PlayStation 4′s 8GB of GDDR5 RAM shared between GPU is an advantage, rather than not explains K^2.
All platforms will benefit from the upcoming power increase of the next generation. Consoles will be able to do what PC's already could, like supporting bigger maps and a larger amount of players in multiplayer games, whilst the PC variants of multi-platform titles could become very well optimized and look even more stunning because of that.
Not the Wii U. Not being an ass, just sayin...
Incoming PC fanatics with hate and Jelousy.
IDK, I think PC gamers should be glad with the PS4 specs even if they have no interest in console gaming. I've seen the random troll posts but I'm believing that was a fabricated conflict from fans of other systems and also morons who don't understand what the architecture of PS4 means for PC gaming. If they'd acknowledge it as the next step for consoles that means they're encourahing the games to be built on PC-like architecture which means easier porting for console to PC, and vice-versa. In that case they won't have to put up with 6 month delays and bad ports, and everything will upsacale nicely if they have a $1000 gaming rig. Its a win-win scenario for both parties.
Jealous of what? Jealous of high graphic levels I was playing a few years ago.........
U are totally wrong. For me as a pc gamer master race , ps4 release is a blessing. Dev will finally make use of 100% pc power to make a game looking as good as on ps4 o even better, and they will need to make good optimization. Games will make another step forward, i hope, i'm tired of silly port from consoles that look like crap and even then optimization is pathetic. Of course it isn't only about graphics, but with more visual detail, anything else will also be better.
You look like you're trying to lose your bubbles. It won't be hard because you keep trolling PC enthusiasts with such asinine remarks without any leg to stand on. As someone who primarily games on PC, because of a non-functional PS3, I feel as if you're trying to hit me with the troll bait too. Picking a fight with PC elitists isn't the wisest thing to do either, as we(and I mean a lightly put "we") are more hardware hands-on, and enjoy extending the life of our games through mods and hardware upgrades. I really think you should think on launching your troll cannonballs before anything is said against the PS4 or consoles in general. Anyway, why defend a device, and why defend a device with such tenacity, at that?o.O
Consoles push PCs in many ways that aren't necessarily graphical. People need to get over it.
@NathanExplosion Please explain.
@ToonarmY Please tell me in which games, because i got a gaming PC and have not found a single game where I thought "What an amazing game!, look at all those polygons".
WTF are you on??
Since the PS4 can hold up with the next gen of PCs, this will benefit everyone. A big issue PCs face is that consoles are the primary focus for a vast majorities of games so even though the games are PC made they feel ported in many ways. With consoles close to next gen PC in architecture, PC games will be able to flourish as they will be built with a higher level of care.
Mag (PS3) had 256 players on 1 map at the same time.
And no textures and other elements...
Players who looked like Age of Empires villagers. On a map that looked like an Age of Empires flatland.
Lol please, we have Planetside 2.
The PS4 is a result of years of the console trying to copy the PC and now it has official happened. Yeh the PS4 is a result of PC Gamers making clear that we are tired of SHOTTY PORTS! The PS4 is a win win for PC Gamers. No more Horrible Ports as all games will be PC first because PS4/x720 are now x86-64 PC's Consolers will get more PC Games and PC Gamers will get ALL console games one way or another. It's all good as consoles get fully engulfed into the PC realm.
I'm primarily a PC gamer (Heck I don't even own a console from this current gen) and I was happily surprised at the PS4 announcement, never thought it would be that powerful, this is only good for us PC gamers cause finally we will be able to see some actual increase in fidelity of games. My PC is more powerful then the PS4 but how does that matter when no games are developed for my hardware but rather for 7 year old ones. No, there's great times a head of us indeed, for all gamers. And hope to god this next generation wont be as long as the current one.
