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The PS4's Camera Can Do Some Cool Tricks

Norden gave a presentation designed to introduce the PlayStation 4 to developers. The talk was mostly technical, but they shared new details about the PS4, including how the augmented reality features will work.

The AR will use the PS4's camera, the PlayStation 4 Eye, in combination with the new DualShock controller, which will combine with facial recognition to let the PS4 identify each player based not only on their controller, but their face. (PS4, Sony)

Godmars290  +   471d ago
Just so long as I don't need it, I don't care.
smashcrashbash  +   471d ago
I know it is your opinion and everything but was it really necessary to say you don't care?
iGAM3R-VIII  +   471d ago
Well technically he is right, but I guess you have an opinion to and everyones opinion is different, unless you are truely trolling. Anyway, most of the cameras features seem interesting, I will have to wait until E3 to see a demo and see what it actually does.

CommonSenseGamer + 9m ago
Yes, but Kinect is what the PS eye should have been and now it looks like it is.
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EDIT: @CommonSenseGamer you comment is very ironic because of your username, I would of thought that you had common sense. The original EyeToy was made in 1997 (correct me if wrong) and do you really think ANY company could of made a Kinect back then.
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joeorc  +   471d ago
@ALLWRONG
"So the PS Eye web cam (what ever it's called) had an infrared projector, 3D RGB camera, depth sensor, multi-array microphone, full-body 3D motion capture, facial recognition and voice recognition capabilities?

I'm just going to go ahead and answer that for you and just say "NO" it didn't.

I know you guys like to "pretend" it's just a PS Eye, but it's new technology that Sony just blatantly copied. Yup! ripped off or copied, but at the end of the day, it's just a Kinect clone you guys now have to defend.... KARMA!

Go ahead and try to prove me wrong. Scour the net for as long as you like. You will find nothing but dust and tumble weeds. "

well seeing how this is quite a few year's before kinect technology was "Licenced" by Microsoft, Sony R&D lab's was already working on such evolution for the Eyetoy, or Playstation EYE.

Project Natal running on PlayStation 2 , over 5 years before it came out for Microsoft's xbox360!

year 2004!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
JasonKCK  +   471d ago
if kinect tech was sonys tech then sony would sue ms. thats how the logical world knows its not the same thing. gas motors and hybrid motors do the same thing but its not the same tech. u r saying that sonys gas motor is the same as ms hybrid and trying to give sony the credit.
joeorc  +   471d ago
@JasonKCK
"if kinect tech was sonys tech then sony would sue ms. thats how the logical world knows its not the same thing. gas motors and hybrid motors do the same thing but its not the same tech. u r saying that sonys gas motor is the same as ms hybrid and trying to give sony the credit."

no im not saying that in the slightest!

did you even watch the video?

That was Kinect! the technology they were using in that demo was Prime sense, Sony was looking into using it way before Microsoft was! over 4 year's infact before Microsoft was

Sony cannot sue for technology they did not make can they?

What i was pointing out, was that Sony's R&D WAS ONE OF THE Companies that was looking into 3D Depth senseing technology for Gaming. Saying they copy Microsoft in this Idea for 3D depth senseing camera Technology for Game's,is kinda far fetched. As a matter of fact in 2000 many companies aside from Sony saw this was going to be a trend in the next decade Siggraph 2000 technology event's onward shows that in the keynotes . one of which Sony's very own DR. Richard Marks demo'ed many times over the several year's while showing off their concept of Move and camera technology combined for a interactive control method for game's.
thechosenone  +   470d ago
I'm getting it, I want to try out motion gaming next gen and it'll be a good break from the typical core games that I play, also it looks so damn sexy.
MurDocINC  +   470d ago
I wanna know if I can use it to aim?
And can I secretly record me doing girls on the couch?
darthv72  +   470d ago
@god
oh you will care AND you will need it. Because the games being developed for it will not be played any other way.

