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Submitted by -Superman- 485d ago | news

'Women are the new core,' says Microsoft narrative designer

"Our audience is leaving us behind," Abernathy said. "The world is changing, it has already changed, and we have not been doing a very good job of keeping up with it."

"Women are not a small, special market on the fringe of the core," Abernathy said. "Women are the new core." (Casual games, Next-Gen, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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-Superman-  +   485d ago | Well said
"Our audience is leaving us behind," Abernathy said.
(HE MEANS XBOX 360 AUDIENCE, HARDCORE)

"Women are not a small, special market on the fringe of the core," Abernathy said. "Women are the new core."
(HE MEANS FOCUS IS MORE CASUAL GAMING, KINECT 2)

Looks like Microsoft focus more new core, casual, just like last 3 E3s was all about Kinect.

Nintendo tried re-creat Wii, what is not that good.

Sony goes back to basic, this what gamers love.
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-Superman-  +   485d ago
Also, all the leaks(95% true, same source was right about PS4) says that Xbox 720 will come with Kinect 2.0
Kinect 2.0 is built in.
Well, yeah, sure, who likes casual gaming and stuff like Kinect games then those people will buy, but all those who bought Xbox 360 for Halo, and some FPS games, are going over the PS4.
iGAM3R-VIII  +   485d ago
Well we still should wait until E3 or May (May is supposed to be the reveal of the 720) and then see what Ms plans are but I think that all of these rumours are true about leaving core gamers. Ms will need all the hope in the world if they think they can sell consoles like that
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Septic  +   485d ago
Yeah the common sense approach is to wait till the reveal to make up your mind before prematurely making a decision on a console that hasn't even been announced yet and one we know very little about other than rumours of a speculative nature.

But there appears to be a lot of consensus that Microsoft is going for the more mass market approach with its next console. If this turns out to be true then it will truly be a shame because this gen, they showed how they can put up a fight against the best of them and provide us with amazing gaming experiences.

The true core will always comprise of those gamers who the original Xbox and 360 were targeted at anyway. Funnily enough, the PS3 appeared more mass market than the 360, the latter of which catered more for shooter centric PC gamers. If MS relinquishes its link with us, it needs to realise that it won't ever regain that trust. Whilst it's MS' decision to go in whatever direction it wants, us gamers will relinquish all ties with a company that used the console business to insert its Trojan Horse into our living rooms.

Time will tell though. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because I recognise that I spend a lot of time on N4G and it can be quite easy to get swept up in the agenda of the mob. We shall see. Here's hoping that MS do get their act together. If not, the PS4 will become the primary gaming device of the true core gamers.
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fsfsxii  +   485d ago
You mean all the people that jumped ship to the X360 from PS2??
MikeMyers  +   485d ago
-Superman-,
"Women are not a small special market on the fringe of the core," Abernathy said. "Women are the new core."

He isn't just talking about the Xbox 360 audience but gaming in general. It is true that more women are playing games than ever before. It is a market that is growing and of course Microsoft wants to be a part of it.

Sony also brought social gaming into Playstation Home:

http://venturebeat.com/2011...

They have also talked a lot on the new PS4 and the share button and also Facebook. Plus a new camera. Do you really think Sony isn't also trying to attract more casual and women gamers? The social integration on the PS4 is being heavily marketed. They know the world around them is changing as well. They know people love to post on Facebook and upload videos to their friends. They know chatting and texting and video conferencing is popular. They also know woman are part of that as well.

Nintendo also came out with Miiverse. What remains to be seen is just how much focus Microsoft will put into casual gaming and trying to attract women into gaming. Gaming as a whole needs to evolve. We need to get past the stereotypes. What I want to see from Microsoft is a commitment to creating new IP's and not ignoring the gamers that got them here in the first place. The ones that bought the original Halo, Mechassault and Crackdown. So they either need to create more studios to handle all of these various gamers or partner themselves like they did with Epic and Nintendo is doing with Platinum. The Xbox 360 suffered because resources were shifted. You can still attract casual gamers but it shouldn't be at the cost of hardcore gaming.
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amiga-man  +   485d ago
I know this is just a rumour but everyone of the rumours concerning the next-box 720 have been negative, by the sounds of it M$ are not even trying to compete with Sony next gen.
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thechosenone  +   485d ago
And those same sources that pegged the PS4 hardware months/weeks before they were made official are now saying that the PS4 will be 40-50% more powerful than the xbox720...discussion starts at post #3044

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
DragonKnight  +   485d ago
I'm all for women getting more into gaming, but I'm sorry to say they are not the "new" core. This is an attempt to change the definition of the core gamer. If we're talking gaming habits, games haven't changed significantly to where you can say that there are more games geared towards women (and in all honesty, what could you really call a game geared towards women?). If we're talking numbers, men still outnumber women. So if there are more games geared towards the male audience, and there are more male core gamers, exactly how is it that women are the "new" core?

I would say that more women are becoming core gamers and as such development may shift towards a more egalitarian (ideally, but not likely. It'll more likely have more of a feminist lean if anything) design philosophy, but to suggest that women are overtaking men as gamers isn't backed up by numbers.
thechosenone  +   485d ago
Why not cater to both? Why does it have to be either one or the other?
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MikeMyers  +   485d ago
"Why not cater to both? Why does it have to be either one or the other?"

It doesn't. Which is why Nintendo is trying to distance itself from the Wii being aimed at casual only gamers. It also begs the question post-Kinect on the Xbox 360 how Microsoft will market the new Xbox. They need to have more balance. You don't shift resources from one to the other just because the market is changing. What you do is expand so that you serve not only the core gamers from the beginning but also attract new gamers. It was clear Microsoft shifted resources to help drive Kinect sales.
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Tvensky  +   485d ago
@ fsfsxii

that's impossible 360 gamers didnt even got born when PS2 was launched :) no offence for mature gamers but part of that is true....
MaxXAttaxX  +   485d ago
It's a hint at what their focus for the next Xbox will be...
After all, why would he talk about it. He speaks for his company.
sikbeta  +   485d ago
As long as third party and "7th gen core" first+second party games arrive to the console and it's not flooded with shovelware like the wii, everything is OK...
Gaming101  +   485d ago
Here's the thing, Microsoft thinks it has tapped out its current hardcore gaming audience, but it needs to grow its audience for the purpose of appeasing shareholders like the typical Western company that Microsoft is.

To do this, instead of trying to steal more hardcore gamers away from Sony, it is reaching out to all the other corners of the market, those that are currently growing at a fast pace, and Microsoft thinks this includes female gamers.

What Microsoft has failed to realize is that although females are reportedly increasing in numbers in terms of the gaming population, what these studies fail to realize is that those females are not necessarily console gamers. They are just gamers - which means if you play games on your phone, or on facebook, you're still a gamer according to studies.