Good job Sony, BUT it is still a gamble. I just wonder how much it's going to cost. We all know that PC's are going to rise to the occasion to try to deal with the upstart infringing on their Lofty Climes / Turf. So, the question is will the Hardware, Cost to Consumer, Cost of Developing Games, PC Market Competition, and Traditional PC Fans- -Work in favor of PS4 OR Shoot it in the Foot? Nonetheless, I am sure PS4 will be on Market for 8 to 10 Years. (It's built to "last"- power-wise at least). So, I wonder if XB1440 or if the Nintendo Wii US will eclipse it. (Nintendo is generally a 5 year cycle). Nintendo usually wants a cheaper product for the consumer- So will the PS4's existence drive down the prices of, now, advanced PC Parts. Likely. Plus, the PS4 will inspire faster Parts/Chips/Architecture- Ways to deliver the same results for less- or more efficiently. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens in 5 years.
Wii U is an insignificant non-entity to Sony and MS come this holiday season. Especially to core gamers (and even casuals, who now prefer phone games and also kinect-like controls: And Sony & MS got that covered). Wii U's 1 gb of RAM (with another 1gb being wasted on the OS) will leave Wii U in the dust. Fact.
I wouldn't count the Wiiu out so easily. Yeah its having a really tough start but like the fans have been saying that could be easily attributed to the lack of games at the moment. With a price drop and more titles (prefferably new ones that feel *fresh*, not more mario/zelda) it could definitely reach GCN numbers if not more. Thats my opinion.
@xursz: Sorry but I would count them out. Did you even read the many factual reasons I provided? Theres no chance for a comeback. Not even 1st party support can dig them out of this grave. They will probably make the obligatory re-hash and then release a new console in 3 years. They will not survive this gen with thw Wii U. And if next gen lasts 7 years like this one did, then Wii U ESPECIALLY wont last. Nintendo, no Iwata, screwed up. I wont even bother going into a rant about how badly Iwata has been running the company ever since becoming prez in the gamecube era. Hint: Nintendo used to not rely on rehashes, used to make tons of new IP's, have state of the art tech, not rely on gimmicks like e-reader cards, unresponsive Wii motes, non-dual touch touch-screens that cost too much to produce and add very little inovation to gaming, had STRONG 3rd party relationships, partnerships and input when making consoles, etc. BEFORE Iwata became president. Now look at them. Absolute joke.
You said you list "many facts" but only mention one; The WiiU has 2 gigs of RAM with 1 dedicated to the OS. And that has nothing to do with sales or how poorly the WiiU is doing.
You do have some fair points but even the biggest doubters can admit "no chance for a comeback" is pretty extreme. A price drop and more new titles will spur interest, generating third party support, and better sales. Like I said if it could reach GCN numbers then I'd consider it successful. I liked my Gamecube. :|
So you disagreed with me because of my name not what I wrote- Interesting... I don't think I ever have said in Forums/N4G that WiiU is or is going to be more poweful than PS4. Check my history. And I definitely did not say it in the post you responded to I said " "WiiUS" and "XB1440" which means the NEXT Next Gen consoles that come out 5 years from now. SMH
I see you claiming fact, but posting none.
If it will last 8 to 10 years, five years from now it will hold back PC games like current generations is holding now. Unfortunately high amount of RAM, which only lately becomes a standard for PC suggests it could be the case. I wouldnt complain if speed of code optimisation on consoles wasnt slower then gain of raw power of hardware but it isnt the case. Six year cycle is IMO max. After that we will gain more, faster from updated hardware then optimisation.
PS4 is not monstrously fast. Its base GPU, the important chip, is about as fast as a PC GPU that launched a year ago and was technically made midrange 9 months ago in AMD's lineup. If PS4 launches November and then next year for all territories, it'll be lower midrange by then. By comparison when Xbox 360 launched its GPU would have been the fastest in the world only 6 months before it arrived. PS4 is still a jump over the existing generation which will be a bonus to PC gamers, because it will increase the fidelity of ports, improving base assets and lighting. The CPU is not exactly a hotrod either but being X86 much of the code will just dump straight across to a PC version, and will already be heavily multithreaded. The CPU is really the big advantage, because it works in basically the same way as every CPU in PC. What really distinguished the consoles from PC this generation was their RISC based processors, now the PS4 is virtually a custom built midrange PC aimed at gaming. CPU performance in PC games has been an issue in many PC games for some time, under utilisation of threads especially. PS4 should change that completely, it'll be excellent for PC gamers.
