Submitted by Sidology 887d ago | opinion piece

How BioShock Infinite ripped off one of the greatest games of all time and nobody noticed

Yesterday, 2K was proud to release BioShock Infinite, the spiritual successor to BioShock and BioShock 2. A grand departure from the underwater adventures inspired by Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, Infinite takes place on another monument of man’s arrogance, but this time floating amidst the clouds.

The premise of Infinite sounds all too familiar, however. (BioShock: Infinite, Chrono Trigger , Culture, PC, PS3, Retro, Xbox 360)

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Bitsnark  +   887d ago
Oooh, this should be rather incendiary :)
Mounce  +   886d ago
I think the guys post on the site says it all:

something something conspiracy something something Half-Life 3 something something dark side
MaxXAttaxX  +   886d ago
It's actually not too far-fetched.... well maybe a bit.
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Zotaku87  +   886d ago
Hey, that was my comment! :D
Mounce  +   886d ago
This explains Everything.

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CalvinKlein  +   886d ago
Gondee  +   886d ago
This is going to get flamed hard lol. I actually found a original, never played Chrono trigger in the attic. they sell for 500 on ebay! Christmas came early!
Deputydon  +   886d ago
Wow. I am one of the biggest Chrono Trigger fans you can find, but this article is just ridiculous. What makes Columbia unique isn't the fact that it's a floating city at all, it's the atmosphere of the city and the transportation method the game uses.

Name another game with something like the Sky Hook system and get back to me.
Jourdy288  +   886d ago
I'm a huge fan of Chrono Trigger too, and while I don't think the that BI ripped off of CT, there are some interesting parallels between Zeal and Columbia.
Desert Turtle  +   887d ago
WarThunder  +   886d ago
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Pozzle  +   887d ago
*Grabs popcorn*
first1NFANTRY  +   887d ago
I knew i recognized the design from somewhere. Here it is folks. Why credit wasn't given is beyond me. They played it off smooth by making everyone believe it was original.
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3-4-5  +   886d ago
As long as they add enough freshness to it and make it their own unique thing then it's ok.

Chrono Trigger was apart of all that Time Travel stuff going on in games in the 1990's...

There are like 30 time travel RPG's.
ninjahunter  +   887d ago
Lol, We should make a list of game ideas that haven't been used already. Lets see... Hmmm... theres.... no wait thats take.... HMMMMmm
joab777  +   887d ago
Everything has been ripped off by someone. Cmon? Did u want them to actually give credit. They were all reading a book about the worlds fair at the turn of the century. Rapture proved the philosophical nature of Levine's story. Is it possible they got the idea of a floating city and decided to make it fit in? Sure. But all ideas come from somewhere.
cyclindk  +   886d ago
See I just ripped ^ this ^ guy off... just changed "somewhere" to "someplace."

Everything has been ripped off by someone. Cmon? Did u want them to actually give credit. They were all reading a book about the worlds fair at the turn of the century. Rapture proved the philosophical nature of Levine's story. Is it possible they got the idea of a floating city and decided to make it fit in? Sure. But all ideas come from some place.
Oh_Yeah  +   886d ago
No ideas original. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
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KwietStorm  +   886d ago
InMyOpinion  +   886d ago
The king of lyricists! Nice :)
masa2009  +   887d ago
I think the answer is more direct.
Ken Levine: "Guys, with BioShock we did a game about an elitist utopian world that was built under the sea. How about we turn the gimmick on its head and make a game about a utopian world set in the skies? Deal."

Sometimes when it looks simple, it is.
Septic  +   886d ago
Well said. Hurray for common sense!
Fishermenofwar  +   886d ago
Common Sense on N4G OOO NOOOEESSSSS!!!
NeXXXuS  +   886d ago
We've got a free thinker here!

TheSaint  +   887d ago
This is so stupid, everything gets copied these days, there is barely an original thought left.
arronax-1  +   886d ago
Should that really be considered an excuse?
Campy da Camper  +   886d ago
Yes. Its like someone painting a car and someone saying, 'man, that color has been done before." There are only so many color variations. What matters is the way the car was painted. How does it flow with the body or the car? Is it done well or just slapped on?
-Gespenst-  +   886d ago
There's a difference between being influenced by something and plagiarism. In the best case, people use something seminal as a spring board to new things (shoulders of giants and all that), while in the worst case, people just cluster around seminal things like flies to shit, and render it completely stale.