Do you think the inclusion of the light bar on the controller is just there for aesthetics? Its there because it will be integrated into the games for the PS4.

for something to be used to its potential, it has to be there from the beginning. If it is an after thought, it will never truly be realized or incorporated in the various games that are made for the system.

Many may not like the wii and the motion gaming in general but the wii did something the other systems didnt. It was standard with a wiimote and you had to use that wiimote for every game released. Regardless if the game supported the classic controller or gamecube controller, it was the wiimote first and foremost.

The devs have the discretion of using the extra abilities of the wiimote just as they will have the discretion of using the new ps4 eye but because its there and (hopefully) its included in every box, there is no excuses to NOT find a way to utilize it.

YOU may not like the idea but you havent experienced how its used so you are casting your doubt before even trying it. Now that could be based off experience of using Kinect. But we will know soon enough if it is just like kinect or better. im willing to give it a chance and I think others should as well.

On a side note, it can be said that if the parent company doesnt support their own product then it is doomed to fail. Nintendo released several afterthought products within their time. ROB, powerglove, powerpad...just as sony has released some add-ons that they didnt fully support either.

If sony believes this is the time for it to be a game changer, we will know by how much support they give it right from the start. And while people may hate MS and kinect, at least they have been supporting their product since it came out. They believe it is worth supporting from games made to use it exclusively to the incorporation of simpler uses in traditional games.

People can fault MS for the idea of giving up on core gamers but you cant fault them for standing by their product. If a kinect 2 is part of every nextbox sold, better believe it will get the full support of the developers making games for that platform. Especially if they are multiplatform and they know there is something similar to it on the PS4.
Irishguy95  +   470d ago
It's simple, sony 'look into things'. MS and Nintendo 'do things'. Sony then follows up with a lightbulb dildo and Kinect for Ps4. Once it was ensured the motion controls were successful products after MS and Nintendo took the risk with their motion controls.
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kingfetish17  +   470d ago
Augmented Reality is pretty cool. Seen it in action on the MK Vita game.

The more features, the merrier. As long as they're not required and don't cost any subscription fees.
dboyc310  +   471d ago
Base off the title of the article and knowing you don't care why bother commenting it?
Godmars290  +   471d ago
Because I DO care?

Whether or not Sony includes it the PS4 its going to effect how games are made. Its also more than likely that later during the console's cycle they may just bundle it with a system.

I'm not hot on the social features they're adding and I still have a bug up my butt in regards to how HD has ruined sprite animation on home systems. So yeah, if Sony's going to do the same crap MS has with Kinect, even if its more of an option, I care about it.
Donnieboi  +   471d ago
What's your beef with the camera? People jist love to hate new ideas...
irepbtown  +   470d ago
I just think he wants to enjoy the experience to his liking. I'm all for innovation, but sometimes I just don't want it to affect ME.

However this sounds pretty awesome. Little robots on the controller haha. Would love to read and preferably see more of this.
ps3_pwns  +   470d ago
i actually will need it though because i got some sexy ladies who are gonna come over when i get the ps4 and we gonna make some movies.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   470d ago
Anything with a camera that's able to connect wireless can be used to spy on you... Investigation units already use phones for that very purpose. It's like voluntarily bugging yourself though it won't matter unless your on a most wanted list or a mob boss but it's still creepy.
boing1  +   470d ago
PS Eye is mandatory.
GribbleGrunger  +   470d ago
So, what exactly is wrong with Godmars290 thinking? Yes, it's simple, but largely speaking that just means he's being completely honest. Rather than frame his thoughts in rhetoric he's offered a no frills opinion that I actually agree with. I'm also happy with the PSEye2 as long as it's optional. If optional means I can't then use sales for flag waving, I don't really care. What I DO care about is having a choice.

I don't care that certain franchises on the PS3 didn't sell as many copies as certain franchises on the 360, I just care that they are great games or that there are far more of them. I don't feel it necessary to force myself to like MOVE simply because Sony decided to ignore me and opt to cater purely for the casuals. I can be honest, as Godmars290 has been.