I would wait and see how well AMDs new proprietary APU technology makes use of all that GDDR5 before making that kind of claim. Liked your post overall though. Since you mentioned the CPU.... I think PS4 will startle people by showing them how amazing games can look/play if properly optimized. Another win for both PC and Console gamers. :]
I agreed with you And gave you a "Well Said" Thanks for adding you knowledge to the discussion. Even though I am definitely on the fence about the power of PS4. I have been reading some fantastic articles about it and even some of 3rd Party developers touting it's prowess over current PCs. Is this a Greasy Palm- Viral Campaign? Maybe. At any measure, if true or not, PC's will catch-up. I said that many times in my original write. >I thought the main thing about the Architecture was the 8 Gigs GDDR + the GPU and a good CPU.
The PS4 being x86 alone will aid everyone. Developers are happier, multiplat games are better and overall, due to being easier to work with, companies should save more money. Sony thought about everyone this time around so I say good job Sony.
a big change from the days when they wanted everyone to struggle with their unorthodox architecture. and alot of n4g agreed with their way of thinking at the time... i also applaud sony for making something easier and more mainstream for devs to work on.
Really guy? You think Sony purposely designed the PS3 to give devs a hard way to go? Sony took a chance on new tech and i say good for them for trying something new. I understand time is money for devs. So i can understand the lame ports of multiplatform games. But we see what was accomplished with people that learned the cell. Head and shoulders above any other console of this gen.
Tears of joy, proud gamers we should unite because we have common cause and goal, enhanced graphics, improved gameplay, better AI. This time around no platform will hold back the overall quality of our beloved games. Cherish!!
for whatever reason "the master race" isn't happy though
The "master race" people are mostly just a bunch of nerds that really don't care THAT much about games. They mostly just like to pimp up a computer case and make it look really nice. With some new state of the art tech ofc... I have both feet in the console and pc world and have a 2500$ computer that I build myself. Was it worth it? Are the games THAT much better? Are there so many games that are great that justify it? No,no and hell no. Was it worth building something cool? Hell yeah! So before I ramble anymore, I have a really nice pc and I have yet to see a game that is so spectacular better on a pc. Will this change now as consoles get better hardware and developers make games that take advantage of it? I hope so...I really do.
Good point sir. I always wanted to build a super computer. But 1) not enough money to make one. Lol and 2) not sure if it will justify me spending that amount to make my games look good. Maybe if I make enough money one day I'll do it.
Historically, people that call themselves the "master race" don't have a very happy life. It's too bad there are so many idiots on here that make us PC gamers look bad.
I only see the " master race/PC gamers aren't happy" things from people who are not PC gamers...
It's not gaming console, it's a beast !
Exactly. Even PC hardware is more powerful. But the system bandwidth is bottleneck by DDR3 system ram and PCIE lane. Duplicate data between system ram and vram is seriously inefficient.
does your pc has 8gddr5 for gaming? no .. so sftu PS4 spec are stronger than any pc, P gfx are bearly getting 6gddr5 this year.. by 2014 guy guys will start havign the same specs.. and i'm talking about specs not even support .. thanks to Sony you guys support for this kind of specs will be there for the years to come ... in 3 more years you may be able to do 4k in the same multiplat game with 120fps and that okay you deserve it since you are investing a lot more money..
PC doesn't need 8gb gddr5, ps4 was built to be future proof for as long as possible so they splurged. When PS4 launches PC will about be ready for DDR4 ram and GDDR6 in 2014. And later in 2014 New GPUs will come out that should be substantially better on 22nm and new architecture. PS4 has great hardware but a consoles advantage will always be in its uniform specs and experienced developers that get to concentrate on making consoles games
and I agree but by the time PS4 is out is superior to what you have and i agree soon you will be able to buy better specs but it will not made a bigger difference, I bet devs will even have a hard time using the real power of the ps4 let alone new the on PC .. And until the Ps5 come out, devs will be force to upgrade into new tech 128gb of gddr?"6""10&quo t;.. will be in the PS5 by i'm guessing 2020 .. the same dates 8k tvs start been commercial and time for Sony to use their Playstation name to play 8k movies just like PS4 will play 4k movies and the ps3 played 2k movies.. thats the future and you don't need a magic ball to se it.
