Forbes - screengrab from the SDK for Microsoft’s next Xbox found by vgleaks.com recently reiterated something that we’ve heard a few times.
Damn, another article about Nextbox DOOM. Let it go already......we get it "Always on/Kinect Spy 2.0" sucks!
No! *waves hand* It's teh fuuuuuutuuuurre!
what about we wait untill MS confirm this ...MS can't be this stupid
What about... it was a joke. Either way, it's plausible they'd try it. We already see it in the PC world with many games requiring a net connection to play them. 360 did get hit hard by piracy last time. I knew several people who sold modded Xbox 360's.
It seems like there were ideas that sony got from the 360 to make the ps4 more developer friendly. And ideas that MS got from the PS3 to make the 720 more accessible. Meaning that the ps3 supports an always on,always connected state (even in standby it can be remotely awakened over the internet). The 360 doesnt have that but it could be something they add to the 720. The 360 was often claimed to be more developer friendly and so the ps4 will be taking that approach now as opposed to the custom design sony has always followed with the ps1, ps2 and ps3. I guess, since there is no official confirm or denial people must take the negative approach with MS. it wont matter what the official word is because they will have already made up their minds.
Sony got hit with the same rumors just before PS4's reveal. They dealt with them by just coming out and saying "Yes, it'll play used games.".
The issue isn't all the "If true, not buying" comments, its that if online is mandatory, absolutely required to use the console, people without online access will be excluded from using it even if they buy it. If current gen only half of all systems are online, with half again paying XBL gold users, then that's half of the potential user base either gone, or bit*hing about not being able to use what they bought. Having to go to the additional expense of getting online if they even can get it. All the people saying they don't mind or it doesn't effect them don't get what's on. Then again, if MS is going to offer Xbox3 as a cable box, the issue technically goes away.
You're worrying about people without Internet and then say that cable will be a solution? Cable offer makes the target market of Nextbox US only, maybe UK too. How much install base can it give, half of what they got with X360? 60%? Also deduct people who don't want a subscription, then those who aren't interested in Kinect and 1 day prices for games and you may end up with 30-40% of today's target.
Cable/internet providers. If MS is going to push Xbox3 as a cable box, they'll then likely offer it with package deals through cable providers with an internet subscription thrown in. And yes, while such would limit it to certain regions, MS's thinking might be that at the same time they'll have a lager base than just gamers to work with. People who'll want it for any DVR functions it might have and because its new. The next Wii where the WiiU failed to be the next Wii. Basically, MS might be thinking that they can actively exclude part of their current install base, whole countries, because they'll be appealing to more people in the countries they're in. I really think at this point its not about games with them anymore, but subscriptions. That paid services have become their primary focus because its easier/cheaper than game development. That MS is never more happier than when they just sit back as money rolls in with little to no effort. They haven't forgotten about games, they're just not major priority. Emphasis on major. Edit; May as well make this longer with an example: Current Box 360/Xbox2 global user base = 70 million. Systems online if half = 35 million. Systems using XBL Gold if half = 16.5 million. If Xbox3 is cable/internet box potential user base in US alone = 50-70 million. Systems online = 50-70 million/100%. Paid XBL subscriptions = 50-70 million/100% Systems actually used for hardcore gaming = 10-20 million/less than 10% MS ability not to care about other markets, let them come to them = 100% Chances of MS handing off all game development over to 3rd parties = 80-95% (Still make Halo).
If paying for online play was a mistake, then always online is also a mistake. The majority doesn't care, and M$ will rule in USA, no matter what. Anyway, they will wrap things up so that you will want to be always online, believe me.
people are some true idiots if they believe Microsoft will alienate the next xbox to consumers with broadband connections 'only'. I don't see the problem with this here. Don't want it connect, unplug your internet. I'm sure there will even be a setting to do that. Don't want it on, turn it off with a complete shut down. DRM, unless you pirate and steal your games - who cares? The only thing of worry should be whether or not they truly plan to block used games. Other than that, what's the big problem? If someone could explain it to me, I'd appreciate it.
If this is true, then its going to be again just like PS2 dominated over Nintendo and Microsoft. There is no way that Wii U is winning next gen, its already over for Nintendo. Well, if thuse things are true about Microsoft, then Sony has clearly won next gen.
If this is true, I will not be purchasing the new Xbox! I have been a faithful Xbox owner since the original one came out. I can't see any good reason for them to do this. Sometimes my internet goes out due to routine maintenance by my provider, or just because they happen to have an outage. Am I supposed to just not play my games? What next, are they going to make Xbox live gold mandatory?!?!?! When I first heard this rumor, I thought it sounds too ridiculous to be true, but now that I am hearing it over and over, it seems like it is indeed going to be the way it is. That is just not acceptable to me. I want a choice. I don't want to have to always be online, I don't want to fill up my hard drive with full game loads. Sorry Microsoft, if this is true, you will lose this faithful customer of over 11 years!
"I don't want to have to always be online," Then unplug it. You are totally misunderstanding what always connected means.
And you are misunderstanding his comment. if We learned anything from the simcity situation that always online is horrible if handled poorly, im sure microsoft will attempt to handle this as best they can if they do go through with it. But his concerns are justified if previous games trying to go always online are the only Things to go by.
Yes your comparing one flawed game to a company that has led with a service going on for twelve years now.
@mustang i said if those games were the only things to go by, which they are as i dont recall there ever being a console requiring online all The time. i also stated that i believe ms would try to handle this the best they can. If they go through with it.
