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AMD on the PS4: We gave it the hardware Nvidia couldn't

AMD came roaring into GDC 2013 with a vengeance. Not only did the chipmaker introduce its first branded line of dedicated cloud gaming graphics cards - the Radeon Sky Series - we got a taste of what it claims is the world's fastest GPU.
Attendees of a Tuesday night press conference saw the GPU, the Radeon HD 7990, make its first public appearance. Later, a set of 7990s powered EA's 17-minute introductory Battlefield 4 demo on the big screen. (AMD, GDC 2013, NVIDIA, PS4, Xbox One)

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iGAM3R-VIII  +   535d ago | Well said
Well Nvidia got their heads stuck up their a** now. They probably aren't happy at Sony and AMD. Well they should of seen that coming, you can't just bash 2 companies and expect them to not get you back, *sigh* Nvidia.....
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gaffyh  +   535d ago
This is a really great interview, lots of good details regarding the PS4's architecture.
Army_of_Darkness  +   535d ago | Well said
"nvidia are just bitter"
I think everyone realized that except for the hardcore nvidia pc fanboys..
They can trash talk and hate on the ps4 for now, but once it releases and we start seeing what developer can do with it, i will expect a little silence from them and return to their cave...
cayleee   535d ago | Trolling | show
gaffyh  +   535d ago | Well said
@cayleee - Everyone knows you are a PC fanboy, but I'll reply to one part of your comment anyway. Component manufacturers almost always make a profit on what they are selling, and if anyone thinks that nVidia didn't make a profit from being in the PS3, they are just stupid. It might not have been an obscene profit, but it was a profit nonetheless.

Maybe get your head out of nVidia's ass and look at the situation as a whole and it's pretty clear that the nVidia comments are damage control from their side. There is NO WAY, that they didn't try and get in on the console business this gen. First and foremost they are a BUSINESS, and any money they can make is good for them and their shareholders.
R6ex  +   535d ago
"We gave it the hardware Nvidia couldn't"

Well, obviously! Nvidia's Project Denver sees the light of day only in late 2014 to early 2015.
beepbeepnmyjeep  +   535d ago
@gaffyh - not defending anyone's argument, but if you look at revenue gained from Nvidia's venture with ps3, it was not all that great as most of the proceeds go to sony, nowhere on a ps3 do you see nvidia. Hence this is why the past year and a half or so we've seen Nvidia chasing desktop/workstation graphics. So with this information we can kind of conclude that Nvidia's plight of raising their noses at consoles this upcoming generation is justified; because if one goes into thinking a business will do anything for a dollar then you are wrong. AMD on the otherhand is starving for business, they have not had a leading graphics card on the market for almost two years between those two companies, with smaller margins, fewer employees, and more overhead this company was desperate for a contract no matter what the dollar amount. Just look at the reports given in a financial sense and you could easily conclude this, don't just run around with the argument : Oh Nvidia is bitter running their mouths, or AMD suck blah blah blah.
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Tr10wn  +   535d ago
@Army_of_Darkness

Everyone knows Nvidia has more quality than Ati is really no secret that Sony went with AMD because it was cheaper for them and for us, while i don't like ATI i like AMD CPU's i hope this deal help them get out of their debts.
Gaming101  +   535d ago
The problem is, everyone is comparing the traditional x86 architecture of PC's to the PS4, and it's not an apples to apples comparison. The article outlines this rather well with the interview:

"For us, really by looking at that APU that we designed, you can't pull out individual components off it and hold it up and say, 'Yeah, this compares to X or Y.'

"It's that integration of the two, and especially with the amount of shared memory [8GB of GDDR5, 176GB/s raw memory bandwidth] that Sony has chosen to put on that machine, then you're going to be able to do so much more moving and sharing that data that you can address by both sides.

"It's more than just a CPU doing all these amazing calculations and a GPU doing calculations. We are now going to be able to move certain tasks between the two."

Devs, he said, will be able to push the console's capabilities beyond a traditional x86 PC architecture, and multithreading - being able to take advantage of all eight cores - is going "to become a huge deal for a lot of the big blockbuster games."
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rainslacker  +   535d ago
Here's some food for thought, particularly for those saying it's just not worth it for NVidia.