Given the explosion of popularity of smart phones, and internet gaming on facebook, a lot of the people playing these games are women. This is the cause of the increasing of the "female gaming population" of recent years. If Microsoft was selling Smart phones it would benefit from targeting that audience, however that audience is not growing in the CONSOLE market. Microsoft will never sell more consoles by targeting that group of people.

If you want to know who Microsoft is competing with, company spokespeople have already indicated they are not just in competition with Sony, but also Apple, Samsung, and Google. Translation: Microsoft is going to try and steal market share from those companies by marketing to the same audiences that those companies market to IE. women, casual gamers, anything other than hardcore gamers. Microsoft thinks it can be everything to everyone, and it will dilute its product in order to market to all audiences. This will be its downfall, if anything.

Get it now? Good.
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YodaCracker  +   485d ago
Yes Gaming101, I'm sure you have done more research into this than all of Microsoft. /s
AsimLeonheart  +   485d ago
Oh well, have fun next-gen playing Adventures of Barbie and the Pink Pony with the girls Xbox fans. :-/
1nsaint  +   485d ago
If we bought the 360 for halo, then why should we switch to ps4? They don't have halo..

No matter what console you're on, I think nobody with a big library of games would want to switch, losing their physical and digital games, and ofc you're account with all your achievements/trophies, dlc and your friend list.
IronFistChinMi  +   485d ago
You realise he was talking about the industry as a whole and not just Microsoft, right? He was speaking on a panel at GDC.
Alos88  +   485d ago
He can only speak for his company, and their perceived market changes. This is simply them stating what I've been concerned about for awhile now; that MS is no longer interested in pursuing the traditional gamer's interests.
Mike134nl  +   485d ago
He was talking about the industry as a whole, gamespot just wrote a sensationalised article.

"GI.biz reports that Abernathy recalled his own experience of gender equality in games and expressed his frustration when trying to find games for his daughter that let her play as a female character. He would often end up empty-handed.

He added that while America now has a black president and that same-sex marriage has been approved in many states, that the games industry is yet to take such significant strides.

The female gamerbase is swelling, with adult feales making up 30% of the American gamer population, according to numbers from the Entertainment Software Association and research conducted by PopCap games. The so-called ‘core demographic of males under 18 now makes up just 18% of the nation’s players."
SDF Repellent  +   485d ago
As expected. The ps3 fanboys are all over this piece and won't read the entire artice, which is a guy talking about female gamers in general and has nothing pertaining to the nextbox, but yet, they can turn this one into the same old " oh, MS has abandoned core gamers!"

What is even worst is the person that submitted this piece, superman, post the first 2 posts to spread propaganda that is just plain wrong from the original source. This ps3 fanboy is just sad. Smh
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kenshiro100  +   485d ago | Well said
SDF Repellent
Maybe you should do something called 'reading' yourself. He's mainly speaking from HIS company's perspective.

Relax, no one is attacking your precious 'can do no wrong whatsoever' Microsoft.
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nukeitall  +   485d ago
It doesn't matter what is posted on n4g, because time and time again, the market has shown that it doesn't align with the viewpoints of rabbid fanboys on n4g or the hardcore gaming community.

A perfect example of this is how the PS Vita was praised to high heavens and the price was celebrated, while the 3DS was derided as a casual device.

Fast forward, and look what happened! PS Vita is dead in the water, and 3DS is marching on like nothing ever happened!

Further proof? You got your superbly core device focusing on games and games only with PS Vita, but where are the supporters? You know, third party quality games?

Ultimately it is about adoption, and then the games and whatever greatness will come with it.

It's a good thing that these companies steer their company based on hard data and not rabbid and loud fanboys.
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DragonKnight  +   485d ago
@nukeitall: "Fast forward, and look what happened! PS Vita is dead in the water, and 3DS is marching on like nothing ever happened!"

http://cdn.memegenerator.ne...
MysticStrummer  +   485d ago
@ Any and all MS defenders -

http://n4g.com/news/1217918...

Read what this developer has to say about Sony and PS4. He says it will be interesting to see what MS fires back with at E3, but given what he says about MS having a different outlook, how can you believe 720 won't be largely going in a different direction that's away from core gaming? Reading between the lines isn't even necessary when you have quotes like these.
Eyeco  +   485d ago
You're name, it was this awesome Manga I used to read as a kid,
IronFistChinMi  +   485d ago
@Eyeco Yes, I read them as well, that's where I took it from!
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IronFistChinMi  +   485d ago
@Mystic Strummer

Durango will still have core games will it not? Will an owner not be able to play BF4, Watch Dogs, Destiny, Halo, New IP from Black Tusk Studios, PGR 5, AW2, Fable etc?

Yes, they are going to do things differently than Sony, but that doesn't mean there won't be as many core games on Durango than the PS4.
nukeitall  +   485d ago
@DragonKnight:

Is that the best response you got? Do I make you angry speaking the truth and therefore you have no real response, but try to insult?

Game over. Insert coin, try again!
DragonKnight  +   485d ago
@nukeitall: You didn't speak the truth, you said something retarded when you said the Vita is dead in the water. Clearly you've been blind for the past few months so I said something contextually accurate to the retarded post you made. Maybe when you decide to say something relevant and intelligent people can take you seriously, but for now the link speaks the point perfectly well.
Ezz2013  +   485d ago
by doing this ...it seems like MS themself are living in the same dream land
@greenpowerz lives in

sony didn't only won last gen and this gen
it seems that they will win next gen too
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whoyouwit04  +   485d ago
And just how did sony when this gen who did they out sell.
Ezz2013  +   485d ago
@whoyouwit04

no they didn't
it got outsold by ps3 even with the year head start
you comments are soo uninformed and wrong ...i don't know why i even bother
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LordHiggens  +   485d ago
@whoyouwit04

Ezz2013 is right, Sony did win this generation...not counting the Wii because well..it's a Wii not a real gaming machine.

Total PS3 Worldwide sales are greater than that of the 360...the only place that has more 360s than PS3s is America.
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Knight_Crawler  +   485d ago
Or maybe the 720 will be what the PS2 was...the perfect console which caters for every age, gender and demographics.

I know some of you people want this rumors of leaked documents to be real and watch MS burn but will you really be happy to see MS and leave and some some other giant like Apple replace MS?

