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New ‘always on, always connected’ Durango SDK leak is real

EDGE - Fresh documents posted on vgleaks.com related to the next Xbox are real, our source has confirmed.

Our insider described the screengrabs from the Durango SDK on vgleaks.com as “entirely legitimate”, although they contain much of the same information we revealed on February 6th, and were circulated to developers working with the console last year.

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Septic1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

Oh dear. Edge were pretty much spot on with their sources as far as the PS3 was concerned so we have to give them credit here too.

"With this “Always On, Always Connected” design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install games"

Is that really the benefit of this design? The PS4 doesn't require you to be always on, always connected and still manages to achieve (according to what was shown) what was elucidated above.

But this did make me realise one thing; my hardware is already always on as it is; my smartphone is connected either via 3G or WiFi, my 360 and PS3 auto-sign in as soon as I turn them on, same goes for my PC.

So as far as this always on business is concerned, the only real issue is making sure I don't watch porn or prance around in my room dancing to Tom Jones like Carlton from Fresh Prince of Bel Air if my 720 is located there in case MS are watching me.

DragonKnight1612d ago

There's a difference between you choosing to have something always-on and someone exercising DRM by forcing always-on. Always-on is always going to be a bad decision because there is no such thing as a constantly stable network that never has down time.

If always-on goes to consoles, imagine what network maintenance would be like. Not only would you not be able to play the online component of games, you likely wouldn't be able to play games at all.

Dlacy13g1612d ago

My DVR is always on...and unless the power goes down it is always connected. I turn my TV on and bingo...I have tons of channels to surf or access their on demand content.

The reality of always on, always connected is going to be very different than what most of the conspiracy people here think.

Septic1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

Yeah I'm not liking the sound of this at all. DRM strikes at heart of player freedom and forcing this down our throats is going to be met by a lot of resistance by 'core gamers' (boy do I hate that term), if that is the case.

Also, you're right about the network maintenance side of things; how is that even going to work? I live in London and even then, I can foresee a lot of problems with it but what about my relatives and friends in countries where the online infrastructures are no where near as advanced?

To be honest, we still don't know exactly how it operates so we should give MS the benefit of the doubt seeing as this is still officially a rumour and we have very little info as to how this would even operate (if it exists). But I think we can all agree- this sort of move to have a quasi-DRM model just isn't what we need.

darthv721612d ago

equals no different than any other electronic device. My cable box is always on even when I turn it off. It still is on low power and can do the dvr stuff in the background.

Always connected equals no different than any other smart enabled device like a phone or pc and game consoles we have now. If you are hooked to the internet, you are pretty much always connected.

BlindGuardian1612d ago

can you all take a deep breath and read carefully for a moment

the article doesn't say anything about used games and certainly "always on always conencted" doesn't mean no used games, but the mandatory HDD installs and no gameplay from the discs DOES

DragonKnight1612d ago

If it's always-on in the cable box sense, then cool. If it's always-on in the SimCity sense, then MS are going to suffer. It definitely is too early to say for sure, but can anyone say with 100% total certainty that MS are above the SimCity style of always-on for a console?

xxLuckyStrike1612d ago

Failed to mention the first thing the document said is its "subject to change"

gaffyh1612d ago

@darth - Almost definitely they mean "Always on" in the sense that there will always be a connection to MS' server. Which would mean DRM, which would mean problems.

Just look at SimCity. \thread

darthv721612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

how do you determine that?

always on and always connected are two different phrases. one does not equal the other. if they did then there would only be the one phrase.

I would think always on means what it says. Just like how my ps3 is always on unless I physically turn the main switch off on the back or unplug it. but if i did that, then i would not be able to connect to it over the internet.

And for that to happen my ps3 is always connected. Im know its a play on words but we really know nothing of what the words mean. We only have an implied meaning.

edit: we cant take the "literal" meaning of the terms "always on / always connected". We have to look at the figurative meanings. Because we cant predict when or where there will be power loss or signal disruptions.

the figurative meaning implies that the system will basically be available when you want it. Now seeing as MS does not have a dedicated handheld gaming device for remote play, they could be working on an xbox anywhere app that allows you to connect to your xbox from a pc or smartphone or tablet...anywhere / anytime as long as the device you are using is connected to the internet.

Like a beefed up version of smart glass but not being right next to the system as a second screen. This is all just hypothetical in a sense. I'm not saying this is EXACTLY what they are doing.

But too many are taking the literal approach to the terms when we really know NOTHING to the extent of what MS intends to do. Hell....we dont even have an official reveal for crap sake.