If Nvidia only made a $5 net profit on each chip manufactured(probably low ball figure), then over the life of 80 million consoles(arguably an obtainable sales number) they would have made a profit equal to about 5% of their current worth.

Yeah, so not worth their time. I'm sure investors don't care about a 5% increase in profits. /s
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Nitrox  +   535d ago
rainslacker-

Nvidia didn't technically say it wasn't worth it, they said they looked at the opportunity cost of competing to get into the console market, and the justification wasn't there. That's why they wanted more $$$ than Sony was willing to shell out, to shift the justification to a level they were more happy with.

They're trying to make some major headway in the mobile market right now and didn't want to put various projects on hold to focus on console development. So maybe they looked at it like "Well, we can go for a 5% profit increase going the console route. Or... We can take a gamble on some of our own ideas and possibly see a significantly larger increase."
rainslacker  +   535d ago
I'm aware. Nvidia isn't one to slouch when it comes to trying to be a major player in any market they have an interest in.

Some people on here were just saying it isn't worth it for Nvidia based on their presumption that consoles don't return enough profit to make it worthwhile. I was just trying to put things in perspective.

Nvidia does make some really good products, and their reputation is really well deserved. That reputation does come at a cost though, and to me, if a comparable experience or tech can be offered cheaper to me then there is no reason to really hold on to brand loyalty.
IAmLee  +   535d ago
Tomorrows articles:
'Nvidia says PS4 is shit.'
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney   535d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(5)
DeadlyFire  +   535d ago
Well there is a reason why Microsoft turned away from NVIDIA after the Xbox and now Sony is doing the same after PS3.
Cueil  +   534d ago
NVidia is the reason that Microsoft had to stop making Xboxes in the first place a probably a reason why you don't have HDD in every console because of BC license for emulating the Nvidia chipset was built into the HDD price... they thought to highly of themselves and AMD has been angling in this direction for a while it was the Xbox that was there first APU... albeit with a different CPU... the original A8 model was AD3870WNGXBOX s/n Microsoft was a important partner in the development and distribution of the first ever APU. Just another example of competition being good for gamers.
fermcr  +   535d ago
summarizing...

Nvidia had better graphics cards, but was more expensive, since it had to be a GPU from Nvidia and a 3rd party CPU (probably IBM). Nvidia didn't want to budge with their prices, so Sony went with ATI, witch is cheaper with the CPU and GPU all in one. Not as good as the Nvidia (+ 3rd party CPU) solution, but still a good solution and much cheaper.

Sony made a big mistake going with the Cell processor for the PS3, with losses of billions. Now they are going with a much cheaper solution and will most likely make a profit with every PS4 sold from the start.

Microsoft will probably take the same route.
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dcbronco  +   535d ago
It's not about a cheaper solution. Nvidia has Tegra. That's an APU to a certain extent. What the article is mainly talking about is HSA. Nvidia doesn't have that. They are said to be working on it now for Tegra 5.

http://www.theinquirer.net/...

The AMD APU was just a lot better and cheaper than anything Nvidia could offer. They are bitter and scared because AMD is challenging them in every market and that will soon include phones and tablets. And with a better product.
ijust2good  +   535d ago
We all know deep down Nvidia are hurting big time. It must be a bitch for Nvidia not to have any kind of an attention next gen.

CEO of Nvidia- Jen Huang was on stage during 2005 E3 PS3 reveal bragging about console power, he seemed the most excited person on the stage that time. He always did like the attention. Too bad he wont get any this time around. I guess he tried another way to seek the attention he craved with the project SHIELD. Yep, that will threaten console market lol.

start from 07.00
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Jen will certainly be gutted he wont be attending any E3 this year when next gen consoles gets full reveal.
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ZombieNinjaPanda  +   535d ago
Because any company that is offering their products and services to another will talk trash about them at the time they're offering.