Do you really want MS to leave so that Sony can go back to their arrogant and pretentious ways like they were when the PS3 launched at $600 and them tell people to get two jobs to afford one or saying that next gen does not start until they say so.
dedicatedtogamers  +   485d ago
Actually, I would like to see MS leave. They haven't really brought anything into the industry. They've just slapped their brand on other people's ideas (nothing new for Microsoft). Instead of Microsoft, I would like to see other companies enter the console market, especially a Western company like Valve Corp or (dare I say it?) Activision.
Jack of Death  +   485d ago
I agree with you Knight Crawler. How can anyone think it would be good to not have MS. PSN is free and has improved 10 fold since it launched. If there was not competition you would be paying for everything. Sony has improved this gen even though they had the worst console launch ever. Bring prices down and everyone wins.
Mike134nl  +   485d ago
A competitive gaming market is always good for the market. At least for dedicated gamers, as this means companies will need to focus on exclusive games and innovation; in order to differentiate themselves from the competition.
Why o why  +   485d ago
I'm with jack, knight and mike on this one. Ms needs to be in the industry whether we like their methods or not as they have brought balance to the industry. I believe without them Sony wouldn't be fighting so hard now. Their services like psn and ps plus may not have been where they're at if there wasn't strong competition. There will be negative aspects but I think the positive ones far outweigh those.
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stuna1  +   485d ago
The game industry was doing just fine before Microsoft entered the console market! If anything they instituted a lot of things that gamers could have done without! For starters a paid online service on consoles.

Then not being able to access the online portion of $60 games you spent your hard earned money on without first paying for said online service.

Making you pay for access to services that you would automatically have access to anywhere else for free.
NastyLeftHook0  +   485d ago
actually i would.
kickerz  +   485d ago
@ stuna - well the game industry was doing just fine before Sony came along. Sega, Nintendo and pc were the good old days. Sony fanboys are just annoying, just reading half the comments in this thread I'm like WTF did you even read the article. If you love your playstation that's fine, but why come here and bag Microsoft when we know hardly anything about their next console. It's an article about girl gamers, nothing more nothing less.
rainslacker  +   485d ago
@Kickerz

Actually the market was becoming stagnant before Sony came along. Sega was struggling big time, and Nintendo wasn't pushing technology fast enough to keep up with the changes in game design that came along with the advent of 3D rendering technologies. Nintendo itself had become complacent with it's place in the market, much like Sony did during the launch of the PS3.

The market wasn't expanding fast enough to keep up with increases in game development budgets...maybe that sounds familiar...if it does it's because it's exactly what is happening right now. On top of that production costs of physical media was sky high because memory prices were more than triple what they were before the mainstream use of CD media.

Sony brought a lot of changes to the entire industry with it's PS1. They opened up developer relations and moved away from the overly draconian Nintendo methods that developers had to deal with because it's what Nintendo did(same thing that made Sega so appealing to publishers). They implemented a standard optical media drive which circumvented memory price fluctuations. And they produced and heavily marketed a console that was considered to be the must have gaming console for 2 generations in a row. On top of that they made a console that people wanted. They expanded the market, and helped publishers cater to a wide variety of gamers, which eventually helped bring more into the fold.

Had Sony not come along(or someone else for that matter) then the gaming industry was on the road to another crash. It was just stopped much earlier than people realized, so everyone assumes that everything was fine and good.
kickerz  +   485d ago
@ rainslacker thanks for the informative response.
I guess when you put it like that Sony are important to the industry.My main issue I have though is all the negativity towards microsoft/nintendo/pc here in general. If you like nintendo thats fine, if you like sony its fine and if you like xbox its fine.Just enjoy the games. N4G is a good site but I feel if your not a sony fanboy here you just get hammered.
ALLWRONG  +   485d ago
Only on N4G can they turn women into a negative.
Tito08  +   485d ago
And only on N4G they know why you're always wrong, just like your username.
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SilentNegotiator  +   485d ago
How is N4G "turning women into a negative"? By pointing out that women being the core of the gaming industry is obviously false? By being unhappy that Microsoft also made a bunch of OTHER comments that lead to the idea of a groan-worthy direction for their next Xbox?

No, you just gulped up some Microsoft comments and created a logic-free argument that makes people disagreeing with your favorite company look like misogynists.
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Bathyj  +   480d ago
If women are negative, then two negatives make a positive.
MariaHelFutura  +   485d ago
And boom goes the dynamite!!!
showtimefolks  +   485d ago
Ok MS you have worked hard to make Xbox a very good brand now you gonna mess it up, this time there is no one year ahead start so better get your act together otherwise it's gonna get real ugly real fast

Core audience is still here, the only difference is you haven't done crap for last 3 years besides the usual halo,gears and forza. Lat 3 E3's were tough to watch when it came to ms conference and I don't think it's gonna get better this year either

Ps4 already has a lot of hype behind it by sny announcing it 1st so either step your game or and get left behind
Thirty3Three  +   485d ago
Can I haz sum bubblez? :D
abzdine  +   485d ago
you make my wife choose between playing kinect or sit watch me play infamous or heavy rain she'll for sure choose the second option.
xursz  +   485d ago
Or the third option, you sit back and watch your wife hoola hoop kinect style. Ehhhh?

Honestly I know a total of 0 people interested in a new kinect. I guess it could catch on with teenage girls? But ask Nintendo how long those fads last.
Xelestial  +   485d ago
What about the fourth option, where your wife plays Infamous or Heavy Rain? Dunno about your household but in mine, we all take turns watching or playing co-op...
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   485d ago
Looks like me as a gamer won't be focused on by Microsoft. I in turn won't be getting the next box if this proves to be the case.
Nevertheless, I'll wait and see.
edonus  +   485d ago
This is a perfect example of the warped echo chamber that exists in the sony loyalists world.

Lets just say for instance the phrase he used was totally in context (which i'm sure it is not)... the solution to appeal to women being the new core is diversity in games like having more females or non white lead characters.

So the real message hear is MS would like to focus on making more diverse characters.

They said nothing about making games "casual" or motion based or anything other than making a more diverse world of characters.

And some how that has changed to MS has abandoned the core gamer. Its laughable if it wasnt so many falling for the poison.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   485d ago
Sony loyalist I am not. I couldn't care less about them in fact. I buy their consoles to play games. That's it.
I use my hard earned money to buy said consoles so SONY don't deserve my loyalty because it isn't like they donated the console to me. Same goes for Microsoft, I don't like them, I like their console and games. Also bought with money so they can suck it in the loyalty department.
I buy and play games. I don't worship companies. I clearly stated that IF it's true then I won't buy the next xbox. Then I said I'd WAIT AND SEE.
Do you have trouble reading and comprehending or did you just see what you wanted to see?
I really don't know how I could have worded that any better to get my point across.
edonus  +   485d ago
I see your confusion....

I wasnt talking about you as a loyalist.

I was telling you not to listen to them. Your comment seemed like you didnt read the article so you were basing your comment off of what the the Sony loyalists are saying.

When you say if this proves to be the case... if you are talking about the article itself you would be saying "If MS focuses on making games with more diversity in their characters you wont be buying the nextbox" otherwise you are saying you may not be getting the nextbox based off of the comments on N4G that have absolutely nothing to do with what the news article says or is talking about.

Basically dont listen to the peanut gallery. If you actually read and comprehend the article its actually a good thing. All he is saying is you could bring in more women if you started making a wider range of characters.

That is all.

