
A brand new PSN service that took some time to make it great
And PSN hack

So lets see all those things yet still on pace to be the most sold console for 3 straight gens. So now with a new console that fixes a lot of those issues now they are suppose to loose?

I just don't get it. I know America is a big market but don't act like Europe and Japan doesn't Matter when that's where Sony and Nintendo have huge fanbase

Bett marketing
Better launch price
More games at launch
Better so with cross gam chat and still free

And now hey suppose to loose
ps3_pwns  +   1039d ago
this gu dont know what hes talking about he was founder of atari? guess what happend to atari it died and nintendo stomped on that tail. he should of made predictions then. hastag game crash of th 1980's
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1039d ago
To be fair MS has shown they have tremendous stopping power. Just like how Sony had stopping power the past 2 gens.

I believe MS has the "potential" to win next gen just like Sony. But the funny thing is nobody really one this gen. Its a tie amongst Sony and MS.

I think Next gen will be just like this gen even. Why should one put over the other?

So far Nolan Bushnell and Michael Pachter believe MS will "win" this gen despite both being industry heavy weights we really, REALLY have to wait and see what happens..
OlgerO  +   1039d ago
Yeah by the things this guy says it is clear to me that he has not been following the news that closely
DeadlyFire  +   1039d ago
My Playstation 2's history says otherwise.

It can't be but so much easier. Sony is offering the same tools on PS4, but they are also pushing to dig under the surface of the APIs right into the hardware. That might get a little complex, but overall it shouldn't be too hard considing how many indie games are already on their way to PS4.
Gamer1982  +   1038d ago
"Sony will be held back by "lame" and difficult-to-understand software tools."

I cant get over him saying that... Other devs have already said its a dream to develop for. Also hes not legally allowed to talk about 720 so hes guessing here and no doubt taking experience from previous generation as an example. Even so with harder to use tools and hardware Sony still had the better console (worldwide sales-wise) and it came out second (some places like europe it came out a year later!).
TAURUS-555  +   1038d ago

keep on dreaming.....everybody knows the PS4 win win quite comfortably next gen.
otherZinc  +   1038d ago
Bushnell is exactly right.
MYSTERIO360  +   1038d ago
Not with all these ''always on line'' rumors swirling around it won't, especially if they're true.
mushroomwig  +   1039d ago
Basically he's trying to suggest that the American sales markets equals the world. Like nothing else matters, not even bringing up the fact that Microsoft have never done well in Japan.
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jizzyjones  +   1039d ago
He's also making out that MS will churn out games faster with better tools which will give them "the edge", yet its Sony who have the wealth of 1st party studios there for its them (like this gen) who will have the edge.
Gamer1982  +   1038d ago
Not only that hes trying to say people who buy the games base it on how hard it is to make the games... Erm.. yeah we care about that! We dont care about exclusives, trade in capabilitys or quality of our games we care about if its hard to develop for the developers. Last gen it was harder to make games on the ps3 yet it still emerged victorious worldwide even with an inferior online network early on and over a year head start in Europe.

This is thanks to superior 1st party studios and immense support from Sony themselves and not to mention no xbox live charge. Don't discount that free online.
Prodigy-X  +   1039d ago
If MS don't unveil anything this month and Sony has that full unveil press conference guess what? MS is going to be in bigger trouble by E3.

Disagree all you want but it's the truth
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Walker  +   1039d ago
Has he missed all the news out of GDC about how easy PS4 is to develop for, and how indie friendly Sony have been? And has he not looked at what PSN has become in the last 5 years, how it's free to play online while XBL isn't, and where it's going with the content sharing on PS4?

He's right about Wii U though.
Godmars290  +   1039d ago
And still, even though MS supposedly had the technical advantage - the 360 was easier to program for than the PS3 - it was PS3 titles which "did things" this gen.

This gen being the rushed into and overall non-creative mess that it was.
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MariaHelFutura  +   1039d ago
Some people think they won this gen and will come up w/ numerous way to spin things to make it seem so. IMO, everyone should wait and see what happens, like w/ this gen.
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PopRocks359  +   1039d ago
Can't we let these things come out first? Seriously, let the PS4 and 720 release and see how they do on the market. There's no point on making these Pachter-like statements when we don't even know what the 720 will be like or what games it will have.

