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Submitted by alexcosborn 537d ago | opinion piece

The Rocky And Concerning Future Of Microsoft

Windows 8 sucks, Surface is getting trounced by the iPad, and Sony's already gaining next-gen steam. Should the Big M be worried? (Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS4, Xbox One)

iGAM3R-VIII  +   537d ago
MS as a whole are not failing at all,but if the do not do something sooner or later, their gaming side of them could suffer. By E3 when we have a clear idea of both the 720 and PS4 we will be able to see the true path of MS (which doesn't look good based on the 720 rumours)
NateCole  +   537d ago
Agree. They have to plan ahead. Mobile and Web is the future for the tech world. Whoever manages to get there will be the leader. Google got a great start with the web and Apple with their obscenely over priced hardware and services that are of top quality.

The other thing i think MS needs in a new image. For too long they have gotten themselves a pretty bad image. A lot of people only put up with them because they had no choice. Their monopoly over the OS and PC market is coming to bite them in the ass now that people have real and sometimes better alternatives.

They have to be bold and visionary.
Army_of_Darkness  +   537d ago
MS in a sticky situation indeed...
MS surface isn't doing well against the likes of samsung's galaxy tab, let alone the Ipad LOL! and for the price MS charges for their tablets isn't a good choice compared to the alternatives that are very good in my opinion. Just a couple days ago I got the ASUS memo smart pad 10.1" for only $299 and I'm very satisfied with it's capabilities for that price, so the MS surface needs to drop in price or it's gonna be done for like the Zune...

MS smart phone doesn't stand a chance against the iphone or galaxy so I don't know why they even bothered..

I'm still happy with windows 7..

As for the 720... I think if they go all out casual, it's gonna be the end for their console business so MS better start considering they're hardcore fanbase before Sony takes over gaming again completely.
Maddens Raiders  +   537d ago
Microsoft's gaming division -
has never been the same since this man left. As much as I loathed the problems w/ the hardware and other complaints, I always liked this guy. Dude had ballz of stainless steel. They need to recapture his spirit.

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NateCole  +   537d ago
@army. Surface clearly illustrates the problem MS has as company. It's lacking vision and imagination.

Surface sucks as a ultra-portable or as a tablet.

When compare to a tablet it has horrible battery life,bulky and expensive. Compare to an ultra-portable. It has horrible storage capacity and lack other functionality ultra-portables provide.

It's a middle of the road solution that does not appeal to any mass market and only to a small segment. MS from my observation have been in this situation for a long time now. They lack vision. If it weren't for their monopoly over the PC industry they would be been dead a long time ago.

Post PC era they are now finding it even harder now to adjust because they are not a monopoly and are finally challenged by stronger and better positioned competitors that have vision to anticipate changes in the tech world and imagination to capture people with their products.

@maddens. Yes. It's no coincidence that when he was with xbox they had a clear vision of what they are about. They did pretty well then.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   537d ago
"we will be able to see the true path of MS (which doesn't look good based on the 720 rumours)"

And the exact same could be said about Sony a few short months ago and in fact Sony had the worst rumors regarding used games and look how that turned out? Pretty damn well did it.

Lets just wait we don't have to much longer (regarding the April reveal rumor)
nukeitall  +   537d ago
Ironic isn't it?

What nobody seems to realize is that when push comes to shove, it is all about execution and management.

I'm not just saying this about Sony, but also about Nintendo and MS.

Who would have thought Nintendo turned 3DS fortunes around, and that MS would gain the market share they did with the Xbox 360.

Yet, who would have thought the PS Vita would have done so badly.

The Wii U remains to be seen and so does the PS4 and the next Xbox.
Nilemonitors13  +   537d ago
All I know is that tons of people are thinking about migrating to Ps4 next gen. What people have to realise is that they don't owe loyalty to any company, I personally love Ps because of what I get, if xbox offered better I would jump ship, but i guess i'll be sticking with play station for awhile .
dbjj12088  +   537d ago
I wonder how easy they'll win the family crowd if the gamers aren't there to early adopt while the tech is expensive....
alexcosborn  +   537d ago
Very good point.
MikeMyers  +   537d ago
That is why they will be likely offering a $99 system with some sort of subscription/contract model attached kinda like a cellphone.