Logic fails majority of this website.
S2Killinit  +   535d ago
well to those who think that Nvidia didn't want, or didn't really need the console market, I gotta say, it seems like the way they are responding to it is saying otherwise. I'm actually more of a Nvidia guy than a AMD guy. I don't mind paying a little bit more for that little bit of extra security in knowing I've got a first rate item (not that AMD is bad).But I still gotta say, Nvidia didn't handle this very maturely.
hellvaguy  +   534d ago
And by "maturely" you do mean independent of their right to their own opinion? You mean they throw in a slight dig at sony for using cheaper parts then they would have used, (which may or may not be fact, again just their opinion), but as a devote sony zealot, the dig cut you deep.

Fanboys of all sides need to stop pretending that they know the "true motivation" of every company out there and that if they speak negatively about their cult company (wii.sony.ms), then obviously they are immature, hurtful, evil or w/e.
BABY-JEDI  +   534d ago
They should just let the games do the talking, anything else is just a waste of time IMO
TAURUS-555  +   534d ago
ive always loved AMD graphic cards so im glad the ps4 got it.
TheLyonKing  +   535d ago
I love a good tit for tat against companies.
knifefight  +   535d ago
Bruce Less vs. Chuck Norris...

King Kong vs. Godzilla...

Mr. T. vs. Rocky Balboa...

And now, the grandest of all superfights...

NVIDIA VERSUS AMD!!!! :o

popcorn.gif
rezzah  +   535d ago
Lee.

Edit:

If "Less" was meant to imply Bruce Lee being lesser to Chuck Norris, know that Bruce kicked his ***.
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AJ Hartley  +   535d ago
Theres even a vid of chuck saying theres no comparison at all that bruce would anhilate him.
Diver  +   535d ago
@rezzah

Bruce Lee action star

Chuck Norris full contact world champion. Bruce asked him to appear in the movie. So basically rigged, fake outcome that would have gone differently in the real world. Something nvidia is learning the hard way.
specialguest  +   535d ago
Despite the fact that there was a lame movie where King Kong beats Godzilla, Godzilla would've acually crushed King Kong like an ant. Godzilla is the size of a tall building. King Kong climbs buildings and fell to his death.

http://www.geekstir.com/wp-...
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e-p-ayeaH  +   535d ago
no love for Rocky vs Drago?
Auron  +   535d ago
Bruce Lee killed Chuck Norris watch way of the dragon. Lee is a Legend.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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strickers  +   535d ago
I love Bruce but he never competed. Chuck said he would have done well. He praised him. However , Chuck was 7 times CONSECUTIVE World champ. Don't dismiss him because Bruce made better movies and was more charming .
Ritsujun  +   534d ago
knifefight vs. gunfight
You lose.
knifefight  +   534d ago
Ritsujun vs. Ritsurin.

Now we're both 0 and 1.
The_Infected  +   535d ago
"Devs, he said, will be able to push the console's capabilities beyond a traditional x86 PC architecture, and multithreading - being able to take advantage of all eight cores - is going "to become a huge deal for a lot of the big blockbuster games."

Sounds very good for Developers.
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clintagious650  +   535d ago
Exactly, I dont see how ppl cant see that. U see devs pushing the ps3/360 even further now even late in their life cycle. If games like god of war ascension, gears of war judgement, the last of us, two souls, red dead redemption, mass effect & many other titles can look this great on these old hardware what makes ppl think they wont be able to push it even further with even better hardware.

I give console devs more credit then pc only devs when it comes to pushing hardware to its limits because with the limited specs they have to work with, they show in these 7 year old hardware. Even with a $2000 swooped up gaming pc, if crysis is all u can pull off, that is not that impressive for all that money u spend every few months for upgrades. Nothing against pc gamers, I just feel that its not worth spending all that money if pc devs cant even push all of that power out of those high end pc's.
Ravenor  +   535d ago
Who is upgrading every few months? I really wish this myth would die, it's getting beyond ridiculous.

I'm happy that you feel it isn't worth it to you, but for things like Planetside 2, The Witcher, Battlefield, Red Orchestra 2 and other games big and small I'm perfectly happy with my "investment" in a PC, just like I'm perfectly happy with my PS3 and 360.

This goes the same for PC only people ragging on console owners, just STOP. Being so divisive makes this place eye gougingly painful to read.
Athonline  +   534d ago
As a software developer (not in gaming):
PC games devs aren't any lazier than console devs -in fact they have to do some extra coding, such as objects destruction for memory freeing.

