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Submitted by WipedOut89 584d ago | rumor

Durango Memory System Overview

The Xbox 720’s memory system has allegedly been revealed in a fresh leak outlining the internal components of Microsoft’s upcoming next-gen console. (Microsoft, Next-Gen, Xbox One)

Credit url: nowgamer.com
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StrongMan   586d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(17)
Dms2012  +   586d ago
I really hope these specs arent true, and MS does find a way to bump up to GDDR5 modules, and drop the silly move engines. From the looks of it Sony won't have any competition next gen power wise until PCs surpass it in a few years.
whoyouwit04  +   586d ago
how the fuck you think they're not going to have competition? it takes more then ram to make graphics.
Datdude03  +   583d ago
It's also about how fast those operations can be done. Based on leaked info, Xbox is going to process 1.23 tflops with a max 102 gb/s bandwidth compared to 1.84 tflops & a max of 224 gb/s bandwidth on ps4. Plus it's easier to move info with unified memory. I hope that's not the case either bc Xbox is my preferred system but I own all.
deadfrag  +   585d ago
"PCs surpass it"wtf are you talking about , gaming PC already are more powerfull than what ps4 is!
Kakashi Hatake  +   584d ago
In terms of specs yes, but we'll see better looking games than whats on PC now. Its all about optimization. As an analogy, What a console can do with 4, a PC will take 10 to do.
Xsilver  +   584d ago
I see your miss informed the way the PS4 is built their is no gaming PC right Now that can surpass it ok, it will take them two years then it will probally surpass it look it up, this has every thing to do with the unified memory which is Not in PC ,GDDR5 it matters.
kayoss  +   584d ago
Yes top end PC surpass what the PS4 can dream of. but lets look at this way. If the PS4 cost $500, can you honestly tell me that you can find a gaming PC with PS4 spec and power for $500?
So if you going to compare the PC to the PS4 you have look at the price point of both platform to make comparable. Its really unfair to compare a $2000 gaming PC to a $500 console. So let end the PC is better than PS4 argument unless you are talking about both platform at the same price point.
clarkdef  +   584d ago
A truck is more powerful than a car, yet the car goes faster haha
N0S3LFESTEEM  +   584d ago
DeadFrag you are completely right... Screw your disagrees.

Kakashi Hatake... PC already has the advantage over next console generation. These better looking games your talking about are already possible on PC but the 360/PS3 have the bigger market share so they dominate the quality. Nothing like having a game dumbed down to fit into the ram confines of this console generation then when it comes to PC all they do is add some cheap FPS hungry effects which you can't tell if their on or off not to mention the PC version always inherits the same engine limitations as the console version. Next gen consoles will be playing catch up... and PC gamers will finally see what their rigs can do.
MAJ0R  +   584d ago
@Xsilver
Sarcasm, please tell me that's sarcasm... otherwise lol
jjank11  +   584d ago
@kayoss....even the argument of price point is an invalid one.

The console market and PC market work in totally different ways. Its not apples to apples unless there is a way to normalize it. For example, maybe $1 you spend on a console is equivalent to $2 in the pc market.
jmc8888  +   583d ago
In which case Hatake a mid level year old graphics card can do 15.

A 2013 graphics card can do 20.

If you want to SLI you can get 40-70 (or 45-80) or thereabouts....and if you go really uber you can get well over 100 with Titan.

Actually no...I got a GTX 670 on launch for $399.

That's more powerful than a PS4 for 100-200 dollars less and I got it and have enjoyed it for almost a year now, and will have another half a year before my PS4 is delivered to me.
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JsonHenry  +   584d ago
Lol, you do realize that while 8gigs of ram is awesome it has a very lackluster and 2 generation old GPU in it right? (the thing that actually makes the graphics look good in layman terms)

And from the looks of it the way the architecture is the Xbox will probably be neck and neck again with the PS4. That ESRAM is sexy stuff. Its another win for all gamers.
popup  +   584d ago
A 2 generation old GPU with no added fat though. Not only 'down to the metal' performance without being hampered and throttled by drivers and API's but dev's will be able to optimize the crap out of the console hardware as a whole without having to worry about the lowest common denominator and multitudes of hardware configurations. The creation is built on the intended platform and graphics still sell so they go the extra mile too.