I expect Microsoft will have 2 systems available. They must have a hard drive in each system this time.

The key areas Microsoft had this generation were:

1. Price
What will the price of the next Xbox and PS4 be?

2. Early start
Unless Microsoft decides to release it right after they announce it that won't be an edge this time for them

3. Easy development
The PS4 is getting rave reviews from game developers and the system won't be suffering from long load times either

4. Online
Throughout the generation Sony has really upped their service and with Plus it just added a whole new level of value.

So it seems to me Microsoft has its work cut out for them to top the PS4. Will they go a different route? Will it be cheaper? Will Microsoft have an ace up its sleeve? Will Microsoft come out with a ton of new games? We'll just have to wait and see but until then I expect many more of these types of topics swirling about filled with rumors and speculation.
nukeitall  +   537d ago
@MikeMyers:

I think what you should consider isn't what MS had previous generation, but what MS created previous generation relative to the competition.

1. Price
MS made many good design decision that lead them to having a consistent pricing advantage. Yet the differentiating factor between it's nearest competitor is minimal.

2. Early start
Too many attribute the early start to MS success, but it actually was the fact that MS had the foresight to forged great relationships with developers and create great partnerships. In comparison, early releases like Dreamcast didn't pan out. Heck, even RROD was switfly taken care of and forgiven by the public.

3. Easy development
Nothing to add here.

4. Online
Sony has greatly expanded the value of PSN+, but it is at the cost of decreasing attach rate. This actually might hurt Sony and their partnerships with developers. Good for consumers, but potentially bad for content providers. We will have to wait and see, but this highlights MS strength also. The fact that MS consistently is able to charge premium for their service, when the competition provides a free one and on top of it, provides lots of games on a low cost subscription.

So what you have to take from this is, don't underestimate MS ability to compete. Just look at what they did too the Wii with Kinect.

So does MS have work cut out for it? Yes, they do and it seems Sony has done their homework.

However, I don't see anything that isn't really a reaction to the Xbox 360. Sony needs to turn up the heat and introduce something that differentiates it from the Xbox 360/PS3 other than better looking games, identifying player controllers, a touchpad and a share button. These things seems like it hardly makes a difference, but then again neither did achievements.
Bigpappy  +   537d ago
You guys really think all of this doom and glooms stuff you put on your little website and submit to N4G will sway people from M$. You are doing yourselves and gamers a disservice by trying to predict doom and gloom for a company that has as much chance of failing as your lame site has of becoming mainstream.

My advise is to wait until you know something before having such a strong OPINION. What will likely happen is that your prediction will be completely off and you end up looking very unreliable. That will hurt your brand (not that you actually have one. But you know what I mean).

Next: Win 8 does not Suck, and the Surface Pro may actually be too successful. So much so in fact, that other OEM are being hurt by it.

Sony has done a good job at impressing their base and even 360 owners like myself. They look to have a good system coming. But am I ready to move from Xbox to PS? No sir, not even close. I have not seen anything from M$ yet (neither have you). I can tell you that Sony has a big weakness that if not addressed with cause M$ automatic success. FAMILY is the keyword. Sony has left that wide open.

When M$ shows the next Xbox and you still have this opinion, you are free to comment with the rest of us right here on N4G. Till then, just can it!
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jimbobwahey  +   537d ago
In my opinion the big weakness of the PS4 is a lack of backwards compatibility. If Microsoft reveal that the next Xbox has backwards compatibility, that's the console that I'll buy.

If neither console is backwards compatible though, I won't be buying one until the first price drop.
Parapraxis  +   537d ago
Bigpappy - "am I ready to move from Xbox to PS? No sir, not even close."
...well there's a shocker lmao

...here's an idea, get both and quit being a fangirl.
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pete007  +   537d ago
i am running Windows8 64 bit and i can assure you its as performing as win7 with all the updates and sp1, better kernel, memory management, performance, its just a slight change from its predecessors.