The problem with PCs is their main advantage: being an open system.

When you test a PC software, even a game, you have the following issues:
-Is it Windows or multi-OS? If the second, libraries compatibility, etc..
-Luck of "proper" testing unit.

In a PC you usually program and test your code in the "worst" machine possible, to make sure it meets the minimum requirements set to you by the project manager. If it works then you get "greedy" and start adding features -in case of games: graphics- for higher computers. However you can't test your code in every possible system out there, limiting your testing to 2-3 configurations. Personally I got a 2000 pounds laptop for coding, work and gaming and yet I am "forced" by my manager to test in an old Core 2 Due machine and a first-gen Nehalem Core i5.

This is why Macs, which are essentially closed systems perform well. I found Blizzard games on a Mac perform better than on Windows or even some newer games still work on older macs. In my office we usually "fight" who is going to do the Mac porting. It is harder to program (XCode is a pain), but the computer configurations available are mostly available for us for de-bugging.

What I am saying is that consoles got a min and max hardware requirements to meet at the same time. PCs only got a min, set by your marketing and consulting teams. You can't max out a PC technically, but due to time and resources constrains you can't really go a lot further than your minimum requirements build.
mcstorm  +   535d ago
IM glad AMD are making the chip and ide rather AMD make it for all 3 than NVIDIA just because AMD are finding it hard in the market because of Intel and NVIDIA making alto with there processors.
Sarobi  +   535d ago
I feel ripped apart in this situation, simply because:

1) AMD seems to be a good fit for consoles and they aren't cocky.

2) Despite being a bunch of A$$Hats, I like Nvidia's graphic cards and have owned them for quite sometime.

So yeah.. definitely a big 'Hate-Love' relationship with Nvidia right now
Dude420  +   535d ago
To your point #2, no they haven't. The GPUs are actually very close to each other in terms of performance, stop over exaggerating. Besides, AMD's GPUs are cheaper in price than Nvidia's anyway, so there's no "ownage" here.
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Dude420  +   535d ago
Sorry i meant point #1, typo
Sarobi  +   535d ago
Well I'm not saying that either is better or worse than the other, I'm happy that AMD has a hand in the next gen devices. I think Nvidia is just being childish lately with their remarks towards PS4. also I meant that I "own" their graphics cards.
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Dude420  +   535d ago
Gah, I apologize for misinterpreting your post, I just woke up this morning and wasn't thinking clearly. Derp on my end...
Cueil  +   534d ago
bang-for-buck is where AMD destroys NVidia and it's been this way for the last couple of years... the days of AMD going toe to toe with NVidia is over
WarThunder  +   535d ago
I used to buy Nvidia cards, but right now i bought AMD HD7850 which is awesome. Cheaper and better than GTX650 and GTX660.

AMD video cards have the best price/performance ratio! Nvidia cards are overpriced.
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Snookies12  +   535d ago
Very true, I'm a happy AMD owner for my PC. :]
jerethdagryphon  +   535d ago
ive a quad core cpu from amd 8gb ram and 5770 ive still to find somethingi want to play or do thats too taxing
SAE  +   535d ago
Yep. It's exactly like Sony against Samsung Tv's. I prefer Samsung because they are cheaper and almost as good as sony's Tv's..

In this situation i prefer AMD over Nvidia for being cheaper..
dcbronco  +   535d ago
Uhmm...when did Sony start making Tvs better than Samsung again. Samsung has been better for years and they are usually a little higher too.
SAE  +   535d ago
No. In my country sony Tv's are much more expensive and famous for having better performance . Maybe it's different in your countries..
wishingW3L  +   535d ago
if only AMD's CPUs weren't so bad....
WarThunder  +   535d ago
AMD FX 8350 is better than any CPU at the price

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

AMD just like their GPU. It has the best price/performance CPUs!

http://www.cpubenchmark.net...