You gotta be careful when dealing with these crazy sony people. Its like a disease transfered by contact. You get some of that $h!t on you it starts poisoning you through your skin, next thing you know you are attacking thats only trying to help and stabbing children.
DigitalRaptor  +   485d ago
@ edonus

What makes this quite funny, is that Good_Guy_Jamal is no Sony loyalist, but you have already pre-determined where his preferences lie. And we all know where your preferences lie so there's no surprise you're always looking on the bright side of Microsoft, even if they're doing the gamer, who built up their presence in this industry, a disservice. The fact remains is that not all of us are so blind to what is considered a poor direction for a GAMING console. Maybe this guy was talking about redefining standards for female characters, but a statement like "women are the new core"? How does that correlate with creating more diverse characters?

lol @ the backpedalling. Sure you didn't mean HE was a loyalist. Suuuure. ;)
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Why o why  +   485d ago
typical edonus
jamal is definitely not a sony loyalist. Not everybody who says something honest against anybody is a loyalist of the other.
3-4-5  +   485d ago
Women also LOVE Trends and what is " hot ".

Women are the causal ios gamers.....

That doesn't count..

Yea there are some that play other games but I wouldn't shift an entire market towards that viewpoint.

It's phase for some women gamers and if they didn't have their phone most wouldn't even be gaming.

Now that doesn't take into account the millions of women that play normal games.
Xelestial  +   485d ago
I think I can speak for all women everywhere when I say we'd just prefer that games take both genders into account. You know, just like real life.

And I don't know what having a penis or a vagina has to do with whether or not you can have fun playing a game anyway.
SDF Repellent  +   485d ago
@shadowgeist00
"He's mainly speaking from HIS company's perspective. "

LOL, like I said earlier, PS3 fanboys are only programed to read the headlines (doesn't matter if it is true or false) and not the actual piece to get the facts. Thanks for your Cooperation. I rest my case. :)
xursz  +   485d ago
Why are you even still allowed to post? It would be a waste of time to bother talking sense to you.
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Crystallis  +   485d ago
PS3 fanboy this, PS3 fanboy that. Dont you ever get tired of saying the same old things?

"" I rest my case. :)""

you don't rest anything, you spew the same nonsense over and over again.
kenshiro100  +   485d ago
Wah, wah, teh mean Sony fanboys!
For crying outloud...
Morgue  +   485d ago
Maybe you should douse yourself with that repellent.
saint_seya  +   485d ago
I could say "as you are a lil girl u will be covered by MS, so stop your rage against sony supporters", but i dont need to be down to your level to reply you. So im going to do this as an adult #hope u can understand that concept#.

If u want to be heard (i know is hard becouse all the nonsense u talk 24/7 makes it hard to even start to read your comments), try at least, of hearing other peoples thoughs, and come to them with a reply without calling ps3 fanboys. Reply one by one, because not everyone in this site is a ps3 fanboy, and even some are actually 360 owners that are not happy with MS aproach.

In top of that if you keep saying "LOL" at the beggining of all, and having points #that you only think are valid#, you look like an angry child that cant have a real talk, and will be ignored or just downvoted.

PD: By the way, u can call me ps3 fanboy, yet once i said to you i was agree with what u said, u can check in your old posts, because was something that i though was ok. People will hear you, if u have something worth to be heard. Keep that in mind.

PD2: Now on topic, i believe that rumors are just that, im a big fan of sony, as everyone here may know, yet i believe that MS rumors are just that, and their system wont have all the bad things people is saying on those leaks. If theres a reason why im interested in ps4 over next Xbox its just because im a big fun of sony games. People just should wait and see, and not judge by rumors.
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Irishguy95  +   485d ago
No microsoft, your audience didn't leave you behind, you left them behind.
majedx9  +   485d ago
thy want the "PUSSY" XD
ichimaru  +   485d ago
did you read the article?

"Nobody in the room admits to being against making characters female or nonwhite," he added. "But they're scared because they don't know how to defend that choice to their bosses."

it literally had nothing to do with ms or the nextbox's approach at E3
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sak500  +   485d ago
@superman

If they damn did what you have said then i'd jump ship and get PS4.. This from 2006 (4 xboxs) fan..
Dj7FairyTail  +   485d ago
best to wait before calling out PS4 basic.
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Bobby Kotex  +   485d ago
This seems like a dumb move, but I thought Kinect would fail, but it was a huge success due to all the casuals picking up an Xbox. The next Xbox could be huge, but from the leaks/rumors it just won't be for gamers.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   485d ago
MS says Farcry story narrative is broken and now this. I sense a story driven core game with a female lead in MS future.
xxLuckyStrike  +   485d ago
Kinect is/was a Band Aid of sorts for the X360. The masses flocked and it now has it's own place. Over 10 Million people adopted Kinect so of course you could expect more NEXT GEN. That still leaves 60-70 Million others who like games.

-SUPERMAN-

Sony went back to basics alright!!. They Ditched everything PlayStation built on for years!!

*Ditched The cell processor
*Canned the XMB
*Added a Kinect looking type camera
*Changed up the DS controller
*Social Apps
*Charging for services next gen.
*Using MS software for developing PS4 games

Sony starting to look a lot like MS right about now. But clearly MS has the Ball
_-EDMIX-_  +   485d ago
? This is classic Playstation at its core. New ips, along with old ips. This is actually quite normal.

The whole "cell" and "XMB" thing is so stupid, its not even funny. Um....no Playstation system had teh same OS as the last. No PS contorller stayed 100% the same. I'm not sure what you mean "basics'

Sony has already said online will still be free.

Sony is looking NOTHING like MS right now. They have a crap load of studios, are making new IPs and done't have over a dozen studios working on 100% Move games.

Did you ever stop to think MS added a "PS eye" type camera for Kinect? Sony is doing nothing more then adding on to the PS Eye, which is WAY, WAY older then anything MS or Nintendo has done with Motion.

Sony was the first. PS3 has Social apps. I think you need to really look back at your post.

and its 25 million Kinect owners NOT 10.
TheTwelve  +   485d ago
Oh. Wow. Sony has always made their consoles with grown men primarily in mind. I will trip if Microsoft really begins to shoot for the estrogen market.

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Tito08  +   485d ago
I imagine a gaming generation with chicks as the main core, Microsoft could have female only games as exclusive, such ass Ass is Creed, Girls Of War, Metal Girl Solid, Ass Effect, Call of Duty: Bitch Ops, Final Fat-Ass, Bitch For Speed, lol.
NastyLeftHook0  +   485d ago
I guess its...