now..... you all saw the move from xbox to 360, didnt you? unexpected, brutal, even me a ps2 owner, was in awe for the first wave of games in the hd era.
they got me as a custumer, and a hapy one despite of the 5 xbox rrods, and allways freely replaced by new ones, contradicting some posts here that we had to rebuy new consoles. thats true, they launched a rushed product, but they had no choice. overal it was the best console we have ever saw. it was not the queen of the teraflops, it was a balanced one, easy on the go, developer friendly, and a cheap one also,
now.... are MS stupid to rely on the 360 success and turn into a cable tv provider?
why do you think they have no AAA first party titles like sony does lately?
because to MS the party was almost over 2,5 years ago, as they achieved largely their goals, instead to sony, the party was just beginning as they had to maximize theis ps3 lifespan and also its well known that not all blockbusters sold as they wished.
MSFT will be with full power at e3 with 3 years of next gen projects, features and all the bullshit were used to.
Minato-Namikaze  +   537d ago
How can you have 5 rrods and be happy? Having a constantly failing games machine and being happy shouldnt ever go in the same sentence.
Nilemonitors13  +   536d ago
Isn't that like being masochistic, 5 rrod, goddamn, you must be shi##ng money, anyways, like I said before, people don't owe loyalty to any company, so go for the one that suits you best. In my opinion Ps “cares more” about me, by offering the best value per dollar spent, just think about it homie.
rainslacker  +   537d ago
I agree with most of your comment, even though I find it rather condescending.

I would like to point out though that Sony is probably going to be pushing their social aspects of the system in order to gain interest in the family market. It's no secret how popular social media has become, and it has made what was once difficult, easy. The fact that family and friends can now easily connect to one another is a huge plus in their cap in this regard.

How this translates to actual sales remains to be seen. Realistically I can see that when it comes to social aspects, a PC or tablet or smartphone are probably much more ubiquitous, and there are common social networking sites that work on all of them.

The only advantage is that Sony can really push a family oriented gaming console should they decide to take the next logical step, which is allowing people to play easily with one another through their own network...think a socially connected Wii. It removes the physical presence aspect of socializing, and can help to bring distant family and friends together in a meaningful way. At least that's my take on it. There would obviously have to be software to support it, and it looks like Move will take care of those that are put off by traditional controls.

Sony does support the family market now, it just isn't a really dominate force in their marketing, so it goes unseen by most of us due to us probably not caring much about it.
Nilemonitors13  +   536d ago
Im happy you were impressed by the Ps4, just give it a shot my friend, I will assure you it wont disappoint you,
boybato  +   537d ago
I know for a fact that a lot of my friends had a "falling out" from their xbox due to kinect (cannot forget a friend whose childhood was destroyed by star war's galactic dance off) If not only for Halo ang Gears they've sold their xbox.

Specs wise I do not think xbox and sony will differ that much. Kinect might also work as their wildcard
....

Shit, I cant wait for next gen...
alexcosborn  +   537d ago
Yeah, I think a lot rides on Kinect.
Godmars290  +   537d ago
Given that they've been pushing it for past 2-3 E3s they more than likely think that.
edonus  +   537d ago
@boybato, that is just the poison talking. Kinect Star wars is a success in every way except opinions from gamers that let game sites tell them what to think. Most people that hate kinect Star Wars didnt even play it.

I'm not sure if the nextbox and Ps4 will be similar in specs but I agree that they will be similar in performance. I actually see kinect as a big gun. How else would you see the next more powerful version of a record breaking piece of hardware that has sold enough software to counter it rivals by itself. Even if they get 1 quarter of those that jumped on kinect to early adopt you are talking around 6 million.

Look at trends. kinect has moved 24 million units in less than 3 years and has always had a strong holiday season. Add that spice to just the presence of a new console from MS, 10 million Halo fans, 6 million Gears fans. The WiiU has moved 3 million units with nothing actually with confusion and stupidity.

I dont see anything rocky in MS path.
DigitalRaptor  +   537d ago
I've noticed "poison" is your keyword in discussions defending Microsoft and Kinect. It's weird how you think that people have been influened and poisoned by others when in fact people can see for themselves what they are interested in or not interested in. And you're still defending the shovelware and the fact that it hasn't proved itself in anything other than dance/party/casual genre, and things unrelated to gaming.