And why is it that so many people feel it necessary to start the 'who copied who' nonsense yet again. Haven't you realised by now that it's a fruitless endeavour and that those you accuse of copying can actually provide proof that they haven't copied but rather simply improved tech they already invented. You will always come off second best and will forever look the fool ... so JUST try to enjoy Kinect eh? Microsoft are bound to pile millions into developing games for it and clearly you'll all LOVE that future.

So keep on buying those Kinect2 games and MS will cater to your needs more and more. If you suddenly find yourself feeling a little left out when we Sony fans are discussing the large library of exclusive core/hardcore games, just wait for the MOVE/PSEye2 games to be announced and post your 'Sony copied' remarks. It won't change reality but it may just help salve your waning spirits. Enjoy.
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MikeMyers  +   469d ago
"So, what exactly is wrong with Godmars290 thinking? I'm also happy with the PSEye2 as long as it's optional. If optional means I can't then use sales for flag waving, I don't really care. What I DO care about is having a choice."

Even if it's optional you know they will be throwing resources behind it. Sony seems to manage it better than the other two. We seen Move titles come out while Sony still keeping it;s main focus on hardcore games. If Move had sold much better I imagine they would have shifted more focus to it. I expect the PS4 camera to have a larger role in the upcoming system. Not as much as we've seen with Kinect but more than we saw with Move.

"I don't care that certain franchises on the PS3 didn't sell as many copies as certain franchises on the 360, I just care that they are great games or that there are far more of them."

First off you should care. Sony closed some of those studios and if we continue to see games like Twisted Metal not sell that well chances are we will see less of them. Remember, Sony also has to show profits at the end of the day. They will be much more frugal going forward than they were on the PS3.

"And why is it that so many people feel it necessary to start the 'who copied who' nonsense yet again."

It's just noise like a lot of comments on here. They all copy one another while trying to put their own brand on top of it. Doesn't matter. What does matter is who does it better and makes the most use of it. Did Apple invent the portable music player? No but they managed to make it more appealing and do it in a way that people enjoyed.

"So keep on buying those Kinect2 games and MS will cater to your needs more and more. If you suddenly find yourself feeling a little left out when we Sony fans are discussing the large library of exclusive core/hardcore games, just wait for the MOVE/PSEye2 games to be announced and post your 'Sony copied' remarks. It won't change reality but it may just help salve your waning spirits. Enjoy."

That really sounds quite immature and quite frankly, narrow-minded. All of this MS fans and Sony fans is just a bunch of rhetoric. We're all fans of gaming so all of these categories were created just to make people feel special. When you look at the hundreds of games on the PS3 and the hundreds of games on the Xbox 360 are you honestly going to tell me there is a huge difference in gamers? Most of them play the same, most of them look the same, most of them cost the same. In fact most of them really are the same. I never understood how one gamer can say I love Killzone and Gran Turismo but I don't like Halo and Forza. To them it's almost black and white. That's not being a gamer, that's being a slave to brand recognition.
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Number-Nine  +   471d ago
begone motion gaming!
WeAreLegion  +   471d ago
I don't think Sony is doing a whole lot of motion gaming, to be honest. This camera is mostly being used for additional features and easier access to things within games and apps.

There will obviously be fitness and sports games for it, but I think their main focus is to give hardcore gamers more accessibility.
-Alpha  +   471d ago
I like the ability to sign me in based on recognition, and I really like voice recognition! I wonder if that can be used in-game, Skyrim on Kinect is really cool for that.

One thing I'm worried about is using the camera to taunt. It's going to be Omegle for PlayStation, if you know what I mean.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   470d ago
Response to your first comment and this one.

"This is how do you a motion camera...for the hardcore audience."