May I please correct you... the PS4 doesn't have 8GB of GDDR5 RAM... the GDDR5 is on the graphics card... and it's likely around 1GB like most graphics cards are... or maybe 2GB of it maximum. The number 8 is actually talking about the amount of RAM... which would be DDR3 as DDR5 RAM hasn't been released yet.
I don't know. I just feel like Sony bent over for the developers. I mean all of their first party studios make amazing games. Only the multiplat devs complained about the architect. Instead of trying to reach the potential that the cell had they were lazy. Eh I could be wrong but fact is Sony first party studios always made games to push all the play stations. On another note. Now we won't hear developers complain and the ps4 won't have the weaker version of a multiplat now. Unless the developers are even more lazy lol.
I hear what you are saying and from a BC stand point, I agree. I think the cell had all kinds of potential, but the PS3 was the only system in the industry using the chip so it made it hard for Devs... They are used to it now, but with all of the crying and bashing Sony received, them switching over to something more common isn't a surprise. After all it is the developers that really make your system. Sony has great first party devs that will crank out quality with or without the cell. Now Sony has every other developer very happy and that can only mean massive support and we can skip half a generation of shoddy ports.
Yeah your right. We get good games from all devs right from the start. Bubbles for you for understanding and replying with a good point.
Most devs focus on the consoles. So with consoles coming to par with PC, everybody wins. Gaming is moving to the next level.
It doesn't matter when it comes down to multiplatform games. The developers will make them look identical for Xbox 720, ps4, and PC. They want to get as many sales as possible. They know not to make one look way better than the other so it won't hurt sales. Now where we will see the systems shine is with exclusives. That's where the team is only focused on making there game shine. This is where ps4 has the advantage. At least for now until big money Microsoft shows us what they have to offer.
Since game developers are coding multiple cores, can't wait for PC's game to be able to finally use those extra cores on my CPU.
PC guys don't understand that the PC is currently held back by old architecture in both older PC's and consoles. When PS4 brings forth more powerful games then PC games will have no choice but to keep up and leave the older PC's behind. If you're a PC gamer this is a good thing not a bad thing. You will get better graphics and more going on screen etc. PS4 is not the enemy.
Personally i would like PC devs to focus completely on PC to make the best games they can on PC. Console devs are able to do much more on limited console hardware because they focus completely on their chosen console platform. So imagine what PC devs would be able to do with PC if they completely only focus on PC. I do however understand from a business perspective why PC devs would have to consider consoles as well. Console gaming is quite profitable afterall. As a PS + PC gamer i would benefit a lot more if each specific devs would focus on their respective platforms. It's the reason why i have these two specific platforms. It is kinda sad seeing many PC devs try and cater for consoles as well. I like many PC gamers have seen the negative effects this has had on recent PC games. In saying this though i don't blame them for wanting more money. Basically i don't want console specs to factor in PC devs minds because i want PC devs to focus on PC specs only and make the best engine and games they can on PC. This would benefit the overall gaming industry more with them pushing the boundaries further that would help console devs as well. I think that PC devs pushing the boundaries in PC gaming would help all gaming rather than consoles having comparable specs to PC. I always celebrated the uniqueness offered in gaming and i wish this uniqueness will be maintained.
I like the rest of you can`t wait for ps4 to come out and it`s going to be great for pc and the new xbox . Ps4 being very close to pc`s internal workings will be fantastic for everybody . Just one thing really worries me . How on earth will Sony stop hacked ps4 games being played on pc ? . Am I wrong thinking this ? . Imagine Killzone 4 on torrent sites a week or two before releasing on ps4 !! . Hackers are clever people . They will find a way .
