Vibox delve into Nvidia's recent outlandish statements about the PS4, question rhe next generation's impact on the future of PC gaming and wonder if it really is all about numbers and spec sheets.
Nvidia is slamming AMD, and PS4. Because they don't want people to be satisfied with PS4. Nvidia want people to build a gaming rig and put a titan in it,lol.
Agreed, when a company doesn't get their way, they usually trash it. I think if AMD do really well with the PS4 and Xbox, Nvidia would lose their spot in the Next-next-Gen consoles.
You know, they have been complaining too much about the PS4, so it really shows that they are butt hurt that Sony didn't kiss their butts and go with them...
Nvidia is on her period
They never had a spot in the next gen consoles anyway your much better off building a good spec pc with amd or nvidia regardless, the next gpus of these consoles will be low to mid end spec
There are no next-next-gen consoles. After this it's all cloud. And guess who has the largest upcoming cloud technology that everyone is using.... Nvidia! And mobile market is making 100x+ more money than consoles, and guess who's at the forefront of mobile computing.... Nvidia! Why would anyone worry about consoles? Nvidia doesn't even care much for pc gpus anymore. Now their focus is all on GRID and Tegra.
When did Nvidia slam anything?
Nvidia have no hope in the console market unless the console makers switch to arm. They can't make an integrated x86 CPU/GPU
@ginsunuva we really can't say for sure whether another box will be released next gen. we are all sure cloud gaming is the future, but how soon it comes depends isp companys. not just speed matters but also data caps. i do think you are right about next gen being mostly if not all about the cloud. which makes the up coming gen more important. MS and Sony will be pushing the cloud a lot, and whoever wins will already have a customer base for their future streaming gaming market place. not to mention if Steam gets involved. i'm unsure how involved with Nvidia any of these, or other big players are with each other. Qualcomm still dominates Tegra in Phones. though Nvidia has been doing well in tablets, they just lost the Nexus platform to Qualcomm. future is pretty unsure for them as of right now. why wouldn't Nvidia care about their GPU business? it still brings in 3-4x's the profit of their Tegra business. it would be crazy for them to just not care about most of their profits.
Wrong PS4 its very bad for dev its close system its bad for players too get pc and you have everyting.And there is only 10 000 nvidia titans made and they are already sold.
Having talented developers like NaughtyDog, SantaMonicaStudios, GuerillaGames to utilize the power to push the outdated hardware to its limit IS everything.
ginsunuva: For a company that doesn't care about console sure have lots to say about them. And putting the most powerful gpu mobile is big waste. Because no mobile developer is gonna use the full potential of it. Mobile developers only cares about making a game that can turn into a quick buck using microtransactions. They'll just make the game pretty using the gpu then use the most basic physics available then be done with it.
"There are no next-next-gen consoles. After this it's all cloud. And guess who has the largest upcoming cloud technology that everyone is using.... Nvidia!" which one is it? "upcoming" or "everyone IS using"? their grid system is promising but we are still not there yet, dude! "And mobile market is making 100x+ more money than consoles, and guess who's at the forefront of mobile computing.... Nvidia!" forefront? I'm pretty sure it's ARM not nVidia's Tegra and it's not going to change anytime soon as the 2 biggest mobile giants at the moment - Samsung and Apple both use ARM!
"your much better off building a good spec pc with amd or nvidia regardless," Yeah, so I can play games I don't much care about in high detail. Sounds amazing. smh
Titan is seriously one of the worst cards in terms of price/performance ratio.
The price looks fine IMO. It's the most powerful one to date, Nvidia can price it balls and no one can complain...Wait for competition to get there (what will take some time actually) and the price will drop beautifully ;)
that's a short sided view. the Titian is about having the top performer, not the best bang for the buck. lower powered cards tend to lead price/performance ratio, so if that is what you're looking at, the Titian, 680, 7970, or other top of the line cards won't be much interest to you.
Wow you said it exactly how it is!!!
Anyone would think Nvidia are buuthurt
Yeah Nvidia is buthurt, but AMD fights to stay alive. Funny how Sony boys twists, suddenly it's not about power. But in every other thread it is all about power and ram speed. Lol
@delboy - It's the anti-Sony crowd that are twisting this. Nvidia may or may not be butthurt, but they certainly give the impression that they are. If Nvidia really walked away from next gen consoles voluntarily, why bother making statements about their lack of power? They went out of their way to downplay the power of devices they supposedly have no interest in. At the very least it's classless and unprofessional, but it also gives the appearance of being butthurt whether they are or not.