You can take a low powered engine and build a light car around it and have a very fast car still.
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scissor_runner  +   584d ago
Most engines these days have a port or build button... Want it on android ok here ya go. It's called middleware and pcs have it also.

So basically we will be taking an old gpu and trying to meet the extreme with that while pc devs simply use all of that evolving hardware that is out there like gt690s and I7s.

The ps4, Xbox, and wiiu will be fine if we are not basing our excitement off specs yet games.
Ju  +   584d ago
We'll see how much "HSA" is actually in the PS4's chipset. From the looks of it, there is no such thing in the next xbox.

But really depending on which generation this goes, there is something like cache coherency between GPU and CPU in AMDs HSA (APU) architecture which goes so far that paged memory can be shared (memory pointers can be used AS IS between CPU and GPU).

And yes, while this will probably not beat the top end PCs down the road, it will allow engines to take quite a unique path down the implementation road; and will keep the PS4 competitive.

Games are made more and more by artists and designers and only a handful low level engineers (pity, but so be it). Engine front ends look the same across all platforms, but on the low level they could simply be implemented completely different (Physics will have tremendous benefits using HSA - not just the part which runs on the shader cores).

I'll be curious. But it's "not just a PC".

I'm not sure what to think about MS's approach. They control the OS which runs on it (what I mean, is, incl. the whole windows backend and dev tools). So, I would think they will try to hide as much as they can through their OS, otherwise it looks to me that devs will have a lot to optimize to fully take advantage of the architecture...it took them quite some time to really use the benefits of 360s EDRAM.

We'll find out eventually. I lean more towards the PS4, but I wouldn't want to write off the next XBox just yet. From the looks of it, it is far from being balanced between these two the next gen around.
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imt558  +   583d ago
@ popup :

GPU in next-gen consoles is not 2 geneneration behind, it's one. PS4 GPU belongs to Southern Islands family.
Tzunoy  +   584d ago
Is the complexity of things they offer that counts not the power. Power vise do you think MS is that stupid? Think again. And how the whoyouwit04 said in the upper comments it takes more things to make graphic than ram.
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1Victor  +   584d ago
ok can someone explain the article I read it the comments here and there 3 times and couldn't get it. can someone educate this old one, please no fanboyism thanks
Ju  +   584d ago
In short, MS tried to optimize it's design for specific sub task with a lot of "expert systems" compared to one big chunk of "jack of all trades".

Does this make sense? It's a common approach to solve problems. You use very specific "blocks" where they can perform best.

But, is it really? Some analysis must have gone into the approach to come up with this solution. But it's a little questionable from all we know.

Often it's based on the limitations we have at the time to come up with design solutions.

Two pools of mem in the PS3 - XDR vs GDDR. Rings a bell?

Separate Vertex and Pixel shaders vs unified shaders (RSX vs. Xenon), anyone?

Now MS and Sony make a 180. Weird. Lean and mean PS4 vs. cluttered NextBox?

So, well, what MS has done is, create sub systems which are good on their own - CPU has lower latency in DDR; the 68GB/s in DDR3 are actually quite impressive. But it has limits accessing the graphics side of things, GPU relies almost exclusively on a fast - shared - interface into DDR3 and buffers; no dedicated graphics RAM.

The GPU has "helper" chips - the Move Engines, video encode/decode engines and a fast EDRAM buffer. So, it is very specialized for graphics tasks.

IO has some dedicated HW - that is used to work with the rumored next gen Kinect because with high res images, the box must crunch quite some numbers from the video feed it receives from the camera.

But eventually all those "entities" must work together and this is where it will become tricky. Those interfaces are bottle necks where developers will have to pay attention to to maximize performance.

I agree that the design appears to be overly complicated compared to what made the 360 great: it's relatively simple and elegant design.

But, the result is not so easy to determine. The PS3 still outperforms the 360 (even if only marginally - see Tombraider as a multi platform baseline).