Get this MS had a terrible year with Kinect last year getting 30 and 40 ratings on the Metacritic scale. Low sales that didn't make MS money besides the hits, Just dance, Kinect Sports Kinectimals. The only thing that works with Kinect is the dash navigation and those handful of games I mention.

So what you just said can easily apply to MS next gen. MS will implement Kinect in a different way. The way they are doing it now isn't working. So why would MS support the same failing strategy next gen?
WeAreLegion  +   470d ago
That's very true. MS could easily adopt this strategy, as well.
hesido  +   470d ago
-Alpha: Maybe the video taunts are reserved for people in your social circles and people you have in your list, like your full name. I am hoping so, because I don't think I want to be "omegled".
clintagious650  +   471d ago
Its different then kinect thats for sure & the reason I dig it is because a controller is better use for these features. There is no way that playing a fps game will feel more comfortable without a controller thats why I think sony is taking the right direction with using a controller.
edonus  +   471d ago
So......

They showed off some kinect features and now they are cool tricks.

Interesting.

But this is kotaku, they hate kinect and are some of the biggest poison peddlers out there. Kinect could save his children and he would still feed it to the wolves.
MysticStrummer  +   471d ago
The best thing about PS4's camera is that it is entirely optional.

http://blogs.seattletimes.c...

"The new Xbox material also discusses the new, improved version of the Kinect sensor coming with the hardware. The sensor will no longer be an optional accessory; it will come with every console and “be required for the system to operate.”
Belking  +   471d ago
Everything is optional because no one is forced to buy anything. With that being said kinect 2 looks like it's gonna blow away this thing.

@ Kratos_Kills below this post:

"They're making it more logical where it servers purposes like signing you in based in your controller and switching split screen if you move or based in where you're sitting etc."

Basically they are doing what the first Kinect has already been doing. Motion crap gaming....lol
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The_Infected  +   471d ago
Kinect blow away this thing? It's not even competition to Kinect. Sony isn't forcing motion crap gaming on anyone like MS. They're making it more logical where it servers purposes like signing you in based in your controller and switching split screen if you move or based in where you're sitting etc.
zebramocha  +   471d ago
You can sign in with ps eye now,their is YouTube video of it.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   471d ago
Cool tricks like always being on every time you play a game.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   470d ago
Cool now that SONY is into it. . .lol. The hypocrisy just never ceases.
Hicken  +   470d ago
Kinda like how the Microsoft crowd has flip-flopped on the media hub issue?

That aside, this is from Kotaku, a site rather notorious for trolling Sony... and just sucking in general. So if I were you- thank goodness I'm not- I'd take ALL their articles with a grain of salt... which I do, anyway.

Even then, no one is really calling it "cool" outside of the author. And if there IS one "cool" thing about it, it's that Sony won't make this stuff nearly as up-front as Microsoft or Nintendo did with their motion gaming variations.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   470d ago
Media hub issue? It's crap and there's no flip flopping from that. Same goes with Kinect, the thing ps3 fanboys claim to hate. I see no hate now that Lord Sony is doing it.
Actually the difference is the camera will be second and core gamers first.

You like companies who do the reverse. lol fooling unless u are a casual.
Pillsbury1  +   470d ago
Exactly Sony has stated numerous times its about the core gamers and what we actually play: GAMES. They barely mentioned the camera in there press conference, it's there if you want to mess around with if you don't then don't use it.
Donnieboi  +   470d ago
No, it's cool because now we have the addition of motion controls without the abandonment of the hardcore. The problem with kinect was two fold: MS abandoned the core, and 2nd, the kinect was not very responsive.

Sony will never abandon the core. And the camera's specs show it will be very responsive.

Dont blame kinect for ms selling out the core in exchange for casuals. They only used the kinect as a catalyst to not support the core.

Having this camera guarantees that Sony can sell this system even in this harsh economy. People can get a ps4 and see it as a great investment because it will have features built in for the whole family, so that 3rd party casual games made for kinect 2 can still work on it. But that won't distract from the hardcore games being made.