You're right there, they must know Titan aint selling because it's of of hose massively overpriced and marginally better cards. For regular high end cards there's normally little difference between AMD and Nvidia.
LOL. They've been going on for about a week now. So butthurt from sony not using there equipment and what not. Ah well. :')
I think it's more like nvidia don't want the next direct X to go apu fully HSA because they don't make them or probably have any in development.
There just jealous are Nvidia .
I was long fan green team till AMD got better at there GPUs then I played with AMD cards since dx10 started. My last nvidia card was 560 nvidia is getting power hungury and money hungury while they have new tegra chis yes mobiles is a massive market. I feel there bitter about AMD supporting consoles and still producing low to high end desktop and server cards. To compete with Nvidia and now with AMD dabbling back into the Physix with tress Fx being first what I call test waters I think Nvidia shud start shutting there mouths get off there high horse. Like AMD You have desktop GPU you have mobile division with tegra now AMD has console market. I'm running a AMD desktop card not going back
NVIDIA is not only pissed about hardware. They probably proposed NVIDIA GRID to Sony before they bought Gaikai and Sony said no thanks.
They are sore because they missed the opportunity to be in the next gen of consoles. If they had taken a hit in pricing on their chips they would had gain so much more in PR and advertising...greedy morons.
It's just jealousy. I bet Nvidia have lost millions due to missing out on helping with the PS4. That's their own fault. As said before, Nvdia IS on her period; wait, that's an understatement.
Again with the stupidity. Nvidia haven't slammed anyone. It's titles and articles looking for hits. Fanboys are dumb enough to believe it. Maybe Nvidia should lie about the Ps4's power when they get asked about it right? Getting asked and then Stating how powerful the Ps4 is...is not slamming it. Ask anyone with a bit of knowledge of Hardware and they'll tell you the same thing Nvidia did. Are they trolls? Are they 'slamming it'? No. It's just stupid people thinking 'mid range'(low CPU/mid-high GPU) is somehow a bad thing
What's outlandish about what they said?
It's weighty for them to be outspoken in such a derogatory manner toward a recently announced machine. It's not surprising, but would they do better being more reserved? It sort of sounds like; 'Yeah well, we didn't even want your stupid contract anyway, because it's stupid. We'll make our own console, with blackjack... and hookers..' Not that global companies coming across as children is anything new either...
Well, LessThan2TFlops (you obvious troll, you), it's more the context. When they lost out on an important contract with a corporation that pushes several dozens of millions of pieces of hardware in a few years time with only small changes....they went to demeaning their competitor's work. They didn't go on about how "low end" their own console work was. But now that they've been squeezed out of the market for demanding too much of the pie...
"with blackjack....and hookers!!" greatest futarama quote to date.
This story has been blown waaaaaaay out of proportion.
Much like most of everything else. These articles remind me of The Gods of Olympus. Stop caring or believing them and they will go away, unnoticed.
People who had Shield in their hands say it's an ergonomic disaster.
You don't need to have it your hands to see it's an ergonomic disaster.
Nvidia is just pissed off that they lost the contract. I love intel/Nvidia but the tech comes at a price. Nvidia is not cheap so I'm glad they used amd
But is power everything? I think the answer, no. Look ps2, Wii, 3DS.
Power evolve gaming . But we simply can't offered that. It's that simple. There was a time when i couldn't offered the ps2 so it's the same with high end pc gaming. I don't like when people say we don't need more power like if the ps4 will last for years without the need for better tech. Ps4 will be powerful for 2 years and then it will be another ps3 but with more power. Developers will want better tech. It's not really limitless. Few games already use 6GB of ram in pc. When the ps4 release that will be normal to achieve and developers will want more. Can't wait for the ps4 though. It's gonna bring us one of the greatest games ever >.<. The last of us, Beyond:two souls are already evolving gaming so imagine what we will get in the ps4. It makes me scared T_T , lol...
Power evolve gaming, yes, first the graphics. Not always gameplay, design and story. Nice graphics cool thing, but is not everything.