"Kinect Star wars is a success in every way except opinions from gamers that let game sites tell them what to think. Most people that hate kinect Star Wars didnt even play it"

I'm stifling laughter here, but I digress. The people that played it didn't like it, and it wasn't just because of the gameplay like you think, even if you think the gameplay was acceptable. It's a terrible piece, unworthy of the SW brand name to go alongside the prequel film trilogy (apologies for the hyperbole - the prequels were not THAT bad). It's all another reason why the people who haven't played it don't want to know.

"Look at trends. kinect has moved 24 million units in less than 3 years"

Look at the Wii and how it sold hugely in one generation due to the demand from the fickle market we call the casuals. Then.. look at the Wii U. Not receiving the same buzz or consumer uptake as Wii is it? Either those casual consumers are fed up of motion control, OR they moved on to something else. We'll see just how big of a gun that Kinect is once Microsoft market it next gen. Until then, I wouldn't assume anything.
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boybato  +   537d ago
Maybe I'm not just into motion gaming but seriously you liked StarWars kinect?

EDIT: I have friends who pay for my swtor subscription so that I can play with them...StarWars Kinect though, I won't play the damn thing even if you pay me. lol
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rainslacker  +   537d ago
Doing a quick search, it appears the game scored 55 in metacritc reviews, 4.4 average GameFaq reviews. Amazon pegs it at 4 stars, but most of the positive revews are mixed at best and say it's OK for what it is, but not really that great.

To me, that makes it seem that this poison is more in line with the fact that it just isn't a very good game. This is likely due to development and not the actual Kinect, but saw many comments on how it wasn't very responsive.

I know we discussed this in PM's a couple days ago, but it seems to me that people are able to make up their own minds, and it's not really just the media "poisoning" them against the idea of Kinect. There are still many people who do not like the motion technology, and for the most part I haven't really seen any positive reviews or comments on how motion controls in general add anything worthwhile to actual game play. I will concede there are probably exceptions out there though, so please don't give me a list. The only real benefit I see touted is that it brings people into gaming that are put off by traditional controls, and makes it easy for them to play games(which isn't a bad thing for them or the industry).

I say this because it's not just Kinect receiving negative press in regards to motion technology, but seems to be a common theme among forum posters. It just isn't really wanted by the bulk of the "core" gaming community. It's great that MS has found a market for it, and it's great that it's successful for them, but I feel that the technology still has a ways to go before it becomes worthwhile for mass acceptance.

In closing, there is no mass conspiracy trying to keep the Kinect down. It's just people speaking about what they feel about the technology, and the fact it does nothing for them. It's not the media putting ideas into our heads.
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edonus  +   537d ago
Yes I have coined the term poisoned because its the best way to describe what is happening. First thing that shows you are poisoned is by thinking I or anyone else for that matter has to defend the 360 or kinect. Thats like trying to defend the Maimi Heat as being the best team in the NBA during the 2012 season..... you can have your opinion on who you like but they won the trophy.

Same with the 360 and kinect They have moved tons of units, tons of software, and made tons of money. There is nothing to defend. If they keep getting the results that they are getting they can only be classified as successful. What I am doing is correcting information and stating facts and offering a different perspective.

For those that honestly hopped on kinect gave it a real chance and just didnt like it thats fine but I played it and liked it and know plenty of people that did like it (that over generalization is a sign of poison).

I would expect someone that speaks out against Kinect/Star Wars to at least know how to play it. If it just doesnt appeal to them so they dont try it thats fine too. But when they start spreading and regurgitating lies and misinformation back and forth to justify their non interest that is poison.

For years I have seen articles from the smallest to biggest sites stating a form of kinect doesnt work in the dark... that is a complete lie. Same with kinect isnt accurate. Some things can be opinion based but they dont present them that way. For instance the poisoners dont say "I cant see myself using kinect for a core game so I would probably only use it with casual games"... they say "Kinect cant work for core games it can only be used for casual games." See the difference. I can use kinect for core games. My perspective is its just a matter of learning.

Look at the trends but dont skimp on the details. Thats poison.
The Wii sold hard to casuals, the WiiU has extreme marketing and messaging problems. I have seen them classify the WiiU as an attempt to make gains the core market. The WiiU is currently to meesed up to be used as a solid source of anything.