@birdman, if you want to pay more for nothing, thats your choice and opinion.
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WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   535d ago
FX-8350 >:O

First hand experience... It's the best AMD chip to date and it is comparable to intel's mid-range which is great for gaming purposes.
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birdman  +   535d ago
I will still, personally, prefer NVIDIA over AMD just like I prefer Intel over AMD. I think Intel/Nvidia make the best combination in a gaming pc. Not that I have time to keep up with the "latest and greatest". I'm still running a GTX 470 (remains a BEAST) with Sandybridge i7 2770k (stays in BEAST mode 24/7). Still, it only matters what is more compatible with consoles. XBOX 360 has a more powerful GPU (AMD) and PS3 has the more powerful CPU (Intel/IBM/Sony collaboration?). Next gen will be diff't
Truehellfire  +   535d ago
Is it just me or does nobody remember that when this graphics card cycle came out AMD was priced way above nVidia. Wasn't the 7970 like $550 when it came out, and then nVidia released the 680 at $500 and it performed better and used less power. AMD wasn't the lowest price this time around because they wanted to be, it was because they had to be.
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SkullBlade169  +   535d ago
What, you mean low end tablet computer hardware? :P

Nah, on a serious note, it's probably better this way. If the chips aren't as high end that means they won't be using as much power and producing as much heat. Hopefully there won't be as many PS4 hardware failures as there was PS3 ones.
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wishingW3L  +   535d ago
yeah, despite what people want to believe the PS3's failure rate wasn't nowhere near the scale of the RRoD but it still was pretty high.

Most phat PS3 have died. I don't know a single person with a still functional phat PS3 to be honest. Including myself.
one2thr  +   535d ago
My 80 gig model "phat" has not let me down yet, and I'm not planning on buying another playstation until PS4 releases...

Sn: I think the phats look better than the slims, can't resist the appearance of touch sensor buttons and that glossy piano black case with the chrome trim :)
birdman  +   535d ago
I have the coveted 60GB PS3 phat. It runs fine after 5+ years (I bought in late 2007 with some 60GB models left). I've never had but a few issues -- and they were just software glitches (game OCCASIONALLY freezing). FYI, I hear there's some original 360's still going strong after 7+ years. I'm on my 2nd, as is EVERYONE I know. No problems after 2008 redesign though
jerethdagryphon  +   535d ago
i know 3
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   535d ago
I've seen a lot more of the skinny models die on people than the phat models. A buddy of mine went through 2 of the slim models and one of the super slims(the cd hatch broke)... He got mad and hasn't bought a console since. The Phat models are a lot sturdier... another friend of mine has a launch PS3 that does BC and he hasn't had any problems with it besides a little bit longer load times.
rainslacker  +   535d ago
Mine is still going strong. The power button doesn't turn off the system anymore and the fan is louder than before, but other than that it works just as it always has.
Arai  +   535d ago
Great read and the AMD rep handled the questions professionally...as one should.
ps3_pwns  +   535d ago
its the hardware we dont deserve but the hardware we need. ps4 amd ftw
Zha1tan  +   535d ago
I have a GTX 680 and im seriously considering getting an AMD card next time round because their price/performance ratio seems to be holding an advantage over nividia lately. (LOL titan).

I don't fanboy over stupid things like hardware, I go with whoever has the better product and right now that seems to be AMD.
birdman  +   535d ago
We all have opinions. Mine is simply that AMD cards have more technical glitches. Maybe they've cleaned up their act. Nvidia has always been more reliable for people I know who've built systems. I've always used Nvidia with no hiccups. BTW, the 680 is still a great card. To each his own
Mariusmssj  +   535d ago
Nvidia provide superior Hardware+Sofware+Support package.
Coding OpenGL with AMD cards is just torture, drivers are super buggy, those who have done this will know what I mean.
I enjoy playing games in 3D which nvidia provides a great package.
And the new Nvidia Experience software makes configuring and managing game settings a breeze as well and always keeping drivers up to date.

It all depends on what you want, AMD does have raw power and best bang per FPS but that's it. It's not a complete package
Banok  +   535d ago
I upgraded to AMD for the much better price/performance over nvidia.

my AMD card is the noisiest piece of shit tho. and I think AMD still sucks at anti aliasing, which is a huge deal to me.
chukamachine  +   535d ago
When you look at games, I always looked at the rez I wanted to play at, and chose the gpu that offered slightly over that.