So, while going by raw bandwidth specs I'd rather give the PS4 the advantage. But specialization can possibly outperform it in some areas; I wouldn't want to make a final judgment until we see games on both eventually.
1Victor  +   584d ago
thanks Ju that was very informative.like you said lets wait and see what will be shown/unveil at E3.I hope for Microsoft sake they don't make Sony mistake since they don't have the backup of many high quality first party studios as Sony this gen
@nafon I understand some technology and when I don't get something I ask for help instead of been a idiot that think knows everything like you
Nafon  +   584d ago
lol another person who doesn't understand any technology
Kietz  +   584d ago
"Sony won't have any competition next gen power wise until PCs surpass it in a few years."

GTX680 and an i5 processor says "hi".
Really, stop pretending this thing is high-end in terms of tech. Let alone the best thing available at the moment.
It's good for its price. That's it.
DivineAssault  +   586d ago
If MS uses DDR3, sony will b*tch slap em nx gen.. The exclusives will clearly outperform them & look better too.. Who knows tho? MS might have something we have no idea is coming but i doubt itl be something that gamers want.. They have clearly stated on multiple occasions that its more of a multimedia device than a dedicated gaming machine
whoyouwit04  +   586d ago
you people need to stop acting like there is going to be a big difference in graphics cause there won't be I can promise you that. it will be the same as this gen graphical difference won't be noticeable but you can't tell you sony fans that just like we couldn't tell you that about the PS3 but what happened, you will make your selves look like a bunch of corporate ass kissers once again just wait and see.
DivineAssault  +   586d ago | Well said
PS3 used the "cell" processor so it was a whole different world when developing games on it.. Very complex as well but they managed to get a lot of western games done despite being lead developed on 360 or PC..

I agree that it MIGHT not be that huge of a difference but i can pretty much PROMISE u that sonys exclusives will have significantly better polish than anything MS gets just like they do now.. All the multiplats nxbox gets might be scaled down a bit too.. Nx gen games will have the same basic coding since both systems will be using PC architecture but that extra memory & power will allow higher polygon counts, refresh rates, bump mapped textures, & smoother frame rates.. PS4 may be the lead platform & then ported over to the others..

Theres no corporate ass kissing here.. Ill be the 1st to admit that sony designed the PS3 very poorly however they still did a fantastic job with everything this gen regardless of the initial high price point, complex hardware, & inferior network.. PS Plus is an amazing value for customers that will attract MANY gamers nx gen.. PSN is FREE of charge to play games & cross game chat (vita).. PS4 has a great deal of publisher support already too as well as some great features.. Theres nothing u or anyone else who wants to hate on sony can do but sit back & watch it dominate.. Its the best value for gamers & has the most robust software choices in the industry.. Its a core gamers system & they will buy it
ILive  +   584d ago
I own exclusives for both systems and I believe non of the 360's exclusives come close to uncharted 2 alone, bub. Heck, uncharted 2 still destroys most multiplat games. La noire and final fantasy 13 are the best looking multiplat games out there. If there is one thing the ps3 beats the 360 in is the graphics capabilities. When it comes to multiplats, there arent much differences.
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Belking  +   584d ago
"They have clearly stated on multiple occasions that its more of a multimedia device than a dedicated gaming machine"

lol...wen then that say that? No, they never did. It was just people and rumors.
talisker  +   584d ago
It's not about excusives. They would look on PS4 better anyway because of the of Sony's first-parties. The real thing is - a multiplatform title developed on PC (or X720 as the lead platform) and ported directly to PS4 will have a significant improvement in performance over X720. We are talking here about very similar architectures and PS4 has an edge now. Why? Because of the design Microsoft chose: general-purpose, cheaper RAM with lower bandwidth, slower CPU and GPU. Why? Because they are building more of a DVR and a media server than a console AND they have to include the price of Kinect 2 in the cost calculation. Expect more cartoony games with Kinect controls. If they want to achieve some magic from the hardware, they need to hardcode this ESRAM, just like devs had to go through hell with Cell in PS3 (well, to a much lesser scale). There are two 'buts': a similar concept of embedded RAM was in X360 and it wasn't until Halo:Reach (IIRC) that somebody utilized this buffer to the fullest. Second 'but' is a rumour that Microsoft doesn't allow low-level programming with their new console as it goes against their concept of a media hub/server.

All this if the rumours are true, of course.
medziarz  +   584d ago
Indeed.
colonel179  +   584d ago
Not necessarily, because Microsoft then will have a clause in their terms that no game will be released on Xbox if the game is not on par or better than the other consoles. Just like they did this generation.

