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Submitted by iGAM3R-VIII 512d ago | news

Nvidia In Reply To AMD: PS4 & X720 are 3X slower than the GeForce Titan

Now this is great. Almost two weeks ago, Nvidia claimed that it was not worth investing on consoles and that was precisely why they did not bother with PS4 and X720. As Tony Tamasi, Senior VP of content and technology at Nvidia, stated back then, Nvidia came to the conclusion that it didn’t want to do the business at the price Sony was willing to pay. And as you’d expect, AMD decided to stand up and face Nvidia, claiming that they were able to offer PS4 the hardware Nvidia couldn’t.

Neal Robison, director of ISV relations at AMD, told TechRadar that AMD was able to provide an integrated solution through its APU that Nvidia couldn’t, by ‘optimizing information flows, generating greater performance, better power and heat efficiency, and by providing tools and dev relationships‘ to provide the PS4 a strong launch. (AMD, NVIDIA, PS4, Xbox One)
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iGAM3R-VIII  +   512d ago | Well said
So they're comparing a $1000 card to a console that will cost around 400$ ... that's nice. True that their cards are powerful, but even they couldn't supply a technology that is so ahead of the current gen at a reasonable price. And while they could supply what they used for the Titan, who would buy a let's say $1200 console? All I know is that the Sony and MS made the right choice for AMD.

Anyway, to sum up this article in one picture....

Oh Lord....

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Ezz2013  +   512d ago | Funny
Nvidia: you mad that my 1000$ GFX card is better than your 400$ consoles

AMD: no, you just mad that no one want you....you look like the girl in the pram night that no one want to dance with her

Nvidia: oh yeah, you are the cheap hooker that every one can ride

AMD: at least i can get laid

Nvidia : ohh you B****.....Now It's on

AMD: come at me

*pillow fight*
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Dark11  +   512d ago
hahahaha , Bubble up + man!
iGAM3R-VIII  +   512d ago
What about the part where Sony and MS show up at the sleepover and join the pillow fight on AMD's side so it is 3v1?? lool and then the PC's show up and join Nvidia :P
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g4me_he4d  +   512d ago
rofl!
SilentNegotiator  +   512d ago
An excerpt from Ezz2013's documentary, A Tale of Two Hardware Companies. In Theaters April 1st.
thechosenone  +   512d ago
shouldn't it read

"3x more powerful than the PS4 and 4x to 5x more powerful than the 720?"

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/...
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Ritsujun  +   512d ago
Get a life, nVitch.
badz149  +   512d ago
instead of being professional and classy about it
nVidia chose to be a butthurt bi**h and keep barking over a lost cause. I thought they would be more classy than this. If they really don't care about the console business, why even bother commenting on it? Sounds like it does matter a bit to them that AMD got the upper hand this time around in the console business!

nVidia makes good GPU no question about it but their performers always come at a price while AMD always has that perfect performance to price ratio GPU for everybody.

Sure, go on and compare the next gen consoles with your top of the line niche card that cost maybe more than both consoles combined but AMD (just like any other companies) is in the business for profit so I doubt Sony and MS are underpaying AMD for anything. nVidia is just greedy and they lost the race on this one!
Mounce  +   512d ago
To be honest. With this kind of childish PR. It really makes me not want to purchase Nvidia GPU's. I always bought Laptops of the last 6 years and coincidentally all of my laptops had ATI Cards in them. However, with this kind of stupidity of butthurt I've seen of Nvidia of the past month? I don't want to do business with them, I'd rather avoid buying a laptop with Nvidia in it now and if I make my own PC Rig? Without Nvidia.

They should focus their energy on better things than mud-slinging like a child.
Martywren  +   512d ago
@Ezz2013 that was hilarious.
AsimLeonheart  +   512d ago
LOL! Seriously though, Nvidia is being very immature now. They are going too far now.
DatNJDom81  +   512d ago
Nvidia is the same as envidia which is Spanish for envy. hehehe. Green powerz!
Felonycarclub8  +   512d ago
Made my day lmfao
Kevin ButIer  +   512d ago
lolololol Ezz2013 we should take that approach for console wars...
Nick_515  +   512d ago
@DatNJDom81

It's coming full circle now.
MoveTheGlow  +   512d ago
I love this fight - last generation, we had a battle between console fans above all else. This generation, let's just leave the battle with AMD and Nvidia, marvel at how stupidly awesome it is, and play some mother flipping games.
Flipflopp  +   511d ago
@thechosenone, good catch. I didnt notice the chart went from PS4 to the Titan. Then the Xbox was sitting lower in the chart under the PS4.
stumpa  +   511d ago
LMAO
Bobby Kotex  +   511d ago
I like and own Nvidia cards and all, but why can't they STFU? This is like the corporate version of butthurt.
FlyingFoxy  +   511d ago
AMD could be better if they fixed microstuttering on multiple card setups, 2 7870's stomp all over Titan and are cheaper.. No good with the stutter existing though.

Maybe it would stop Nvidia releasing overpriced stop gap cards, or at least make them a lot more powerful than just a bit over a 680 which the Titan is. Titan's price will drop like a rock in the next couple of months when the real next gen cards arrive.