Seriously if you want to compare GPU'S etc. Specs.

There is really only one place.

www.gpureview.com/

Titan 4.5tflops.

7990 6.9tlops.
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Mariusmssj  +   535d ago
I assume you understand that you are comparing a SINGLE GPU card vs a DUAL GPU card?
hellvaguy  +   534d ago
"Titan 4.5tflops.

7990 6.9tlops"

You compared a dual gpu to a single? You sir, reek of failure and blind fanboyism.
Agent_hitman  +   535d ago
Hats down for AMD. As a matter of fact I have AMD products and I love it.. Now day 1 for me SONY PS4.
Dms2012  +   535d ago
I dont understand why Nvidia hasnt just come out with their own console, and no, that tegra 4 pos doesnt count, a full blown console.
MikeMyers  +   535d ago
Because it takes a lot of investment and the competition is quite fierce. You have companies like Microsoft and Sony who will subsidize their hardware and offset that by charging royalties and selling peripherals. It is quite the investment to create and supply a full blown console. Nvidia can penetrate more of the market by supplying products to smartphones, tablets and PC's.

Nvidia always seems to be slightly ahead of AMD but the prices are higher. You tend to get more value out of AMD products. Microsoft broke off their relationship with Nvidia after the original Xbox but still had to pay Nvidia royalties for backwards compatibility. That's why it wasn't the best on the Xbox 360. They didn't want to pay for all the games to be emulated. Then Sony went with Nvidia for the PS3 and not it looks like they will also be having issues with backwards compatibility for the PS4. Different design and architecture.

People shouldn't read too much into what Nvidia has to say about the PS4. It is their job to compete with AMD and of course they will make it sound like AMD products are inferior.
Lior  +   535d ago
Look at the nvidia shield its their main priority with terms of console gaming/portable
husomc  +   534d ago
nvidia can't even get developers to fully support their gfx cards on the pc. so obviously they would have reservations about stepping out into the console space.
pissed999   535d ago | Trolling | show
Lone_Man  +   535d ago
yeah right and thats why your share are worth 2 dollars.....sad
Somebody  +   535d ago
Good for AMD. Don't go reveling as yet though since there's nothing else for Intel and Nvidia to do except to out do AMD, make their even better products. We've seen this see-saw of events before. AMD's Athlon VS Pentium, ATI's Radeon VS Nvidia's Geforce. It took several years but they replied with Intel Core 2 and nvidia's Geforce 8800 GTX.

Now it's ATI's and ARM's turn to shine but we all know Intel and nvidia is cooking up something in their labs.
ThreshStar  +   535d ago
Oh how I would LOVE to see what these comments would look like if AMD passed on the PS4 and nVidia became their partner.

"ZOMG AMD is sooooooooo stuped!!!!! nVidia is teh best fer grafics!!!! AMD SUX!!!!"

Face it, a lot of these posts are biased with the "they're on my team so they're the best!" mindset. You know, until the NEXT time it's reversed and then all of a sudden "Time to switch jerseys!"
wishingW3L  +   535d ago
it's kind of sad when you think about it, right?
DwightOwen  +   535d ago
What's even more sad (or hilarious) is reading all these Sony fanboys comments on CPU and GPU tech, pretending to actually know what they're talking about.

Just sit back, shut up, and play whatever your master Sony deems fit to shovel your way peasants.
saint_seya  +   535d ago
DwightOwen: whats more sad its knowing people like you, that its so insecure of a console that needs to try and do something to feel more secure about expending so much money in a video card, that will be outperformed in less than 6 months, to then again, buy another card and repeat the same trend over and over.
We will be having fun playing in the same console and loling at people like u.. that only uses this so powerfull pcs to post nonsense in comment sections of ps4.. guess ps4 its more important in your life that u want to realize.

