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Submitted by Garethvk 383d ago | opinion piece

Has Nintendo Already Become An Afterthought In the Next Generation Battle

Gareth at Skewed and Reviewed has posted an opinion piece that asks if Nintendo is already an afterthought in the battle for the next generation. He cites a lack of buzz and sales for the new Nintendo system and states that the 2013 holiday season may bea make or break time for the Wii U with the launch of new systems coming from Sony and Microsoft. (Nintendo, Wii U)

Update Nintendo were at Wondercon and we have a couple images up with some other Wondercon images here.

http://sknr.net/2013/03/31/...

GuruStarr78  +   384d ago
As a Wii U owner, I've pondered the same question, but in the end, it all really comes down to Nintendo delivering "the Goods"..

Games like Metroid, Zelda, a new mario galaxy, mario kart, etc.. etc, will eventually validate my purchase... I'm not worried about the Wii U not getting a next-gen call of duty port... personally, If I get those types of games, I'll get them on the PS4 or the next xbox... where there's trophy/achiement support and a larger online community..
NastyLeftHook0  +   384d ago
I agree, Im all for next gen too with these amazing things that are happening with ps4 ect, but i also love the nintendo franchises. zelda, metroid, starfox, mario, ect are reasons i will get a wii u. nostalgia.
chrisarsenalsavart  +   383d ago
just bought mine this week end for £200 deluxe pack brand new and although i will be buying the ps4, i am still pretty pleased with my purchase. and wiiu doesn,t need to sell like wii to be a success. when i hear people comparing the wiiu with the cube, i feel pretty good about it because if i can get as much great experiences with the wiiu as i had with the cube then i will be a happy man.
nintendo will never be an afterthought in my heart.
wait for the new zelda, and metroid, and you ,ll see what i am talkng about
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ATi_Elite  +   383d ago
Yeh but when is Nintendo gonna start pumping out the High quality first party games?

this Christmas is gonna be over loaded with PS4/x720 stuff that the WiiU is just gonna get drowned.

I don't think Mario is gonna save Nintendo this time around as they have wasted too much time!
Munnkyman  +   383d ago
I think with the ps4 and xbox is going to be about price. If they are around 399 they well sell alot, but if the price is more then than that it will be harder for them to move consoles. W/e nintendo comes out with by the end of the year will move wii u's no matter whats coming out
Ck1x  +   383d ago
I guarantee that the new WiiU 3d Mario will outsell any PS4/720 game by a very large margin come this Christmas hands down...
Picture_Dancer  +   383d ago
Don't you think it is sad that Nintendo only offers the same games over and over again: Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc. I think it is worse scheme than new call of duty games, or the same Fifa games wvery year. Nintendo is sellind the same games since their first console.

Nintendo offers worst sequelstation in the history and the least innovative and new IPs.

Such commercial company aimed only for money.
chrisarsenalsavart  +   383d ago
the only reason you feel that way is because third party publishrs did not support nintendo the way they done with the other two.
and please every company is about making money.
KentBlake  +   383d ago
I don't see how anyone could disagree with you. It is a fact that Nintendo uses the same franchises since the beginning. I'm not a Nintendo hater at all, and I hope e WiiU does well, but they really need to step up their game if they want to compete with Sony and MS. The Nintendo fans are getting older and I don't see them creating a new fanbase.

They need a lot of new exclusive IPs to stay alive during next-gen, especially because third party support is gonna disappear once PS4 and NextBox arrive.
Ck1x  +   383d ago
I have stated this before and I'll state it again! Its not that Nintendo needs new IP's so much, as it would be better for them to revisit some of their many existing ones that they have created in the past and update those. With all the credit you guys give to Sony for all the new IP's they bring out every Gen(lol). Nintendo's total list of owned franchises that they haven't even touched in years trounces Sony's list of games in number easily. You guys can't use the excuse that well isn't it obvious since Nintendo has been out much longer, because according to you N4G trolls Nintendo has never done anything outside of the Mario, Metroid and Zelda games...
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BosSSyndrome  +   383d ago
Same IP's, different games. That simple.
miyamoto  +   382d ago
Nintendo and Mario is like the McDonald's and Happy Meal of gaming franchises.
Nintendo and Mario is like the McDonald's and Happy Meal of gaming franchises.