I'm not upgrading till Doom 4, or Half Life 3 is announced tho.
khan_saab  +   511d ago
is it weird that your comment got me hard
SkyGamer  +   511d ago
NVIDIA is my graphics card of choice. Went from a 8600gt oc to 9600gt to 9800gtx to gtx275 to gtx470 to gtx570 superclocked. Can they be more mature, sure but look at the numbers. They are posting record profits while amd is a sinking ship. If ea and ubisoft and the whole tablet and mobile division are right in their claims, this could be the end of amd if consoles don't do as well this coming generation. They are bleeding fast and arm is rapidly taking the mobile market share.
Lior  +   512d ago
I have 2 gtx 680s in sli best money spent in years bf3 in 2560 1440 resolution i get 70fps well amazing LOL IGAMER-VLL is on crack or something does he know anything about gpus? gtx 680 got me before i upgraded 45 fps around that anyway on 2560 1440 on bf3 now I bought another gtx 680 so now I am getting around 70fps nearly double the performance it is simple maths.
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iGAM3R-VIII  +   512d ago
So let me get this straight, you have 2 of the same GPU's in the same 1 computer. I do not even think ANY graphic cards or GPU's can do 70fps in a game in fact again I don't even think BF3 can do 70fps in 2560x1440 res. It isn't even possible to put two GPU's in one computer let alone make a game and/or GPU/Graphics card that can do 70fps at 2560x1440. Either that was an April Fools joke or you are high, or just talking nonsense
grassyknoll  +   512d ago
No one cares.
UnSelf  +   512d ago | Funny
this just in:

The US military supercomputers are also more powerful than the PS4

-_-
Parapraxis  +   512d ago
iGAM3R-VIII, I'll take all of the above for $500.
Robbert_jansen  +   512d ago
iGAM3R-VIII you have no idea what you're talking about
Software_Lover  +   512d ago
IGAM3R-VIII

............................. ................... ............. You should've just kept quiet. Now you are food for the hounds. I hope that response by you was just an Aprils fool joke, but I highly doubt it.
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iGAM3R-VIII  +   512d ago
*CAN YOU PEOPLE CALM DOWN, I'M JOKING. CAN'T YOU TAKE A JOKE, knowing you people you wouldn't really beleive it as a joke and if you saw Lior's orginal comment, you would see why my respose was right, as you can see trolls usually change their comment when they know they are talking nonsense
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shoddy  +   512d ago
That's my problem with pc, upgrade.

The cpu, gpu, ram, motherboard are lining up for upgrade one at a time every year if you wanna brag about power.
dennett316  +   512d ago
Oh iGAM3R-VIII....way to make yourself look amazingly ignorant.
Please, look stuff up before commenting because now you just look silly. Look up sli and crossfire....should tell you all you need to know about hooking up GPU's in those configurations.
Also...
http://www.geforce.com/opti...
43.57 FPS on GTX 560 (2 in SLI) on Ultra settings. 680 should easily hit 70+fps.
No card can do 70fps in a game? What? CoD on 360 runs at 60fps for goodness sake....what makes you think PC can't hit way higher than that?

And don't try to claim you were trolling, nobody falls for that dopey excuse.
iGAM3R-VIII  +   512d ago
Also, I can see you edited your original comment because YOU were talking nonsense before, you said you were. speaking of math it is III not LLL you fool, (roman numerals)

EDIT: @dennett316, now you are looking like a fool, there is a difference between a troll and a joke and someone who decides to COMPLETELY change their comment to make ME look like the fool.
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FlyingFoxy  +   512d ago
You don't need to upgrade the mobo and cpu every year, original i7's from 2008 are still just as good as the newer i7's at the same clockspeed. All you need is a new gpu every couple of years until a big jump comes in cpu power.

Also Titan is like a Mars card, overpriced and only a bit better than the 680, if they need to release a card so expensive they should make it better than at least 2 generations ahead, what a fail. the companies should work on fixing micro stutter on multi gpu's because anything higher than 1080p will be slow and a waste of time and cash.

But 1080p is the sweet spot for speed, and better performing that way than consoles.
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Army_of_Darkness  +   512d ago
@Lior
All I got from your comment was.. My expensive PC components makes my PC version of BF3 run great...
well, what can I say but congratulations! for spending all that money to play that one pretty game bro;-)LOL!
MysticStrummer  +   512d ago
"I have 2 gtx 680s in sli best money spent in years bf3 in 2560 1440 resolution i get 70fps well amazing LOL IGAMER-VLL is on crack or something does he know anything about gpus? gtx 680 got me before i upgraded 45 fps around that anyway on 2560 1440 on bf3 now I bought another gtx 680 so now I am getting around 70fps nearly double the performance it is simple maths."

*eyes glaze over with disinterest*

Nvidia keeps making themselves look more and more ridiculous.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   512d ago
Good troll igam3r... I got it.
SatanSki  +   512d ago
I dont know if your story is true but i like it as this site is kingdom of cheap and poor - consoles and amd fanboys.
towelie1288  +   512d ago
@ IGAM3R_VIII HAHAHAHAHA DUDE LOL u have no idea what ur talking about
keep off the internet u clown HAHAHA
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steve30x  +   512d ago
Simple math fails you Lior because your two GPU's are more expensive than the next Xbox and PS4.

@ grassyknoll : You dont speak for everybody.
kane_1371  +   512d ago
igam3r-viii you make me ashamed of being a console gaming fan.
Learn your gaming knowledge or just do not talk.