Xbox 720 for the girls

PS4 for the men
S2Killinit  +   485d ago
Yes Fsfsxii the ones that seem to have made a mistake if this article is any indication. But honestly OMG i cant believe this. Although I do want to mention that this guy is probably not an official spokesman for Xbox. But still the fact that they would come out and Say they are going to cater to casuals, it pretty much indicates the general direction they will take the xbox. But I still believe that when they come out with the Xbox they will present it as an "all of the above" consul. In other words, they will claim that it will cater to both hardcore And casual (to do otherwise would be suicide IMO) and yet, the comments are telling of the true intentions of MS as a whole. Someone here mentioned that Sony will also be going after the casual market and I believe that this is true, but I believe that Sony's approach is to cater mainly, to those who are considered core gamers. This is the field that Sony is familiar with, this is the field that Sony is more in tune with and they will want to play to their strengths.
TheFamous1  +   485d ago
360 was cool for me this gen, but I'm pretty damn convinced Sony is where I'll be at next-gen - and I am excited.
user7693958  +   485d ago
WII U vs XBOX kinect?
PS4 vs high end Pc's?
TAURUS-555  +   485d ago
haha now 8 years old are the new market for MS...
_-EDMIX-_  +   485d ago
LMFAO! Hey MS fan's.....they still rumors now? So, it took Bungie leaving, more then 10 kinect studios being formed, 25 million Kinects sold, numerous rumors by 100% credible sources for you guys to see that MS's going casual?

I knew this tidbit in 2007 when MS just randomly began axing studios left and right.

Nothing in business is done on accident. MS had no plans to renew contracts with a lot of the teams they let go or the ones that "choose" to leave very much knew MS wasn't keeping em.
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onyoursistersback  +   485d ago
i came here to read all the joke/troll comments!!!
lol...
rainslacker  +   485d ago
The core is still around. The core will always be around. The core is not about race, gender, or ethnicity. The core is about people who play a lot of games and love to do so.

All that being said, I don't believe women make up a large percentage of the core. I say this based on anecdotal evidence of the fact that I rarely see more than 1 female at a midnight release, and hardly ever see them on launch day for any game. I know the core female gamer exists, but they are far from prevalent.

Just because a company decides that another group is more profitable or worth marketing to(which honestly they are), doesn't make them core gamers. It just means that the company wants to focus on a new market segment. That in itself is fine...it worked great for Nintendo...but you can't just change the definition of the word(admittedly ambiguous to begin with) to suit your own needs.
Bathyj  +   485d ago
Women are not a small niche in gaming anymore. And more good women characters should be in games. Men would enjoy that too.

But they are still a minority. They are NOT the new core.

Anyone who would say they are is just showing how out of touch they are with core gamers.
dangerousjo33  +   485d ago
i dont know if i agree totally with that. hard core gamers mostly at this point are males but if it well change from males to females oneday we well see. i personally cant wait to see the kinect 2.0 b/c i believe it can help hard core gamers be even more into the game their playing .just think your in a horror game and your about to walk into a house/room and you call out is their anyone there with your real words with the power of the kinect 2.0 or if your about to pick a lock on a game and you do it with your real hands on the screen with the power of kinect 2.o or lets say your playing GTA v and your at a club and they push you on stage stage and your have to really sing and read the words off the screen to keep while singing and you have to make sure to sing all words right inorder to keep the crowd from booing you to past that level. also you can have somthing for kids life story time and as your read to them you both watch in in action on the screen i dont know about you but i think thats next gen to me also might i add with the leaked specs of the next xbox makes it already 10 times more powerful then the xbox360 so the next xbox well most likely be on par with the ps4 so the next xbox well look beautiful.
Jakens  +   485d ago
I think you will buy a 720. Hence, the Power of Halo.
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thebrownbox  +   485d ago
I feel like Microsoft going casual may be best for gaming in general. Microsoft will still have a huge market with all the Motion gaming, Sony will have more hardcore players buying the core games, which will in turn give them more support to make more great exclusives. If these companies differentiate which markets they are going for, we will even have less fanboy wars... hopefully... That small percentage of people who really love the xbox ecosystem will be losing out i suppose, but I welcome you guys to playstation once again. Missed ya.
shoddy  +   485d ago
Sound like next xbox is for girls.
It come standard in pink.
Jakens  +   485d ago
@dangerousjo33
OK, OK, MS has big plans (for Kinect and such) right? Plans that will come to light within about 30 years. They have started to sell Kinect as a seed to that 30 year goal. What you mentioned is cool but also 30 years off of be worth while.
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The_Infected  +   485d ago
Kinda sad to put it that way IMO. I think a "core" gamer is the anyone in general who supported your so called gaining system from the beginning and got you where you are today. I have a feeling your heading down the wrong path MS.
HammadTheBeast  +   485d ago
Cooking Mama Kinect coming soon.
majiebeast  +   485d ago
Goodluck with that direction Microsoft. Also weird ass job title.
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Septic  +   485d ago
Sounds like a job title worthy for Morgan Freeman
Drekken  +   485d ago
MS has their own idea of what they want. Sony obviously owns the hardcore gaming industry. The Ps4 is just going to lock it down like the PS2 did... MS knows this and is going a different route. They started this expedition when Kinect released and there is no looking back.

I am not knocking them for this, but it is not something I choose to be a part of. Good luck to them... hopefully it all works out.
-Superman-  +   485d ago
Kinect sold more than original Xbox console.
Also, Microsoft got big profit from Kinect, then of cause they are going to casual. They want same what Nintendo got with Wii.
It´s all about money.
rezzah  +   485d ago
Always is about money, but what matters is what they do to make money.
TAURUS-555  +   485d ago
as a true hardcore gamer who likes FPS...this kinect thing is an insult to me.

good luck MS but sony is gonna win next gen quite easily.
MariaHelFutura  +   485d ago
I've been saying this for months.
Why o why  +   485d ago
Years

Its just cheaper to produce games that dont need new or very technical graphics engines. Kinect is that. Simpler games more money bigger audiece the casuals
roshi1987  +   485d ago
MS will take the wii casuals, though not in such numbers. Just remember that a big portion of wii gamers have grown up and want something new.
Dj7FairyTail  +   485d ago
too late now
Nintendo is about to release two casual big name games of theirs.

Wii Fit U
Game & Wario = Game n Watch + WarioWare Franchise

The original Wii Fit sold over 30m
WarioWare games sells over 1m and Game n Watch is classic success.
edonus  +   485d ago
The automatic winner of next gen will bridge the casual and core experience.

Sony only has core gamers.

Nintendo only has casual.

MS has both core gamers and casual gamers... they are just separate entities. Having kinect as a standard part of the system is a big step in bridging the two.

It is all about money and bridging both markets is the key to all of it.
rainslacker  +   485d ago
How does Kinect bridge the two? From what I've seen most core gamers are not into Kinect, or any other kind of motion device.

I don't believe it's a bad idea to cater to several markets when making a system, far from it. I believe it's imperative that companies cater to as many markets as possible. And you know what...they all do that now.

But you can't seriously sit there and tell me that you haven't noticed the severe lack of 1st party core titles from MS...even their existing IP's are not that frequent compared to their competitors(yes I mean Nintendo as well).