Keep in mind I'm not saying it CAN'T win, I'm saying it MIGHT win, same as the PS4.
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wantonGamer  +   1039d ago | Well said
MS is dead last this gen and they'll be dead last next gen. As shitty as PS3 was to develop for it still outsold the 360 and is still pumping out stellar games.

Now imagine the PS4 which is a whole lot easier to develop for than the PS3 was.

Yeah, I thought so...
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gamertk421  +   1039d ago
Ummmm, what?
wantonGamer  +   1039d ago
MS is last in WW sales this gen. Despite it being soo easy to develop for.
Mikeyy  +   1039d ago
PSST: 360 fanboys don't follow console sales outside of the US. They honestly don't know that the PS3 has tied/Passed up the 360 in total sales.
SlapHappyJesus  +   1039d ago
I really can't stand this drivel.
Two of the consoles haven't even release yet . . . let's crown a damn "winner".
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NateCole  +   1039d ago
It's his opinion but his prediction is flawed for two reasons.

1. Europe
2. Asia

You can't win a generation without conquering these two markets.

With all the advantages MS had this gen they still end up last this gen because they can't win in both Asia and Europe.

Come next gen MS will not have the same advantage they had before.
YodaCracker  +   1039d ago
They have a much bigger advantage going into next gen over this gen: brand awareness. Xbox is now a household name synonymous with gaming. This gen they were the underdog, yet they managed to tie the PS3 in sales despite the power of the PlayStation brand. They tripled sales of the first Xbox and stole tons of market share from Sony. Now Xbox is as strong a brand as PlayStation. Who knows what will happen next gen, but it will be a fair fight on even ground this time!
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Captain Qwark 9  +   1039d ago
i agree 100% with this. xbox is just as recognized as playstation now so peeps will def be aware and looking at both. should be interesting. i like to stay out of the war myself and just get both. each has exclusive games that i enjoy so each is worth getting, simple as that.

and before everyone rants about how the 360 only has fable, forza, halo, and gears.....i enjoy 3 of those 4 thoroughly as well as its arcade releases and a handful of other exclusives people forgot about like lost Odyssey. also a huge fan of the controller and interface. i love my xbox just as much as my ps3, actually more. but both are great
punisher99  +   1039d ago
"They have a much bigger advantage going into next gen over this gen: brand awareness."

Thats news to me. This gen MS had a full one year head start. Next gen they are not getting that. They sold 70 million 360s in 7 years. Sony sold 70 million PS3s in 6 years. The PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide every since 2008. What that means is the PS brand still has a bigger following than the Xbox brand. How exactly does MS has the advantage with virtually no head start this time around??
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chukamachine  +   1039d ago
Except 10million of those were replacements from faulty consoles rrod among other things.
AngryEnglish  +   1039d ago
@Punisher99 he means MS have a bigger advantage now than they ever had, the Xbox put MS on the table, the 360 made it a household name, meaning now when people mention the PS someone is going to say "what about Xbox". Obviously Sony have more recognition in consoles than MS, but to say MS dies not have a better chance this time is ludicrous, I remember when Nintendo and Sega ruled the roost, things change, I know then big N are still a major player but they are not the name they used to be being my point.

I have a feeling this gen will be won with bang for your buck if you have to choose one, Sony fanboys will only buy PS, same with MS fanboys ( very much like the apple and android crowd) but people who only want one console and have a budget will be looking at what there cash buys, I do think it would be a very shrewd choice by MS if they do go with a subscription service to discount the console, maybe offer a stand alone pay outright and a monthly fee based system, will give a consumer a lot to think about

And a little off topic, but I have to say this new console release is being marred by petty children who likely will be getting there console from there parents, I've been around for all console cycles and its never been like it is now with pure BS and hatred for a device from both sides for no reason, it about the games, if you like games then you should be excited to see what these 2 companies can provide us, brand loyalty in today's day and age is stupid, choice is and always will be key and will keep innovation going forward
SkyGamer  +   1039d ago
How many p3's were bought just for bluray? In software sales MS kicks the crap out of sony. Also how many ps3's were bought by US Airforce? Just sayin...
delboy  +   1039d ago
Spot on Yoda
I see more and more people playing on xbox nowadays, something that never couldn't happen in ps2 days.
Back then Sony was a synonym for gaming, they owned the industry, MS with the xbox brand was unknown.