The more graphical memmory you have the better performances, but that only gets you that far, you also need a good proccessor.
And pls, two GPU cards in a pc case is nothing new, actually Nvidia's beast GPU 690 is based on that system.

And I know Nvidea is acting immature and all, but you guys are stupid if you really don't want to use Nvidea anymore for your PCs.
not only the best quality but also the greatest price too.
You can't compete with Nvidea in Pc branch and AMD knows that too.
Now for Consoles AMD is vey good since it is easily tweakable and pretty cheap.
It is really no comparision, one is this Graphic giant that is dominating, one is this Graphical giant that is not dominating since its hardwares are not as good anymore. :D
andrewsqual  +   511d ago
Exactly Army_of_Darkness. I think these PC idiots are forgetting one thing. Where are the games that will actually use your rig.
For example, Lior is talking about a game that was released a year and a half ago.
And lets get one thing straight, Tomb Raider looks a bit better on PC than consoles but is it really a substantial difference? No, no it isn't.
Another great example, it has been three and a half years since the last major Ratchet and Clank game (Crack in Time). On PC you have yet to experience a game that plays and looks anything close to that. Enjoy your tech demos. That T rex from "Demo 1" on the PS1 still looks great to this day too.
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showtimefolks  +   512d ago
Nvidia is coming out of this looking bad, they were the reasons the original xbox failed so badly. They were charging MS left and right and now when sony and MS have learned their lessons all of the sudden Nvidia doesn't care about console business

yeh sour grapes the way i see it
chukamachine  +   512d ago
I thought the first xbox failed because of dvd drive price.
rainslacker  +   512d ago
@chuk

The first Xbox wasn't really a failure, it just had a short life, namely due to Nvidia wanting to stop production of the chip, and wanting to charge MS more to continue manufacturing it. From what I understand(at least by rumors), was that NVidia wanted more than they charged for the initial supply, and this was during a time when MS was looking at cutting the Xbox's price to compete more against the PS2.

It was a hard decision on MS part, because they knew the ramifications of dropping support so early on a console. The 360 wasn't quite ready, and they were forced to rush it out the door, which caused some of it's early hardware issues.

In the end, things worked out for MS, but this whole thing is one of those ugly side of the industry stories that most people never hear about...or willfully neglect in the interest of console preference.

As far as DVD price, the DVD drive in the original Xbox was a standard off-the-shelf DVD player that you could put into a PC(or get from any computer shop). At the time I believe they were retailing for less than $50, so MS was probably buying them for $10 in bulk.
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ginsunuva  +   512d ago
Are there a bunch of AMD employees making n4g accounts and making false accusations and downplaying Nvidia? Seems that way.
Dark_king  +   512d ago
@chukamachine Dvd drive was fine it was the HDD that your thinking of.
thedon8982z  +   512d ago
@iGAM3R-VIII/showtimefolks=Yea h you right,all I can say is:"CHURCH"!!!!LLOOL L!!!
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fr0sty  +   512d ago
Nvidia keeps making themselves look worse and worse every time they open their mouths. I mean, we knew they were butthurt over losing their console business, but this is a little much.

$1k cards being compared against a console. First of all, PC cards never get maxed out before they are due to be replaced. This is the reason why, if you go back and look at every PC game that came out during the time of RSX's launch, the vast majority of them ended up being outshined by RSX before PS3's lifespan was over (look at Beyond, TLOU, etc). This, despite the Geforce cards for PC at the time being way more advanced that RSX's GeForce 7 series specs. These PC games have to be coded to work on a wide range of hardware, so no card ever really gets maxed out. Not to mention Cell's ability to aid RSX (which PS4's CPU also has the advantage of being able to do, as well as GPU being able to aid CPU), which is much harder on a PC architecture because of the bandwidth limitations of PCI express, etc. When your GPU and CPU are on the same chip, as we see in the next gen consoles, they can communicate much faster.

As such, in reality that $1k titan isn't going to give you 2-3x better graphics than you'll get out of these next gen consoles. Yes, it'll do better framerates, higher resolutions, and better AA/AF/etc., but their twice to three times argument is garbage.
Oner  +   512d ago
Exactly. +Agree & +Well Said.
The_Infected  +   512d ago
3x slower and 5x more utilized. Don't forget Nvidia console hardware is dedicated your Titan isn't and your price per performance with the Titan sucks. I think Nvidia shot any chance of either Sony or MS using them ever again.
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nukeitall  +   512d ago
Problem is, by the time PS4 and next Xbox is released, that Titan will cost as much as the console and 6 months later, it will cost less. In about 2-years you will find a far more powerful graphics card at half the cost of next generation console.

It is what it is, but upon release these consoles will be a steal compared to an equivalent PC due to the subsidizing from console manufacturers taking a loss to build their platform consumer support.
Monkeysmarts  +   512d ago
Why do PC gamers care so much that their hardware outperforms a console?
Somebody  +   512d ago
@ Monkeysmart

Why not? Console gamers love to brag when their next gen consoles outperform PC hardware when they launch. First it was the CELL processor will kill PC gaming and now it's the GDDR5 RAM. So it's natural for PC gamers to reply in turn with better hardware in the years after. Console gamers then will fight back with the gameplay vs graphics argument while they wait for the next-next gen rumors to start the cycle all over again.
nukeitall  +   512d ago
@Monkeysmarts:

Ironically, I'm not a much of PC gamer. I primarily game on consoles and my PC has a lonely GeForce GT240. Which is pretty weak and cost $50 a year ago!

