Microsoft has shared information about its next-generation Xbox with executives at US retailer GameStop, the firm's president has suggested.
Clue #1 digital goals! I think that's saying quite a bit! Whatever Microsoft is planning they definitely will have to bring their "A" game.
But is your idea of an "A" game *their* idea of one?
So far what I've seen of the 360 in the last couple of years, and what Rumors are swirling about the next box, I don't think so.
That could go for any company, but if they say the words backwards compatibility, we're on the same wavelength. The next Xbox will play 90+% of the same exact games as the next PlayStation, they will both be pretty similar in power, both will use key core exclusives (Halo, Fable, Forza, Gears/Uncharted, God Of War, Killzone, Infamous, both will mix a few new franchises in, both will have a camera and try to cater to every type of gamer. So while I think you might not be happy with what MS has to offer, a lot of people will be, and I wouldn't take the end of this generation as a sign of what is to start the next. Even Sony broke out the casual games, and I'd say in 2012 Microsoft had a more core oriented slate of exclusives than Sony did.
Except where Sony has shown consistent ability to create new IPs, MS hasn't. And then there's to tired and old argument regrading Kinect. That MS have become overly obsessed with it while failing to deliver results. And now with their next system its not going to be a choice whether or not its used.
Will be getting next Xbox but not earlier than 2015 unless they really will produce more exclusives
godmars, MSFT keeps up on kinnecting cause it was a tremendus success, sony would do exactly the same if they had anything similar, as they did with super CELL, bluray, the overpriced ps3, the "it only does everything", try to understand they are both in business, not gaming charity
First, we get a mature, balanced assessment of the anticipated offerings from MS and Sony by Jek_Porkins. Then, we receive a follow up post by Edonus which delivered an accurate critique of the gaming community's reaction to unbiased opinions such as the one from Jek_Porkins. Where am I ? This can't be N4G.
Let's make this simple edonus. what core game has Microsoft MADE and burned on a disc with all that money if you are an Xbox gamer who doesn't care for kinect? How is it possible for them not to make games for 75-80 million games, but you expect them to put their all into a possible 1-5 million group of launch owners? You might like kinect, others may not. Remember, Microsoft MADE,not published as in Gears. as that is Epic's game.
Ideas, such as those from a typical fanboy (no offense to anyone in this thread), would put both Sony and MS out of business within a year. I find it amusing that there are a multitude of people on N4G that think that they can run a multi-billion dollar media corporation better than the people that are currently in place. I have to laugh every time I read something like this: "M$ got high jacked by the Sony press conference. They're scared." "The Sony PS4 looks underwhelming. They're doomed". "Stuff should be FREE." I understand that the majority of people on N4G are probably passionate teens. But that is really no excuse for ignorance and senseless bombast?
Don't worry @stiggs, Jek_Porkins got more dislikes than likes, you are still on N4G.
@Jek_Porkins Lol, I like how whenever articles come up about Microsoft that aren't particularly positive. "Always On, Always Connected", Blocking Used Games, DRM, Kinect 2.0, Casual Focused. Mostly from Edge, you know the guys who were practically SPOT ON with the PS4??? Hell even Microsoft themselves saying they lost their core or whatever and women are the NEW CORE. THEMSELVES saying they want to turn Xbox into a family friendly entertainment center etc. etc. You say "bu buu buuuuttt!!! WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT DIRECTION MICROSOFT WILL BRING NEXT GEN!!! because they haven't announced ANYTHING YET!!!!" But here you are, acting like everything YOU ARE SAYING is a fact. Hilarious, JUST hilarious! XD "I wouldn't take the end of this generation as a sign of what is to start the next." In denial much? "and I'd say in 2012 Microsoft had a more core oriented slate of exclusives than Sony did." How so? Microsoft put out like 2 core exclusives that year where Sony had a few. (Just not their HUUUUGE franchises). And even so. That's like ONE YEAR out of like what? Five? lol
But the ps4 has a camera too, and it is bundled, so that the DS4 with its light can function. So it's a spy machine like xbox.
Whether or not its required and/or bundled is still unconfirmed, but if it is - ITS A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME!
