Submitted by armycore 858d ago | article

Why Metal Gear Solid V doesn’t fit in the Metal Gear timeline

Original-Gamer.com: "With all the excitement that the Metal Gear Solid V trailer generated at GDC 2013, some of the scenes shown did not match up to the series timeline. In fact, upon further research, MGSV does not fit within the timeline and contradicts the established canon." (Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, PS3, Xbox 360)

Batzi  +   858d ago
secretcode  +   858d ago
Either that or we're beginning to venture into Alternate Timelines, just to troll those who somehow manage to keep up with the already convoluted timeline of the Metal Gear franchise.
ogmaster  +   858d ago
Ah shit. Just what we needed, more Kojima-made timelines.
DatNJDom81  +   858d ago
here comes another "journalist" saying something about a game that he knows nothing about. Has he worked on the story? Does he have information that Kojima himself doesnt have? Nowadays they want to come off as they do. Ooooh I played every Metal Gear game and Im putting pieces together. Please just STFU.
rezzah  +   858d ago
People are making conclusive statements when the game isn't even finished, unless it went gold and I didn't read about it.

Most of all, they never played it or got an opinion from a person who beat it (as if they can).

For all we know, even with certain information to create such claims, everything in the game could be a dream.
Blacktric  +   857d ago
"Why Metal Gear Solid V doesn’t fit in the Metal Gear timeline"

There is no reason. Every single thing that's not been explained in the games were explained through a crappy PS3 app Konami themselves released to push the Metal Gear Solid 4 sales on launch (so that people who were scared of not understanding the story and lore could get some information from an official app). And most of the stuff that's been stated in the article are circumstantial at best. He acts like a person could only go into coma once when it's been revealed before that Big Boss was in a coma twice.

tl;dr Most of the "points" in the article are based off of info from Metal Gear Database app for PS3, which is known to be a horrible source of information.

Move along people. Until we play the game, none of us will know what'll actually happen in the game.
2pacalypsenow  +   858d ago
with MGS being all mainstream and on every damn console its lost some of its magic IMO i think MGS is just getting milked by now. Im a huge fan of MGS but i think MGS is gonna end up like Resident Evil sadly
rezzah  +   858d ago
People want MGS, if it was up to Kojima the series likely would have ended a long time ago.

And it isn't being milked, games that are milked become stale overtime. Only those who enjoy the core of the series will still play the games. Then again this point is based on perception so to each their own.

Your first point is foolish because a game's core isn't affected by being mainstream or non-exclusive. What affects the outcome of the game is based on the developers and the publishers. The good thing about MGS is that Kojima has always been the mind behind it, unlike RE which had heavy influences from various minds. All the good RE games are from Shinji Mikami. As far as I know the GOW series is the only series to have such highly praised games with different directors per game.
Skips  +   858d ago

"I don’t like being thought of as ‘the Metal Gear guy.’ There’s a lot more I can do."

*Turns around and helps with MG: Rising.

*Then announces MGSV.



Didn't Kojima Productions write the story and pretty much produce ALL the cut scenes or something?
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GamingBuddha09  +   858d ago
he really didnt help with rising, more that he gave rising over to Platinum Games and said "make it work" if he didnt give rising to Platinum i dont he would have had the time to plan out MGSV
SubtenkoGaming  +   858d ago
That's alright, as long as he is with Sony his creativity wont be hindered :)
Ethereal  +   858d ago
CobraUnit  +   858d ago
This might be a bit off topic but why does Big boss in MGS5 look like Solid snake? Shouldn't he look more like Big boss at the end MGS4 only younger?

Now that we know that Solidus was the perfect clone it would only make sense to make him look more like a highly detailed but young Solidus.
Mouktouk  +   858d ago
Well, Metal Gear Solid 4 takes place in 2014, while Metal Gear Solid 5 likely takes place in the early 80's, so he still got time to age and have the look he has in MGS4 (especially considering Big Boss was born in 1935).
CobraUnit  +   858d ago
But big bosses face is slimmer than the model in MGS5 so that makes no sense.

Snakes face in and head in MGS5 looks much bigger than big bosses head in mgs4, and as far as i know you don't get slimmer when you age.

I personally think that the model should be changed to acuratly display a younger big boss.
HeavenlySnipes  +   858d ago
Well Snake before MGS4 looked like the younger version of the MGS4 Big Boss
GamingBuddha09  +   858d ago
it would but between 1989 and 1996 Solidus was in the CIA fighting in the First Liberian Civil War commanding the Small Boy Unit of child soldiers, of which Raiden was a part of. This would place Solidus between the ages 17 and 24. Big Boss between the time of Peace Walker and the attack on Mother Base in the MGSV trailer could be anywhere between 39 and mid to late 40's
Mouktouk  +   858d ago
Remember that it's not the first time MGS storyline has been rewritten in order to fit to the scenario of other Metal Gear games.
For example, in Metal Gear Solid, when talking about Dr. Clark, this person is referred as a man.
Yet, in Metal Gear Solid 3, it is pretty obvious that Dr. Clark is a woman.