I'm just putting it out there as it is that nvidia is right. There are advantages to consoles, but it isn't in hardware capability.
Monkeysmarts  +   511d ago
@Somebody
I guess I just don't get it. I mean, I see both sides... the console fanboys seem just ignorantly boastful, PC fanboys seem like they are defending their sister's honor. I prefer gaming on a console but I've never been of the mind that a console ever out powers a PC or will "kill PC gaming" any more than beastly GPU's on PC rigs will "kill console gaming." To each their own, there is plenty of room for both and it only makes gaming better for us all. I guess that's not as fun as trolling, bashing and arguing though lol...
kevnb  +   512d ago
or we can just wait a few years and buy a $200 card. Nvidia should start proving these fools wrong... they cant just say it, they have to show it. But the problem is they want us to buy a new card every now and then lol. You could still have a 7800 or a 8800 and play games at console levels or even better than console levels. Heck the 9800/8800 is still the most possible model of card in use and plays all the multiplats better than a console. Optimization on console isnt nearly as good as people think.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   512d ago
Upgrading is a personal choice... everyone acts like your required to upgrade whenever a new game comes out which is never the case unless they don't support whatever DX level your card is. Just because you don't meet the minimal specs it isn't a direct indication of your computer not being able to play it. Now there is a cut off point however and that's usually limited to integrated graphics or insanely old cards which will fail to even launch the game. As it stands right now any computer that meets the specs of the 360(all but the ram) is still able to play the most recent games give or take DX level exclusions... that will scale accordingly to next gen. If your PC matches the specs then you will be able to play the games but you just won't max them out.
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dougr  +   512d ago
While I think the bitching by Nvidia is petty, the next gen consoles are not better off with AMD in them rather than Nvidia. It would have been nice had Nvidia put the GPU in rather than AMD. After making the switch to Nvidia a couple of years ago with the GTX 570, I'll never go back to AMD. At least as far as computers are concerned, I know I can count on green much more than red.
Leviathan  +   512d ago
I don't even know why these articles exist.

Nvidia KNEW they wouldn't be in the PS4 because they don't make x86 processors.

Period.

AMD's APU has no Nvidia equivalent because Nvidia doesn't make x86 processors.

These articles are made up PROPAGANDA.
4lc4pon3  +   512d ago
i would buy a 1200.00 PS4 if it had a titan in it and gave me some of the best visuals you have ever seen. Shit my Gaming RIG alone running sli 680s and nvidia surround 3d cost me well over 3k.

i love all the bitching about prices but think about it 1200k is hardly that expensive and if it did offer a titan in it imagine how long the console would last. Instead of the mediocre 7-8 years you could push 12.

I have no doubt in my mind that game devs will do amazing things with the new gen consoles but its def in my eyes needed to be more powerful
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WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   512d ago
$1200 is a bit extreme for a console but that's what it would take to match a top-tier 2012-13 rig. Considering how the PS3 did at the launch price I don't blame them for not wanting to shoot for anything over $600. PC tech is on a different level than it was in 2005-06 but in order to achieve that it costs $$$.
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ajax17  +   512d ago
Lol, ten people are like NOPE. You're dead wrong. Trolls gotta troll.
Giru017  +   512d ago
They should have compared TITAN to the AMD "7990" Devil 13... It's faster than Titan and only slightly (3%) slower than GTX 690.

I use an Nvidia card on my PC, but damn, shame on you Nvidia... Jealousy is an ugly thing.
dcbronco  +   512d ago
@iGAM3R-VIII

I have read your comments in the past and thought you were either eleven or not all there. But you proved me wrong with that comment. Very well said.

Nvidia is acting like the popular chick that lost the starting QB to another girl. They are making fools of themselves. Plus if Nvidia can only offer a card that is 3x the power of the next console for $1000, what could AMD do with a $100 console? Offer 10x the power.

Nvidia most people wouldn't have noticed that you are falling apart if you had kept your mouth shut. Investors have to be questioning your leadership. Especially since no one wanted Tegra 4. Your stock price has dropped almost 20%. Just shut up.

Edit: I seem to remember John Carmack saying that a console could do the same thing as a PC with half the power because of optimization and specialized parts. So the Titan is just 50% better than the next gen consoles for 250% more money. Nvidia don't shut up. STFU!
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chaldo  +   512d ago
I can't believe these comments.. Yes Nvidia is stupid for saying this but you guys know very well that Nvidia is better than AMD by far. Just because AMD is in consoles now doesn't mean it's the greatest thing of all time. jesus...
ooquis  +   512d ago
"So they're comparing a $1000 card to a console that will cost around 400$"That's the most inspiring comment i have ever came across on this website. your one intelligent man...
Nilemonitors13  +   512d ago
True my friend, let them spend a 1000$ on the card alone, that will get console owners their respective console and around 8 games. Btw, nvidia might be derived from envy, as much as they talk like they didn't care, walking away from millions of dollars is probably hurting them inside. All they are showing is their namesake.
sengoku  +   512d ago
LOL anyone notice that the next xbox according to nvidia graph is less powerful then the PS4??
it's also released 3 to 6 months later..
DeadlyFire  +   512d ago
Like AMD doesn't have 1000 card. What is AMD 7990 then. :P

Consoles are set right for the price. APU with same kinda performance could only be done by AMD at the time. Intel has some work on APU with their graphics. Haswell CPUs are expected to come with 1 Tflop on them.