Believe me, Microsoft will find a way to screw the competition, if they can't do it the right way.
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DonFreezer  +   584d ago
Just like Sony has been in Japan for years.Stop it.
MYSTERIO360  +   584d ago
Then i guess no game (third parties) will be released on their system as most developers don't want to be held back by hardware again. Plus quite a few developers have already done this i.e EA with battlefield 3 with support for SPU-based deffered shading.
falcon79  +   584d ago
The cpu cache can slow your RAM down by tons and the cache is weak on both and the 8 cores are basic cores not powerful jaguar cores are slightly updated atom cores very basic,it's all to make you fanboys look at big numbers and get excited ??

What's all this obsession with RAM,Havok have just released technology that allows textures to be compressed by x10 look it up,if you need say 1GB of texture memory you can have it for 100MB so memory isn't an issue in game design with todays technology ??

WiiU has 1GB or 2GB for games all we know is it has 4GB it was always speculation that half of that was in retail no one said this only 4GB of RAM so i'm thinking it uses 1GB or 2GB RAM on games which is enough for any game.
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Ju  +   584d ago
Oh, look! Wii want to play U ;)

Sorry. I couldn't resist. Reading your posts have a certain entertainment value, that's for sure.

I'm wondering if it's your hobby to feed the trolls or if you really believe what you are saying.
stiggs  +   584d ago
DivineAssault
Please link to a Microsoft source that stated the next XBOX is "more of a multimedia device than a dedicated gaming machine". Oh wait...you can't since MS hasn't even officially announced the next XBOX.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son."
rus_blackaz   584d ago | Spam
thedon8982z  +   584d ago
stiggs it looks like you and your dumb comment got owned!!!!!!
stiggs  +   583d ago
rus_blackaz
As I stated in my initial post "link to a MICROSOFT source".

You responded by citing a quote from an indie developer who holds a grudge against MS for some kind of perceived mistreatment during his development of the oft delayed Braid. He pissed and moaned about the way MS handled the release of Braid yet it turned out to be the best selling Live release of all time.

He also threatened that he would "kill himself" if his game was not completed and/or successful.

So excuse me if I don't take his word regarding anything related to the XBOX console as the gospel truth.
stiggs  +   583d ago
thedon8982z
Owned? Is that what happened? I got "owned"?

What are you, 12?

Try to THiNK before you respond in the comment section. That way, you won't look like an ignorant tool.

Good luck with that...
nukeitall  +   583d ago
Before quoting stuff, one should really examine the source. Blow (Braid Dev) blabbered about thing, but conceded in the same article (yes, the *full* article from the original source) that he knows nothing about MS plans, and just based it off the leaked rumored news!

"Some were technical – we [Braid Devs] haven’t officially been disclosed on Microsoft’s next console, but we do see the same leaks as everyone else has, and they seem plausible."

http://www.edge-online.com/...

Top it off with a displeased developer and you get the idea!

Alright, so who is going to apologize to stiggs? After all he is right, nobody knows MS direction except MS. Even the relevant partner only get the relevant data, not the entire picture!
falcon79  +   582d ago
I speak truth fanboys the point is RAM means nothing these days when tech like HAVOK allows compression with added detail by x10 makes RAM not important as every game uses HAVOK,plus its the Cache these days,and wiiu has a cpu with eDRAM cache and lots of it here's what cache does.

Cache (pronounced cash) memory is extremely fast memory that is built into a computer’s central processing unit (CPU), or located next to it on a separate chip. The CPU uses cache memory to store instructions that are repeatedly required to run programs, improving overall system speed. The advantage of cache memory is that the CPU does not have to use the motherboard’s system bus for data transfer. Whenever data must be passed through the system bus, the data transfer speed slows to the motherboard’s capability. The CPU can process data much faster by avoiding the bottleneck created by the system bus.

As it happens, once most programs are open and running, they use very few resources. When these resources are kept in cache, programs can operate more quickly and efficiently. All else being equal, cache is so effective in system performance that a computer running a fast CPU with little cache can have lower benchmarks than a system running a somewhat slower CPU with more cache. Cache built into the CPU itself is referred to as Level 1 (L1) cache. Cache that resides on a separate chip next to the CPU is called Level 2 (L2) cache. Some CPUs have both L1 and L2 cache built-in and designate the separate cache chip as Level 3 (L3) cache.

