CG: "DmC Devil May Cry is looking like a commercial failure at this point doing worse that Ni No Kuni as NPD February sales are leaking out as they usually do."
DmC: DMC never recovered from the initial announcement while no anime fan worth their salt would resist something made by Level 5 and Studio Ghibli.
Capcom should hand DMC over to Platinum Games, so they can do the series some justice.
Dante vs. Bayonetta.....that is all http://www.youtube.com/watc...
DMC is a pretty great game as far as I can tell from my playing of it. Excellent art design, great surreal levels, interesting enemy creatures, a kind of gritty comic book style that reminds me of spawn and borderlands, and awesome music that fits right in with the gameplay. I can definitely see why it got rated so high by reviewers, and definitely can not see why it's been selling so poorly. I really don't think platinum could do a better job, revengence seems to be lacking in all the areas I listed above. Not seriously lacking just not at the same level of goodness that dmc has.
"I really don't think platinum could do a better job, revengence seems to be lacking in all the areas I listed above. Not seriously lacking just not at the same level of goodness that dmc has." Because Platinum took a SCRAPPED project and revived it just enough production values for 2 years. DmC on the other hand already have a BASE formula where it can build upon whereas Rising MUST have the Zandatsu element implemented. This surely limited their capacity of taking more creative risks. On the bright side, it is a polished game for an idea that Hideo himself could not bring into fruitation.
I'm not sure why everyone is disagreeing I have played through once, and while I was disappointed in the announcement of the reboot, it was actually handled very well, not from a pr standpoint but seriously it is a very solid game. It was very engaging and i dont think any serious dmc fan would be disappointed at all (other than having to adjust to the small tweaks in the button configuration. You leave the game feeling as if they just started from the beginning, like it was before the third entry. If it makes you nervous just wait till it goes down in price.
... only reason I didn't pick up the game was because of the DLC. Might pick it up later, when they release a complete version. Will certainly get Ni No Kuni, but I still have a backlog that's too big at the moment.
Great news for Ni No Kuni, its developers, its publisher and its fans. Hopefully we can have more games like it in the future as well. As for DmC, I hope it teaches CAPCOM a lesson that they should not forget. EA also learned the same lesson with Dead Space 3. Basically, DO NOT MESS WITH THE ORIGINAL FANS OR YOU ARE GONNA PAY!!
So you want a 4 hour DmC game? cool. I love me some metal gear rising, but anyone who's trying to act like its a better developed and deeper game than DmC is an out and out liar.
Ever since Heavenly Sword launched and he attacked Sony, Tameem Antoniades has shown he has the maturity of a 10 year old. This studio would be so much better if they had an adult spokesperson and he was forced to sit in the corner in time out. If there is an emo issue with the new Dante, well, it's actually him.
White Hair. White Hair would have added 1 million sales to their count, off the bat, even if the game was not any better. But what did they do? They had Dante put a white mop over his head as though he had white hair look into the camera as say "not in a million years" deliberately screwing with the fans. How stupid can you get? Eventually Ninja Theory will get it and realize that they need to make Heavenly Sword 2. The fans have only been asking for that game for this whole generation. After 2 commercial successes I bet the message is starting to sink in.
No. What messes up the joke is that he says not in a million years as a direct poke, yet not only by the end of the game does he get white hair, it becomes a dress option. Its more like he or the lead dev is telling himself to eff off.
With ninja Theory leaving Sony I don't think they will get the chance to work on Heavenly Sword 2 since its Sonys IP Sony needs to pass the torch to a more competent dev anyway I'm not really a fan of Ninja Theory's games.
Heavenly Sword was not as good as people on N4G try to make out.