AMD's PS4 APU at 1.84Tflops is miles ahead of that. Likely AMD will put heavier cores on it for a PC version of same APU so it would likely be less than 1.84 Tflops, but with more heft.

I expect next gen after this one AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA will all be fighting with APUs for nextnext gen consoles.
fatstarr  +   512d ago
Yo do know that the titan architecture is going to bthe next main card. Nvdia will make a cheaper version

Ex titan is the 790
They will come out with mid tier version 760 that will shit on the next gen

And then a low end 750 that will shit on the next gen as well

The architecture is set to destroy give it a year before they roll out.
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Anarki  +   511d ago
Goodluck getting the games for that 1000$ card. Pointless tech is pointless right now
Mini0510  +   511d ago
As a PC gamer, I agree. The comparison not practical at all. Nvidia is just trying to advertise their products, etc.
IAmLee  +   511d ago
Nvidia : The most butthurt company of 2013..
gamernova  +   511d ago
So...the ps4 has been confirmed to be 400 bucks?
user7693958  +   511d ago
It may be 3 "slower"but it has 100 times more support and so far the games showed on the PS4 look better than any tech demo they have done for the titan.. in the end we want to play games not tech demos.

And I will have not mind spending $1000 for a more hight end PS4 but a low price so most of my friends who mind can buy one with fast and easier to develop games so I can get more and better games are more important features and quality to have.
BurninDragon08  +   512d ago
Me: PS4 & X720 get my money. So, who loses?
raytraceme  +   512d ago
ur wallet.
zebramocha  +   512d ago
How else was he/she suppose to acquire a ps4?it's not like we have a bartering system or some work exchange.
4lc4pon3  +   512d ago
if you actually had a good job i dont think ur wallet would care. at least mine doesnt
raytraceme  +   512d ago
it's a joke.
Azfargh  +   511d ago
also social life
HammadTheBeast  +   512d ago
Also, PS4's main focus is gaming, so although the graphics card is 3x more powerful, it's a smaller gap due to specialization.
Nilemonitors13  +   512d ago
Super saiyan 4 is about 5 times more powerful than the nvidia card, but you don't see goku busting their balls for it.
Prcko  +   512d ago
it's all about optimisation
titan is maybe 3x faster but using only 50% of his capabilities.
in other hand PS4 will be 3x slower but system will use(at beggining)60% and later 100% capabilities.
if you didn't know ps4 using new technology where CPU and GPU working together,results-MORE POWER-better looking visuals.
ps4 games will look like today pc games with all ultra graphic,or even better.thx bye
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Kennytaur  +   512d ago
You're right about a console being more capable than the sum of its parts. Even though you do present it in a mild fanboy manner.

An interesting fact is that Nvidia said you need 10x the power to get twice the graphic fidelity. With that in mind, the "only" 3x more powerful Titan comes off a bit useless... seeing it'll just play the same games.
pete007  +   512d ago
porco, you know the first party ones will allways push a bit more the hardware than all others, truth is a hi-end pc will have allways the edge over consoles, like it or not. consoles are great only for exclusives, multi-plat allwyz on pc
Sony360  +   512d ago
Why would the titan only be using "50% of his capabilities", exactly? You kind of just pulled that out of your ass with no basis whatsoever.

You can argue "WELL IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE SO NERR!", but you won't argue that the Titan isn't far more capable.

Also you can buy the Titan today, and it's already more powerful. The price will have dropped by the time the new consoles come out too, so as far as the "well no shit sherlock blahblahblah, because it's more pricey blahblahbla" argument goes, you should really save it. Do a price check on the Titan when we have the new consoles, then give it a shot.

I really don't give a rats ass because I'll just buy both a Ps4 and a Titan when it's worth investing in one, not on release. Just please don't pretend like you have clue about the internal workings of these machines if you're going to talk such drivel.
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KwietStorm  +   512d ago
Curious, where exactly are you getting these percentages from?
DwightOwen  +   512d ago
From his ass, like all fanboys do.

Seriously, these guys have no idea how retarded they sound. 60% power at launch, huh? Why, isn't Guerilla competent enough to get at least two-thirds power out of the PS4, lol? Not very "optimized", now is it?
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Prcko  +   512d ago
speculation
just giving numbers so you can see what i talikg about
dirthurts  +   512d ago
If PC hardware is only running at 50% it's capacity, it's because the game doesn't need any more. If you're hitting 60fps, there is no need to run at 100% all the time.
This is where this misconception comes from.
Me? I can normally take full advantage of every ounce of hardware I have.
It's not 1995 anymore. OS doesn't take but maybe 1-2% of my cpu, 0% of my GPU, and maybe...600Mb ram (out of 4gb).
kevnb  +   512d ago
consoles get a small boost from optimization, a 8800 gtx still beats consoles easily and came out around the same time the ps3 did. It was expensive at the time, but the ps3 uses a souped up 7800 gtx and can barely play most multiplat games at 30 fps at settings equivalent to low on pc. Heck often they have to drop resolution to hit near 30 fps. How did people get so brainwashed?
ILive  +   512d ago
You speak of multiplats, what about exclusives?
4lc4pon3  +   512d ago
false even if they made it look amazing on the PS4 it will always be or look better on PC. PC's video cards can render way more then a console gpu so that adds alot of extra's on screen such as more visuals, physx, detail n more.