Well. That depend on the developers. If whether they want to focus on gameplay or graphics or both together. But that's right. At first of each generation a lots of games focus on graphics to say the game they have more special. But more power means better gameplay too. Battlefield 4 and GT6 will prove that ^^ . Just imagine what naughty dog would do on ps4 >.<. I wish if they make jack 4. Vita will get the hd collection ^^ so maybe it's a sign lol . Jack4 will definitely be more about story and gameplay then graphics if it ever came out :)
this guys only make believe what pc gamers only play games to burns graphics cards and wow to the graphics.to me prety lame .
I'm a PC gamer and my favourite games are back at N64/PS2, you can't say that every PC gamer is a graphics fanatic. These people are everywhere.
Money is power and I'll be using my powers to buy a ps4 on launch day
LOL good one. As will I :)
Its just better for amd.
the question is did Nvidia force the ps3 price up too high?
i doubt that they where the biggest cause of the original price of the PS3 being so high. bluray and cell development was the cause of most of the cost. though i have heard that Nvidia did kind of take advantage of Sonys short sidedness. they had to pay a bit more for the GPU they bought because Sony was just planning on using the cell, but at the last minute they had to run to Nvidia for the GPU because the cell wasn't enough.
The price of the PS3 would have been the same. The story with Sony and Nvidia is that Sony approached Nvidia and requested a xenos shader model 4.0 type GPU for the PS3. Nvidia said they would do it, then retracted at the last minute and said "here you go", have this RSX instead. With nowhere to get a gpu at the last minute they bought the rights to produce RSX chips.Almost INSANTLY after Sony contracted an agreement on the RSX, Nvidia debuts a G80 gpu (which is exactly what Sony ordered to begin with).Nvidia BURNED Sony by giving them an inferior GPU AND charging them the same for it. Nvidia screwed themselves out of the contracts, not the other way around.
What Nvidia is saying is correct technically... irregardless it's still a jump up from current gen specs. The CPU their using may be comparable to something on the low end but it's more than adequate for a console and a lot easier to program for than the cell. Computer tech is on a different level than it was when 360 and PS3 were released so it would a cost a lot more to match what a high end rig is capable of. Unless your willing to spend $800+ on your consoles this time around I would just settle for what they've managed to put together which is a rather good deal. Right now PC games are based around their console counterparts... let me reword that... PC gaming is being limited by 6-7 year old tech which all of the engines have to cater too. To give you some examples BF3 on PC still has the same amount of destruction that the consoles are capable of, Farcry 3's AI is the same on 360 as it is on a $2500+ PC with dual 690's and a 3920x, and there are plenty of other things that are obvious as well but I'll spare you since this is turning into a wall o' text... Once that minimal bar is raised that the current consoles are holding on too then everyone will benefit.
This is exactly why I'm excited about the next-gen consoles. Consoles have been holding back game developers for a very long time now. No matter how much better graphical fidelity PC hardware gets you, the basic game was designed to run on an Xbox from 2005 with 512mb of ram. Skyrim looks much prettier on PC, yet people fail to realize is that its basic design was heavily limited from the start. It's not about the graphics this time, it's about everything else better hardware gives you. World detail and interaction being key. What's been possible with physics engines and what we've seen in games has not matched up thanks to outdated console hardware. PS4's specs are very encouraging imo. They hit about all the right areas to make the absolute most powerful PC gaming hardware you could in the console price range. It's nothing to brag about as a high end gaming rig but it's a dedicated system tailor made to be suited for gaming. And I think people are really underestimated the advantages of an APU with shared RAM for a dedicated game console. They're going to get a whole lot more out of PS4's specs than what appears to be much higher end hardware of today.
Here's the downside from the PC perspective....PC's are starting off much more powerful compared to consoles this generation compared to last generation. Which means as PC's continue to increase power, it'll take a shorter amount of time to be 'limited' by the specs of the consoles. Thus in 7-8 years if the PS4/720 are still the consoles being sold as the newest generation, then PC's will be held back massively more than this current generation. Of course there's always exceptions as some games are PC only, or start out on PC's then get ported...though some of them have become multiplatform (think Crysis on PC, then Crysis 2 and 3 becoming multiplatform on day 1) But all the consoles and PC's...yes that's including the Wii U, will have good games that are fun to play.
