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'Nobody knows final next-gen hardware specs,' DICE exec suggests

Patrick Bach claims Battlefield 4 studio is working on target specs and alpha hardware

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SlavisH21215d ago (Edited 1215d ago )

oh no fanboys wont like this! This site members love to say one system is going to be stronger then anything and to hell with the consequence! Screw any logic or lack of facts, DAMN!

Ashunderfire861215d ago

Well of course they know LOL!!! It is all a secret. It's call lying until they finally reveal it, like Sony did with the PS4 announcement. They originally said that they would make their competitor go first. Can you say that Guerilla games, Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Bungie, Activision, and etc don't know? Of Course they know. I knew what we saw for that 17 minute BF4 trailer was pre alpha. These games are going to look even better overtime. Metal Gear Solid 5 photo-realism will look better overtime. It is already a fact that PS4 and Xbox Next will look even better than the current generation, so it's not hard to believe that such visuals shown on BF4 can be possible on Next gen.

TheGrimReaper1215d ago (Edited 1215d ago )

"It is already a fact that PS4 and Xbox Next will look even better than the current generation"

What do you mean by current generation?
If you mean PS3/360: Thx for stating the obvious o.O

If you mean PC: Nope, multiplatform games will always look better on high-end PCs

And sry but could people (just generally speaking not about you Ashunderfire86) stop saying "pre alpha"?
Successors of early prototype builds, proof of concepts and placeholder models,textures etc. that is what pre alpha looks like.
Everything up and runnning? Particles, post processing, sound, voice overs? Releasing in just a few months? Let's called it a beta...
Companies wouldn't even dare to show pre alpha footage! The media and gamers would scream: Looks like crap!
Every developer who watermarks their near finished material "pre alpha" should be cursed.
At least they could tell us which parts are going to be revised or will receive a major overhaul.

EDIT: And yes I know, Bach said pre-alpha footage but this is just complete bull**** imho -.-
But they've got the reaction they've wanted. "Wow this is pre-alpha? This game will look amazing when it reaches gold status!!!"
It won't look that much better, mark my words.

MysticStrummer1214d ago

@GrimReaper - PC people need to make up their minds. Do PCs have generations or not? We're told both on here at different times. Most reasonable people would say they don't, so when someone says "next gen hardware specs" it's obvious they mean consoles and there's no need to bring up PCs at all. But of course anyone who looks at N4G knows how much PC people need to inject themselves into every article's comment section.

thechosenone1214d ago

Sorry but we do and we did with when it came to the final specs for the PS4. The only thing that changes at this stage in the game for hardware are are CPU speeds and the amount of ram a system will have, everything else remains unchanged so when those same source claim the nextbox specs won't be that impressive, I believe them.

Dirtnapstor1214d ago

Why do PCer's get so pissy when it comes to gaming? Unless you've got a $5000 rig, console gaming is where it's at. Any PC game I've ever played looks sterile compared to the console counterpart.
The PC genre needs to be separated from the console world. Sick of all the tech jargon...let us Consolers enjoy ourselves please!

thechosenone1214d ago (Edited 1214d ago )

The PS4 will be 40-50% more powerful than the nextbox...discussion starts at post #3044

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Autodidactdystopia1214d ago

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thechosenone

what do you mean we know hardware specs?

only thing changes this late in the game is cpu speed and ram? what other specs are you talking about?

those seem like the most important to consolers to me.

TheGrimReaper1214d ago (Edited 1214d ago )

@MysticStrummer & Dirtnapstor:

Ummm, you don't assume I'm one of those PC enthusiast, do you?
I'm a true Consolero! (exception: I don't own a Xbox 360 :P)
My PC is currently a laptop with a 8800M GTX GPU, Intel Core2 Extreme X9000 and just 4GB RAM. It's older than my PS3!

@MysticStrummer:
I've just brought up PC because Ashunderfire86's sentence (quoted in my comment above) wasn't clear to me. My first thought was: "U don't say?" (insert Nicolas Cage's face here).
But I thought: instead of just assuming things I should consider two options:
He either meant consoles OR PC
While it is "true" that there are no real generations on PC (ever evolving platform), for me a current gen PC is a high end PC with state of the art GPU,CPU and RAM.
This is why I had to ask what he meant and it wasn't related to the headline nor the article.

@Dirtnapstor:
I'm not pissy about gaming! I love gaming, especially on consoles.
And I haven't even used "tech jargon" :/
If you are a gamer there shouldn't be a single word in my comment you haven't heard of!