@Rainslacker Metacritic is the poison along with IGN and Gameinformer and all the others. I wish people werent so influenced by the media but gamers reading gaming news seem to have become. Look how many articles we have talking about how terrible the nextbox will be from all types of sites which would be fine except that there is no nextbox. Everything we know is speculation and rumor. But every single site even the big ones like IGN are participating in this foolishness.
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rainslacker  +   537d ago
OK, I'll give you metacritic, it's not the best example to cite to disprove your argument. The positive amazon user reviews seemed to be trying really hard to justify this game as a good game. If the best thing you can say is "It's OK for what it is"...ie it's a star wars game that functions off a motion based control scheme...isn't that rather telling that motion controls haven't gained as much acceptance as it needs to to really be a force for the future?

To me that says that people are willing to give a free pass to a game, and score it higher, because their expectations have been lowered. Now many of these same reviewers we can assume have played other motion based games, and in doing so have formed their opinion on the status of the technology independent of the media that exists around it.

If the best we can expect is that it's OK for what it is, then to me that just isn't acceptable to make a strong argument for me to jump onto the idea.

Star Wars is one example, and the fact it scored low was because it was a mediocre game. This could be because of lack of developer resources to make it better, or it could be that motion controls are still not up to par, and are still not at a point where they are anywhere near good enough to be a replacement for more traditional control schemes.

I've used every version of motion controls available this gen, some more than others. What I've found is that they are fun for short periods of time, then often devolve into tedium and rudimentary implementation. It's the same feeling that I have for mobile gaming, and that is not a good sign to me that it will be accepted by the core anytime soon. Not because we don't accept motion controls, but because motion controls don't provide us with the experience that we are seeking.
Hicken  +   536d ago
So if people don't like the Kinect, they've been poisoned.

They can't just dislike motion controls, or think the Kinect has failed in its attempts in the gaming arena(though it's been pretty impressive elsewhere, particularly in the medical world). They can't be disappointed in the promises of good core games, only to get... nothing.

Everybody who's not sold on the Kinect- specifically, as you don't seem to give a damn about the other motion control schemes- is "poisoned."

Yet, somehow, you, who can't see even ONE thing wrong with Kinect, who thinks Steel Battalion was done well, who defends the travesty they call a Star Wars game, who refuses to acknowledge even the EXISTENCE of shovelware for the peripheral... you are not poisoned?
edonus  +   536d ago
(disclaimer) Its stupid to argue whether something is good or bad because that is subjective.

With that said why cant something be good for what it is. I have had very few balanced factual discussions about Kinect Star Wars and the few I did were positive. The problem is that the discussion normally devolves in to Han Solo was dancing and it destroyed my life.

I can go through lists of issues I have with it but the difference is it would be real stuff like, no customizing of the characters, no picking the color of your light saber, terrible instructions and force grab selection detection.... to name a few.

But with the bad there is also good like excellent motion detection, lots of variation, two player co op, very open and deep combat make opportunities to be creative in your fighting... to name a few.

The game got low scores because of the poison in the gaming media. You cant find one article from any of the major sites that describe the Duels of fate mode fully and accurately.

When I see something like its OK for what it is I can understand that because I can think of a thousand more things I would have loved but that is the curse of something new we will have so many grand ideas we will look past what we actually have. But this isnt even that if it was you would see comments about what they would have liked or what could make it better. Instead you get it sucks, it cant do this and that (never describing what it cant do mind you).

I can think of several things Kinect does that is superior to a controller and if put in the right setting a controller couldnt compete. Like independent use of your limbs. In kinect Star Was you use the force and saber independently at the same time you also do this in Rise Of Nightmares and others. I have already seen people do better at Tigerwood with kinect than a gamepad.

Kinect isnt meant to replace regular controllers for the type of game we play now. Kinect (and the Pseye4) will add function to our systems, but for gaming they will shine in new developed genres. Like you said motion gamning is at its best when done in short concentrated bursts, I would add with ample rest time and breaks.

Nobody cares about what the so called core market is talking about. This gen only one system had the power to properly push their motion control idea to its limits and that Sony.

