The console business – including Steam Box – isn’t sustainable in its current form according to Richard Garriott.
Its obvious they are numbered the idea of console as we have known them wont be around but I will be damned if I have kids they wont be sat down and shown how gaming was like back in my days.
Well people like it or not, the last consoles were the PS2, Xbox and the Wii. PS3 and Xbox 360 were a bit PC like. However with PS4 and Xbox 720 its completely PC architecture. So yes the next consoles are essentially locked down PCs just branded by Sony and MS. Not that this is a bad thing in anyway.
Consoles aren't defined by their architecture. They are simply machines designed to play games (primarily anyway) on a TV.
Edit: Beaten by above^^ A PC is much more than a piece of electronic for gaming. A consol is purely for gaming and media. Just because the architecture of a consol is more PC like dosn't mean it's a PC at all.
PC's have much more features
"“Tablets are becoming so powerful, your television is already connected to the internet and frankly it’s powerful. And there’s a cloud of computing behind there that’s easily accessed, so I’m going, ‘Why in the long run do we need a console? All you really need is a controller’. It’s going to be interesting to see how consoles evolve in the next few iterations to see if they can find some new compelling reason to exist. Because, at least from my perspective, I think their days might be numbered.” Another pro-tablet "everyone has the same internet connection" individual. Nothing new to see here folks. It's just the same bull that's been proven wrong for years now. And of course a developer is going to love something like Steam, where you have an a** hard time getting refunds and where you don't own your game. Seriously, we've heard all this stuff before, and yet people are still buying consoles in large numbers, the pre-orders wait lists for PS4 are huge, actual evidence proves these sentiments that mobile gaming isn't destroying the console market. Really, these developers and publishers and analysts just need to stop. People like physical copies, people like consoles, the network infrastructure doesn't exist to completely switch to digital distribution and cloud gaming only, and tablets have terrible controls and lacklustre experiences when compared to dedicated handhelds and consoles. Just stop already.
"Well people like it or not, the last consoles were the PS2, Xbox and the Wii." Like it or not, you're wrong.
I just bought a new graphics card and more ram for for my ps3....oh wait no I didn't because its a console!
Yeah, a PS3 is about as far from a PC (for a console) as you can get. *cough* the Cell *cough*
The days are numbered but yet I plan on buying the PS4 when it does drop...why can't we look at gaming at its core instead of stupidly dividing gaming as a console or PC? People have preferences, do they not? It's stupid to say console days are numbered.
Fuck that I ain't playing games with only touch screen. Who every say console is deadis not a hardcore gamer.
Everything is numbered, even when you're born you are numbered. Consoles/PC/life as we know it are all numbered.
T900 is Android-like.
@PSVita Yeah you added more ram and memory to your PC to play "Uncharted, GT, Gow" oh no wait it's a PC.
T900, i think you need a date with the dictionary.
I see a lot of fanboyism here. I love my console and what it offers over a regular computer when it comes to gaming, but I do see a lot more competition. The days of super high priced hardware subsidized by the manufacturer is probably on it's last generation. Why? Because the hardware almost no longer drive the experience, but the software now. We will soon come to point where there is very little limitation in hardware that prevents developers in creating an experience, and something that better hardware doesn't necessarily bring anything worthy. What do I mean by that? Well, do you care if your game runs at 1080p or some higher resolution? Most likely not, because the cost is tremendous, yet the gain is negligible. That is happening with PCs already. A PC from 5-years ago can run almost anything today for the general public. They no longer care to upgrade, so the only way is to make it a fashion statement like Apple does. So yes, I think "game" consoles are numbered even though I love gaming on them and hope not.
Consoles days are numbered, but not in a doomsday like way. As long as there is a need for games there will be some sort of device to take care of it.
Why....Just Why? :s
Garriott's days are numbered!
lol. The only thing i think is going to die is the handheld market due to phones. I dont see consoles dieing any time soon.