Keep in mind that one of the top selling games every month is those "Just Dance" Kinect games. THAT is why xbox is still selling in America, despite the fact xbox has no decent core exclusives. So, Sony just wants to make sure they get some of that money too. It sucks when Sony tries harder than MS, yet MS outsells them (only in America...the rest of the world is smarter) because of high Kinect sales.

So let Sony future-proof their system (a man could convince his entire family that it's a good purchase for each family member/gamer-type to enjoy...so the casuals dont need to buy an xbox also). THAT is the reason for the camera...to cover all of their bases. So please people, stop crying. If we want Sony to win, it has to crush MS at it's own game. But at least Sony itself is focused entirely on the hardcore while allowing some 3rd parties to dump any of their 3rd party kinect 2 games on the new ps eye as a convenient afterthought for casuals too.
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BabyTownFrolics  +   470d ago
N4G, f*cking hypocrites. Spend so much time hating Kinect, and now that Sony updates the PSeye its suddenly ok. I get that some of you folks hate MS. But if you hate Kinect you should hate this too. But you won't. You'll find some way to rationalize this and ignore your cognitive dissonance.
T2  +   470d ago
Its not hypocritical. Most people here hate motion games like stupid bowling and archery shit ... But voice recognition for sign in or cool bonus features are fine ...ANything bonus is a bonus!
Its not the tech its how its used and marketed
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Blackcanary  +   470d ago
The way i see it as is PS4 Camera Plus DS4 = upgraded PS Move. Question is will my PS Move Controller work with the PS4 Camera.
hesido  +   470d ago
Yes, it will work, and the fidelity will be even higher.
leogets  +   470d ago
as long as it doesn't secretly record me and upload me to porntube fapping to bf4 I'm good
Supermax  +   470d ago
Hey look Sony thought kinect was good enough for there new system next thing is paying a subscription to psn maybe call it psn gold.playing catch up
BrianC6234  +   470d ago
Sony has been working with this stuff for years. Way before Microsoft bought a company that made something like Sony's first camera.
TheKayle1  +   470d ago
yeah can do the tricks to copy kinect after 7 years of talking bad about it....oh pls sony pay for some exclusives is the best u know how to do...for the rest shut the fuck up
SDF Repellent  +   470d ago
MS has abandoned us, the core gamers, with this motion cr@p! wait, is this a Sony article? My bad, I saw the picture of the camera and I thought that is the new Kinect 2.0.
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MrBeatdown  +   470d ago
Kinect 2.0 huh?

By that logic, the PS Eye is EyeToy 2.0, which would make Kinect the EyeToy 2.0... 2.0. So the PS4 Eye is EyeToy 2.0 2.0 2.0.

Did I do that right?

Doesn't matter I suppose. We all know you'll stick with "Kinect 2.0". Works out nice for trolling when you have nothing of value to contribute.
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maniacmayhem  +   470d ago
I don't think you did that right...In fact i don't even know what you did.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   470d ago
Ya cause your response back to him was so enlightening........
MrBeatdown  +   470d ago
Apologies for the confusion. I will elaborate for the sake of clarity.

It's advanced, high level SDF Repellent Logic™.

Based on his formula of "PS4 Eye = Kinect 2.0", we can determine that a new product similar to a competing company's earlier product immediately be dubbed the "2.0" version of said earlier product, as opposed to a continuation of a company's own product. For example, a 3.0 version of EyeToy in this case of the PS4 Eye.

With this logic in mind, observe the follow equations...

PS4 Eye = Kinect 2.0

Kinect = PS3 Eye 2.0

PS3 Eye = EyeToy 2.0

Therefore...

PS4 Eye = (Kinect) 2.0
Kinect = (EyeToy 2.0) 2.0

Therefore...

PS4 Eye = ((EyeToy 2.0) 2.0) 2.0

Or, EyeToy 2.0 2.0 2.0 for short.

Hopefully that clarifies it.
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