Right this is normal Cache with no eDRAM ect and less memory as well the wiiu cpu has 3MB of this which will make the cpu very powerful.
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kevnb  +   584d ago
meh, its the least interesting thing to think about despite what sony says.
TheKayle  +   584d ago
dme ? best way to resolve bw issue.....genious

same perf of gddr5 without spendind that much...and plus resolve stall and gpu idle time....and gddr5 latency ;)

ps this document r 1 year old ...just to let u know eh

but i think most of u dont understand what theres wrote over there
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PFFT  +   584d ago
Exactly!!! most of this stuff has changed might be for the better or might be for the worst. We wont know till they unveil their system.
coolasj  +   584d ago
Completely off topic. But, I like saying NextBox ( I pronounce it like NexBox ). It just rolls off the tongue. And it has TWO X'S! How rare is that!? I wouldn't mind if that was the actual name.
Rainstorm81  +   584d ago
Every Xbox has two Xs :P
Mikeyy   584d ago | Trolling | show
Bathyj  +   584d ago
Hehe. Probe.
ElementX  +   584d ago
Faster RAM doesn't make for a better game or experience. Information will be loaded faster however you're talking maybe a few seconds at most.
Why o why  +   584d ago
hey I hear ya but those extra seconds or minor tears or installs that prevented issues were blown way out of proportion. If it affects multiplatform games im sure it'll be the same again ... next gen trollin style for whichever console underperorms by 0.8 percent
jacksons98  +   584d ago
Faster RAM doesn't make for a better game or experience... Umm yes it does, it gives developers less limitations
imt558  +   584d ago
Not just information. There is higher resolution, more anti-aliasing ( specialy in opet-world games ).
falcon79  +   581d ago
http://www.vg247.com/2012/1...

Read this WiiU has zero RAM bottlenecks.
Dlacy13g  +   584d ago
There is nothing fresh about this "leaked" specs. This is just VGLeaks taking the same specs they reported on over a month ago that they had from a spec sheet back in 2012. The only thing "Fresh" about this is they go all technical on the different elements which they hadn't done before. This is the same info they had before just being shown in a different way.

Nothing to see....moving on.
Mr_cheese  +   584d ago
no rumours are facts and shouldn't be treated as facts, including leaks, until it comes from the horses mouth. I'm really sick of coming on N4G to see the say leaked info and rumours being used as fact by everyman and his dog. We haven't got long to wait until announcements. Summer isn't far off.
lovegames718  +   584d ago
Gaf had been commenting on leaks and rumors about the ps4 months before it was leaked even have pics of the controller and those rumors and leaks were 95% on point minus the Gddr5 ram. The same has been done with Xbox and given the gaf sites good history on leaks being that devs and ppl in the know how actually have accounts their Xbox is looking to be weaker than ps4 especially in ram dept. You can say rumor this and rumor that but when ppl in the know how leak this info and the gaf site is usually right dont take these rumors lightly.
Munky  +   584d ago
It is a fact that the leaks are a year old, possibly even older. This has been stated over and over again on GAF as well.
ILive  +   584d ago
Same with the ps4 and it turned out to be mostly true. I agree with the one above that it is best to not take the rumors lightly since the ps4 rumor was mostly accurate.
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Munky  +   584d ago
True, in regards to the PS4 leak the most important details was left out... the fact that Sony decided to with the 8 GB of DDR5. So, if there were discrepancies 2 months prior to the reveal of the PS4, then surely MS has time to tweak the specs of the Nextbox.
Kakashi Hatake  +   584d ago
Not only is the 720 going to be weaker, its also going to more complicated to develop for. With Sony having far better first and second party, its easy to see which console will pump out better looking titles.
medziarz  +   584d ago
Indeed
Minato-Namikaze  +   584d ago
My student is correct, lol.
Kakashi Hatake  +   584d ago
Master, youre alive. Your son has surpassed us all lol.
Minato-Namikaze  +   584d ago
Hopefully I will join you soon on the battlefield. Stay strong. lol
LordHiggens  +   583d ago
Minato you are a slave and Kakashi you will fall at the might of Madara Uchiha...you have no chance to survive make your time.
MadaraUchiha  +   583d ago
Your resistance is senseless...all power fails to compare to that of the Uchiha.
Dlacy13g  +   584d ago
and the 360 was weaker than the PS3 yet most multiplat games looked basically the same this gen with slight edges to one or the other.
Minato-Namikaze  +   584d ago
How do those multiplats compare to titles killzone, uncharted, god of war, and heavy rain?
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Dlacy13g  +   584d ago
....Tomb Raider. enough said
Kakashi Hatake  +   584d ago
Ps3s architecture and bottlenecks are to blame for that. I still don't see any 360 games that keeps up with UC3, KZ3 and God of War 3.
dirkdady  +   584d ago
Tomb raider lol.. You gotta be joking. Have you compared them side by side on the consoles?
monkey nuts  +   584d ago
True, but everyone seems to forget ms's policy regarding third party games and console parity.
They wouldn't allow games unless the 360 was equal in quality to that of the ps3. Probably the dickest move in console history, and that's why first party ps3 games stood out as much as they did in terms of graphics. The devs were not shackled by some lame corps policy over their e peen. XD
testerg35  +   584d ago
monkey, so multiplats that were better on the PS3 weren't real? That makes no sense.
jacksons98  +   584d ago
You nailed it, games was the big difference between Xbox and PS2, 360 and PS3, and it will be the same with the next xbox and PS4. Sony is really the only company left supporting hobby gamers
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kingPoS  +   584d ago
I believe it will come down to Direct X and LibGCM.