HammadTheBeast1612d ago

@BlindGuardian Good point. Overall, this has me confused, concerned, and bemused. And slightly amused.

Guess it's PS4 for me.

Outside_ofthe_Box1612d ago

So the next Xbox won't *require* internet connection to function that's good to hear.

The main concern now is used games...

***"It does reveal, however, that all games on Blu-Ray will be installed onto the console’s hard drive, and that play from the optical disc will not be supported"***

This doesn't sound assuring at all. Seems like the disc becomes useless after the game is installed. I hope I'm interpreting this wrong.

xursz1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

This is crazy. I won't throw names but I remember the same people who were saying "watch when the PS4 shoves DRM down our throat fanboys are going to bend over and accept it." Now these same people flip-flopped to supporting it. **facepalm**

Always connected DRM is nonsense no matter how you spin it. Period. As Septic mentioned, all these 'benefits' outlined have already been brought up with the PS4 so these 'benefits' are nothing but excuses.

That said, I'll take this as rumor until its confirmed.

Army_of_Darkness1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

I can't imagine how much the RROD#2 is gonna increase with xbox 720 when it's gonna be "always on"! ;-)

Lvl_up_gamer1612d ago

Always on doesn't bother me. All my devices that use internet are all always on. My cable box is always on even when i turn it off.

I have no problem. I still have yet to see where the issue is. People in here think that because there is an issue with internet connectivity suddenly you won't be able to play. If MS are planning the 720 to be all in 1 device I am sure they have already thought about connectivity issues.

inveni01612d ago

No. Your DVR is not always on. The machine may be, but the service isn't. Have you never called your cable/satellite provider and said, "I have no signal!" And they say, "Technicians are already working on the issue."

THAT'S the problem. Paying for a service and not being able to use it at the fault (or responsibility) of the service provider.

guitarded771612d ago

Ugh... we apparently will have to install the game to the hard drive, and the games will not be played from disc, just HD. MS will probably make us buy their licensed hard drives, so this is just out of control.

SilentNegotiator1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

@Dlacy13g
So you have no idea what the difference between cable television and internet is, then? No wait, you didn't even compare those...you compared your DVR being on to internet reliability COMBINED WITH network reliability. -_-

@Lvl_up_gamer
You have no problem with always on, now that it appears the next Xbox has it? Shocker. /s

To be fair, this is really just a rumor. An "insider source confirmation" does not proof make, no matter how often EDGE has gotten rumors correct.

kevnb1612d ago

well it was only a matter of time. The ps4 will end up similar as its up to the publishers.

xursz1612d ago

Jack Tretton confirmed you can play the PS4 without connecting to the internet.

If EA starts attaching DRM nonsense to PS4 games it's on them.

RememberThe3571612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

"Always on, always connected" means that the games can only run if your connect to their network, and that is the problem. It's not ambiguous like your trying to make it sound. If only calling it "always connected" works better for you then good, but there's not point in requiring game installs on consoles unless your implementing DRM. Now, we can pretend we don't know what this means or we can make the logical connections.

I hope your right though and they've learned their lesson from Office, but at the very least it's looking like DRM is going to be pushed with this next Xbox. And we have every right to have a problem with that.

TemplarDante1612d ago

Its almost like Microsoft is giving the middle finger to most people outside of the United States to be honest. In all honesty, its doubtful to servers and network you would be connected to are localised for every country that supports XBL..
Ive had many Disconnects over XBL in the past, imagine playing a game, it dc's and it exits the game after a certain amount of minutes a la' Sim City.

_-EDMIX-_1611d ago

Agreed! What most are not really understanding is that most people don't just own internet. This move could actually destroy MS's next system if true. I really don't see people flocking to a system they have to pretty much ALWAYS have a internet connection to. There has been many times where my internet was down and I had nothing to do but catch up on some games.

What if you take it out to a remote place with no internet? What about developing countries with limited internet? What about families that don't even have internet?

So PS4 (everyone and anyone can own it)

720 (only if you have internet)

So...MS pretty much made there death bed. LOL! I see this going really bad.

Dee_911611d ago (Edited 1611d ago )

(0_o)
Hopefully if this news gets enough hate MS has enough time to change it.
I think this is horrible and I personally dont see any benefits.Stop trying to be so innovative and build on what you have already jeez. we all cant be benjamin franklin
Not just the always on but the installing games onto the HD bit too.
Its so funny they try to put a spin on it to make it sound like its a good thing but in reality its to make more money.
I dont usually type this but it is necessary right here.
M$
Like really can someone tell me the benefit of any of this? Not those cookie cutter PR responses we get from MS.Because I must not fully understand this. I dont know.. guess Il have to wait and see

TheRealSpy1611d ago (Edited 1611d ago )

So much complaining and speculation about a rumor. We aren't far away from the official announcement. Just relax!