I've had ps1-ps2-ps3, I feel it's time for a change.
NateCole  +   1039d ago
I year head start, not costing 600 at launch, easy to develop console are much bigger advantage than brand name alone as we have seen with MS with the x360.

This time around it will be an even playing field while Sony still has the brand name, Europe and Asia over MS. As such Sony is still in the driving seat as such i don't agree with his prediction.

@angryEnglish. xbox is not a household name outside of the US. Perhaps the UK but even then the PS is still the top brand there.

I think most of you really don't understand just how big PS is outside of the US. Sony with its first go decimated the competition. MS with xbox now even with it's second go can't even manage to get past 100 million sold or get any significant foothold over Sony in Europe and Asia.

Post PS2 Sony had everything to lose while MS had everything to gain. Come next gen there will be no more 3rd party exclusive.
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AngryEnglish  +   1039d ago
So the people that disagree think the consumer has a ton of cash? Or is it a case of being insecure kids whos momma will be buying there console lol this place seriously is filled with tards with zero common sense

So natecole..... What your saying is people who own a PS don't know what an Xbox is?, your saying anyone looking at a games console doesn't know what the 360 is? Your saying when a consumer goes shopping they don't know what the Xbox is? And to try say I don't know how big the Sony brand is....well that's just ignorance, as is saying "Xbox" isn't a household name, take your Sony blinkers off mate, what utter tosh lol

America is also the number one territory for video game sales..... Followed by Japan.

I'm not a fanboy of either and I hope both consoles are amazing as I'll own both as I love games, but why do people like youu have to slam one or another? Let's hear that broken down, explain why you have to defend Sony so much as if its your sister... Should be interesting
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kenshiro100  +   1039d ago
Then who was buying the games for the PS3 then...? They couldn't have possibly been selling by themselves...
coolmast3r  +   1039d ago
we'll see, we'll see...
RememberThe357  +   1039d ago
Predicting a winner just proves how out of touch he is. No one of any real importance even talks about this subject. This is purely a fan conversation. From the creative side they want to know what the machine lets them do and on the business side they want to know how much they'll have to spend and how much they'll make. No one cares about who "wins."
dangerousjo34   1039d ago | Spam
mcstorm  +   1039d ago
Lol love the fan boy rants. Why do people seem to care so much about something out selling something else?

Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are all in it to make money and that is because they are a business and that's what they aim to do just like anyone else.

If your a gamer why should you care if any of them sell more than the other?

A true gamer only cares about game and not what its on. As long as Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo keep bringing out the games we want then that is all us gamers want and that will be the reason why we buy there console.

If they all deliver on grate games than this reason alone is a reason for a gamer to own each console.

If you can't afford all 3 console then get the one that has the most game you want for it its as simple as that.

Who ever finish's 1 2 or 3 will not make any of them give you any money ect at the end of the gen.

As I said as long as the quality games come out on each console gamers will buy each platform no matter how many sales its had.
thebudgetgamer  +   1039d ago
I don't like the fact that you're talking all sensible and what-not.
mcstorm  +   1039d ago
Im sorry I wont do it next time.
Hicken  +   1039d ago
It's no different than anywhere else.

When it comes to cars, I'm a Chevy/GM guy. As a lover of automobiles in general, I don't have hate for ANY company, and there are multiple models throughout history that I find awesome from virtually EVERY maker. But when it comes down to, say, Chevy vs. Dodge vs. Ford, there's an order I like(amazingly, it's actually in the order listed). If I gotta pick sides, Chevy is who I choose, and in a debate, I'll praise my choice and try and make it look better than the others.

That's just what happens when you have a preference.

Sure, it doesn't mean anything: we don't get paid for it, or get anything else out of the companies. But it's still alright by me.


For enjoyment.