I love my pc, and i play more often than my ps3 lately because league of legends.. but that dont make me be a troll talking of how much better graphics on my rig are compared to ps3, i can enjoy both, i could enjoy a 360/wii u if a friend let me use it #im not a big fun of the exclusives in those consoles thats why i dont own one#, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have good games.
Theres so much retarded people, that instead of having fun what they got, they need to bash other just because they feel insecure. Play in pc, ps3, 360, wii, wii u, vita, 3ds, android, ios.. it doesnt matter, enjoy what u play, and let others enjoy their games.
If u join a section tagged with the name of a console u dont own, u dont pretend to own, DONT TROLL, if u want to comment, at least try to do it WITH SOME LOGIC.-
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rainslacker  +   535d ago
@Dwight

If I'm not mistaken isn't the 720 rumored to be going with AMD as well? If so what does Sony have to do with the decision to go with AMD for next gen have to do with anything?

Maybe the Sony people are commenting because it's a discussion about the PS4?

Quite honestly, it sounds like Sony found a good solution to shovel our way in terms of price vs. performance. Hopefully MS can do the same. If your referring to PC being better, then why is that pertinent to the discussion about the PS4? More so, I know there are just as many PC gamers who know just as little about the hardware they wax poetically on about.
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millzy102  +   535d ago
not really, you can give me the most powerful pc money can buy and ill still play Nintendo and Sony over it, I don't give 2 shits about power or specs I only care about games, that's why I'm still happy playing ps1, n64 and old sega games, because there fun. pc gamers need to understand a lot of people don't care about gaming on pc, but on the other side of the coin people are delusional thinking ps4 outclasses high end pc's in specs and a lot of the ps4 resources will be kept for game streaming/ recording, multitasking and other background os operation, so the whole system won't be dedicated to game prosessing.
cayleee  +   535d ago
"that's why I'm still happy playing ps1, n64 and old sega games, because there fun"

You do realise PC can play all those games via emulation lol. Good luck maintaining old boxes just to keep BC.
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Amigaengine  +   535d ago
Nothing beats owning the old hardware. Just plug and play, no hardware config, no downloading of illegal torrents etc.
AnimeAvenger  +   535d ago
If you think gaming on PC is only about graphics...I don't even know what to say.
MuhammadJA  +   535d ago
Doesn't change the fact that nVidia is better than AMD. Sony wanted a cheap product, that's why they chose AMD. You get what you pay for.
e-p-ayeaH  +   535d ago
plus AMD graphic capabilities are better to run modern games.
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wishingW3L  +   535d ago
AMD CPUs are really bad but their GPUs are on par with Nvidia's and in many instances even superior.
thecurseddevil  +   535d ago
amd are now officially trolling nvidia,first they got their gpu in all the major 8th gen consoles and now this...
AnimeAvenger  +   535d ago
I highly disagree. Nvidia is proven to perform much better than AMD BUT Nvidia GPUs are more expensive hence why a lot of PC builders go for AMD. So Nvidia could of given better hardware but again Sony doesn't want the console to be expensive so no deal.
Bowzabub  +   535d ago
Nvidia can't give us God of Wars, Uncharted, Killzones, Little Big Planets, Last of Us, etc...
hduce  +   535d ago
Actually Nvidia did give us those games. Last time I checked all of those games are on the PS3 and the PS3 uses a Nvidia graphics card.
Bowzabub  +   535d ago
Not this time around.. The point is I'll be going with the games not the gfx.
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ginsunuva  +   535d ago
I love paraphrasing quotes for headlines.
Loki86  +   535d ago
AMD really pulled a coup here, by taking over the entire console market they opened the door to have the best compatibility with PC games next gen.
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gamernova  +   535d ago
It would be awesome if they could just stick a titan inside a ps4. It would be forever until new consoles were needed. Sure it would be expensive but sacrifices must be made for gaming lol
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   535d ago
With that mentality why don't you just build that rig. :p
gamernova  +   535d ago
Well I would because I am a PC gamer but console gamers usually do not want to deal with it. Haha Can you imagine if Sony had the power of the titan and the power of its exclusives? I know it is not possible but man, that would just be pretty damn cool haha Titans for everyone :D
Dark_king  +   535d ago
Sorry but their are far cheaper an better solutions then the titan.Given they are duel gpu's but still cheaper with better performance.
ACEMANWISE  +   535d ago
Will the PS4 benefit from the easier development process? It's quite a good question to ask oneself. For it has many good answers to ponder.