PCs will always be ahead of consoles PC hardware gets updated constantly while consoles get updated many years down the road.
Parapraxis  +   512d ago
ePeen warz, gotta love em when the big boys go at it haha
PirateThom  +   512d ago
Ever since Nvidia were confirmed to not have a hand in any console this gen, they seem mad.

How many people, in all honesty, are going to put down the sort of money they're asking for a Titan? It's going to be the big enthusists and, even then, it's only going to be the ones who really need to be on the bleeding edge.

It's never going to be a mass market item because PC gaming with that type of card is not really a mainstream market. Whatever number they sell, it will never match the easy licence that is console GPU development where the product doesn't change for 6+ years.
Robbert_jansen  +   512d ago
they ran out of stock because production couldn't keep up with the demand
PirateThom  +   512d ago
Wholly irrelevent without knowing what demand or production levels were, though.

Again, anyway, it's the sort of thing enthusiasts, you know the ones who need the be cutting edge, would buy as soon as it's available anyway.
Sony360  +   512d ago
They're actually sold out and out of stock, so I don't think Nvidia are "mad" at all, really.
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NateCole  +   512d ago
As a PC gamer i can tell you this card can be found at less price if you know where to look or wait a couple of months.

PC gamers from my experience also generally do not see $600 for an upgrade as too much.

People must also understand that the graphics card are also used for something else other than gaming.

For me i work in GIS/RS and i always do need a great graphics card and a powerful processor for imagery processing/analysis and animation rendering. It's also for something else other than just gaming which puts that $1000 into perspective.

There are also other advantages such as cheaper games and free mods etc on PC gaming.

Form my perspective is not really that hard to justify considering what i will use it for. I am sure others are in the same boat.
pinkyxyz  +   512d ago
damn as a pc gamer and nvidia fan im sort of ashamed of them. they sound like dumbasses or comparing a console with an optimised gpu verses an all around "i can do anything" 1000 dollar titan gpu. idiot....
WeAreLegion  +   512d ago
I meant to agree. Sorry, bro. Lol.
Lior  +   512d ago
It is true, I am an nvidia fan i have a 680 sli but they dont need to brag about being faster becuase console fanboys dont care they will just say whatever dont even know what titan is
Kennytaur  +   512d ago | Funny
Sure we know what a titan is.
It's the stuff Kratos beats the sh*t out of.
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NateCole  +   512d ago
Yeah. It is odd and embarrassing.
WickedLester  +   512d ago
That's nice Nvidia! Next time I have a spare 1000.00 on me I'll buy one of those video cards!

God, I'm so sick of hearing from Nvidia and their sour grapes! They need to get over themselves!
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yewles1  +   512d ago
Nvidia's reaching again... Titan is actually 2.5 times as powerful as the PS4's GPU going by their claims (the chart is strictly showing FLOPS performance). They's should've been more accurate in that chart and less mad about the whole thing.
ziggurcat  +   512d ago
nvidia in reply to everything: we're still crying over not getting the PS4/next xbox contract waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
boing1  +   512d ago
Poor Nvidia.
Black PR is all they can do now.
PS_Family  +   512d ago
That's kind of racist.
dirthurts  +   512d ago
Then so is the black market...
BOLO  +   512d ago
You're kind of an idiot.
Azfargh  +   511d ago
so are the black lobsters
sashimi  +   511d ago
You must think Friday is racist too.
PS_Family  +   511d ago
It was an obvious joke Jesus what is the avg IQ of N4G's posters?
brich233  +   512d ago
The ps4 and nextbox are 3 times slower, but i doubt that the nvidia Titan will sell 100 million sales in its lifetime. They problably wont even sell 1 million, so yeah, No Comparison here. Nvidia Can brag all they want. 5 years from now, there will be over 100 million people with Amd parts in thier Consoles.
rainslacker  +   512d ago
and 99.9 million people of that 100 million probably couldn't care less who made those parts.

This is mostly just posturing for investors. All that really matters is the games that are made.
pete007  +   512d ago
technology is just like the car industry, we all love to have better cars on the roads,less pollution, more power eficiency, you know that the everyday technology is developed on formula1, rally, lemans series, its the hi competition that pushes forward, silicon goes the same way, its not the titan being main Stream, its the technology based on, its only a flagship, AMD will also have something to say about, sadly we are seing a small jump on console tech, the riscs are high and moneys short,
so console makers go the easy way, in 2 years ps4/xbox will be outdated, real bad, luckilly we switched to x86 set of instructions, and a lot more scalable engines that will mindblow on pc remaining acceptable on consoles, lets hope the shitty ports are over. im more interested on Maxwell than ps4/720 or even ps5/1440
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robleroy  +   512d ago
maybe consoles graphics will be outdated after 2 years, But it takes more than 4 years to really squeeze all the juice out of consoles. And they do ( "the last of us" of God Of War3 ) is quite impressive for a 8 year old console with only 256 MB memory)
You are probably a "I love games for their graphic resolution and Frames per second" kind of person. That's OK.
But because of this presumptuous look at consoles you miss out on all the AAA console games and gameplay (share, kinect ,no tweaking , no configuration issues, no reporting bugs, no reading forums to fix your pc problem, No need to visit support site for Hardware compatibility, )and in the pc market you do not have games that interact with move or kinect or have dual screen possibilities ,or games services (xbox live, PSN, cloud services (play while downloading), downloading while console is standby mode or etc etc)
I can go on and on..