Nilemonitors131214d ago

Hello everyone, im new in n4g and i want everyone to know that im mexican, so my english is not perfect, so please bear with me. First of all I wanted to ask if the xbox 720´s r umoured dual gpu would be more powerful than the ps4 and if there is a possibility that the ps4 has more specs under the hood that we do not know about, thank you fotr your time. Ihad to triple post this to try an get a f**king answer and not just random disagrees,PS4 luv 4evryone .

thechosenone1214d ago (Edited 1214d ago )

@Nilemonitors13

The rumors at one point talked about dual gpu for the xbox but that was found to be full of sh*t. The latest info says it'll sport a 7770 gpu much weaker than PS4.

checkout the link here for more info.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

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jimbobwahey1215d ago

Well we know the hardware specs for the PS4 already because Sony has officially revealed them. Cold hard fact I'm afraid, and whatever DICE says doesn't change that. Sorry Slavis.

dcbronco1215d ago (Edited 1215d ago )

Sony hasn't said the specs are set. They said the exact opposite. And Microsoft hasn't said anything. So no one does know the final specs of either console.

The Sony statement about letting MS go first makes me believe they would make changes if the 720 proved to be more powerful. And there have been rumors of a lot of different parts on GPUs.

Here's an article where Jack Tretton says the PS4 pricing and specs aren't final.

http://www.engadget.com/201...

So until this is all settled and someone can test both, no one will know which is more powerful.

@ SolidSystem

If MS went with a modular system like they had planned, they might still be able to make changes. And I'm sure Sony went with a modular design too. Also, both companies might have designed several GPU's from the 6xxx series to the 8xxx series. Then it would be a matter of which to attach to the CPU on the die. The GPU leaks have been all over the place.

Maybe they sent different equipment to different companies. With the most powerful versions kept in-house. Since it all the same basic architecture giving others the better machine later would be like handing out presents.

greenpowerz1215d ago (Edited 1215d ago )

You know what Sony wanted people to hear tying to negate upcoming MSFT hype. You don't know what will be final specs in the PS4.

Those announced PS4 specs could be the *4D*, [email protected]*, *10x more powerful than a super computer*, *launch games won't be possible on other platform their entire life span* of the PS3 smoke and mirrows pre console launch hype.

There is a reason Sony said the specs are not final because they are target specs, set high after finding out what MSFT is doing.

1ghz 1.79 Double Precision x 2 well over 2 T-flops
http://www.expertreviews.co...

*waits for bluetemplar's meltdown*
http://www.google.com/searc...

LOL Dcbronco proved even Sony agrees with the dev, with a link yet the PS3 fan comment with a favorable message even though delusional gets the agrees while DCbronco get disagees.

ZoyosJD1214d ago

@Greenpowerz...LOL...no. A GTX TITAN (4-5x more expensive) barely has over 1.8 TFLOPS double precision.

Those are single precision counts.

If MS have two APUs("single" 8 core with two discrete GPUs) bolted in their 720 like Sony's PS4 supposibly has they might get numbers like that, but not from the GPU alone.

MysticStrummer1214d ago

@greenwithenvy -

"Blacklight dev: 'Sony is really in to win this one'
I think Sony is really in to win this one. I’m good friends with a lot of guys at Microsoft, I’m under their NDA flag, and Microsoft definitely has a different outlook than Sony does."

BlueTemplar1214d ago

@greenpowerz LOL made me chuckle that did. I assume by meltdown you meant "point out the usual glaring stupidity in your posts", so here goes:

"There is a reason Sony said the specs are not final because they are target specs, set high after finding out what MSFT is doing."

If you watched the PS4 reveal, you'd have seen they were actually pretty explicit about what the hardware was going to be. Seems unlikely to me that they will suddenly do a u-turn and release something inferior to what they revealed, but then again.. I'm not a retarded xbox zealot.

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ijust2good1214d ago

The final hardware HAS definetly been finalized and already in pre production. They have to create the parts from the chip to the casing nearly a year in advance to meet the demands on launch.

He could have meant that the final dev kit that matches the hardware hasn't been finalized.

Anyhow, there could be surprises that Sony hasn't announced so that Microsoft doesn't follow suite. Kaz Hirai did joke about going first allows ur competitor to beat u. We know Sony showed off there machine first. They could have shown near complete but not FULL so maybe we are in for a surprise.

You never know, Sony might have another single dedicated GPU working along side by side with the APU. Who knows, time will tell.

3-4-51214d ago

All dev's were probably advised to not use any more than 4GB of ram so as not to be too reliant on the current dev kit built in case of a change.

Not sure if that is even a realistic scenario.

Lykon1214d ago

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Knight_Crawler1214d ago (Edited 1214d ago )

Yup according to some people on N4G rumors are the truth and those leaked documents that a troll made in his moms basement are real.