MS currently has a heavy reliance on 3rd party for it's core offerings. The same offerings that are available on other platforms. What is MS going to bring based on evidence of this gen that will make it appealing to the core audience?

There is no bridge to gap. Games are all single entities. If one system focuses too much on one, then it's going to fail, whether or not it focuses all on core, or all on casual.

Here's a very interesting article about something Jack Tretton said last year that I bookmarked just for such an occasion. Read it and tell me that it doesn't make sense.

http://www.escapistmagazine...
Chaostar  +   485d ago
He's right that women make up a large percentage of the core market these days but I get the impression he means it in more of a 'business' sense. Like the fact there are millions of women playing games like farmville so that will become their target audience.

However when I said women make up a lot of the core I meant women who are just as likely to play the next COD and Assassins Creed as the stereotypical 10-25 year old boy.

Hopefully MS realises this too, before they turn their next console into a platform for online bingo and dress up games.

Most likely he's just playing up for the 'hot topic' of women in games at the moment. If they were really serious about changing the image of women in gaming they should do a Nintendo (metroid) and uncover master chief as a woman ;P
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whamlollypop7  +   485d ago
Well I'm going to call it, Sony has won this gen, the previous gen, and the next gen. If I'm wrong hold me accountable, but I'm not.
DarkZane  +   485d ago
Microsoft took a lot of Sony's market with the 360. Too bad they will not be able to keep it next-gen.

Sony with all the recent news are doing everything to win it and I think they will.
DigitalSmoke  +   485d ago
Wow, "The new core" ?
Are you shitting me Microsoft?

Listen I'm a Playstation gamer,now and if they stay on course will always be so i enjoy the little back and forwards with the Xbox fanbase.
But never did i expect them getting this abused, not in a million years.
I honestly feel bad for em and that is not meant to be condisending.

The Core isn't "them" Microsoft says, its Females now... Holy shit would i be pissed off as a Halo/Forza/Gears freak.
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rezzah  +   485d ago
Fans of those popular series might end up having to play kinect versions. Yet we still have to directly see the path MS takes during the big reveal.
_-EDMIX-_  +   485d ago
So....what Edge and other sites are saying are false in terms of the rumors? I...I mean....they weren't about Wii U or PS4's specs...not sure why MS will be any different. Its all but confirmed in my eyes, no system has ever been announced under sure secrecy
rezzah  +   485d ago
No need to "stutter".

Logically it would make sense to believe the rumors as true, yet it is foolish to think of it as 100% truth.

Also you fail to see that what is revealed is not likely be the entire truth. Meaning, MS likely to have more than what is leaked to be shown.

I am saying we haven't seen everything until we have seen everything.
DigitalRaptor  +   485d ago
Looks like Microsoft are riding on the "white knight", pro-feminist train, to falsify that they actually care, rather they just want money from that sector of the market. How ever you look at it, that looks to be a casual cash grab tactic , just like with Kinect.

Core gamers are the HUMAN BEINGS that care about meaningful and consistent gaming experiences,the ones with substance. Whether they're male or female is unimportant.

Seriously, is it just me or has every single bit of info released about the 720 and MS's next gen direction been negative? even the ones that are related to Sony bring about negative insinuation: www.destructoid.com/blacklight -dev-sony-is-really-in-to-win-t his-one--249729.phtml
ichimaru  +   485d ago
so I take it you too didnt read the article -_-

"Nobody in the room admits to being against making characters female or nonwhite," he added. "But they're scared because they don't know how to defend that choice to their bosses."
had nothing to do with ms. just someone who works there comments kn the gaming industry.
Hicken  +   485d ago
The problem with you picking out that one line is that other quotes- such as the ones that preview the article- hint at more than that.

"Women are the new core."

That, ALONE, speaks volumes about what he thinks. It isn't JUST about main characters. It's about his flawed perception of the WHOLE industry's makeup.

The first paragraph tells you he works for Microsoft, which means WHEN HE SPEAKS, HE SPEAKS FOR MICROSOFT. If they didn't agree with what he was saying, they wouldn't let him speak. And that disproves your claim rather handily. Unless, of course, the site is wrong and he no longer works for them. If he doesn't, then blame the site for getting it wrong.

As it stands, you're flat-out wrong.

Edit: If he still works for Microsoft, and gives a view on the industry, that view then becomes Microsoft's view, unless they disavow it. He didn't say it was his opinion on the industry, and him including lines like "afraid of their bosses" isn't exactly something he could get away with saying unless his own bosses were of an accord with his "opinion."

It makes PERFECT sense, if you've the brains to grasp it.
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ichimaru  +   484d ago
"The first paragraph tells you he works for Microsoft, which means WHEN HE SPEAKS, HE SPEAKS FOR MICROSOFT"
that literally made no sense. that means he works for Microsoft as an employer and is speaking on the industry. no where in the article did he even state" we at Microsoft, or ms or even we. so adding to something complete
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IronFistChinMi  +   485d ago
Can people look beyond the title and read the article? He was talking about the industry as a whole, not just Microsoft.

Check the original articles Gamespot took their quotes from;

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Notice the difference?
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Donnieboi  +   485d ago | Well said
REAL female gamers like REAL games. They might play excercise/motion games too, but when time comes for a real, challenging, narrative-based game, they go to hardcore games. Like my wife: The games she loves the most are some of the toughest, most REWARDING experiences, not easy crap:

Uncharted, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect Trilogy, Heavy Rain, Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker, Monster Hunter PSP, Castlevania SOTN, Valkyria Chronicles 1 & 2, Persona 3 & 4, Tokyo Jungle, Okami, The Walking Dead, Beyond Good & Evil HD, Sly cooper 2 (I think it's part 2), Echo-chrome ps and Zelda Collection (gamecube) and Zelda seasons and ages.

Those games are hard. And hard-core. But rewarding, instead of insulting her intelligence by being overly simplistic.

Why doesn't M$ just make games that women can enjoy, without automatically assuming that it must abandon the core gamer (of either gender)? Casual doesn't have to always = Women.
contradictory  +   485d ago
i agree with you 100%
katie_x  +   485d ago
Agree entirely with you! I've played a lot of the games you listed along with God of War, Infamous, Skyrim and Bioshock. Saying women only play simplified 'childish' games is ridiculous and I don't think that was what this article was getting at at all.
kenshiro100  +   485d ago
I agree 100% as well. Not sure where they're going with that comment.
roshi1987  +   485d ago
Except a vast number of females prefer casual dancing Kinect to "real" games. That is what he meant by the new core.

Every girl wants to dance with Kinect.

Gamer girls are marginal at best.
Xelestial  +   485d ago
Can you explain how having an extra X chromosome means girls want to dance with Kinect?
aLiEnViSiToR  +   485d ago
The brain is what it matters, gamers are unique group and can be ANYONE... even aliens :]
Xelestial  +   485d ago
And this is why you have a wife.