Developers will either learn to code to the metal or code within boundaries. To help put that into perspective, take a look at the ps3 & 360's earlier games from 2007 and compare them to some of their better titles today. Notice any differences?

Console specs may be non changing, but at the same time they can be tempered. That same solidness can in time become a flexibility. That can in turn grant innovative devs, who are thoroughly familiar with the system a great advantage.
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headblackman  +   584d ago
this is just getting way too stupid for me now. nothing was etched in stone in the ps4 announcement and the next Xbox is a complete rumor, but people are already posting fanboy flags at the top of the mountain before all cards have been shown. how pathetic. you know you're a fanboy when you start to make claims that don't even exist, but you accept them in your mind as factual and preach to others the nonsense that you wanna believe. what a bunch of jokes.
BitbyDeath  +   584d ago
"nothing was etched in stone in the ps4 announcement"

What does that mean? You're in denial about their announcement?
headblackman  +   584d ago
only a fool would take that announcement to be legit. everything that was said, is subject to change. just as it did when the the rumored Durango specs was leaked. the system that is supposed to be the ps4 specs is unrealistic on every level. the architecture is extremely odd and is being promoted to be capable of things that's not even capable for PC's for a while. plus the price will be ungodly anyway you look at it. an apu that's capable of accessing the gpu's memery as system memory swell as GPU memory has never been done before. and to my knowledge, isn't even possible. not even for an apu (CPU/GPU combo). this sype of technology would cost just as much as the bluray tech did when it was first released in the ps3 (extremely expensive). so don't be surprised if this console releases at a 599(min)-749(max) price points. say what you will, but on paper it sounds amazing, but in reality its a little far fetched. even the developers aren't really saying much about the system other than its easier to develop for. that's a plus hut not really confirming that the system is what Sony says it is. the way Sony trumps they system and its spec doesn't really sound the same coming from the developers. the developers are just happy to see them actually get the memo on making a real console, and not a space ship.
BitbyDeath  +   584d ago
'everything that was said, is subject to change.'

Specs are not subject to change. Devs right now all over the world are making games against those specs. They are official. The system is due for release this year. It cannot be changed at a minutes notice.

'even the developers aren't really saying much about the system other than its easier to develop for'

Have a read of this, many devs mention a lot more outside of being easier to code for.

Avalanche for example said this

""Absolutely. The hardware as such is great, and will outperform most PC's for many years to come."

http://www.develop-online.n...
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tbon3man  +   584d ago
GAMES that's what going to matter most not set top box or kinect.
Allowen  +   584d ago
If the gddr5 is faster ram memory then ddr3 then why the nextbox don't have it also?