BTW, since we're all speculating anyway, did it ever occur to anyone that there will be multiple versions of the console? MS already showed an interest in doing a subscription based version of 360. Maybe the always on feature is limited to people who opt for the 99 dollar console but have to agree to a 2 year Live subscription.

sinjonezp1611d ago

Very good points and more questions are raised in contrast to ones being answered. In the United States 77% of all people are connected to the internet. While this provides a positive figure to promote a product that is always connected, server capability is an issue. Additionally will Microsoft charge consumers like last generation after buying the box? What about Americans and people around the globe who do not have internet access. Only slightly over 30% of the world is connected. Not only are Microsoft alienating possible customers, they are also creating doubt; people wondering if this is due to DRM measures or verifying owners? Microsoft should consider further research before they institute this type of strategy. Consumers do not want an environment where they feel like they are controlled; Especially if you paying a premium for the product and service.

nukeitall1611d ago (Edited 1611d ago )

Actually, I think people are mis-interpreting this.

Always on, always connected doesn't mean DRM necessary. From what I gather it means even when the console is "considered" off to most people, it is in a lower power state that is "always on" and still connected to the internet.

It doesn't say, it has to be connected, nor does it say DRM that requires you to be constantly connected.

My guess is that is a marketing tag line that has been incorrectly interpreted by the gaming media.

Of course MS knows there are going to be ISP outages or any number of problems along the way with internet connection.

If you thought of it, don't you think a corporation with educated people haven't thought of it?

Psn8001611d ago

Totally agree with you , you can't implement the gamer to leave his or her games console on all the things the op mentioned not only that with fuel prices going through the roof this is a really bad idea .

Omegasyde1611d ago

***To all the responses stating always on isn't bad and comparing to a cable box****

From this generation of games, most gamers have determined that the launch week of popular online games always have kinks to be ironed out especially if the developer underestimate the servers required(COD for example). You also have to factor in if there is a problem with netcode such as NATing or if a server is hacked.

If you have an always-on requirement, users might be affected by this by not even being able to play the game at launch (even single player). If the leaks lead to "always on" having your system connect to a dedicated XBL system then the situation is different. You also might be screwed by auto-patch updates that might cause more problems (i.e. Bethesda games lol).

But even then if a group of hackers say...anonymous, hacks MS servers, this means the system is completely unplayable unless MS has some redundancy plan (which would cost millions).

The real benefit I see coming from this, is licensing. If I lose or scratch a disc, I am sure MS would let me download the entire game at no extra charge or a small fee.

In the end, it is a catch 22. It also limits hardware sales for areas without broadband connections since there is no confirmed "off-line" mode. Then again as a incentive to entice more buyers, MS *might* make basic online play free.

DVRs and cable boxes are different since you only are using one connection to your TV providers Central Office and uploaded information is almost irrelevant.

Online games require constant data uploaded/downloaded at all times via UDP sessions.

Winter47th1611d ago

"New ‘always on, always connected’ Durango SDK leak is real"

And this was the day I decided to go PC/PS4 for the next generation.

nypifisel1611d ago

I'm not sure there's any benefit for Microsoft to have DRM seeing how piracy and so on isn't such a big problem on the consoles, only use it could have is for blocking used games I guess.

liquidhalos1611d ago

You make a good point about network stability. In September last year our landlord converted his house (which is located under our flat) into new flats and it caused terrible problems with our phoneline. It was down for almost 2 weeks and when it did come back up the builders always seemed to find a way to knock it back out again. We had on and off problems until building was finished in February. Now im asuming that had i have had a 720 i wouldnt have been able to play any of the games id already paid for?

That kind of bums me out, my 360 is my favorite console and i was planning on getting a 720 because i naturally wanted to port my live account as ive had it so long.

Im sure this wont be a disaster for microsoft but it sure is a little disaster for me and my gaming world.

JeffGUNZ1611d ago

It's pretty clear in this article what I was saying all along. "Always on, Always Connected" doesn't mean you have to have internet to play a single player game. It means the system will basically be in a standby mode. It will also download updates to games or system updates while you're at work or what not. It seems to be more of a benefit if you have internet, but no where have I read that you NEED an internet connection to play a single player game.