The wii was an underpowered system from the beginning and the 360 wasnt powerful enough to really push kinect. This gen that all changes. Even sony adapted a camera has some of the abilities kinect has. They know, they have seen something and they know they cant be left behind. Thie next gen is the real gen of motion control.

@Hicken
Noooooo Hicken... its OK to not like kinect. Poison is when they justify not liking it with lies and misinformation.

Noooo hicken I do feel there are things wrong with Kinect Steel battalion and Star Wars. I just never get to discuss them because I am combatting the poison.
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Wedge19  +   537d ago
Sad. It's weird to see a massive switching of roles in the industry.
ftwrthtx  +   537d ago
Sony moving the PS3 over to standard PC architecture should mean more PC games going to the PS3. That's definitely not a good thing for Microsoft.
carreirabr  +   537d ago
Don't forget ps4 running bsd os and steam on linux too.
TrendyGamers  +   537d ago
I'm hoping we hear something about the next Xbox this month, even if it's just the new name.
alexcosborn  +   537d ago
Same here. Please give us some solid info to talk about!!

I'm sick of all the rumors.
NateCole  +   537d ago
xbox is short change for MS. Even if it dies which it won't will not affect MS much.

The big battle for MS is with Apple and Google. I don't see MS battle with Sony in the console space as something significant.
jacksons98  +   537d ago
For MS it's never been about games, it's about protecting their cash cow Windows OS. The only reason MS sells Xbox is because they see Playstation as a potential threat. Meanwhile with all their attention on Sony the last few years, they missed Google and Apple because they missed on mobile.
Moac  +   537d ago
I for one use and love Windows 8. Most that bash it haven't even tested it out. And thank god that awful start button is gone, i barely used it for more then shut-down.
The new tile system is very useful and stunning.

Keep at it MS.
kneon  +   537d ago
There's nothing wrong with Windows 8 or Windows phone, it's just that too many people are too useless to deal with something different than what they are used to.
rainslacker  +   537d ago
I like Windows 8 just fine...got it free from school. It's not really worth the current price to upgrade from Windows 7 though.

The Metro UI is not as convenient for a productivity environment in my opinion though. It's also not well suited for a regular PC. It's functional, and highly customizable, but I still prefer the start menu. There was no real reason to remove it except to force people to use Metro for what amounts to the same thing as the start menu. I pretty much turned off the tile system, and changed all my default programs to run in actual desktop programs as I find it more productive.

@kneon
I actually like the Windows phone. Got one free from MS and am very impressed with it. I probably never would have actively searched one out if I were buying a phone though. I'm also not one of those people that does 100 things on my phone. Basically it's texting, calling, and the occasional web page. I'd imagine though that it's people's reluctance to try something different that may keep them away, or they just feel that Google or Apple do it better for whatever reason. All that being said, I still prefer Droid, but hey it was free.:)
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NYC_Gamer  +   537d ago
I'm not concerned about MS or Sony because both companies are smart business wise...
glennco  +   537d ago
I am concerned. The company that is losing money is focussing on games, the company that makes money is focusing on anything but games. Personally I don't see either acting very smart. I will probably go PC this time around and get a console in a few years if I feel the need.
Parapraxis  +   537d ago
I hope the next xbox is a fantastic piece of tech. I'd also like them to get back to focusing on core gamers and offering more exclusive titles.
Proper competition is a great thing in this industry and it benefits all gamers. Get back to putting out awesome exclusive titles that will keep Sony & Nintendo on their toes and quit the bs backroom dlc and timed exclusive deals, that money can be spent in better ways.

@theWB27 below: I own 25 exclusive PS3 titles and 4 exclusive 360 titles right now (after trades n stuff)
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4lc4pon3  +   537d ago
I am a Playstation fanboy and I will admit this. I will be buying the PS4 on launch period. I did own a 360 but for myself personally I saw no real need for it because honestly I saw no real exclusives to keep me attached. The only game I cared for was "Gears Of War"

I dont play much online gaming so exclusives, single player story games are what I like and I felt the 360 lacked these big time. Who knows maybe microsoft has smartened up and we will see at E3 but i they dont start pushing out NEW IPs/exclusives i wont be buying it.

