Let’s analyse Kojima’s Fox Engine - Looks (almost) like real life in new PS4 screenshot

Konami will be using the Fox Engine for PES 2014 and this new photo comparison shows the engine in action. To the right is a photo and left is a screenshot from Fox Engine. You can still see some apparent distinguishing features that gives the illusion away.

[NastyLeftHook0]

ps4 is going to be the greatest console ever made.

[Makasu]

At least the PS4 won't have the up hill battle of almost all developers hating the console this next generation!

[Hydrolex]

"PS4 is going to be the greatest console ever made."

don't let excitement makes you say stupid things...

because PS5 will be better than PS4

[newmonday]

Eat your heart out David Cage!

[Ezz2013]

ok someone point me to which half of that photo is the real human and which half is the video game model

because I swear I can't tell

[newmonday]

@Ezz2013

the upper half :p

[phallusitator]

@Ezz2013

After you actually look at the pic in the article you'll be able to tell. Hint: The real one doesn't have lines covering it.

[newmonday]

mix this up with with the face motion capture of LA Noir

[Shadow Flare]

What the heck....i was looking at the picture for a full minute, thinking how good the fox engine looked but how it had some giveaways against the photo. Until I looked at the pictures tag line and realised the "fox engine" I was looking at WAS the photo and the one I thought was the photo was the fox engine

Flippin heck

[Grap]

Ezz2013
well definitely real life doesn't have pointy edges.

[knowyourstuff]

@ Hydrolex ^
I agree that the PS4 will be the best one made THUS FAR, obviously anything after it like PS5 will be better.

[Vegetom]

This engine is multiplatform, you know that right? Or is this just a random fanboy reaction from you?

[R_aVe_N]

It is called excitement for his prefered console big difference.... No need to bring fanboyism into it at all its not he said the next Xbox would suck.

[Rainstorm81]

Uh...abs

Gears runs on the unreal engine..........O_O

[Vegetom]

So R_aVe_N, it's ok if everyone just post comments like "ps4/xbox 720 is the best console ever" below every article, without any arguments? He doesn't even know what the next Xbox will bring..

[shadowgeist00]

We don't know if its multiplatform or not so stop speculating.

[user7693958]

it seams like it..
PES14 will be the best Soccer/futbol game ever created!
I'm ready and i hope PES14 launch with the PS4!

[Erudito87]

my money says it will be beaten by ps5

[Parallax_Films]

I have a good feeling about this coming gen. Hopefully it surpasses the N64 - PS1 days. That was a great generation.

[pissed999]

Pc's still better... so it doesn't really matter.

[nosferatuzodd]

Yeah we all know pc is better master pc race or what ever you guys call you're self, but graphics doesn't mean anything if all you have is boring games to play all day.
I have a gaming rig and i still of to comeback and play god of war or gears of war even the new Supermario U is more fun to play than those boring graphics games graphics so sharp it cut you're eyes you elitist love so much

[AnimeAvenger]

@nosferatuzodd

"...boring games to play all day." Yeah I highly doubt you play any PC games to make a statement like that.

[lopez_josue]

@nosferatuzodd, sorry if you only enjoy easy simple games, but some people actually like some complexcity and challenge in their games.

[ATi_Elite]

remember that little game back in 2004 that started all this real time facial expressions and realistic facial emotions in Gaming that has lead to this picture and all the wonderful work in L.A.Noir and it's Facial Graphics.

Man what was the name of that little game? Life, Half, oh Half Life 2!

[NeoTribe]

Half life 2 did nothing for anything. Lol you pc people keep usin that 20 year old ancient game like a life line. Half life sucks and looks like crap. Fact.

[meetajhu]

Omg

[Ezio2048]

Swear...! I have been impressed already by Crytek and Quantic Dream in Cryis 3 and Heavy Rain respectively but still, the rendering is unbelievable even at the early stage development! O_o

Looking forward to you, PS4!! :D

[brich233]

They need to work on the hair and the ear, and eyes a bit. But otherwise , Lips ,Nose, eyebrow, Skin Color and texture looks like its real life counterpart.

[DigitalSmoke]

You're missing the point.

[sprinterboy]

agreed, you can clearly tell which is photo and graphics model, looks very impressive though but lets not get all bent

[pedroyamato]

Ok, where is the game?

[abzdine]

PS4 has some nice arguments under the hood! and when i think this is only the beginning!

[bayonetta]

GDC almost there =D 25 - 29

[tarbis]

That looks real good. Can't wait for GDC.

[falcon79]

Ill wait for RetroStudio's GameEngine as Nintendo got them to make a powerful Engine to rival Unreal ect,when they show their engine people will gasp they will be watching all these Engines and with there extreme talent with graphics they just havn't had the pleasure of a powerful console im looking foward to their ENGINE to be honest.