My husband and I might enjoy games for different reasons, but it doesn't mean we can't enjoy the same games.
zbg31610  +   485d ago
Games should implement women more into them, however sometimes it's understandable why they aren't. Games are just like movies, and more sepecifically they are mostly like action movies, In action movies, 90% of the big stars are men while in slower or more intimate movies, women are more commonly used than they are in action movies.

And they had articles on women in battlefield yesterday. I'm sorry but you cant play as a woman in the game, well because it is very unrealistic. It isn't common for women to be on the frontlines or in combat.

Society is changing, but we shouldn't overcompensate for the change.
PS4isKing_82  +   485d ago
This right here tells you a lot about their next gen plans and why they've been so quiet lately.
Women are the new "core"? Sorry Microsoft, I think you just lost half of your userbase with that statement.

No wonder all the devs are going gaga for ps4, they probably know the route Microsoft is going and want no part of it.
zbg31610  +   485d ago
I agree that it is quite a sweeping statement on their part, but people are making it into things that it isnt. The article says a lot of women are playing games now, and then it says that developers need to start including female characters and implementing them. The guy never says about making games dumb and childish for women, that is simply people connecting dots and making speculation about the whole Kinect focus and everything.

At least if you are going to trash Microsoft, do it for the right reason (like everything you have to pay for, the new always on feature, the always connected to Kinect feature, the lack of exclusives, the supposedly weak specs), not for them pushing for female characters to make it into some games.
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fsfsxii  +   485d ago
Goodluck with that M$
All the casuals are having a smart phone and playing Angry birds or whatever.
If the cablebox720 is really like this, the PS4 will dominate the next gen
R_aVe_N  +   485d ago
"cablebox720" LMAO that cracks me up a little XD. It kinda sounds fitting by the rumors everywhere. Oh well guess we will wait and see.
Donnieboi  +   485d ago
Dude! I'm totally calling it CableBox720 from here on out! Brilliant!
kenshiro100  +   485d ago
I lol'd.
blackyeti  +   485d ago
Being a gamer, I find it hard to see what's funny about cable box 720. Fanboys of Xbox could've easily called the ps3 a playBluRay3 but that's wouldn't have been funny either. Either become more creative or stop talking down a company that made your favorite company get their heads out their asses
G20WLY  +   485d ago
^blackyeti, you're partially correct, "playBluRay3" isn't funny...
CEOSteveBallmer  +   485d ago
So if women are the new core? What games are they planning to release? Well Goodluck to MS...
katie_x  +   485d ago
Funnily enough, women actually do play the same games as guys do! :) Also, I know many males who play angry birds and other iphone 'casual' games. It works both ways, you can't generalize.
Jakens  +   484d ago
Goddess of Peacetime!! Comming soon.
JasonKCK  +   485d ago
women hold the majority in this world. it would be stupid for ms not to capture some of that market. women spend and shop more than men. this is a smart move by ms, something nintendo and apple has exploited for years.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   485d ago
Yes women are more in numbers than men but you cannot deny still I can say 60% "Hardcore" gamers are male. Gaming is for everyone but you cannot also deny that its more of a male thing just like cars, techs and stuff but women are very very welcome to join in. One good example is you. Are you not a male gamer??
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IronFistChinMi  +   485d ago
You can say 60% of hardcore gamers are male and be correct, however, hardcore gamers are a minority in gaming. Take the Wii for example, or The Walking Dead: SI, who made that game a success? Casuals who don't pay attention to gaming sites of conferences, that's who.
HailSithis  +   485d ago
Sure, attracting to woman is an added selling point. But let's not forget the fact that most woman, and even core gamers, aren't going to fork over the amount of money that is a next-gen console. It's usually just something they'd like to have, not need. Only the hardcore gamers, the vast majority of us, will gladly pay the price of a next-gen console.
I don't know how microsolft will succeed at launch if their main focus is apps and kinect, and not actual gaming. If this is their main focus, the console will have to be much cheaper than the PS4 to gain any kind of sales. I play on the 360, and I sure hope they announce their console soon, becuase even the rumors are dissapointing, and the PS4 is looking really good. All I know is, Sony is doing it right, let's hope microsoft goes back to their roots, and focus's on actual gaming and exclusives.
jizzyjones  +   485d ago
Maybe MS goin for the housewives, CableBox 720
Wizziokid  +   485d ago
If they focus on Kinect I'm out.
e-p-ayeaH  +   485d ago
Microsoft is really starting to get delusional with this sorta thing.

Maybe american woman/girls might approve their new "console" but im sure i wont.
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LostDjinn  +   485d ago
This is just insulting. The term "Core Gamer" is defined by player habits, not gender.
cleft5  +   485d ago
I like the fact that they wont to include more women and minorities as main characters. However, if they are only going to be doing that for marketing purposes than they are repeating the same mistakes they are making with mainly using a white male characters.

A character's ethnicity or gender should matter on a much deeper level than simply appealing to the mass market. When it doesn't, people do notice and question what is even the point of the character. A pointless character, be it a white male or a minority/woman, is still a pointless character that simply wont connect with the player on a deeper level.

I am Black, yet a lot of the characters I absolutely love are white. The thing is, when I am thinking about a character that appeals to me I don't look at their skin color, but their actions. My Commander Shepard was the default white male in ME3 and I loved him. I created a Black male Shepard for ME1 and ME2 simply because I could, but I always thought of Shepard as being either the default White Male or White Female.

When Gears 1 came out I hated Coletrain because he felt completely like a pointless token character. Then in Gears 2, they did a lot of character development with Coletrain and I started to like him. In Gears 3 they continue on that path and now Coletrain is my favorite character in the Gears series.

Character development makes a good character, not ethnicity or gender.
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Smootherkuzz  +   485d ago
Women play all games right now but more are jumping on the ride. The women in my house play all types of games even Kinect games.They have their own consoles and I have my own,sometimes we all play each other or co-op.I think MS and Sony,Wii is on the right track.They are not just gaming console for us guys anymore,times are changing.I have been gaming since the beginning of video games and still have Atari,Sega systems(3d),Intellivision,etc. I had to share with the females in family since video games started.If more titles are made for them so be it, that's not saying that the so called core games are gonna stop coming from MS or who ever makes them. A bigger problem is that games is getting stale across the board for all consoles,lack of new in game ideas.Iam a old gamer and I welcome Kinect because it adds something different, is it perfect? No all gaming materal has its flaws. Lets wait and see whats coming.
InTheLab  +   485d ago
I'm sure a lot of you looked at that picture, which is very deceptive, and read the headline...then came to post. This "interview" is really just a guy saying how the industry needs to be more mindful of who comprises the core and how woman are no different from male gamers.