Another concern it the Kinect 2.0. How much of the durango will be Kinect focused? I am not a fan of the Move or even the kinect. I find these items very kiddish.

M$ has really got to impress me or they lose me. Do I believe the Durango will sell like hot cakes? absolutely
theWB27  +   537d ago
Can I ask you how many PS3 exclusives do you own? Legit question cause alot of people talk about them, but I highly doubt every exclusive Sony releases appeal to the people who state this over n over again.
Minato-Namikaze  +   537d ago
i probably own a good 60 exclusives out of 165 games.
amiga-man  +   537d ago
The majority of my games this gen have been exclusives, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm 1&2, Warhawk, MGS, Killzone 2&3, Little big planet 1&2, Heavy Rain, Gran Tourismo, God of War, Demon Souls are just some off the top of my head with such quality and diversity I'm surprised you would doubt their appeal.
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theWB27  +   537d ago
@Minato- are we talking sequels and downloadable games...or you counting a series as 1 and disc based games?
Minato-Namikaze  +   537d ago
disc, downloadable and sequels. For instance uncharted, uncharted 2, dead nation would be counted as 3 games in my book.
Jek_Porkins  +   537d ago
I pointed this out earlier today, but had Sony not jumped the gun with their announcement of the PS4, nobody would be reacting this way when it comes to Microsoft and the next Xbox.

The next Xbox wont be coming out until November, so they have plenty of time to show us what it has to offer, and there is this pretty big gaming show called E3, maybe some of you have heard of it? Ya, well that is the perfect venue to show off a new console.

Considering that Sony actually divulged very little information about the PS4, so little info in fact that you cannot even pre-order one right now. I think Microsoft is fine as long as they announce something right before or right at E3. Nobody is going to make a decision right this second, unless they were already decided, as we all have brands we might prefer.
4lc4pon3  +   537d ago
i have my funds already ready for the PS4. Day one for me. I am on the egde about the durango they need to highly impress me with games and not some stupid kiddy kinect 2.0 nonsense.
Knight_Crawler  +   537d ago
Dam son you must be rich.

Say the PS4 cost $600 bones and the 720 $550 bones...thats over a thousand dollars on two consoles o_O

But i know people who own a Ipad 3 , Ipad Mini and Iphone5 so this is chump change to some people.
Jek_Porkins  +   537d ago
How can you be on "edge" about the next Xbox when we've heard nothing about it? Seems to me you already have your mind made up.

I haven't decided on the PS4 yet, need to see it, see the price point and release date, and see some games for the thing.

Did you know the PS4 has a light up controller? And a "Kinect like" camera itself?
4lc4pon3  +   537d ago
well im def not poor. I actually have a fantastic paying job so money is not really any issue. I wont be buying the 720 unless they prove to me they are putting focus into new ips.

Halo (Sucks)
gears of war (good but is now old) Judgement fell short)

then you got Fable & Forza which I have no interest int.

the only games I did enjoy was Kameo and condemned when the console was released but to me the console has gone down over the years. Microsoft IMO shifted focus on making it a media center with stupid Kinect rather then a gaming console.

I have x2 3d smart tv's that have netflix on them and what not I dont need another damn media center. I want a gaming console
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BlueTemplar  +   537d ago
You couldnt preorder a 360 till several months after announcement also - I remember waiting impatiently at the time to get one guaranteed for launch
StrongMan  +   537d ago
"The next Xbox wont be coming out until November,"

Proof? Or is that yet another "rumor" you pull out of your butt?
Jek_Porkins  +   537d ago
We all know that Microsoft is coming out with a new console this year, November is the holidays and makes the most sense.

They have plenty of time to show off the console before E3 or at E3 if they so choose. Honestly I understand this is Sony land or the Sony Defense Team network, but it makes sense to wait and build up hype, like Microsoft or hate them, you can bet your butt that everyone will be tuning in to what Microsoft has to show, doesn't matter if you tune in to watch them fall on their ass or to bring the awesomeness, just about every gamer will be watching.

Microsoft hasn't had to announce a thing and they dominate the headlines, that just goes to show what any type of press will do for you, negative or positive.
BitbyDeath  +   537d ago
"but had Sony not jumped the gun with their announcement"

Previously Sony had released a new console every 6 years, PS4 is late by 1 year. Sony didn't jump the gun, they are late.