Whether you like it or not this is how franchise business go.

They have to keep the same formula through the years or it will be a different product altogether.

Its up to you if you will still eat it.
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deafdani  +   382d ago
Mario 64 isn't the same as Mario Sunshine isn't the same as Mario Galaxy.

Zelda Ocarina isn't the same as Majora's Mask isn't the same as Wind Waker isn't the same as Twilight Princess (well, Twilight is similar in some things to Ocarina, I'll give you that)... isn't the same as Skyward Sword.

Metroid Prime 1, 2, and 3 are similar, of course. But they weren't released in a yearly basis. Also, Metroid Other M is VERY different to the Prime games, and it's been hated a lot, despite it actually being a pretty good game. Flawed in some areas, yes, but still pretty damn good.

But whatever, haters like you will only hate Nintendo just for the sake of it.
AsimLeonheart  +   383d ago
Yes, you can get games like COD on PS4 or XBOX720 and keep Wii U only for exclusives but not everybody thinks like that. Most people can only afford a single console so they choose the one with the most games that suit their tastes. People will still buy Wii U but without major third party games, Wii U will lack mass appeal as THE console to own. As a result, only hardcore Nintendo fans interested in their first party titles will buy it as a secondary console. Third party support is essential for sales and competing with other consoles (the original Wii is an exception here which had the advantage of motion controls).
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jcnba28  +   384d ago
Nintendo have nothing to worry about. Get N or get OUT! :)
LOL_WUT  +   383d ago
You sound way too confident anything can happen... ;)
Garethvk  +   384d ago
Thank you. I can honestly say I have been unimpressed so far. Not only that, but Nintendo has offered very poor supoort to media. Once it was launched, they have been very stingy on news and review materials to many in the press. We were lucky as we have been given good access to the system and games, but honestly I think I have turned the console on more in the past 2 months to show my wife movie trailers on the big screen downstairs more than I have to play a game. I played ZombieU for a few minutes again last week to show the console to a guest. They were not impressed with how a person has to stand constantly to play that game nor with the control system. Mario looked a bit better to him but he noted how it did not look that much better than the last one he played.

I really hope that what is coming is good, and that by the time we get to E3 we will have tons of great looking games to write about and cover.
NastyLeftHook0  +   384d ago
yes, i believe its all in the developers hands to maximize its potential. the franchises are there, but they need to really start setting the bar higher for itself for the wii u.
GuruStarr78  +   384d ago
Yeah... as much as I REALLY want to play something on my WII U, there's nothing... I'm burnt out on 2d mario and ZombiU just wasn't that great.. I'm thinking about getting the new lego undercover game, but it seems almost too juvenile for my taste... Until we get something, it'll just serve as a cool "netflix player"..

oh and btw; monster hunter 3 ultimate, I rented.... and really disliked it..
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C-Thunder  +   383d ago
Why did you buy it? The four games you listed are the only major games that were expected to release to this point, except for Rayman. Shouldn't you have expected to feel this way?
wantonGamer  +   383d ago
You have to stand to play Zombi U ? Why ?
BosSSyndrome  +   383d ago
Dunno wth he's talking about, I never stood once through the whole game.
Garethvk  +   384d ago
We were there at E3 in the Nokia theater when they announced it in 2011 and I thought it had promise. When we saw it in 2012 I was not that impressed as what I saw were games that were only slightly better graphic wise from the Wii in terms of Nintendo exclusives and third party games that did not look that much better than what we get on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

During Comic Con they had a special area for press to play the systems that was not open to the public and this allowed us to reallly get an idea for it. I asked my wife if she thinks it is worth getting, and she said yes, for the reason that it looks like a fun system for social gaming and entertaining at parties like the way Wii Sports was played. She liked the new Mario Bros alot but I see that she is more interested in SimCity and Dance Central 3 than she is in anything for the Wii U. I am doing reviews so my story is a bit different, but Bioshock Infinite, and Starcraft: Heart of the Swarm have far more draw for me currently than anything they have out. I want to see something more than a casual or childs game with better graphics. They have the hardware, lets see a solid game with good online play that we will want to get. They do not have a signature game for the unit as of yet. Nintendo fans will play Mario, Smash Bros and such, but they need a big time hook.
Chrono  +   383d ago
I think Nintendo fans mostly care about Nintendo's own IPs only.
colonel179  +   383d ago
It's actually true. I want a Wii U ONLY for Nintendo games. Every friend who wants one, also wants the same. I don't know anyone who wants to play Fifa, Mass Effect 3, etc on a Nintendo console.