So maybe the timeline will be rewritten again for The Phantom Pain, but there are still potential factors to consider:
- because the doctor in TPP trailer (supposedly Dr Madnar) says he wakes up from a 9 years coma doesn't mean it is true;
- the person who wakes up from that coma may not be Big Boss. He may be that "third man" Master Miller is referring to at the beginning of the trailer, or he may be (I don't know) the very first experiment from Les Enfants Terribles project. Who knows, he may be an age-accelerated clone;

However, in my opinion, it is just a simple mistake that will either be fixed, either be forgotten.
Ace_Pheonix  +   858d ago
Interesting theories, there is definitely more going on there that we don't know about. With Psycho Mantis and all those dream elements mixed into reality, who knows what's really going on. Did you ever see the DGN for MGS1? The Psycho Mantis segment there is totally different, and actually pretty cool. These trailers have reminded me of it a good deal.
Mouktouk  +   858d ago
Nope, never seen it the DGN, unfortunately. That's the one released on PSP, right?
porkChop  +   858d ago
Les Enfants Terribles happened in 1972, 11 years before The Phantom Pain, and 2 years before Ground Zeroes and Peace Walker. So that can't be a clone.

I get really annoyed with all the retcons in this series. Like come on, stick to your own fucking story. Metal Gear games by themselves are amazing, but if you look at the story as a whole, and all the retcons, the whole thing is incredibly sloppy and poorly planned out.
Revolver_X_  +   858d ago
I dont see a problem with rewriting canon from old a$$ MSX2 games. As far as MGS1 goes, Big Boss is Snakes father. A fight between Grey Fox and Solid Snake happened in Zanzibar. Naomi and Frank's backstory of how they met.

Kojima didnt even think Metal Gear would go anywhere. Hell, in MG1 Snake doesnt even acknowledge Big Boss as his father. There are inconsistencies just between MG1 and MG2. Most of the MGS fanbase today have only read about MG1 and MG2, but havent even played them to understand how bad they were storywise. I see nothing wrong with trying to give a full coherent backstory now.
TheOneEyedHound  +   858d ago
Not at all, everything fits perfect.
Please tell me one sloppy sequence?

Hint the patriots never existed, that should tell you a lot, in a lot of different ways.
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Unicron  +   858d ago
Regarding Clark - in the original translation from Japan, no gender was specified. When it was brought over to English, the Dr. was made male.
Tango_911  +   858d ago
I agree with your first point. I mean for all we know this "9 years" could be completely false and be setup for a story motive in the Phantom Pain, where Big boss has to find the truth
Mouktouk  +   858d ago
Yep. I don't know if that point is right or wrong, but we all know Metal Gear games, from the very first episode, is a matter of lies, manipulations and false truths.

So who knows what is true and what is false, in a world full of flaming unicorns, living-deads and giant whales? Which part of the Phantom Pain trailer is true, which one is an hallucination, a lie or an elaborate manipulation?
Ace_Pheonix  +   858d ago
Different coma, I'm sure. In Peace Walker *spoiler alert*, after you complete every operation, you get a wiretapped recording of Kaz speaking to Zero about Les Enfants, how it already happened (as it is in the current timeline) before the founding of MSF, and how Big Boss won't be pleased when he finds out about it. Now in this trailer, you can see Outer Heaven get blown to shit and Snake and Kaz trying to fight them off. Clearly immediately after the burned man says something along the lines of "The pirate raid is a go" in the GZ trailer. Somewhere in that raid is when I believe Kaz and BB get injured, and it's also when he falls into his coma. To be fair though, I don't really know where 9 years of coma fit into the timeline. But it's not before the events of PW.
Mounce  +   857d ago
I think that the timeline is going to be rewritten because it really doesn't go over between MGS3 and PW. That Big Boss establishes Fox Hound and then leaves after Zero does what he had. Though I did recall hearing that wiretap, I can't remember it word for word, unsure if Big Boss knows of the Clone-project or otherwise.

But as the timeline suggested, it was Before Peacewalker....but I'm thinking they're going to introduce the Clone-project in MGSV/GZ instead which is during the 80's instead of 70's....unsure....
SageHonor  +   858d ago
There are only retcons because people want more metal gear solid. i think kojima said he wanted to be officially don after sons of liberty.
JustInTlME  +   858d ago
It could all just be within his coma and known of it actually happening....? Hence the flaming whale...
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Number-Nine  +   858d ago
It looks to me that MGS5 takes place before/on 1980 and after/on 1989. thats a 9 year difference explaining his 9 year coma
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SeraphimBlade  +   858d ago
Well, clearly, the original timeline was an illusion created by the patriots!

Number-Nine  +   858d ago
i can see this all being one kojima joke!

in the end...the patriots are controlling us.
imsocool1234  +   858d ago
1964 – Snake Eater
1970 – Portable Ops
1974 – Peace Walker
1983? – The Phantom Pain
1995 – Metal Gear
1999 – Metal Gear 2
2005 – Metal Gear Solid
2007/9 – Sons of Liberty
2014 – Guns of the Patriots
2018 – Metal Gear Rising
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medman  +   858d ago
One things for sure, Kojima loves fucking with people. Subterfuge and misdirection are his specialties.
TheOneEyedHound  +   858d ago
People who are saying the story is sloppy, don't know what they are saying.

The whole MGS story is mainly center by lies, the only way to know the truth is by playing through every game.

What the NPC tell you about the past you got to take it with a grain of salt, but you know what the beauty is? You find out first hand.
ginsunuva  +   857d ago
What if the whole game is just a dream sequence. Then it fits. Otherwise, Rising and this are just unnecessary milks, just like GoW Ascnesion and GoW Judgement
Welcome2Die  +   857d ago
Its essentially a spinoff....

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