One guys opinion don't matter so move along. Their days are numbered my ass all I've heard is good news for next gen consoles. GameStop already having 600k on first to know list already and ShopTo having unprecedented demand the most in their 7 year history. Wait until June when the Price, Actual console revealed, games, release date,and new features are shown. The the demand will skyrocket.
TBH the PS2, Xbox and gamecube were the last of the home consoles as we all grew up with as they were all about games. The WiiU, PS4 and Next Xbox as well as the Wii, PS3 and 360 are not just a console they have becomes a kind of one stop easy to use computer as they offer a lot of services that a PC dose as well as media boxes ect. We are seeing a new gen of Multi media boxes that have games consoles in them that are linked to various services Like Music, TV, Web browsing, Email and more. But one things they are pushed and sold on is there games and I think this will always be there number one feature.
My phone and ipad does all of the above things as well.......Are they PCs too? edit: "But one things they are pushed and sold on is there games and I think this will always be there number one feature." Hence them being called..............Game Consoles.....<_<
Well yes your IPad and phone are still a type of computer and a pc stands for personal computer and the Ipad and Iphone are personal computers running a mobile OS. A computer is not just set is stone to be sat on a desk.
By that reasoning every console is a PC the original NES, was called Nintendo Family Computer or Famicom in Japan. But NO ONE was attempting to call them PCs then,.....yes every console is in a sense a computer that runs processes....but to call them PCs because they added extra functionality s ridiculous...... AS you said yourself" games will always be their no. 1 feature".....thus being Game consoles...
"TBH the PS2, Xbox and gamecube were the last of the home consoles as we all grew up with as they were all about games. " I dont know why people claim that . Like it or not , a few consoles before them were media hubs even if not popular ones . It didnt make them any less of a console . And some of the early consoles were basically pcs in architecture
@Baka-akaB I agree with you an I own one of them still in my Amiga32 but they are a little ahead of there time imo. The way I see it games consoles have now become more than just about games. I don't think this is a bad thing as it now means we can have less devices under our TV which is always a big +. @Rainstorm81 sorry what I meant was console are becoming more and more like PC's but then again PC's play games to so they are becoming more and more like each other. I don't see home consoles going anywhere soon just like handheld devices but what has changes is they now offer us more than just gaming.
"TBH the PS2, Xbox and gamecube were the last of the home consoles as we all grew up with as they were all about games." PS2 played DVDs. PS1 played CDs. Your definition of "console" is stuck in the past.
Stop throwing that gamestop preorder list around. Do you realize me and many others put themselves up for the alert just to be informed. I have no plans of purchasing a ps4 at launch but i am signed up. Many will probably switch the bandwagon back around to xbox when it gets announced.
by over 11 million days...
Let's enjoy the next 30,000 years then! :D
I was listening to dtoid's podcast and they were right about one thing. People in the industry are too damn hungry for blood in regards to destroying markets within gaming.
The real question is in favour of what? Tablets? Smartphones? I just don't see it. For me and many others I'm sure, I require a traditional control method, not tilt, shake and tap.
Consoles as we know them will be around until high speed internet is common across most of the world market. Then all digital and cloud gaming will take over, but there will still most likely be a box that people will call a console. Eventually, TVs will be like big iMacs so no box will be needed anymore. That's when consoles will really die, but there will still be controllers.
here we go again... sigh...
And here we go with this tablets killing consoles bullshit again.
I think he was addressing cloud gaming and the accessibility to it. An iPad may never look as good as the next console, but cloud gaming could very well level things out... eventually. And I see where this guy is coming from. At the same time, I don't think the tech is ready yet, neither is Playstation and Gaikai on that matter when it comes to cloud streaming. But eventually, I'm guessing Xbox, Playstation, and possibly Nintendo will be more of a service and less of a hardware. Possibly... just keeping an open mind I guess. I can see that happening one day.
Tablets definitely killed the last console generation. Those poor poor sales. 250 million Wii/360/PS3 consoles sold. /s
The Universe's days are numbered- FACT (for real like science) see anyone can do this
Says man who only ever made PC games & not a decent one in 10.