The PS3 was harder to develop for, this much is true. It was a powerful piece of machinery in it's time. So the discovery of new potential was slow yet groundbreaking. It was a process of discovery that spanned 5 years...a journey that both developer and gamer traveled on.

Yet it prevented many games from reaching their full potential. It prevented many games from even starting.

Now, looking at the percentage of great games vs. the available one must ask if the restriction may have discouraged the less serious or less motivated developer. Could it be that the difficulty of the PS3 resulted in less games released while raising the quality game percentage?

While we know that Sony carried the majority of "push" for their hardware, it may be logical to assume that the difficulty acted as a filter, of some sort, to weed out the less desirable releases. Plus it allowed the progress to be subtle throughout the lifecycle...instead of mastering the potential within a year or two.

The PS4 has shifted it's focus from power to convienance. This is the realm directly related to Microsoft. It's a different game they are playing this generation and I hope it's a good one.

It is this strategy that cut the PS3's life cycle short...not because of the PS3 but because of the 360 and Wii. Both have blown their potential way too fast and caused a downward spiral of interest leaving the PS3 in the spotlight.

As predicted the PS3 has hit it's stride in the marathon race...only to be cut short by the sprinters' need for the next race. It's ashame really because the PS3 still has 3 years of life left. To me, the PS4 seems somewhat sudden, yet welcome, in an age where speed and popularity take precidence over quality and patience.
BrianC6234  +   535d ago
I wouldn't say the PS4 is less powerful. The processor is very powerful. Sony just listened to developers this time and made a console they wanted. With the PS3 it was a bunch of Sony and IBM engineers making what was the most powerful console at the time. But not thinking about how difficult it would be to develop on. Sony did give developers lots of good tools to work with after a while. That's the big difference with the PS4 though. This time they get all the help from the start.
BrianC6234  +   535d ago
Great comeback by AMD. Nvidia is just crying because nobody wanted them for the next generation. They'd love to be supplying graphics chips to Sony and Microsoft.
TemplarDante  +   535d ago
FINALLY AMD RETALIATES!
use them tiger teeth AMD, I got your back dawg.
My chi, mad focused yo!
Suck on that, ENVidia :)
Bitter you dont have business from
Sony
Msft and
Nintendo, sucka!
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joeorc  +   535d ago
There is more to the PS4 than many , even Know!
PS4 will have many launch titles; Trying to replicate PS3 SPU Runtime System – Cerny

Sony has been pushing the fact that the PS4 is incredibly simple to develop for.

The console will be receiving many many titles at launch from first and third-party developers. One of the main reasons for this compared to the PS3 is that it is easier to create a game on the PS4.

Mark Cerny, lead architect of the system, revealed a lot of information to the Japanese press (translated via GAF), and we have some details of that now.

“This will also lead to the main difference with the PS3 era,” he said. “The main difference is, we will have many titles for launch. Because game development is easier, there shouldn’t be a barrier as there had been previously.

“PS3 had the image that it was difficult to develop for. Even the PS2 wasn’t that easy. PS4 has a PC CPU and a GPU that’s been enhanced from a PC so the game lineup should become very rich.”

He also revealed that they are trying to replicate the SPU Runtime System of the PS3. If you remember the SPUs were able to do little tasks very efficiently and at lightning speed, reducing the load off the GPU. Since the PS4 doesn’t have the Cell processor, there needs to be a different way achieve the same effect. Cerny explains how they are trying to accomplish this.

“We’re trying to replicate the SPU Runtime System (SPURS) of the PS3 by heavily customizing the cache and bus,” he said. ”SPURS is designed to virtualize and independently manage SPU resources. For the PS4 hardware, the GPU can also be used in an analogous manner as x86-64 to use resources at various levels.

“This idea has 8 pipes and each pipe(?) has 8 computation queues. Each queue can execute things such as physics computation middle ware, and other proprietorially designed workflows. This, while simultaneously handling graphics processing.”

He also mentioned that developers probably won’t be using this functionality early on in the PS4′s lifecycle but later on this could become an extremely important function.

The PS4 will be launched this holiday season and more information will be released at E3. Most developers reacted positively at PS4 specs, and majority of them praised the 8GB GDDR5 RAM of the system.

http://www.gamechup.com/ps4...
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