I should have said "after 2 commercial FAILURES, I bet the message is starting to sink in"
@DOMination- Heavenly Sword was a good game, not the best, but thats why everyone wants a sequel because the base was already established and all they can do is make things bigger and better from there. Its funny when you think about it, Heavenly Sword was the only Ninja Theory game that has made a profit for them and it was a PS3 exclusive out a year after the PS3 launched (2007) when the PS3 did not have the biggest instal base at all. Ninja Theory had even turned down an offer by Sony to make a second game after Sony bought the IP name with the reason being they want to make multiplatform games (which at the time is what everyone did just to have the most potential buyers and make the most money they can which is understandable) and in the end the 2 multiplatform games they made most likely had a bigger budget than Heavenly Sword and flopped very bad (Enslaved and DmC). I would like to see a Heavenly Sword 2 myself, but I think I prefer Santa Monica working on it seeing how Ninja Theory is very "We're gonna make the game we want to make and thats that". Also hope DmC flopping is the return of the original DMC, even if it would be the last one to fill up all the questions and story holes left by DMC 4 (next gen would be amazing for it too).
If Donte said something neutral about that mop style like "looks nice" or "not bad" then they it would have gone a lot easier with the original fans. Instead NT outright says that the original Dante looked stupid and the original fans are outdated fools for liking him.
i know some core fans don't like hearing this and are happy DMC didn't sell well but its actually a pretty good game. they will make excuses that they hate it because its not 60FPS but truth is they still have not gotten over the fact N changed the look of Dante your loss its actually a pretty good game
The thing most core fans don't like is that the combo system has been trivialized. Simplified so its more accessible to a wider audience who aren't going to stick around and get into a deeper combat system - because it just isn't there. Its amazing that new fans don't/can't comprehend that. The game's okay, the story is certainly better scripted and acted than a standard DMC, but its not a DMC title. FPS not withstanding.
No it's the Capcom's and Ninja Theory's loss, because they did sell their game that they spent money to produce. The fans still have their money, or they bought MSR:R to get their hack n' slash fix. The customer is always right.
I didn't like the gameplay, had nothing to do with the look of Dante. It was all flash, no substance... You look at it and go, oh yeah, that looks just like Devil May Cry combat... However, when you actually play it, it's nothing at all like what it should be. There is hardly any skill involved whatsoever.
If you're a casual game, you might like that puke DmC let you play. But it's unacceptable to hardcore DMC fans. I'm glad the fans are making their point known that pulling crap like this will lose them $$$$$.
If any anime studio is up to it, it's either Ghibli, Madhouse or Bones gj.. Also, DmC deserves it, you can't just remake DMC2 and get away with it.
I was vocal about not liking the new direction the series was taking but I didn't want the game to bomb this bad. Might be the last DMC game ever at this rate.
No, hopefully Capcom will go "oh well, lets go back to the original" and reboot it again, or pretend this one doesn't exist. They take their sweet arse time releasing it anyways. I expect to see DMC return maybe 2 years into next gen.
No they won't go oh well when a game loses 10's of millions of dollars. They will shelve it indefinately.
Capcom would be better served in investing in new franchises.
@Above, there are other circumstances here. -They went with a new studio. People openly didn't like the decision for a while, and they didn't listen to the fans at all. -DMC has made Capcom millions before, and can do it again. They won't just let the franchise die, there are other marketing perks behind a good DMC release. It isn't exactly "oh well" but they will blame the studio, not the franchise. It's like in Hollywood. Just because some major movie see's a bad release doesn't mean a studio will can the franchise.
DMC5 will have good old Dante curb stomping Donte's face till it becomes squishy. Best opening scene ever.
If they give us the game we want we'll buy it. Even DMC4 sold over 3 mil and that was a universal disappointment. Capcom has now blown it twice with this series. Until they learn how quality control their products they need to stop making game all together. Whatever they started doing this generation they need to stop doing. They were boss on the PS2, I even liked DMC2, but they completely such now.
The sad thing about DMC 4, is that they pretty much released a unfinished game. It was supposed to have much less backtracking, more moves etc. The story was supposed to be more fleshed out as well.
Hated Nero with a passion. I'm so glad I got to play Dante with his perfected style system. Wish we can give him weapon loadouts now. So i can use combos and the weapons I like on him. Agni and Rudra with Ifrit and Alastor plus Ebony and Ivory with Pandora.
Goodjob Ninokuni Level 5 better make a sequel instead of those stupid Inazuma 11 games. EDIT: People sure love Inazuma 11 lol.