The Ultima series is regarded much, much higher than you think it is. Which is why Richard Garriott is still somewhat relevant a ton of years later. He doesn't need to have made console games to have an opinion about gaming. A ton of video games are PC ports anyway.
I'm so bored of industry experts telling me how I should play my games & what's best for me. More consoles have been sold than ever before & more games too. The consumer should shape the market, not the other way round. iOS & tablets are full of shite. If anything iOS & tablet gaming could collapse from market saturation.
Being a star once doesnt give a free pass . No one remembers him beyond those ultima titles for good reasons , even if he still deserves proper respect . He was a creative force then but hasnt been since and was mostly involved with vaporware or mediocre software . he could have hits again sure , but he is hardly an autoritative figure in today's gaming landscape , at least for now , and especially on consoles . Or should we all pretend we still listen to Bushnell ? Its like some washed up guy from Motley crue telling everyone what's the future of Rock .
Garriott created the best MMORPG that ever existed and still hasn't ever been beaten to this date. He's pretty sharp when it comes to innovation, unlike most games we get fed nowadays. From what I understand he's working on a new project at the moment, it would be foolish to not keep an eye on it.
haha again with this? how many console generations do they wanna repeat this statement as we sit here playing new ones by the years' end. just give it a rest garriott, you obviously need to take a look in the mirror: Angry Birds isn't going to replace the entire game industry sorry ... flukes to say the least cowboy... PS--props to Ultima but Carmack tried to down talk consoles too and guess what, didn't stop PS4 from being announced. let them keep talking i'm getting my pre-order gameplay trailers from the consoles they said won't exist lmfao.... PSS- big lol at people calling ps3 and 360 "PC like", ps4 and 720 won't be as "PC like" as they want you to think either. 360 has a 3-core proc, ps3 had a CELL with 1 main cpu and 7 spu's . show me a PC with those chips in it? oh and direct connections between the parts with no bus-bottlenecks? yeah show me the pc's guys ill enjoy to see...
"show me a PC with those chips in it? oh and direct connections between the parts with no bus-bottlenecks?" PS3 did have a modified GPU from PC tech. PS4 is even closer, like it or not CPU is a modified Tablet part (something simular is already announced for the PC by AMD). PS4 GPU is a PC modidfied part too. So yea PS4 is actually more PC like than the PS3 was. What Bus bottleneck are you talking about? Its proven even multiple high end GPUs as of today cant overload PCI express 2.0, never mind the newer 3.0 standard.
@Hitman: PS4 and 720 essentially ARE PCs. They feature x86 CPUs (x86-64), the very same used in virtually all home PCs for decades. The 720 is rumoured to have 8GB DDR3 SDRAM as well. The only thing you won't find on a PC so far is the unified GDDR5 pool that the PS4 is using, but that's really because that's not a particularly useful/efficient or cost-effective set up for most users. CPUs want low latency RAM and aren't as bandwidth reliant, so DDR3 is more useful to them; GPUs like high bandwidth and aren't as picky about latency, so GDDR5 is more useful to them. Hence, the pools are kept separate. The good thing about the unified pool is that it lessens the need to "move" memory, the same copy of data can be accessed by both GPU and CPU in the same locations, which reduces overheads incurred when copying data from one pool to the other (and any address translations that may need to occur between them). I doubt you'll see any huge boosts in performance from this, but it will certainly reduce load times and the necessity for loading. So no more "pop-in" textures and such like we saw this gen. But that's probably the biggest benefit you'll gain from this.
There's something spiteful about people in interviews forecasting or wishing the decline of a long loved model amongst gamers for enjoying games. And it's always people who's games I've never cared to try that make such proclamations. They're not necessarily interested in improving experiences so much as wanting to cut down hardware to make more money- that's what they mean by 'not sustainable'. Always remember - some things do not necessarily get better.