The CORE gamer...I hate that term. There is no difference between playing a "hardcore" game and a "casual" game on a console. In each scenario you are manipulating a game pad while sitting on a couch in front of a TV. The content may be different but the exercise is still the same. If I was to label someone a CORE gamer it would be based on their knowledge, enthusiasm and the longevity of their experience within the gaming world. As it has been said "90% of the games will play on both consoles" but you are putting all of the emphasis on the exclusives with make up about 10% of the other titles. For some explicable reason you're even excluding games not MADE by the console manufacturer in your argument. For a lot of people, myself included, that 10% is not going to sway their decision to buy a particular console. Most are going to make their decision based on allegiance, price, availability, expectations and marketing. Don't get me wrong, exclusives can be great. I bought a PS3 just to play some of the Sony centric game tiles. But over the 5 years that I've owned a PS3 I've only bought about 10 games compared to about 80 XBOX games. The reason is that I just enjoy the XBOX ecosystem better than the one offered on the PS3. Unfortunately, exclusives do not drive the industry and the idea that one company will succeed over the other due to said exclusives is just a fallacy. Obviously a monster hit will temporarily bolster the sales of a particular console but the real importance lies in the other 90% of cross-platform titles which make up the majority of the sales. So you can just stop with the "they got no exclusives" rhetoric as it's not an accurate assessment of the situation.
To stiggs What it is is a big goalpoast shift. 3rd party games were always by definition just that meaning even at the beginning of this gen they were available to play on the ps3 too. The term no games was rife here on n4g and that was because Sonys 1st and 2nd party titles were supposedly lacking in either number and or quality. Some people like myself remember that it was the exclusives that were the differentiators and the reason some chose one console over the next. Now fast forward 4 5 6 years. And now exclusives dont matter anymore and relying on 3rd party is now just fine. The evidence is easy to find if you only look or remember and yeah its silly but for many of us its all about exclusives and always has been. The flip flopping has of course coincided with ms's 'preparation for next gen' or lessening of 1st party support to the rest of us so some of the goalpost shifters then included the more simple casual games like kinect games to pad their lists when the origins of exclusives were based on core games with the xbl titles like braid (at the time) and the likes being accepted too and rightly so. At no point am I saying kinect games aren't true enjoyable games BUT the language used by most of us here on both sides when the wii was tearing up the place was that it was for casuals thus not our types of games...obviously games like mario and zelda and whatnot weren't classed as casual but the wii fits and other games of a similar ilk were. So now their own words are being used back on them. Both sides have been hypocritical from rumble not being important to blu ray and hdmi not being important to x game chat not being important to exclusives.. goes both ways but we are gamers and in our silly fanboy fights we battle with GOTY's and graphics and exclusives and sadly sales. Some of us have to reap what we sowed.... cant change the goalposts now just because its suits.. thats bs
I appreciate the lengthy and passionate rebuttal. Unfortunately, I can't properly respond to your comment without surmising what you are trying to say. Please use proper punctuation so that one doesn't have to speculate on your position.
So to summarize all the responses(half of which didn't even address your comment) and to address your actual question, yes, MS idea of an A game IS THE SAME as some peoples, and MS idea of an A game IS NOT THE SAME as other peoples. Subjectivity and opinions are diverse, and when it comes down to it, all that matters is what an individual wants.
sorry stiggs I thought I done well cosidering im using a tablet.. Not the best so my apologies. 1. Exclusives used to matter to many of those who now scream they dont. (biggest western media and fanboy led notion this gen) 1a. can you imagine why they would change their tune? 2. BOTH sides are guilty of being hypocritical (that was me trying to show some degree of objectivity and balance) 3. Where was you when 360 fans used to say the ps3 had 'no games' and by games they meant exclusives 'triple A' (yuk) not some casual wii type games? 3a. Why would they be complaining if the same 3rd party games were available? (bonus points) Hope thats a little clearer. Guess it was just easier to ignore what was said and complain about punctuation like none of it made sense aey....ar well
Lots of issues being discussed here, but the whole '90% of games' thing may or may not be the case, if MS doesn't follow Sony's approach of opening up to Indies and relaxing publishing requirements. If they don't follow this lead, then the difference in catalogues (outside of the back-catalogue of exclusives, which in the case of the Playstation brand is not negligible) will likely be more substantial than that. Plus, don't write off the touch-pad in terms of allowing different styles of games to come over to console. It may or may not work out, but if MS doesn't have anything similar planned, it may be another point of differentiation in the available interactive experiences. Either way, I'm sure both next-gen boxes will be great - but it may be a little early to assume they'll be that similar in game catalogues.