Ni no Kuni sold more than DmC? That is fantastic news
lets see even more amazing RPGs
I would love it if someone sent that arrogant Tameemi Antoniades a few copies of Ni no Kuni to him with just a sticky note saying "suck it"
I agree. I loved ni no kuni...set the year off just right. Amazing start to finish...kinda sad it ended. Good thing for tomb raider and bioshock.
I'm hoping this is the resurrection of JRPGs and that next gen will get much more JRPG support. I'm al for the westernizing of the games industry but Variety is the spice of life
^ This Tales of Xillia is coming this year yet, cant wait
Very good news for Ni No Kuni. One of my top games this generation. I love it so much I plan to play it again soon. One of the few game it was a privilege to play.
If i ever find time, i want to play again with all different familiars. I used the best ones but when i was going for the capture trophy i noticed so many i would love to try out next time around.
Oh what a shame.... ¬¬ " because they did manage to ship a game that the critics liked" They liked it because it was dmc, a familar franchise. Think most of us can agree that like FF13 or RE5 reviewers were wrong on this one. dmc was terrible as a DMC game and it was inferior....inferior games should not get good scores when the past installment was better.
The only people who would call DMC a terrible game are the ones that did not even play it. The scores are well deserved and Ninja theory did the best job they could have done with it. This Capcom hate is starting to get out of hand because it is the hard working developers that get caught in the crossfire.
I've played the demo and played a bit at a friends house who by the way is a bigger dmc fan then I am and he hated it completely and wished he never bought it. Wish he listened to me now. "Ninja theory did the best job they could have done with it" LOL No they didn't, they did a terrible job They didn't do anything to make it better then DMC4, they made an inferior product. I mean it's 30fps for starters and it was easy as hell to get a good score. Lets not forget they called the old fans worse then s***, called the creator, called old Dante himself, called the past games....they did everything they could of to make people hate them.
The biggest problem is that it felt they worked their mouths harder than the game itself. If they just shut up and created the game, I guaranteed the sales would have been much higher than it is now but when it gets right down to it, it was a reboot no one wanted. So I will respond the same way fans of the game did to people with legitimate concerns for their favourite franchise: http://static.fjcdn.com/pic...
Yeah, it's a shame. It's an enjoyable game.
I'm sorry EA make infinitely better games than Capcom yet that stops no one from shitting on them.....the thing is when you have bad practices you get called out. Capcom pretty much gave the finger to DMC fans throughout the entire development, they shouldn't be surprised when fans give them the finger back by not buying the game.
According to most DmC was a great game just not what ppl wanted. Its kinda funny how tomb raider rebooted with somethjng entirely different and has met critical acclaim and good sales. Maybe it is the franchise, the timing and the industry saturation. It doesnt help that the core base wrote it off before it even launched. I loved the makers of the game but i didnt buy it cuz i am not a huge DmC fan and didnt have time anyway.
It's partly the fact that Tomb Raider is a shooter (3rd-person cover-based shooter), and that sells more than a hack-and-slash beat-em-up. It's also partly the fact that Tomb Raider heavily invested in a gritty, story and character-driven adventure in the vein of Uncharted, and Uncharted is in-vogue right now. It's also partly the fact that maybe--just maybe--Crystal Dynamics simply did a better job of making a game--a very good game--that resonates with gamers on a financial and sales basis. I give more respect to Square-Enix for letting Crystal Dynamics--the pre-existing developers for the Tomb Raider series--handle the reboot, as opposed to Capcom completely pawning off the DMC series onto a developer that has NOTHING and NEVER had anything to do with the franchise.
Because TR did it right, Ninja Theory broke something that was really working well (the direction 3 and 4 took was really the best thing about dmc, in terms of style)
Tomb raider could only go up after years of mediocre games. Glad the devs pulled it off. Can't/wont comment on dmc as ive not played it. Hopefully it ends up on ps plus ;)
I couldn't care less about DmC, but Ni no Kuni deserves every bit of it's commercial success. Hopefully it will pave the way for more frequent JRPG localizations. There's evidently a market for them, regardless of what the "journos" have been telling us.
congrats to ni no kuni! thats amazing that a relatively unknown title sells more games in a month over a AAA game.