I'm guessing that ddr3 is cheaper and it means the nextbox could be almost as good as the PS4 with the advantage of costing 50 to 100(maybe) less?
Kakashi Hatake  +   584d ago
Not true, Youre forgeting about the inclusion of Windows and Kinect. Those will drastically bloat the price of the 720.
cell989  +   584d ago
all I know is the PS4 has a better cpu and faster more sophisticated RAM, thats got to mean something
TheKayle  +   584d ago
for what i know it has 50% less perfomance in cpu (around 100gflops)...less sophisticated memory system....but faster ram...
nypifisel  +   584d ago
"Less sophisticated memory system". The Cell is one of the most sophisticated architectures commercially available that sure didn't help Sony get better third party games. I feel the Memory Modules on the NextBox is overly complicating things, keep it nice and simple. PS4 is already getting praise for how easy it is to develop for, I'm pretty sure NextBox won't be that much of a difference.

However I do know that Microsoft have stated that their strategy is to make Xbox a centre piece in your living room, and the thing about that is; A box can do many things well or it can do one thing very well. Sony just seem to be more oriented to games while MS seem to focus on multi solutions. I have no illusions though the next generation will probably play out pretty much the same this one did, with either one of the consoles being slightly on top - my speculation now is that it will be the PS4, the time of 1 dominating home console is over.
GamersRulz  +   584d ago
you are pulling numbers out of thin air. we know nothing about x720 but if the rumors were true then PS4 > X720 easily

PS4 has 1.84 TFlop overall performance + 8GB GDDR5 RAM

X720 has 1.2 TFlop overall performance + 8GB GDDR3

PS4 easily crush x720 whether you like it or not.
ichimaru  +   583d ago
sigh....so you admit you don't know too much about pc- console archetecture. just wait until both specs are release and then we can compare
jacksheen0000  +   584d ago
I'm starting to wonder how come most dev haven't said anything nice to say about the Durango DEV kit.

Mind you most DEV already have both Dev kits(MS/Sony's) don't they?

Even though MS haven't announced their Next GEN console yet, but DEv already having MS DEV kit at hand should be enough to at least give some sort of insight on how well it is to work with it.

I guess I should take this as a hint that PS4 hardware is better to work with when compared to MS hardware.

what do you guys think?
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Eldyraen  +   584d ago
NDA... Same reason that until PS4 was officially announced/revealed devs never talked about how good any specific next gen platform performed. They'd hint at next gen but wouldn't really say anything of real substance.

Xbox will likely not get quite as much attention though just because its not first--some attention but likely not as much as if was first revealed. If it had been you can bet many devs would probably had said the same as they've been clambering for new hardware (multiplatform devs mainly) for years already.
jacksheen0000  +   584d ago
well, Before the Wii U was ever announced most DEV were also under the same NDA and couldn't reveal anything about the Wii U hardware capabilities. But did that stop most DEV? Not really.

They kept giving us some hints by making statement like it 50% more powerful than the ps3/xbox or something else.

That said, I was expecting the MS Next box to get the same treatment. even a little info about the next box wouldn't hurt the NDA.

I mean, we haven't heard a thing about the next box, not even a hint makes wonder whether the next box is worthy of calling it a next gen console. we will have to wait and see of course.
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imt558  +   583d ago
Braid developer says : "next Xbox not strictly about games"
ichimaru  +   583d ago
because any dev working on the durango is doing so under a NDA( non discolusre agreement). they legally cannot acknowlege the 720 exist. did any devs mention the orbirs before feb 20, nope
AngelicIceDiamond  +   584d ago
Translation?
ComBaTs0uL  +   584d ago
I thought the XBox and the Ps4 had the same CPU? Why are people saying the PS4 is better.
sGIBMBR  +   584d ago
Because they're fanboys!

Even though not the case, if the PS4 was substantially weaker than the Next Box, the majority here would find some kind of excuse to bash Microsoft.

I like the Playstation, and it's looking like the PS4 is going to be my main console of the next gen, but I can't stand a large portion of it's userbase! Where ever I go, there's Sony fantards bashing something else.
GamersRulz  +   584d ago
Not true, people are saying PS4>x720 simply because of the more advance RAM it has.