@Axe99 If you want to start adding Indie games as exclusives then Microsoft has far more exclusives than Sony this generation. XBLIG has new games every day. There are thousands of games on there.
"thought I done well cosidering im using a tablet". Sorry kid, I stopped reading your follow-up response after that first sentence. I'm still trying to make heads or tales out of this mess: "The flip flopping has of course coincided with ms's 'preparation for next gen' or lessening of 1st party support to the rest of us so some of the goalpost shifters then included the more simple casual games like kinect games to pad their lists when the origins of exclusives were based on core games with the xbl titles like braid (at the time) and the likes being accepted too and rightly so."
@Jek The reason you have so many disagrees is you make a perfectly valid, balanced point about multiplatform games, then finish with a claim that in 2012 MS released "a more core orientated slate of exclusives than Sony". Whilst you were stating your opinion you failed to back this up in any meaningful way, therefore I disagreed with you. Had you said "more core games that interested me" or listed Sony and MS "core" exclusives to substantiate your point I wouldnt have disagreed. If you're going to make a commemt that it potentially divisive choose your words carefully or back up your opinions.
Ha ha. The auto correction isn't the greatest on these tablets. I contructed less than stella sentances and paragraphs and apologised but you deflected AGAIN. Are you that much of a grammar nazi you couldn't read past the first sentence? Bit pretentious dont you think. I even put it in bullet points for ya and you ignored that too like you're my lecturer mulling over my dissertation. Lmao good stuff man. I dubb thee sir sidestep king of n4g grammar. Joker
My goldfish has information on Microsoft's next-gen Xbox. =O
You know you're on N4G because Porkins has 3 times as many disagrees simply because he didn't say "M$ is the shittiest company in hist0ry!!!" This community is a joke. You're much better off on the r/games subreddit. And since N4G's contributors basically just camp Reddit for news and then post it here, you'll get information there sooner. I'd also like to add that Sony has NOT "consistently brought good new IPs." They're just as guilty of milking their franchises as MS. They just don't sell as well, or have legs that are as long.
Microsoft's A game seems to involve stopping most of the development of xbox 360 games and employing alot more staff for its studio's and getting them all to work on next generation projects for two years. Don't believe me go and have a look for yourself first party has been quiet for a good reason over the last couple of years. AAA games don't get built in a week.
MS's A game is to be progressive in capturing a wider audience and expanding the gaming community. Your A game is the sad belief that only your version of 'conventional' gaming matters. Sony's A game is to retain people like you as fans and pray that cavemen do not evolve.
lol @ the sony trolls.. gofmars, why o why etc. always the same faces and same nonsense that they have been writing for years. why o why you must be a paid sony employee, surely. anyway, i will answer one of your nonsense rants about people saying the ps3 had no games at begining. it was nothing to do with their 1st and 2nd party games. it was the fact that the 360 was with devs much longer than the ps3, thus meaning lots og games were being made before the ps3 had even launched. also talking about people including kinetic games to pad their lists lol how sad are you? honestly. you write that rubbish with a straight face. only pathetic fanboys are worried about lists, writing them and comparing them. get a grip kid
'It was the fact that the 360 was with devs much longer than the ps3, thus meaning lots og games were being made before the ps3 had even launched.' Lol. Really. Ok. That makes so much sense now why the some of the media, fans and ms spokespeople would say such a thing. I just prefer the other console yet own the 360 and the ps plus I was here back in the day talking crap then I calmed and reacted less got to know people..chilled. Got all the consoles but never forgot the crap that was spewed from ALL sides not just the ms camp to the point i even mentioned sonys fans hypocrisies too so for you to go on like the reason you gave was the only reason 'no games' was said is laughable. Im not gunna lable you a kid cause I dont know you or care enough to start calling people trolls. Try keeping it civil even if someone speaks the stuff you dont like to hear alright mate. Sweet Oh I wish sony paid my ass but Im nothing but a punter to them. They won't pay any of my bills if the s#it hits the fan .....its all about the games for me
So Gamestop is very excited for the new XBOX... Seems to me that means used games will still be played on the console. Otherwise, I'd imagine Gamestop wouldn't be so excited. Oh, and in before the M$ has paid off Gamestop.