PS1 - 1994
PS2 - 2000
PS3 - 2006
PS4 - 2013

Nintendo was the only one to release on schedule.
360 is going onto it's 8th year, that is a really long time.
Likely will be on its 9th or possibly even 10th if it doesn't release in time for this year.
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JeffGUNZ  +   536d ago
He meant jump the gun with the announcing it prematurely. A lot of people are upset they didn't show the console, they didn't have a solid release DATE, they did not have a price point, they showed mainly sequels/not as many games as we hoped for, etc.
BitbyDeath  +   536d ago
If they announced everything in one go then you wouldn't have any surprises for later gaming events.

That isn't premature it is smart business.
Conzul  +   537d ago
These M$ doom article crack me up. M$ will always be the king of making money - it's what they're good at. They aren't going anywhere.
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Half-Mafia  +   537d ago
The problem I see MS having is if the 720 message is all about entertainment & Kinect with little core talk. Then they are going to have a hard time selling the 720 at £300-£400 + Gold fee, when you can still buy a PS3/360, Apple TV and Roku for the entertainment apps.
Dlacy13g  +   537d ago
Ok, just looking at the authors article about the doom and gloom of MS and windows 8 sucking I got curious. Certainly Windows 8 has come under some heavy fire for its desktop interface. So that got me thinking ...maybe MS really is losing its share in the OS space. So I did some investigating and searched some online stores to see what was being offered up for OS on desktops (keep in mind this doesn't factor versions just the OS maker):

Best Buy:
Desktop Operating Platform
Windows (1275)
Mac (15)
Linux (1)
Chrome (1)
Android (1)

Amazon: Out of all of these brands being sold on Amazon only Apple was being offered with a non-Windows OS.

Acer
Alienware
Apple
ASUS
CyberpowerPC
CybertronPC
Dell
Gateway
HP
iBUYPOWER
Lenovo
Sony
Toshiba

New Egg:
Narrowed to Business Desktops
285 Windows OS Only

Narrowed to Gaming Desktops:
1 Chrome OS
134 Windows OS

Narrowed to Student/Home Desktops:
1 Android
1 Linux
118 Windows OS

Laptops/Notebooks:
Out of all of them they had 39 non Windows laptops out of 906 results.

Clearly Windows in one form or another still is dominating in retail and that is where a majority of computers are sold.

So I don't really buy into this MS is hurting in their Windows segment the author is trying to say.
kneon  +   537d ago
Windows isn't going anywhere, but home use of PC's is likely to decline which will impact revenue.

For most people a PC is massive overkill, you don't need a PC to send the occasional email and surfing lolcats. And since most people can't maintain a PC then a tablet is a better choice for most home use.

The long term implication of this is that PC gaming will also suffer since many people start PC gaming because they already have a PC. If the xbox.next fails to gain traction then their role in the consumer market will be significantly diminished.
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AO1JMM  +   537d ago
NO

/thread
imsocool1234  +   537d ago
Even if they fell out of the console market they still have millions from their os and tablet.

In my opinion, Windows XP is still the best OS ever. every other version before and after was and is garbage. Windows 8 is so glitchy and offers things that are useless to me. Windows 8 is full of clutter.
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Belking  +   537d ago
As long as any version of windows still occupy over 90% of computers around the world, Microsoft will be OK. After all still have billions to fall back on. Not many corps can say that.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   537d ago
Sensationalist fanbait based on nothing. Shows a real ignorance of the current market.
SpinalRemains138  +   535d ago
I think everything Microsoft currently does is crappy, except WP8. I really do think WP8 is the best mobile OS.

Their PC os is crappy though. W8 is not a peerfect fit for tablets and pcs. They have essentially taken a dump on their xbox supporters by turning it into a camera game console. They have a history of doing this though. They build their base, then drop all the support for that base. It's just business.

Microsoft will stay around for many years, and like the NY Yankees, they make many many mistakes. It's just that we tend to forget the mistakes and remember only what makes them wildly popular. It's a numbers game. Throw 10 darts at the board and one is bound to stick.

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