I am waiting to see the new Zelda and new Mario, which they already said they are coming, and which other franchises get announced to decide if I buy one.
lilbroRx  +   383d ago
You have some strange friends. Me and most of my friends by Nintendo creative games and for the exsclusives like Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101 and Monoliths Xeno title.

I've owned every Nintendo console exept the SNES and I had a huge library on each, but 1st party Nintendo games were rarely a part of it aside from Metroid.
Ck1x  +   383d ago
While this is a true statement it should also be the reason that people want a PS4 or bought a PS3! I can't tell you hypocritical it is for people to run to these community sites and tout Sony exclusives when most of you would rather play some halfed baked game, instead of some exclusive game Sony spent millions and millions of dollars to create... Just go look at the top 10 games on the sales chart for both the Wii and the PS3. I guarantee that 8 out of the top selling games on the Wii are all Nintendo games and 7-8 out of the 10 on PS3 are probably 3rd party. While many may argue well Nintendo doesn't have very strong 3rd party support and this would be true dating back to the N64. The number one selling game on Sonys console should still be a Sony created IP though. The fact of the matter is that in the end Nintendo has more brand loyalty than Sony does. Sony could sell 70million of the PS4 this Gen to Nintendo's 30million for the WiiU and I guarantee overall Nintendo's games would sell higher and be more profitable for Nintendo then Sony's hands down.
Godmars290  +   383d ago
There's certainly a danger that devs have moved on from it.
wantonGamer  +   383d ago
So I was at a mall in yesterday and there was a Nintendo promotion team with a couple Wii U's. I played this game that takes place in a classic arcade style Donkey Kong level where you're in a small cart and you have to race to Peach or Daisy I dunno.

But it was really no fun because you had to hold the controller perfectly straight and use it as a steering wheel. All the while I was trying to look at the touchscreen to see if something cool was going on and it was very confusing.

So I gave the controller back to the guy, he shoved some swag in my hands and I left.
Munnkyman  +   383d ago
Prob one of the most fun games on nintendo land.
VsAssassin  +   383d ago
While Nintendo definitely has sure-fire hits in the form of the traditional games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, people will always look at the 'other' things the Wii-U has to offer.

I don't own a Wii-U yet, but from my perspective, Nintendo really needs to secure third party IPs if they want to entice non-Nintendo games gamers to buy their system.
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OmegaSlayer  +   383d ago
Either Nintendo stops making home consoles and keeps making portables and starts making multiplat games for home consoles...
or should make home consoles only for their games and nothing else.
It would be better for everyone.

@VsAssassin
Why do they need third party games since no Nintendo fan buys them?
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C-Thunder  +   383d ago
3rd party exclusives are important to Nintendo too. Devs just need to remember when making one who their audience is and to be sure to make a game that fits on the console. 3rd party multi platform games won't do well on their system since the PS4 and maybe the next Xbox will provide a better version due to Nintendo's system being so different.
OmegaSlayer  +   383d ago
It costs to make games, a third party can't afford to make a game only for Nintendo
C-Thunder  +   383d ago
Well, there are third party exclusives already announced, so clearly, that's not accurate.
Xer0_SiN  +   383d ago
YES!! *points index fingers in the air* YES!! YES!!
SAYGUH  +   383d ago
IDK about you guys but if ya don't go & buy 3rd party titles on the Wii U they will stop makin them for Nintendo. Why the hell not? I buy em, not just 1st party titles I only buy what catches my fancy regardless what friends, the media, or whoever else says
profgerbik  +   383d ago
It kills me hearing the same recited mantra.. Zelda, Metroid and Mario..

Don't you guys want to play new games? New IP's? I am not expecting you to want to play COD or Battlefield.. or any of these mainstream games everyone is obsessed with that really aren't that great but just in general, don't you want more games for your system?

Don't you want the Wii U to have more developer support? How does that look to a developer seeing the majority of their user base only cares about Nintendo's IP's, some have even gone as far as saying that is all they bought the Wii U for.. which I find highly ridiculous.