It's one thing if there's just trolling going on. And yeah, that happens a LOT around here, from ALL camps. But I don't have a problem with fanboys, much less fans, so long as they're enjoying things. After all, it's an entertainment industry, right?
g2gshow  +   1039d ago
@mcstorm i understand you want gaming world peace but it's like reasoning with a zombie why he shouldn't eat you

(zombie) HUH? im dead gets up an walks away ....what would you think lol you would be disappointed deep down (capcom) lol sheep are sheep so just give the a kick in the head every now an again but know it will never change
Knal  +   1038d ago
I actually reactivated my account to comment on your comment. The most common sense I have read on this forum in years.
g2gshow  +   1035d ago
he is just right but dont talk to loud the sheep are every where
leahcim  +   1039d ago
PS3 is 3 times difficult to program than X360, and at the end of this gen even with a couple of years of disadvantage the ps3 is condemned to win (this is fact). Imagine a Ps4 launch without this gap of years in between the launches. Ps4 will totally win the next gen.
Samus HD  +   1039d ago
yeah I guess the win rate goes like this:
ps4 = 45%
WiiU = 40%
720 = 25%

I´m not sayin the nextbox Can´t win
dangerousjo34   1039d ago | Spam
punisher99  +   1039d ago | Well said
"Bushnell: Xbox 720 will win next-gen"

Thats a pretty bold and blasphemous statement considering the fact that the 360 didn't even win this generation even though it had a full one year head start.
GraveLord  +   1039d ago
Sounds like a Microsoft fanboy. Not 1 single rumor regarding the next Xbox has been positive. There's no reason to believe people will buy an Xbox 720 over a PS4. This will be the most anti-consumer piece of technology ever released. People will find out what a piece of shit the console is and they will return it.

Imagine 1 million Xbox 720s sold on Christmas week. The demand overloads Microsoft servers. 50% of these customers end up returning the console to stores since the console doesn't work if you're not connected to Microsoft servers.

Imagine Anonymous hacks Microsoft servers and Xbox Live is down for a month. NO GAMES FOR YOU! OFFLINE OR ONLINE. YOU GOT YOURSELF A $400 PAPERWEIGHT.
StreetsofRage  +   1039d ago
That made no sense.
DigitalRaptor  +   1039d ago
@ StreetsofRage

Most of it made no sense tbh. BUT, remind me why Anonymous hacked Sony again? Was it something to do with them removing features from the console or something? Anyway, it was to make a point.

If Microsoft introduces anti-consumer measures like Always-on, always-connected, blocking used games, requiring online to start games and the like, what if Anonymous uses these as reasoning to hack XBL to "make a point"? It's certainly possible, since U.S. government has been hacked before.

And then if the network goes down and Microsoft has introduced games as requiring online to boot up, what are they seriously going to do? It's worth thinking about I guess, but until we know more it's nothing but directed speculation.
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Swiggins  +   1039d ago
Fun fact, Nolan Bushnell was also the founder of Chuck E. Cheese.
lnvisibleMan  +   1039d ago
He also founded Atari and thats as strong as ever. Oh wait.
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wenaldy  +   1039d ago
And Mark Cerny (Lead Architect of PS4) is a former designer for Atari when he was 18..!!!!!
jollygoodchap8  +   1039d ago
Again with all this winning and losing stuff? Maybe we should see what both consoles have to offer when they BOTH release.

I'm not a loyalist by any means to these chunks of plastic. I think we should wait out a bit...I mean these consoles will have like what? 7-8 years of life to them? I imagine they will like the current consoles.

But these articles and these people making similar comments know better.

Btw where do you guys buy your crystal balls? I want to go and check out the 649 lotto.
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alb1899  +   1039d ago
I want both! it is to fast, to early to pretend you know a winner.
Maybe he knows more about what 720 has to offer than us but is too early anyway.
VonBraunschweigg  +   1039d ago
Atari:) Good arguments to. MS has lots of money, a softwaretool manual was in Japanese last gen, and Live is great/PSN is horrible.

PSN is free and allowed LBP usergenerated levels, 256 player MAG, 32 player Starhawk, Dust 514 crossgame play and other stuff not possible on Live. Softwaretools have been reported as great to work with, and both companies have lots of investors.
thebudgetgamer  +   1039d ago
Yeah? Well, that's just like, his opinion, man
wishingW3L  +   1039d ago
if it didn't win this gen by launching first, more games, cheaper, etc. then it's never gonna win any gen.
NastyLeftHook0  +   1039d ago
someone give this dude bubbles. i will. ^^^
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