Their A game is another dose of gears halo and forza, maybe they'll bring back viva pinata, the have to bring their AAA game this time, people are already thinking about flocking to the Ps4, believe that, im going to ask an Xbox person to answer me these question. Will you still buy x box 720 if it still does mostly kinect? will you still buy it even if the Ps4 now has cross game chat? even if they just rehash the same ips? even if they keep charging to play online? I just need an answer from a true x box fan, and please tellme reasons to stay with x box.
Xbox side of the fence has turned in to a bunch of whiny babies. Jesus guys have some self respect.
I love, but am extremely irritated by your avatar. Just wanted to let you know that.
You are ridiculous.
same here about yours :DDD
I have a feeling microsoft wont release there console till next year. I could be wrong, but I think they want to make sure they out do sony.
That would be suicide. Fall is the biggest period for retail. To try and release it NEXT YEAR would kill them. 1. MS is not aiming to beat sony by numbers of exclusives, its quite clear they are beaten and don't care to fight Sony in that regard. 2. Kinect is there new baby, why on earth would it need so much power? MS is just trying to win in a motion battle, why would they need the better tech? 3.They don't have the teams to even support the extra power...SONY DOES! Why waste the time to add faster ram and a better GPU for the what....3 to 5 ips that will use it? I just don't see MS doing that. They are last place this gen, They will be last place (or second...Wii U isn't setting the world on fire at all) next gen. By default, they will lose. JUST based on how they did near the ending of this gen. They don't want to compete in terms of "exclusives" its quite clear by the number of studios they either shut down or let go.
I'll likely be this year. Namely due to the fact that some games we know for sure are coming out on both next gen consoles just aren't getting talked about much by the publishers. Probably due to NDA's with MS and they don't want to out a release date for either console. With games releasing this year the only reason they would delay those announcements were if they know that it will come this year. Between E3(when console dates will be given) and the holiday season isn't much time to hype up a game.
The Witness has already been announced that they'll be on PS4 first. http://www.computerandvideo... So chances are if MS do come out this year it'll be after PS4. Let's face it the game is no technical masterpiece and could easily be ported in the blink of an eye. Especially now that everyone is using similar technologies.
Oh near, download only then? uhoh.
MS is being very slick about all this. Can't wait til they spill the beans. It's gonna be this gen all over again. MS will take the U.S. market again.
I think it will be this gen all over again aswell. They will focus on Kinect, advertise to the max, release the same few games in a consistant cycle, charge to play MP, have timed DLC and timed exclusives and add a TV service. I hope I'm wrong though.
Typical fanboy comment...
@Angelica Fanboy? He just stated exactly what MS did this gen. Some of you just can't handle the truth. Denial.
@AngelicIceDiamond Don't get your knickers in a twist
MS is not dumb ,yes their gonna do that but at the same time they'll include features that are similar to Sony so that they at least equal .
@angelic Typical fanboy retort. Instead of discounting everything he says by invalidating his comment by insult, respond why he's wrong. @Maria I think MS will have a bigger focus on Kinect, but I still believe they know that it is the core that will be buying this system most in the first year. Unless MS comes out with a very cheap console(unlikely since the Xbox still has $300 SKU's out), then it is us core gamers that will be their target audience. As such I have no doubt they will have some core games in their launch line up. Kinect will fill out the rest, and likely play a long term role in console adoption among the masses. Advertising is pretty much a given, and rightfully so. Nothing wrong with promoting your product. Sony could take lessons from MS in this regard. I really hope they don't fall back into the same cycle of sequel releases, and would like to see them release more core games and new IP's. This gen doesn't make me expect much from them in this regard though. The other stuff is up in the air, and for the most part, I don't think gamers aren't really looking at added services for their purchasing decisions...that's more for the casual or all-in-one-device crowd.