The bad thing is though Nintendo has always had some type of trouble with good third party support and they said it would be different this time around but oddly it doesn't appear to be, it almost appears as if it has gotten worse for them.

I don't get why more Wii U users don't want more variety in their games either. I don't buy a Playstation for literally only Sony IP's.. I don't buy an Xbox just to play games made by Microsoft.. Why would I buy a Wii U just for Nintendo IP's? Good or not you should want more out of it.

Variety is a good thing and so is balance, I don't think focusing on nothing but in house games will have a good end result in the long run. It may last now but it seems more developers are seeing what I see, as to why it seems so many are not even acknowledging the Wii U at all.

I mean there are already PC, PS3 and 360 multiplats that aren't ever coming to the Wii U. Now we are hearing even more about upcoming games for the next generation not even coming to the system. How is that good to anyone supporting the device, seeing how little support it is actually getting?

You should want to see more attention from developers for your system, you should welcome new IP's that aren't made by Nintendo.

It is just even more ironic because these same fans will go on about how Sony and Microsoft never do anything new, constantly making sequels for over used franchises.. Nintendo has been doing the same but way longer, some of their franchises being used still span back 30 years before I was even born. How is that any different? Then to make matters worse, that is the only thing most Nintendo fans ask for are the same games over and over.. most have the nerve to call out anyone who mentions other games like Uncharted, Killzone, Halo, CoD ect but where do they get off?

..and hey I personally don't care for those game either too much myself.. I just think it is a very weird contradiction of sorts. Hating on other fans simply because they like the same games time and time again but then that is all they want out of the Wii U?
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MasterCornholio  +   383d ago
A Nintendo fans obsession with Nintendo games is what kills 3rd party support on the console.

I am a PS3 owner but I'm not blind with passion for Sony games. This is the reason why unlike many hardcore fanboys I am able to enjoy games that are not made by Sony. If I truly was a Sony fanboy I would miss out on games like Vanquish, Dishonored, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Red Dead Redemption, Burnout Paradise, Mass Effect 3, BioShock 2, DeadSpace 2, bullet storm, Elder Scrolls V Skyrim, Dead or Alive 5, Mortal Kombat 9, Just Cause 2, Crysis 2 and Limbo.

Smart gamers are people who don't attach themselves to any brand and they only play games that they enjoy.

Now Nintendo fans have a chance to prove to 3rd party developers that the Wii U is a console worth making games for by buying their games. This means that if Need For Speed bombs on the Wii U you can forget about any future titles from Criterion since they are owned by EA. And you all know what kind of relationship EA has with Nintendo.

Motorola RAZR i
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SAYGUH  +   383d ago
Did we just do telepathy, cuz you my friend are on point. These so called Nintendo fans give us a bad name everywhere, only buyin Mario, Zelda, & Metroid. OMG, & they never try anythang new!!! As soon as I get my hardrive for the Wii U I WILL BUY DES EX HUMAN, WATCHDOGS, hell I'll even download Ninja Gaiden!!!! XD
SAYGUH  +   383d ago
OH & BATMAN, IT'LL BE SWEET!!! XD
urwifeminder  +   383d ago
I will be looking to get a wii u eventually just not right now.
Dgamer  +   383d ago
I think Nintendo was an after thought to most the industry and gamers since the game cube. I know most of my friends left the big N alone around the launch of PS2. When you look at the industry, no matter what Nintendo does its over looked misunderstood, or labeled a gimmick until someone else does it. The Wii U is being over looked right now based of what Sony and Microsoft might offer, and that's just consumers looking to get the best console. The Wii U will sell because Nintendo have games that sell systems, but most 3rd parties will probably short hand the console because Nintendo is simply not a Hardcore or Cool brand to have your games on. And yes, I own the Wii U and its awesome honestly, IMO.
Dgamer  +   383d ago
What's the purpose of the PS4 touched honestly? How is that better than having a screen? Its better cause Nintendo didn't make it, lol. That's just how it is.
DivineAssault  +   383d ago
i think so. Even if a really cool zelda or metroid is around the corner, i wouldnt even be 1/10 as excited as i am for the PS4.. Wii u looks like a toy compared to it.. Look i own a wii u & i swear i havent played it since launch month & i have 2 games for it
Donnieboi  +   383d ago
To answer the title's question:

Yes, the Wii U has become an afterthought. AT BEST, it is a companion system just to get some Nintendo exclusives. That's it. Ever since Iwata became prez, that's all Nintendo's consoles have ever amounted to in the eyes of the core (and I don't care how much Wii 1 sold, only casuals cared--the rest of us bought it when the price dropped drastically or used, thus Nintendo got little profit from us).