An opinion from a guy who, accidentally, makes PC only games. How unexpected... I hate it when people tell me what I should like. I don't like PC gaming and will never go back to it completely. If they try to force me to play KB+M one day, I'll just quit and find another hobby.
OR... You can just stick to playing old console games.
It basically comes down to the devs they control the industry. Wherever devs want to make games is where gaming will thrive, hence why Sony built a console for devs. At the same time I'm a bit worried about tablets and phones and such because games cost pennies and are easy to make, the profits are through the roof. If devs continue to struggle making profits on console we could be in trouble. As much as I hate preorder content, micro transactions and expensive DLC, I'm okay with it if it means console gaming thriving.
well the console market will probably crash and slowly recover.
Smarphones and tablets i doubt would ever catch up to consoles like consoles will never catch up to PC tech wise in a single generation. I think on-line streaming is possibly another big threat to consoles at least hardware wise where we will be buying virtual/cloud consoles. The biggest barrier for this though is internet bandwidth. New breakthrough tech in compression though would significantly alter this though.
I Don't Think so, Xbox 360/PS3/WII u Still Selling Like Hotcakes
consoles as we know it r dead with x360 and ps3... as i said last year..integration multimedia will be the major things in future machines... and they ALSO will play games
Trash article, console gaming is certainly changing, but it is not going away. A statement like "console's days are numbered" is just as much pulled out someone's butt as the statement "PC gaming is dead"
thatll be the day I stop playing games
Another dumb and clueless article. Consoles are still great for the money and have been around since pong( 1971/2) tablets or pc usually and wont have Mario,link, gears of war or halo unless Ms itself rolls it out. P3s who cares what they do. 50 % of America doesn't have the bandwidth at home for such games and even if mario or halo was on a cloud server without the need to download it,it will still cost you a big penny.
well each generation consoles come closer and closer to being pcs. And with the rumoured steambox releasing sometime in the near future I think the idea of a traditional console is coming to an end.
Lord British jumps in on the futility of the console business! Has there ever been a bigger authority? I mean, the guy probably gleaned it from the Codex of Ultimate Wisdom. Seriously, I'd rather have Garriott's Ultima 1 future come true - you fight with swords, crossbows, there are castles and kings, and the royal Vendor of Hovercars and Rocketships. Medieval Star Wars is way better than a giant cramped trailer-city in an uncaring future, where we make money by the light of the Xbox 4320, subsidized by a Microsoft subscription in which we pay one kidney a month and regrow it while gold-farming for richer Brazilian players. That's my future scenario. Basically Ready Player One, but with more kidneys.
Says a guy that's never developed for them, and hasn't made a game in years.
He's been too busy flying around space.
Funny. I remember PC developers with over inflated egos like Carmack making these very same statements and predictions back in the 90s right before the Snes launched.
Really? I can't remember that at all.
Just like the current generation of tech, consoles are changing. They are not just straight up gaming machines for better or worse. They will continue to morph and flow with what consumers demand. So yes, their days as pure gaming machines are numbered (if not actually already dead), but their actual life expectancy is more than doing fine with their current evolution path.
Oh yeah consoles are definitely dying when they continue to sell over 200 million combined in a generation. This person is a genius.
I gotta be honest, PCs have being for the longest, I still play on consoles, have my android phone, I don't play anything on it, I still play console, I have no dumb interest for a tablet... All this people wants to spell the end of consoles for their own convenience... Seriously I don't like the games on PC, phone and tablets.. That dumb-ass thinks he can speak for the entire community... Looks like he's too dragged by the casual market, all I say people have different tastes on which type of entertainment device they would like to have their gaming fix, everyone is different!
^i hate the virus u can get on pc and how the system is always sending messages.
Nope. Not likely. Though I guess you can say the days of ANYTHING are numbered.
Core gaming days are numbered then since 99.9% of core gamers play on PS3/360 Though Core gaming is shrinking but not at the rate where I think next generation will be the last.