The sad part about it is that when MS proves that those docs were fake come E3 the same people that believed the rumors will spin it around by saying that MS was scared and they changed their specs because of what Sony should...Fanbnoy logic -__-

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SolidSystem1215d ago

well both next-gen consoles are still being developed. They might find that their cores for example can run perfectly fine a little faster than expected etc.... no major changes should be expected though.

kneon1215d ago

At this point only minor changes can occur if they are targeting shipments in Q4. While the final assembly can wait until fairly close to the release, the upstream suppliers need time to get their production up to speed so that the console manufacturers aren't left waiting for parts.

I expect the final specs for CPU, GPU and RAM to be cast in stone in the next month or so if they aren't already.

torchic1214d ago (Edited 1214d ago )

exactly. the peanut gallery in the first comment thread is arguing over nothing.

Sony and Microsoft have to start showing their hardware to various organizations which control the quality of goods coming into a country/region. example nowerdays in the EU you have to prove your your electronics meet green and eco-friendly standards, and all that stuff. lots of checks and re-checks and then authorisation.

they then have to start mass production, marketing, testing, etc.

both Microsoft and Sony have been developing these machines for years. whatever changes in the next few months will be minimal. it's far too late to make major changes right now.

SolidSystem1214d ago

minor changes, but those are spec changes none the less.

Neither APU is production ready yet, which means everything sent out to devs at this point are and should be considered Target units. a ball park, but not what is going to be in every PS4.

kneon1214d ago

Sure there could be some spec changes, but they won't be huge. Maybe the clock rates could move a little up or down for example, but don't expect anything too radical.

Tei7771215d ago

Good thing if you ask me. Hopefully competition continues to drive the specs up. If you want a cheap next-gen console, buy the Wii U...

Arai1215d ago

Well there's some truth to that isn't there?
As far as PS4 is concerned, Sony won't ship the final dev-kit until this summer.
I'm taking a wild guess here, but most likely it's the same for Durango as well..
Until then they have to work with what they have....which is Alpha hardware.

josephayal1215d ago

I really hope the XBOX 720 comes with 4K Graphics

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medman1215d ago

Josephayal, you better hope the nextbox comes with great games and forget 4k, because Sony is bringing the games.

TheGrimReaper1215d ago

What do you mean by 4K Graphics?

PS4 is able to render in 4K resolution (stated by Mark Cerny, although he was referring to the UI and the bandwidth needs just for that).

PS4, and most likley Nextbox, COULD play games with this resolution BUT these would be very simplistic games.

In regards of consumers expectations of nextgen graphics 4K resolution isn't practical for consoles.
Everyone cried about a 599$ PS3, a console which could display BF4 (as an example) at this resolution would cost more.

josephayal1215d ago

I'd expect 1080p native and maybe some sort of update later on to upscale to 4k maybe 8K

DeadlyFire1214d ago

Not gonna happen.

3-4 Tflops required for 4K at 30 fps.

PS4 - 1.84 Tflops for GPU
X720 - 1.23 Tflops for GPU
WiiU - 0.4 or 0.5 Tflops at most for GPU.

CPU added to that equals .1-.2 added.

Unless PS4/X720 have two-three duplicate GPUs its not gonna have 4K.

ZoyosJD1214d ago

Did you consider the APUs discrete GPU(s).

Recent iterations have been pushing ~640 GFLOPS, and the PS4/720 architecture appear to be two new, yet to be released, APUs bolted together with a separate GPU.

1.84 TFLOP GPU + 2 * 4 core APU + 2 discrete GPUs (~700-800 GFLOPS each) = 3.25-3.5 TFLOPS total.

That's just raw power, no optimization.

The hardware has ~2x the memory needed for a 4k frame buffer and plentiful bandwidth.

APUs perform way better with faster memory and GDDR5 is as fast as it gets for now.

APUs are incredibly efficient, bolstering 3x the GFLOPS per $ compared to a traditional CPU + GPU combos.

Honestly, I think upscaling from 1600p to 4k and downsamping to 1080p could become the norm for next gen games with a few reaching 4k.

DeadlyFire1213d ago (Edited 1213d ago )

Yes. PS4 and X720 have a custom APU

18 CU for PS4.
12 CU for X720.

The CU is the key to their Tflop numbers. This is just the APU of the system though. Spec sheets of the PS4 also had a second number of 922 Gigaflops. Sony has offered no detail on that though so it could be their secret sauce.

Optimization is great, but it only goes so far. I suspect they could hit somewhere around what 3 Tflops of raw power on a PC could do with some effort though.

fsfsxii1214d ago

Sure, enjoy 4K graphics with KINECT2

aLucidMind1214d ago

Maybe DSQD thinks you're a sweet little pastry... or he just doesn't know how to spell lol.

hesido1214d ago

Why the HECK people are interested in 4K is beyond me. Do you sit 10cm away from your 42 inch TV? Talk about overkill. All those extra power needed to fill up those extremely unnecessary pixels can be used for other much needed real-time rendering improvements, and even whole frames.

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