Also note that triple A game is multi platform which makes ni no kuni sales more impressive
DmC only examplify how utterly useless and out of touch the gaming reviewing press usually is . Dont expect everyone to gullibly swallow your words and opinions when you can't prove to be much of a gamer , between fallacies and innacuracies , and even less than an imitation of journalist .
You can't be the that gullible...I mean if you've actually read most of the dmc reviews anyway. They don't even review the game properly, they spend most of the review trying to sell you the game or end up calling the so called "haters". Others have never played a DMC game before so they don't know what it's supposed to live up to and give it a good score.
IGN gave Black Ops 2 a 93% score, while giving Far Cry 3 (seen by many as best shooter of the year) a 90%. That should tell you all you need to know. I'm not exactly a COD hater either, but the fact of the matter is that Black Ops 2 has been a laggy mess of a game since launch, and the single player campaign was mediocre. How it received a 93 from a major gaming site is simply beyond me.
Good.. It was way too early for them to reboot that series.. RE should've been rebooted before that.. DMC first came out last gen & tomb raider reboot came out AFTER the new DMC which is too damn soon imo.. I'm sure if halo or god of war got rebooted, it would bomb too..
It's obvious that 99% of people in the world are ignorant and still hung up on DMC's Dante's hair.......................... .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . .............................. . ./s
Great to hear Ni No Kuni sold well, the one of the few JRPG's to do it right this gen.
At what point do we get to say "we told you so?" Because I would like to sign up and call dibs on telling Tameem Antoniades that.
Not a big fan of I told you so. Its so much more satisfying to say SEEEEEEEEEEE!!
Finally, people are voting with their wallets instead of just complaining and then buying it anyway. My advice to Capcom is you should have rebooted Onimushu instead of DMC (although that probably wouldnt sell either, I just prefer it), and dont spit in the face of the series fans so easily.
Onimusha would have been great. Didn't Ono say he would love to take charge in a new take on the series. I would love for Capcom to try their luck in creating a comeback for Haunting Ground or Strider as well.
reboot Onimusha? WTH is wrong with it? the past 'Onimusha's have been great and it riddles lots of people on why Onimusha is a no show this gen! Capcom's intention this gen was clear from the get go, which is to concentrate on the Western market thus the introduction of Lost Planet and Dead Rising! RE Raccoon City, RE6 and now DMC are all changed for the West but most fans HATED them as they are no longer the games from the series they have come to love! their best offering so far for the East was Monster Hunter and that too didn't released on both the HD consoles except for Frontier Online which was exclusive to 360 but online only but who buys 360 in Japan anyway? Capcom should go back to their roots and release games that people want instead of to change too much to fit in the Western market! Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Ni no Kuni etc are 100% Japanese and look how they fare in the West! they do pretty good as what they are --> JAPANESE GAME! they shouldn't have change their direction towards trying to please the Western market IMO as there are plenty other true Western devs that can do that! why would people look to Japan if they wanted Western games? stupid Capcom and oh...you nickle and dimming with the DLC things are not helping either!
I didnt mean reboot as in, I want them to f*&k it up like they keep doing. I just meant I want another game. I would have way prefered a new Onimusha to another DMC. Call it Onimusha 4 if they want, I dont want it drastically changed. But its scary too. I'd rather they made no game at all than make a bad one. At least they would leave my memories unraped.
Totally agree with you there. They are so bad now you don't even want them to make the game you want! I think I'm on the same boat too lol
This, this so much this^^^^^ If Capcom wasn't trying to be A western dev this gen, it would've been much better for them, remember Dark Void voiced by Nolan North ( even tho he's in every thing)..Only thing Capcom has Done right IMO is Street Fighter (even then the DLC debacle) and Dragons Dogma.....even MvC3 was a mess ...ugh my most anticipated fighter Square Enix has this same problem which is why their best games are their western games Tomb Raider or Just Cause.....they are out of touch with their roots which is why FF is so piss poor right now and why Kingdom Hearts 3 is MIA
So you'd rather Ninja Theory turn Onimusha into European post-apocalyptic grunge? Make on slash kills require no skill to execute? No thank you...