Nintendo might never go the route of SEGA (becoming a 3rd party dev), but I think they are heading towards an even worse route--becoming like SNK/Neo-Geo--still making low tech consoles and riding on 1st party games only. If Nintendo keeps this up, there will be a time where even some retailers won't even want to stock their consoes/machines for a lack of sales (just like Neo Geo). It really COULD get THAT bad with Iwata around. Kick him, get another CEO, and let's see the Nintendo's TRUE potential shine again...
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PopRocks359  +   382d ago
Honestly, by true potential are merely talking about doing precisely what Sony and Microsoft are doing? Because I don't see anyone buying their platforms when they can get the latest Playstation and have it do exactly the same thing. That's part of why the GCN sold so little in its own generation; it had the big Nintendo IPs, but no online and it lacked the PS2's large library despite being stronger on a hardware level.

You're also telling the company to remove the CEO who helped make the Wii a huge success, bigger than Nintendo's had in the two previous generations combined. His decisions also saved the 3DS and turned it from a platform no one was buying into the quintessential portable dedicated gaming platform.

I'm not saying Nintendo's choices are always right, but I don't see why you seem to think everything they do is wrong. Or why you feel the need to insult me just about every time you've given me a reply.
Donnieboi  +   382d ago
Looks like I got a stalker :O
PopRocks359  +   382d ago
I'm a stalker because I replied to one of your comments and remember the other ones being incredibly insulting? Makes sense.

Oh. Oh you were joking. I see. I'm sorry I forgot to laugh. Thanks for being mature and staying on topic.
Donnieboi  +   382d ago
Ok on my ignore list. Seek help.
PopRocks359  +   382d ago
Someone is in love!
ame22  +   383d ago
Nintendo need to rethink their strategy fast. In order to tip things to their favor they need something as big as a relaunch; they need a very intensive marketing campaign after a heavy price cut and some top tier first party games to go with that.
Realplaya  +   383d ago
How can you be an afterthought when people say your name every day. Wasn't Tiger Woods an afterthought not to long ago but he now has an ad that says something like winning makes everything alright.
If Nintendo play there cards right and somehow upstage the other two companies they can win.

Here are a few keys.

1. We know how Nintendo likes to come out and throw numbers around well this year screw the numbers as a consumer who cares what you sold.
2. Games make it all about the games get the blood pumping.
3. Your system has been laughed at from a technical stance and your fans are worried time for you to show A Zelda, Metroid, Starfox,and something else we haven't seen that exceed expectations.
4. Time to incorporate some of the competitions ideas Add a color palette to mi verse.
5. Show third party games that haven't been out for years.
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NYC_Gamer  +   383d ago
I'm not buying Wii-U but Nintendo does have their own market of gamers
arbitor365  +   383d ago
in every single conference regarding next gen technologies and developer tools, the wii u isnt even mentioned. it is totally irrelevant in that department. in terms of online and third party devs it is beyond irrelevant.

all they have to appeal to hardcore gamers are their first party games.

we are basically where we were with the wii. only this time, there are no casuals to pad out the sales. so the wii u is doomed to complete and total irrelevancy this coming gen.
Triggytrolls  +   382d ago
ZombiU with the game pad is one of the best gaming experiences I've had in a while, and one of the best survival horror games I've played in years.

The bad thing is, I've hardly used my WiiU since I completed that and Mario. (Mario was only "okay")

If switching from an xbox 360 to a decent PC is anything to go by for next gen I'm not overly excited. Yes, games look a lot better, but at the end of the day it's still the same games we've been playing for years. Through out this gen I've gradually got bored of playing games, I don't know if it's just me or if it's the games that I've been playing.
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lema008  +   382d ago
Without a doubt, it's all but over for Nintendo being taken serious next gen.

I went to my local Walmart and saw a small child playing the Wii U and overheard the mother saying how cute the game look.

But I did notice they were all out of Wii U deluxes. It will be interesting to see the next hardware figures to see if sales are improving.

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