Caulkslap XD... creative. You got my point dead on. JMC8888... PC has always been stronger when it comes too resolutions and framerates. This gen is really limited by the ram so when you compare a game on PC to a game on 360 you automatically notice the difference in resolution along with higher quality textures on its pc counterpart. With the amount of ram being put into the newer consoles there won't be the same noticeable difference... next gen games will most likely be able to match the texture quality of PC's and if not there would be a negligible difference. PC's of course will take off into the 4K realm which would be comparable to the retina display on an Ipad. While it's looking like some of the Dev's are sticking with 720p at the moment that resolution also allows them to apply any form of MSAA, better lighting, and crazy amounts of eye candy which if they max out that gpu @ 720p it would take a PC a lot of power to play that at 1080p smoothly not to mention what it would require to play it at 4k resolutions.
totally agree until we see powerful PC desktop APU's sharing 8GDDR+ memory there will be no pc's to truly compere with the ps4. the ps4 and xbox 720 will be comparable with a mid/high desktop pc with consoles limited to 1080p 60fps for a few years then the ps4 and xbox 720 will hold back pc gaming once again with devs not willing to make a game based on high pc's. p.s cloud gaming is way off in a global respect
Really classy Nvidia!
@N0S3LFESTEEM Exactly. Bubble for you for being realistic. It's sad that people can't understand what you say though. Or maybe i'm stupid xD. Either way im happy for the ps4 and the pc.. We may not need the tech they are showing to us now but we will need it in the future. So no need to fight each other :P.
I agree that this has been blown out of all proportions but I believe there is more to this than meets the eye. Why would Nvidia even bother making the statement they did? Consider Gaikai and what it will offer and you have your answer IMO. Gaikai would enable ANY PC, regardless of which GPU it had, to play ANY PS3 game OR (if Sony chose to) ANY PC game. You would no longer require a powerful GPU. All you would need is an internet connection. This is what I believe Nvidia fear.
Isn't Gai'kai supposed to be powered by Nvidia grid though?
Not really. What they are using Gaikai to do with the PS4, is using Gaikai as a way to stream games in a way that means that you are downloading it in a different way that allows you to play the game as it's DOWNLOADING. Cloud gaming has significant hurdles and drawbacks, as well as rights/payments/availability issues. Both from the user and the provider end. I won't go into to it here, but the list is significant and hurdles at this point insurmountable. Not just technical, but the biggest factor is LEGALLY and its effects on the game suite available. (hint: you won't have access to thousands of games, you'll increasingly have access to a few similar games in a few different genres). If Gaikai was really going to do what you think it is, at least during THIS upcoming long console generation, why would Sony put out the specs it did, when to run gaikai they could have something about the cost of the Wii U to work.
guitar_nerd_23 IS RIGHT. http://www.nvidia.co.kr/con... Do you even google?
Loving reading these arguments back and forth between poverty gamers that can't afford both a PS3 and a PC. Desperately trying to prove the other wrong which platform is better. "but you have to derpa herp! spend thousands on PCs every year" False "Derp the PS3 has a herpa crap GPU" False the GPU for the PS3 has not been revealed.
I think you mean PS4, not PS3. Dumbass...
i trust in NVIDIA
The only thing I trust are my two German Shepherds.
Power is not everything. Fact is at the end of the day I'm going to play the same game on my console that someone with a high end PC will. A game like Bioshock is just as good on the PS3/360 as it is on a high end PC. The same can be said about an uninspired and boring game like The Walking Dead: Survival Instincts, it will remain boring and uninspired regarless of how "pretty" you try to make the graphics. NVIDIA may be right and the PS4 is outdated on its debut day, but it wont stop developers from making great and crappy games all the same.
@kingofsting, i would disagree, you are NOT playing the same game, you are playing a low-res, jaggie covered, slow/bad performing, screen tearing, sub-hd version.....basically you are playing what looks and runs like alpha code on a tv from 2003 from ign's bioshock infinate review; "It’s far from an ugly game (quite the opposite, really), but the low-quality textures, wooden NPCs (aside from Elizabeth), and occasional minor but noticeable framerate hitches are all maladies the first BioShock avoided. It seems Infinite’s stratospheric ambition is a bit too much, at least in the technology department, for the creaky hardware of the aging consoles. The PC version, as run on mid-range hardware, makes no such visual compromises, with gorgeous high-resolution textures, detailed faces, and smooth performance." and a high end pc can run the game in ways the ps4 never will 2560x1600 at 60 frames look unbelievably awesome, and the ps4 will never do it the ps4 is basically a mid-spec, 2 year old pc