I know X720 specs are rumors but if those rumors is to be believed then PS4>x720 easily.
ichimaru  +   583d ago
they make gamers in general look.....sad. Have you ever seen someone take video game hardware specs so personally
Eldyraen  +   584d ago
They could have the same cpu--but could have different clock speeds as well. Plus the basic architecture differences could be subtle but significant enough to make a difference.

ATM everyone is just fixated on ram as its only real surprise as not exactly a common design choice. Until we know exactly how their both designed its all just speculation and even then its still sounds like differences shouldn't be too severe (based on rumor). A lot of it comes down to what rumors end up true and then what devs choose to do with the new hardware. To be fair, that's usually one of the main deciding factors as not all ps3 exclusives look as good as its best either.
mistertwoturbo  +   584d ago
It has the same CPU, but that doesn't mean it's the same PCB or design. Sony will have their touches and obviously they shared a bit on that seeing as how they are able to fit GDDR5 even though that CPU was never meant for GDDR5.

And rumored had the PS4 at 1.86Gflops while the NextBox is rumored to have 1.24Gflops. That's why people are saying the PS4 is better.

Although the biggest question is what GPUs are going to be in either.
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imt558  +   583d ago
GPU in PS4 is also better than Next Xbox GPU. More Computer Units PS4 GPU has.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
supergravity  +   584d ago
Man every time I see Anna H? in the comment section she is gettin' lit up somethin' heinous! On-topic PS4 seems more straight forward, I can see why the developers are happy. The blitters do seem pretty cool though...
QuantumWake  +   584d ago
Since Sony announced they were using GDDR5 everyone on N4G all of sudden became programmers and masters of next-gen console technology.
Munky  +   584d ago
Yup, it's f*ckin ridiculous.
ichimaru  +   583d ago
deja vu, remeber the cell back in 06, everyone knew everything about this completely new hardware
Mkai28  +   584d ago
Sony may have a problem with those Move engines and ESRAM buffer. They are blazing fast blitters that give much faster read/write access to data, even if the RAM is slower. It's also cheaper and will undercut Sony in price. Evenso, we don't know how they will perform on the battlefield being on paper and all. Also this is still a rumor, an one year old rumor.
nypifisel  +   584d ago
The PS4 and NextBox will be priced pretty much the same, no matter what's in them and one being more expensive to manufacture than the other. Neither one can afford to loose market shares, it's the games they make the money from, not the hardware itself.
S2Killinit  +   584d ago
So this pretty much confirms that the nextbox is weaker than the PS4. But I still think that would be suicide by Microsoft, so I predict that they are just waiting till E3 to surprise everyone and come out with the same type of ram as PS4's. what gives credence to this theory is that if MS uses the older type of ram, the different between the two consoles will be astronomical (not like the difference in this gen) which just isn't plausible in my opinion.
ichimaru  +   583d ago
"so this pretty much confirms"
no this is rumor. a year old rumor
a year ago mitt romney was a viable presidential canidate.
a year ago the last of us was slated to release on time,

a year ago te next gen consoles weren't being released until at least 2014. it is a rumor bro, it confirms nothing
AlphaTauri  +   584d ago
After reading the Durange reveal articles on VGleaks (if they are accurate), the Durango seems to be quite sophisticated.
Erdrick  +   584d ago
shouldn't all this be taken rather lightly? i mean the ps3 was promised to have a bunch of features that didn't make it into the final model, right?
sinjonezp  +   584d ago
It does not matter what is in the box. What the truth of the matter is, the PS4 is focused primarily on gaming. They realize that GDDR5 is better for graphics. Think of the Geforce Titan; it has 6GB of GDDR5. Pushing 8GBs of GDDR5 - unified - tells us that Sony is telling us that, "Hey, we are about high quality, easy to program games." While Xbox is leaning towards all of these various functions; that is why memory is shared all over the place. Even developers like the one who created Braid said that Microsoft is desiring to make a multimedia box that does everything. I own a Xbox and every time I turn it on you see constant promotions for just about everything; cars, games, sports, movies, I even played with a Verizon app once. So it will be a matter of taste. Do us as gamers want a box that does everything or focus primarily on games and cloud sharing and interacting: this holiday the choice is yours.
josephayal  +   584d ago
Amazing Specs
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