Its just not smart rule out game consoles.

I used to be a pc-gamer for decades and also was hooked to the consumer market which blinded and addicted me with their super beautiful painted GPU cards and the number consisted names they advertised for their products (i5 ,i7 GTX*** etc etc). Even the console market today (except WII) uses that trick.

And lets be honest : you are probably just hooked by the numbers (examp.: Everybody who has a GTX660 would love to have a GTX670 etc etc)
But if NVIDIA used names instead??....( Would everybody who has a GTXmark evenly would love to have a GTXjane (newer model)???)
I reckon we would care less.

Just think about it....

Sadly most of the best and the most AAA games will only be found on console (concerning game-graphics)

ps. If the money was short SONY would not be spending 300 million for just a streaming service...
and the would not put 8 GDDR5 ram and 8 CPU cores (max) . more would be overkill because the developers would need special knowledge skills to make use of the extra cores (it would turn out to be another ps3 like debacle)
SO there is no sign of "moneys short") Sony went all the way.

quit dreaming about pc games becoming ultimate gaming platforms. It has not happened for 25 years.
And the pc is loosing ground every year (especially because of the rising tablet market)
That means bad news for you. because pc's and parts are being sold less and less, pc hardware needs to get more expensive. Thats the real reason the titan costs 1000$
If the pc market was really good, we probably could get top performance GPU's for $300 to 600 instead of 400 to 1000.
There is more tech and $'s in an $400 ipad than in a $1000 titan GPU. IF the $1000 GPU would have the same market as the ipad, it would probably cost a mere $100.

gamer-PC's pure for gaming are just not worth the money.
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DwightOwen  +   512d ago
It took years to "squeeze all the juice" out of consoles because devs had to spend years and millions of dollars building custom engines for the damn consoles due to their fucked up architecture (that's YOU PS3).

Moving to a PC architecture that 99.99% of devs learned growing up is not going to leave much room for improvemnt, if any. These bricks are going to be tapped out within the 1st year. After that, you'll see more and more titles releasing in 720p with baked-in effects (rather than rendering things in real time) so that devs can add more stuff on screen in order to give the illusion of visual progress.

Don't believe me? Look at some Xbox 360 (the architecture of which is closest to a traditional PC) games from 2008 and compare them to games in 2012. There's hardly any visual improvements to be found. Crysis 2 compared to Crysis 3 is a fantastic example. Two years of extended programming knowledge yet the game looks and plays no better.
rainslacker  +   512d ago
I'm not really too familiar with the tech behind the titan, however a couple years ago I attended ECGC, a local game conference, and a guy from Nvidia was the keynote speaker.

The speech was basically on the advancement of graphics processors, and Nvidia's approach in said advancements.

For 60 minutes all I took away from the entire presentation was that Nvidia is just looking at pushing more and more cores onto a single chip, thus improving efficiency and processing power. This was hardly impressive to me because it's the same thing that has been pretty much done in every facet of CPU upgrades, whether increasing transistor count or number of cores, until something major comes along to change that thinking...for instance, cell processing evolving into APU architectures.

Maybe you can clear up your statement on how the tech inside the Titan is a true precursor to what RSX chips will be based on in the future, because it seems to be well rooted in the past.
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thebudgetgamer  +   512d ago
I've never seen a company work so hard to make themselves seem immature.
Ck1x  +   512d ago
You haven't heard of Epic Games then I'm guessing!
Ashlen  +   512d ago
This is just sad... Comparing a 1000$ video card that won't do jack unless you add another 500-1000$ worth of parts to a 400-500$ game console.
pete007  +   512d ago
its not 1000$ against a 400-500$, sony launches a console at a loss, making up in the long run, besides, every game you buy pays royalties to them,making the console versions overpriced, in the entire console lifecycle i usually buy 100-150 games witch gives a total revenue of 1500 to 2500$ plus the 400-500$ initial price.not counting dlc, subscriptions for services, etc.
ILive  +   512d ago
Your logic is so full of fail that i just dont even want to get into it. I speak of the part where you do a tally.
josephayal  +   512d ago
And 3x Cheaper
smashcrashbash  +   512d ago | Well said
Good God can we please end this already? What does Nvidia want from us? It's a console.No one said it will be more powerful then a computer.Only imbeciles care.Can we not go through another long drawn out thing with people droning on about specs please and what will be outdated when please.We all know the advantages and disadvantages of having a console or a PC. Thanks we get it. We heard all of you the first 100 million times.Sony decided to go with AMD.Get over it.Live with it.We will see for ourselves how the games will play once the PS4 comes out.Sony is competing on the console level.If they used expensive parts they wouldn't be able to compete against Nintendo and Microsoft's consoles.Can we move on now or does someone else want to get on their knees and kiss Nvidia's feet some more?
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dantesparda  +   512d ago
Well said!
nosferatuzodd  +   512d ago
Zodd the immortal give you bubbles for that speech
Well said smashcrashbash
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Ashunderfire86  +   512d ago
Yeah I have a GTX 690, and I don't care how powerful my graphic card is or how powerful yours are. 3 times the power of PS4 and Xbox Next is not that huge of a leap, so it is still impressive to see how close these consoles are to Titan. PC gamers do yourselves a favor. have fun playing games with ur card, and stop talking about how your card is better than PS4 and Xbox Next. We all are going to get the same amount of games on each platform like this generation, so who cares about your power?
jjb1981  +   512d ago
And 1/3 the price....
Bellcross  +   512d ago
Apparently someone doesn't know what Sli or Crossfire is, But it's fun to watch him make a fool of himself.
jjb1981  +   512d ago
My Lamborghini is 3x faster than your civic.... No sh*t!
turgore  +   512d ago
3X faster than a PS4 but it can't play Killzone Shadowfall.
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Masta Kaos  +   512d ago
160 Million people can afford the PS4 and 720....and only 20000 can afford the Titan
Oner  +   512d ago
Well Said...VERY, Well Said.
leogets  +   512d ago
no ones cares about power, people care about games, good games and lots of em, this is where consoles rape PCs.. sorry but fact..
dirthurts  +   512d ago
Not true.
PC gamers care about power, that's why they're PC gamers.
I love consoles the first few years they are out. Fast, powerful, impressive, but after that I start sliding back to my pc as that hardware gap just gets toooo large.
I still prefer a Console, just wish they evolved quicker. I know I'm the minority here.
nevin1  +   512d ago
Will they ever come out and say their upset about not getting a deal with either Sony, Msoft or Nintendo?
Pizza  +   512d ago
3x times faster then so what.