Retro has received a Wii U development kit, and is reportedly working on "a project everyone wants us to do."[40] Miyamoto has said he would like to work with Retro in a Legend of Zelda game, however he says that the current game Retro is working on is not Zelda. [41] It is known that Retro has hired staff members from Naughty Dog, well known for creating the Uncharted series, id Software, and Vigil Games, known for creating the Darksiders series.[42] At E3 2012, Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Amie told IGN in an interview that Retro is currently "hard at work" on an untitled project for the Wii U.[43] It's been confirmed on Retro's Facebook page that the studio had moved from their original location to a new location still in Austin, Texas.
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So Retro/Nintendo have hired most of the best experience in graphics,the guy behind the CryEngine2 and these guys above Nintendo mean business this is all to do with creating an amazing GameEngine.

[Bathyj]

But its still on WiiU right?

[falcon79]

WiiU can run this easy end of but after we see Retro studio's engine we won't care,that engine is being used to help 3rd party get huge power out of wiiu.

[bratman]

Yeah.... but its still on the WiiU right? :D

[CaulkSlap]

You could make a game engine that optimizes the PS2 to its absolute fullest potential and no one would care because it still looks like crap compared to modern standards.

WiiU has the same problem as the Wii. 5 year old hardware is not going to impress anyone graphically no matter how much effort you put into developing on it.

Nintendo left themselves out of all next-gen multiplats again by going cheap/greedy on the overpriced ancient hardware. Without a successful gimmick this time around it's just going to bite them in the ass.

[MasterCornholio]

If your hoping that the Wii U has enough power to be comparable to the PS4 you will be severely dissapointed.

Just accept the fact that the Wii U is just like the Wii in that its underpowered in comparison to other next gen consoles. So far developers have been praising the PS4 through the roof and they are claiming that its an extremely powerful platform to develop games on. So far i havent seen this reaction from many people developing games on the Wii U instead ive seen complaints about the ram, processor and GPU.

But lets drop the power of the hardware for a minute and concentrate on the main feature of the Wii U. The main feature of the Wii U is the controls just like the Wii. Which means that the Wii U should have some games with very innovative gameplay like the Wii. This is the main selling point of the console but Nintendo fans say that the controller doesnt matter and that the most important aspect of the Wii U is the graphics that it produces.

[khowat]

Don't forget complaints about the cpu

the wii u is cool because it can do stuff other consoles just can't

[falcon79]

Retro studios GameEngine will utterly destroy this you heard it here 1st,dont forget they employed graphics experts from Virgil,Crytek,Naughty dog,and more.

[younghavok]

what does this have to do with the article at all? Did I miss somebody bring up Wii U in the comments above? Or is this an attempt to start a fight by mentioning the Wii U in a thread not about it at all

[ImpliedDeception]

My god... So which do you work for, Nintendo, Retro, or a below average PR firm?

No actual human-being could possibly be so interested that, as to post it on a totally unrelated post.

[Felonycarclub8]

Crazy how far we have come in gaming, I still remember playing pong when I was little in a black and white tv.

[Bathyj]

I used to freak out at the detail of the loading screens on Commodore 64 games.

[kingPoS]

I remember when tv's didn't have coaxial, they UHF, VHF and screws instead.

It's what I had to work with way back then. Radio Shack was a lifesaver. lol

[Bathyj]

Ha. I had that. Only the antenna was broken and we had a coathanger.

Plus a butterknife to pull the on/off volume switch out cos the button had snapped off.

And it was....DUN DUN DAAAAA BLACK AND WHITE !!

[CalvinKlein]

I had one of those old TVs as the first tv my parents ever gave me and I could finally set up all my games in my room, it was great. I didnt watch any tv on it just hooked up one of those adapters and then my n64 and ps1, and later my dreamcast. It was my video game shrine, I kept them all lined up nest to each other, cleaned them all the time and all my games were neatly in the drawer....what happened!!@@#!#!

[ATi_Elite]

I remember when we didn't have video games and we just went outside and played on pretty green grass, climbed tall trees, catch insects, make stuff outta old cardboard boxes, run around in the forest, and use to lay on hills at night watch the stars.

Those were the good ole days.

[WitWolfy]

Still a good comparison.. But how would it look like in motion side by side?

[coolmast3r]

good. very good.

[coolmast3r]

This is what I've been waitng for a long time. Near-photorealistic graphics as a standart on a gaming console.

[Bathyj]

Pfft, real life doesnt even have a wireframe.