He does not mention Kinect or casual. In fact, the picture in the story is Elizabeth from Bioshock and the dude being interviewed questions why developers must beg their bosses to do anything that's not white and male.

I'd be a hypocrite if I just bashed you guys for not reading, as I do it all the time. So instead, I'll bash the headline and picture for being misleading.
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ChiTownDoc  +   485d ago
ummm...what?
TheKayle1  +   485d ago
my sister played lineage 2 league of legends aion tera guild wars2 and she was OP at this games..there r a lots of noobs players in the male market..there r a lots of noobs players in the female market...this dont ruin the "core".....

ppl need to grow up ....:) and to find a girl that know how to play videogames
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cyclindk  +   485d ago
Girlfriend's likes:

Sims

Battlefield 3 (but only camping on a platform in the subway tunnel map with a light machine gun and 200 rounds in the clip).

Tiny Zoo (app store)

Hay Day (app store)

My Singing Monsters (app store)

Various card and board games

Jet Pack Joy Ride I think...
Clarence  +   485d ago
Wow hardcore Xbox fans are in trouble. Kinect excercise games and a cable box is what M$ seems to be offering.

I agree that women are getting into gaming more, but if you notice they are playing the same type of games that we the men are playing. They didn't get into gaming for the casual games.

I'm in school for illustration and every women in my class talks about nothing but action games. The reason is because the want to design these types of games. I have yet to hear anyone of them say anything positive about the casual market.

M$ is assumption that women want casual and excercise games will backfire.
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greenpowerz  +   485d ago
They're after the up for grabs Wii fanbase. I don't think Nintendo will hold on to its Wii base next generation(in 2013 and beyond).

Also this was taken out of context. He was saying women gamers as a whole in the industry. No one said they're dropping support for men and hardcore gamers LMAO As if MSFT can't cater to more than one demographic at once. People attack MSFT for being able to do both so well and suddenly!, when no other company can, smearing and spinning MSFT agenda/success.

This site has gone to hell in a hand bag. xbox gamers being banned for little or nothing & being marked for trolling etc, while PS3 fans run around savagely personally attacking xbox gamers trolling in historic numbers saying the N word etc calling people other names using slander getting *well said*

The MSFT Dude just said women are becoming a big part of gaming and the game content doesn't keep them in mind. Why do you think Nintendo did so well? There content was more universal.

Is there something wrong with some games having toned violence and more cerebral gameplay design and story or simple easy to pick up gameplay?

All developers in the industry on all platforms doing what I said above doesn't mean MSFT will ditch the hardcore(MEN and their violent games LMAO)

One of the things that might be confusing the fanatical PS3 fans in here is that MSFT has a more diverse fanbase. Perhaps PS3 fans are a little stuck in the past considering Sony's base. PS3's fanbase is probably mostly kids, men that lean audiophile/videophile(Blu-ray/ perceived best tech) and people that love Japanese culture that like Anime etc and might not get out much.
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FunkMacNasty  +   485d ago
"He was saying women gamers as a whole in the industry. No one said they're dropping support for men and hardcore gamers"

True, BUT.. 'core' gamers are defined as 'gamers' not men, women, black gamers, white gamers etc.. So that 30% of 'core'female gamers that he talks aboutare still gonna wanna play the Battlefields, Uncharteds, Killzones, Halo's, Halflife's, etc.. not Kinectimals 2.

What he is really alluding to is that he feels that MS should focus on games that attract a female demographic. that makes me think of the games my wife and mother enjoy.. iPhone/tablet games and Kinect games.. in other words "casual" games. Because if a 'core' gamer happens to be a female, I'm thinkning she's not gonna want kinect games and Angry Birds and Bejeweld console games
Clarence  +   485d ago
Playstation fans aren't stuck in the past. From the start Sony has made games that reach out to all the diverse fans. Casual or hardcore.

M$ is leaving in the past if anything. That casual market that they are trying to win seem to be dying out. It's fine if you want to apeal the casual market but the core market is what made you.

The PS3 fan base has less kids than the M$ fan base. When I was playing gears that's all I heard was little kids online. So don't start that BS

Also if the only Japanese people, and tech people who like blu ray, why it that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in Europe as well as the WW?

Why is it that the PS3 software total continues to increase every year?

Kick rocks troll
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pete007  +   485d ago
so, the glorious ps3 launch with no titles or sub par ones for atleast 2 years, you say they started leter this gen, thats completely sony´s fault and they finally reached MS at the end of the generation, witch to you may mean that it´s now that the fun begins.....
this generation is over two years ago, maxed out, blocking software development, and dont tell me about scripted gameplay games cause back on the days of ps1 ps2 we already had kute games, now that you have some real hardcore visual pre-experience(KZSF, etc,etc) you decide to come out and climb an abandoned throne, that doesn t even belongs to you by rights.
just a side by side
i played gt5 on a g25 and i used to enjoy the eternal loading times and network crashes, the 5 minutes + waiting just to have a 3 min fun,
then i tryed FORZA 4 on a fanatec csr elite setup, an i say FUCK!!! give me a game that feels more real and adrenaline rush than that.
go back to your cave
pete007  +   485d ago
if there was a word to express the gratitude for this comment i would use it, instead ill use a simple thanks
keep on the good fight, even with a neutral and pacific comment you get lots of disagrees, that says everything,
this site has become a club
rainslacker  +   485d ago
So close green. You were so close to making a really valid point that was based in reality and not biased towards any one system. It was even a good point. But you just had to bring the console wars into it. Why do you do that?

Anyhow

Whenever any company(MS, Sony, EA, etc) say they're going to bring more games to the non-core crowd, or focus on things like F2P, social, or casual games, they pretty much get hated on by people on all forums and on all sides of the fence. It goes against our overall nature, and it's seen as a simplification of gaming overall in the interest of including more people(something that has been a constant complaint this entire gen). Basically it is the execs deciding that the appropriately defined "core"(those of us who buy a lot of games), are just an after thought because we're likely to buy games anyhow.

There is nothing wrong with trying to cater to more than one market, Sony and Nintendo have done it for years. Even MS supported more than one market, and by all 3 doing so it has increased the market base of gaming overall, making it profitable for more developers and publishers.

The only thing I took issue with is the re-branding of the term core...a term which is ambiguous at best. I also take issue with the fact that to cater to women you have to change something that women may not want changed. If "core" games are changed to appeal to a different demographic, then are they still core games, at least by today's definition.

Every attempt should be made to include more people into the gaming community. core, hardcore, casual, women, men, black, white, whatever. To try and maintain the status quo means everything we like will stagnate.
ShiftyLookingCow  +   485d ago
By core I think MS means their new core focus rather than talking about hardcore games/gamers.

The phrasing seems intentionally designed to ruffle feathers. This is just getting silly.
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abzdine  +   485d ago
well done MS! Deliver games stop talking!
What are the games that characterize Microsoft?

Gears of War
Halo

Now talk about women is the core!
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