No PC game is optimize to use more than 50% of any GPU power.

PS4 will come out in 2013. I would like to see how the PS4 game released in 2015 comparing to its PC version using GTX titan.

Game is optimized for fixed hardware-console. PC counterpart needs at least 2x times graphic power to match the console version.

176Gb bandwidth on GRRD5 between CPU and GPU on PS4.

On PC? How fast is DDR 3 2133? How fast is PCIE 3.0?

You do the math.

Individual parts does not mean anything.

The whole architecture is the problem.

There is bottleneck on PC in a whole, not CPU or GPU separately.
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OpenGL  +   512d ago
The GTX Titan has over 288GB/s of bandwidth from its dedicated 6GB of GDDR5, and CPUs don't need that kind of bandwidth.

A Core i7 3960x using the DDR3 memory you specifically mentioned has over 50GB/s of theoretical memory bandwidth available and it is not limited by memory speeds at all despite being a much faster CPU than what is in the PS4. In most scenarios the PS4 CPU won't even be using 25% of the systems total memory bandwidth, the GPU will be taking most of it because graphics operations require it.

PCIe 3.0 is not a bottleneck because PC GPUs have dedicated memory to work with.
robleroy  +   512d ago
yeh,
Going to the pc shop and plugging a pc together beats years of extensive research by a billion dollar company in a AAA lab by a couple of 100 engineers in building a game-console which consist pc architecture parts or custom chip-sets from pc part suppliers..
LOL
please if you are not an MIT engineer don't even try to kid yourself with your logic. Go get a degree.

You probably think MS and Sony are just instructing one or 2 high school pc gamers to plug together a pc and call it a console...

Just HAVING a bus IS already a bottleneck..

LOL
NateCole  +   512d ago
I have no idea why you got disagrees.
OpenGL  +   512d ago
What do you think the PS4's CPU and GPU access each other via? You understand that an interconnect is just another term for bus and that the PS4 CPU and GPU still use a "bus" right? How do you think the PS4 accesses memory?

I didn't say the PS4 is a bad design or that Sony somehow messed up, but comparing memory bandwidth as if it is somehow in favor of the PS4 is foolish because CPUs don't need that much bandwidth and GPUs on the PC are already ahead of that by a fair amount.

HSA will bring some advancement but these will likely be nullified before the PS4 even launches when Intel brings out Haswell this year.

Sorry if you felt I was insulting Sony, that was not my intent but of course you had to engage Sony Defense Force mode at the first sign of trouble.
annus  +   512d ago
"No PC game is optimize to use more than 50% of any GPU power. "

Stop saying that. "Power" is a made up console term. It will use 100% of the power if need be, it just won't be as optimized, and even that isn't clear on a percentage of usage.

And please, before you go throwing around hardware terms, understand what they do and how they work.
MasterCornholio  +   512d ago
Well I recently bought an extremely nice Ultra book for school work so I don't really want to pay over 2000$ for a top of the line gaming PC. Instead I will spend a fourth of that on a next gen console which is more than enough for me. Plus I love Naughty Dog games which are exclusive to the PlayStation brand.

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Ambivalent_  +   512d ago
Nvidia should just STFU after the shitty GPU they provided in PS3.
Sharius  +   512d ago
wow, wow, wow.... how nice, maybe i'll pay that 1000$ so i can watch better porn after all
CyrusLemont  +   512d ago
What Nvidia really should of said is 'Our Titan card is 3 times more powerful than the PS4's GPU in raw numbers, however PS4 has a single hardware focus from developers so no fragmenting or sacrifice in game design to support multiple setups. Also the PS4 hardware is built upon a synergetic architecture with design unavailable to general public which will be able to push graphics way beyond what people imagine. Also we're douchebags cause AMD's card is a fraction of our $1000 Titan but we'll give it s**t anyway.'

Ily Nvidia, but stop. Let the visuals make the decision for the gamers, not the specs.
PAYNEinc85  +   512d ago
Yes because if Nvidia would have gotten the contract from Sony we all know they would have given us a Geforce Titan in the PS4 right? *rolls eyes
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