I don't think Bioshock plagiarised or was influenced by Chrono Trigger though.
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Xanatos  +   887d ago
Does anyone even play these stupid run of the mill old fps for their story? Whoever likes these tired old boring genre of games dont even know what Chrono Trigger is anyways.
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SageHonor  +   887d ago
Bioshock has a good story compared to the rest

ooo I wanted to try chrono trigger. Which ones would you recommend?
Sidology  +   887d ago
...There's only one Chrono Trigger game. It's called Chrono Trigger.
grimmweisse  +   887d ago
Please tell me you are joking about "which chrono trigger"!
masa2009  +   887d ago
There is a semi sequel called Chrono Cross, which is one is better is debatable, but in terms of gameplay, Chrono Cross is more accessible to an action gamer because you can skip most battles.
These are turn-based games so it's a definite plus.
Story in CT is good, but the battles are run of the mill turn-based JRPG combat. It's pretty slow paced.
hay  +   886d ago
Depends on the platform. DS and Touch devices have some improvements over the SNES version. PSX on the other hand contains pretty sweet anime cutscenes made by Toriyama(Chrono Trigger Char artist, Dragon Ball creator) and additional unlock museum.

Though you can emulate original SNES version for free on your average washng machine.
-Gespenst-  +   886d ago
Chrono Cross is a direct sequel to Chrono Trigger, not a "semi-sequel", I mean have you played it? Also it's unbelievably awesome. They're both incredible games that have yet to be topped.

I don't really think Bioshock can win against any of the best RPGs, it is a shooter at heart. It shows in it's shooting gameplay- which kind of seems to spoil the story a bit.
nan0  +   887d ago
"hey guys, lets take this idea and make fun of nationalism, America, and a flare of Christianity because that's the cool hipster thing to do."

MaleManSam  +   887d ago
Shutup Satriani! Go back to playing guitar!
theDECAY  +   886d ago
Um, what?
Parapraxis  +   886d ago
Dry your tears.
psp2roundup  +   887d ago
With some 150,000+ games made since the first general CPU came out, I'm pretty sure you can find any one game theme in dozens of others, stop being an ass and enjoy the game.
Capodastaro  +   887d ago
So they invented the concept of an airship and floating city?

The idea is as old as time itself and many stories especially during the industrial revolution and the steam revolution had visions of a floating cityscape powered by steam
N4Flamers  +   886d ago
Thank you. Do you remember when games all had the fire level the ice and the jungle level?

Its a setting that's been used before? I hope no game ever takes place in a city again.
Doctor_Freeman  +   887d ago
Eh almost every game these days borrows ideas and concepts from other games these days. Doesn't mean they ripped off anything off from anyone.

Infinite is amazing, had to tear<{pun intended} myself away from it.
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koehler83  +   886d ago
These are pretty broad concepts anyway. It's a bit of a stretch to cry foul.
wheresmymonkey  +   887d ago
Is this guy Serious. Oh god this is retarded. This guy needs to get an education outside of Videogames.

Maybe Read Gullivers Travels.Someone should tell Johnathon Swift. No wait he's been dead for almost 200 years.

then again Hyao Myazaki and the folks at studio ghibli might want a word as well seeing as laputa aka castle in the sky also predates both Infinite and chrono trigger.
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chukamachine  +   887d ago
Seriously the guy has probably never touched chrono, I haven't.

They went with a world under the sea, but did not want to do that for a 3rd time, so the setting is a world in the sky. It's not ripoff.

Too much these days, does not matter in what way - people say it's ripped off.

Just because someone puts an idea out to the public first, does not mean they were the first to have the idea.

Light bulb rings a bell. Was invented years before Edison tried to patent it, but he was too late and it was already patented by a guy called Joseph swan a year earlier. And Edison was stripped of it.

But people today still think Edison invented it.
arronax-1  +   886d ago
Then why the hell are you bitching if you don't have anything to go on? Did you even read his article? He already explained one of the arcs.
ApolloTheBoss  +   887d ago
It's a little something called inspiration. New ideas come from old works. In a sense, There's really no such thing as originality.
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oof46  +   886d ago
This article is wrong on so many accounts. The main theme in Chrono Trigger is time travel. About being able to fix mistakes.