Yawn, not another one of these articles. LOL. smh
Unfortunately the longer MS keepts tight lipped on what the actual truth is, every Tom, Dick and Harry site is going to write an article claiming the rumors as facts and giving their 2 cents worth of an opinion. MS will be waiting most likely to E3 until they reveal the 720 and until then expect nothing but positive PS4 articles and negative 720 articles. It's all the gaming media have to go on at the moment. Just another 3 more months of this.... :(
Still getting it , don't care .
it's not smart to judge a unannounced system based on rumors. Just wait for the official announcement.
DON'Y BUY IT PEOPLE!
BUY WHAT???? THERE ISN'T EVEN ANYTHING ANNOUNCED TO BUY! see...I can type in caps too!
People.. I understand the implications here.. but we cannot speculate without getting the details first. Sony's console is always on and always connected and that's a good thing for service and convenience. We're just assuming that MS' version means it's mandatory to use the console. It may very well be.. but let's wait a few more weeks before losing our shit about it. I personally cannot imagine a scenario where the console will require a connection to be used at all. I just don't buy it.
Screen says that it could always be left on... not that it is always on or has to be left on. 2 reasons for this: So people can turn the console on/off via Kinect and downloads/updates will happen when you're not using it... so you don't have to wait when you actually want to use the console.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Just like a PC you can leave it on, ala "sleep state/hibernation" and when you want to use it just a click or touch of mouse, "Waving/saying something to Kinect" for nextbox..makes sense.
Pretty much. Almost makes you wonder if people that run all of these sites have issues understanding what they are reading, or if they are just using wild speculation for hits.
They have announced no new IPs anyway, all they have is SPORTZ, kinect and the Halo campaign. They really need to announce something spectacular which is an exclusive to get me interested in this system.
I think people are taking the information provided and going way too far with it. In my mind this means that, while you can use it with a connection, having it always connected will probably make the experience better. If all games are mandatory installs as previous rumors suggest, then imagine this. An update for a game is released, your xbox automatically downloads it in standby mode, patches your game, and when you start you just get a pop up explaining changes. That would be brilliant, considering the sheer amount of updates we go through now, and that's likely to increase. If the xbox can do all of that boring background stuff while your away, it will definitely add to my decision making of which console I buy first. I assume it'll take further the system where you can buy a game at work on a pc, and it'll download ready to play when your home. What Id love it a smartphone app that let me manage this all whilst I'm away. download any films I want, games, patches, maybe a friend has some new maps and i want them to to join in later? Its all ready when you get home. Sounds like the next logical step forwards to me.
Yeah, this is the most likely scenario, and the PS4 will do something similar. The theme of this next generation will be about connected experiences for both platform providers, and making the experience more immediate for the consumer. Phones, tablets, and pc's all connected to your specific platform's network (Live or PSN) in some way in order to provide ease of access from anywhere. Definitely a cool next step that we have seen bits and pieces of progression for in this current generation. This generation has been the foundation for a lot of what we will be seeing more of.
hey people are dumb enough to pay for xbox live, i don't see how this would be a problem?
Of course it can't be 'Always On, Always Connected'. Not everyone has the internet.
I think the question everyone wants to know but nobody seems to be asking is....does it play games offline? I mean think about it... Steam in its premise is an always connected service but it does have provisions for offline play. The majority of people freaking out about the "always on / connected" rumor really just want to know.... will it play games offline. I don't give a rats ass about always on or always connected...I do want to know about offline play. And nothing we have seen in rumors addresses if the box will or wont allow offline play.
it probably will, but expect a check in every now and then.
And the problem is that too many places are assuming that it won't instead of wondering if it won't. I think that once we have an official announcement, people will find that it wasn't as serious as they all believed it will be.
This is the stuff that happens when the suits are given too much control in the Xbox division. They are blinded by greed and make stupid choices that ruin the brand.
Well if it's on the Internets it must be true! I guess we are to the point where we're willing to believe something because we are afraid it might be true, or in the case for the majority of N4G, they want it to be true. I think we are progressing towards an always online future, I just want the chance to be able to play games if my internet is down. We don't know any facts, all this speculation is ridiculous, even if some documents from early in 2012 were accurate, a lot can change, especially something small like blocking used games or always online. All this always on talk got me wondering about the PS4, they mention that it's always on, not sure they ever confirmed being able to play offline? Maybe someone can link me, I watched the show again and never heard anything about it.
Dunno about you, but I've had broadband for many many years & it's been down for an hour once in all those years. It's typical N4G crap. Your mobile is always on, & if your network goes down your stuck, but it's not long before its up & running. All these fools go on about not wanting to be always on, yet everyone's on the PSN or XBL stores & checking their friends list as soon as they turn on their consoles, so I can't really see the problem, on hang on I can, it's because it's Microsoft. And for those who say they don't have Internet, well your not gonna get much out of the PS4 either then are you, no updates no firmware no demos no patches, get a grip people.
Not going to happen, it was an old build of Durango and I'm sure they were just testing and trying all possibilities, but with both Sony and Nintendo having an offline, and that the majority of the world attacks online only, unless its MMO (check Diablo III and SimCity) and DRM with online Checks are garbage (Ubisoft DRM failure), they would have changed it to something else for the final product. Remember when the PS4 was said to not play used games before its reveal?
Glad to see a Xbox doom article finally. There's always Nintendo and Sony doom articles so this is a nice change.
who is happy to see a doom article -_-
If the always on and connected is only to help with constant downloads and updates plus other plus points mentioned in another article then I have no problem with this. If it means blocking used games including game rentals from Gamefly which i use for 98.99% of my gaming then DEAL OFF!
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