[Shadow Flare]

Real life doesn't have 8gb GDDR5 ram. Real life sucks

[Scenarist]

looks great ...however.. it has no subsurface scattering
and its not rendering individual hair

[ANIALATOR136]

I wondet how Fifa games will compete with this. Fifa graphics have clearly looked worse to PES games this gen but gameplay on FIFA has been more fun

[user7693958]

you did not play PES13 then .. FIFA is not more fun any more.
PES13 has the best mix of a fun! simulator.
Fifa is for teens or those who don't know about the sport much, american and england is where fifa sales and their perspective on futbol is poor.
anyways PES14 is a new gen a new beginning and it will set a new first impression, Fifa won that on this current gen, let's wait and see who does it this time..

[ANIALATOR136]

actually the UK is big on football and know their football well but they dont know their games and consoles well. And prefer social aspects and real teams etc which is why they choose fifa

[jacksheen0000]

The fact that most developer have made their own game engine this GEN means that the games themselves will have their own trademark look & feel from one game engine to the next.

I can't stress it enough how many game I've played last GEN that felt like the unreal engine no matter which DEV produced the game.

The diversity of game engine themselves will open a door way for different gaming experience which will give game players the joy and happiness only a true gamer could ever hope for.

Can't wait to get my hands on a PS4.

[Sevir]

There are more engines in development now
But the vast majority of third party are going to licesnce the UE4, there are already a large number of Next gen Games using that.

Still It's nice to know,

Ubisoft is using AnvilNext and Watchdog's Reflection engine.

Square has Luminous Engine

capcom - Patna Rhei/MTF-next

Konami - FoxEngine

EA - Frostbite 2.5

Crytek - CryEngine 3.

while everyone in Sony's stable has new engines.

I think independent 3rd party Developers like Mercury Steam, Deep Silver, Gearbox, Ninja Theory and the like will all use UE4.

But this gen should see a whole new breathe of games with more individuality than this gen predominantly ran by UE3.

[Makasu]

True, but depends what you count as "third party", most Sony "second party" studios also have their own engines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[jacksheen0000]

I agree, UE4 will be widely used by most independent 3rd party Developers.

But, it's nice to know that most Dev can now finally give their own interpretation visually & gaming wise.

UE4 is a great engine but at time it can be a bit too disguisable from one game to the next.

I look forward to what all these game engine will bring this GEN.

edit: meant to say unreal engine 3

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

only used to render a face and nothing else?, of course it will look good,

[Makasu]

Although you have to consider that this might be a model for PES 2014, where the players on the pitch are very small, and for that purpose the model is super detailed.

[InMyOpinion]

http://www.dsogaming.com/wp...

http://gamers.ua/public/ima...

Exactly. The above are from CryEngine 3.

[ajax17]

one more gen. of consoles and we won't be able to tell the difference.

[Makasu]

Who will win in a fight between: PES 2014 and FIFA 14?

[user7693958]

First impression meter..
I believe whoever has the first new bet next gen experience will get more sale, I have no doubt PES14 will be a better, fun, simulator and more accurate.
plus this time will have the same online feature FIFA had so it will be even in that part .. Fifa will still have the licenses but PES has the user created

[gumgum99]

What's that line running down the center of his face is that just the image?

Edit: oh, I see. A side-by-side comparison. Wow.

[DivineAssault]

it looks damn good to me.. Considering its going to be used on nx gen kojima games, im sure its going to look amazing in motion..

But the hair! why cant they find a way to make it right? everything else is damn near perfect

[KillrateOmega]

Agreed the hair is quite flat and overly straight. Real hair often has several strands that stick out to the side a little due to things such as the wind or being brushed against something.

Still impressive considering that this will likely be nothing more than a PES 2014 model :)

[Saladin416]

you know what i think the problem is with most graphics in terms of render models, the lack of imperfections! everything is focused on being perfect, but in order to gain absoulte realism, graphic artiest should strive to Incorporated more imperfections (acne, scars, moles, black heads, etc)

[BitbyDeath]

Joakim Mogren = Fox Engine?

[Sketchy_Galore]

I was going to make a jokey comment about how it looks terrible and how I've already played better looking games this gen, then I read the comments on that site and saw people saying exactly that for real. Then I got sad.

[meday354]

PS4 for president! Next gen will be AWESOME!

[MacDonagh]

It may look good but does it play better than Fifa? If it can beat Fifa in the graphics department; then I would like to see some gameplay footage to show that it can beat Fifa in the gameplay department.

[Kos-Mos]

So if you need bubbles, you need to be the first one to comment a sony article and say something postive like: "PS4 is (even I haven`t played it yet) the greatest console ever." Then you get well said? Am I correct?

Jesus this site is getting low.

[Max-Zorin]

Kojima should make a game with Grey Fox as the main character with these graphics.