The main character picks up different people from the past, present and future to help fight Lavos, an alien who crash landed on earth and has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the Schala. The Songbird sees itself as Elizabeth's protector. In Chrono Trigger, Schala's mother forces her to use magic to try and steal Lavos' power.

There may be similarities here and there, but they are so inconsequential, to call it 'ripping off' is a farce. The author is forcing parallels where there are none.
RememberThe357  +   886d ago
This is real?

This ripped off Laputa more than Chrono Tigger.
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horne242  +   886d ago
'Chrono Tigger' made me chuckle. Winnie the Pooh needs a turn-based jrpg. Sorry, simple things and simple minds.
8bit_Nes_Rambo  +   886d ago
Pot calling the kettle black, right here folks.
KillrateOmega  +   886d ago
And this is why we can't have nice things
Someone always has to be that guy...
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e-p-ayeaH  +   886d ago
This is quite silly quit the act article makers and do something interesting next time.
Slysi  +   886d ago
@Masa2009, have to give you credit there m8.never looked at it like that,and your so right that when you do It's sounds so simple...
AronDeppert  +   886d ago
Steampunk rules!
Rupee  +   886d ago
gtfo... I don't want to live on this planet anymore. -_-
8bit_Nes_Rambo  +   886d ago
You're free to leave at anytime.
HonestDragon  +   886d ago
We always have to have that one guy who ruins everything for everyone. You know, the guy who talks during the movie. The guy who backseat games. The guy who sings obnoxiously to bad songs. The guy who over expresses his distaste for some food at a restaurant. Yeah, that's what this guy is.

Like it or not, there are many common ideas floating around when it comes to fiction. There will always be similar ideas and themes. The only way to truly make your story unique is by throwing something new into the mix. An element that other stories (to your knowledge) never had, while giving the story strong writing and good characters.

Plus, it's the experience that counts, not how a piece of fiction supposedly "ripped off" something that came before it. This guy is like that one author who claimed that Assassin's Creed copyright infringed on his book that he wrote many years before the series existed. Yet, even that author already had similar ideas to other previous works before him. This article proves to me that people are looking for any excuse to take a good thing and ruin it for everyone by saying, "Look at me! I have an opinion different from yours! I will annoyingly explain it, too!"
arsg  +   886d ago
That is true, Chrono Trigger was the first thing in the history of storytelling to have a floating city in it.
sychosis  +   886d ago
You forgot /sarcasm tag.
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KaBaW  +   886d ago
Awh, Chrono Trigger.. that's a good game. Can't wait to pick up Infinite, though!
Like many others said, it'll be difficult to find a game that doesn't copy in some way.
romancer  +   886d ago
Two thoughts:
What matters most is not who does something first, but who does it best.


Likenesses are great pitfalls; what may seem similar is not the same as...
it is the roughness of the eye, and the simplicity of the mind, that makes two
things seem alike.
look for the nuances, the subtle but significant differences...

The correct title of this article should be "How Bioshock Infinite ripped off one of the greatest games of all time and nobody BUT ME noticed!" It's all in the writer's mind.
Picnic  +   886d ago
I hate headlines like that 'and nobody noticed'.

The game was released yesterday. If anyone noticed they would have had to have had not only the time and the inclination to post their observations on forums but to have posted on a forum that the article writer happened to have seen.

For that gross assumption that 'nobody noticed' it deserves to be assumed that somebody did notice and the article then becomes more noticeably the ego trip that it probably is, regardless of what valid observations it might happen to make along the way.
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ziggurcat  +   886d ago
uh huh... so city in the sky automatically = chrono trigger rip-off. go **** yourselves.
-Gespenst-  +   886d ago
If I had to choose between the three Bioshock games so far and Chrono Trigger, I'd pick Chrono Trigger every time. The game is perfect.

I don't think Bioshock drew any influence from Chrono Trigger, but I suppose it may have drew influence from things which drew influence from Chrono Trigger hehe.

Also worth mentioning that there's an underwater city-ish thing in CT too- the Ocean Palace.
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