@ DK286K Advertising is not a bad thing. Where the problem lies, and of course you won't like to admit it, but Microsoft spend more on marketing than they do creating games. I wouldn't know the exact figure, but on a basis of ratios, it's pretty clear how far the scale tips. They are more successful because perhaps they spend more to make more. Similarly with Kinect, they spent more on the marketing than the making games for it. Imagine if that money was put into more games and new IPs. I know Kinect brings about new IPs, but that's basically pushing their consumer base into a corner, and saying that the only way you'll get new IPs is if you buy our expensive peripheral. That's not remotely respectful from a consumer standpoint. If Move was more successful than Kinect, Sony would be bringing out fewer games for the core and more for casuals. Yet it would still be treated by Sony and gamers as an option for those who like motion control in their games, rather than a supposed revolution in gaming. "Funny how you seem to have no problem with Sony buying DLC." The difference is, it's not treated as a replacement for games and new IPs on their part. At E3, Microsoft goes through the exact same motions, treating multiplatform games as exclusive, creating little to no actual NEW games, and announcing exclusive DLC as if it can actually validly replace new games. Sony - new games. Boom. New IPs. Boom. Impressive gameplay demos. Boom. See where I'm coming from here? Basically your whole argument is an assumption that he is bitter when in fact, he's just more open-eyed to Microsoft practices than you.
@DK2468 And Sony delivered games and continue to show new IP. Complaining about that would be nit-picking. Just real differences in corp strategy, is all. Not a value judgment.
@AngelicIceDiamond - What, and Belking right above wasn't making a "fanboy" comment. How could he possibly know that MS is going to win over the U.S. market again? I honestly think both his and MariaHelFutura's comments are a bit out of line. I hate speculation about these next-gen consoles though, so let's just wait and see when they're ACTUALLY SHOWN, okay?
I want info on when I can pre order one or when can I subsidize one or maybe do both, that's is the Info I want .
"GameStop has information on Microsoft's next-gen Xbox" really? A retailer? You don't say! -_-
I'd rather get the information right from Microsoft I mean they are building the console and have designed the console. Why tell a retailer about the console it would ruin the surprise.
Maybe the conversation went likde this - Dear Gamestop, we will only be doing digital games next gen so please go F your self with your 2nd hand game profit that you make :) Or it could have went like this - Dear Gamestop, Go F your self.
Or it could of gone this way I hope. "We are glad to confirm we have no intention of blocking used games"
how i see it MS has nuts in a basket and there digging in. in 2006 MS couldn't wait to be the first horse on the track and now there like a sick horse that can't run there sitting in front of there black board thinking what now here comes the guy from the back room with the basket full of nuts. this isn't a fanboy bullcrap like you may think its just something funny.
xbox 360 come out in 2005
i dont see why all the mystery when sony revealed they revealed basically the graphics an gameplay we will be getting from games so thats both consoles will be similar in that aspect no mystery...i do think microsoft will blow away sony in web browser on the next consoles the kinect which i wont use unless im video chattin some girl gamers is way better the ps move an they will drop the augmented glasses which could have some upside if devs take advantage of thats gonna be there next approach the dumb glasses but at the end of the day is gonna be similar between both so ill take my american made xbox cause i back my country an hate the ps controller an online but thats my preference
E3 of this yeah will be the best in history, im rly looking forward too MS announce.
KinectBox 2.0 "Always Kinected" /Pass
@ MARIA You could also say " it's what they're not doing " at the tail end of this generation and I'm not talking about releasing information about their new console. It's sorta like they turned the faucet on full blast when the 360 launched and now it's just trickling enough product too keep their customer base happy.
Ooh so the ps4 will launch globally by the end of 2013 : )
What is a 720 or nextbox? You guys making stuff up again? I have yet to see any proof of life. LOL!
No one has seen the PS4 either...
I didn't say anything about the damn ps4 you dolt! This nextbox is a hoax. Call the Mythbusters. They may have more info.
its a bit of pointless article, yea so what they have info, they aint sharing it, like many other companies, they have info, lets blog about it and get loadsa comments.