After reading through your comments, I am thinking that Sony, and the developers that have praised the ps4, needs to prove the Ps4 capabuilities. Not on a stage, but on the floor (E3) with gamers playing. Not PR people. And the quality needs to be higher in order to truely impress us. Pc gamers seem to quite unified in the belief that PS4 will only be capable of 2012 PC graphics. And until Sony proves that statement wrong with gamers on the E3 floor, I must confess that the PC Gamers MIGHT be right. Don't get me wrong, I do not belive this is the case, I am merly stating that they might be. I belive Sony is hard at work trying to see how much they can squeese out of the ps4 (Overclocking?). I believe it is plausible that this is the case, and think they will end up on around 2Ghz for the Cpu (and 1Ghz for the GPU due to multipliar). I am no techie, but it seems likely to me at least. I also believe that the developers were surprised at sonys 8gb anouncement, and is hard at work trying to squeese in as much as possible into the E3 demos. They obviously have quite limited time to improve the demos. About 4 months. But I am hopeful that they will be able to impress us at E3. Only time will tell. Anyway it seems we will never be able to agree before Sony and the developers show their hand at E3. The February 20th anouncement seemed hastily put together, and therefor I believe they are saving the best for E3. (Sorry for any misspelling in advance) What do you people think?
next xbox will hold back the games cause it is significantly less powerful than PS4
Pretty idiotic statement considering No specs have been officially revealed. But if your going off rumors (1.64 tflops) and (8GB DDR3) that's still within range of PS4 . And don't worry you can always fall back to your beloved exclusives if that's the case
it is not 1.64 tflops moron, it is only 1.2, not to mention the bandwidth of the memory is only a third of the PS4's. You don't understand these, stupid?
To cyhm3112 What I stated was based on 98% of rumors (Leaked Specs). So you must have Xbox 720's spec sheet MS sent to you!! Please post what MS confirmed to you with the rest of the world. Because you now claim it's 1.2 Tflops and 4GB of DDR??? 1!!!lol Sounds like you pulled that from your butt shaft.. lol
Graphical monstrosity is not the word. I mean, MS and SONY has done wonderfully with just 512m of memory. Man! I can't even imagine what Sony/MS can do with 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Huge worlds to explore, breathtaking graphics & lighting, jaw dropping end Boss fights, and hours of voice acting and BGM. I don't know about you guys but I think the PC gamers are going to go GAGA for consoles this GEN. Consoles RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Manufactures will sell chip sets with new configurations based off the upcoming consoles. What this does, is help insure that the costs involved are at least partially subsided. The more this tech is used outside of consoles, the faster the cost of it will go down. Everyone gets to be happy.
If anything it will hurt PC platform The reason PC sales are so low is because the PS3/360 have pretty much all the same AAA games the PC does PLUS MORE, making PC platform kind of irrelevant. Last game was The Witcher 2 , at the time,exclusive to PC. Though I did pirate Crysis 3 on PC because theres no way I was going to give EA $$$ for that. I've hardly used my gaming PC this generation due to 99% of the games being available on my PS3 or 360. The platform just doesnt have the attraction it once did back in 2000.
Only going to keep getting better- PS1 - 2mb PS2 - 32mb PS3 - 512mb PS4 - 8GB PS5 - 128GB PS6 - 2TB PS7 - 32TB PS8 - 512TB PS9 - 8PB
There will be NO PS5 bro! Sorry to bust your Sony Bubble but this is it! The more you consolers try to pretend your not PC Gamers the more your systems become PC's. It's over Bro. Next go round you just download what ever Sony/MS game unto what ever device you got. Media is Dead PC's are going into TV's PC's are taking over the living room Tablets will be more powerful than Next Gen consoles in a year building a console box is too costly All things will go through the PC......The future is Good!
Heard that before with both PS3 and PS4 too. PC will remain as a backseat driver to consoles because consoles have fixed hardware. The benefits of this mean there is a certain hardware standard that devs must follow. Without this gaming will fall apart. You enjoy your PC but remember without consoles mobile gaming would have destroyed you so be thankful.
Last time I checked it was PC sales that were falling short not consoles. TVs are still TVs and people still like to sit around them. For example, I just went to my home boys house yesterday to buy a dub and spent 20 minutes watching them play FIFA 13, then we switched to HBO Go and watched The Wire. If all they had was a PC I would have bounced three hours before I did. Tablets aren't practical for living room entertainment, and constantly having to upgrade individual parts is not an everyday american kind of thing. We want things that just plug in and work. PCs are far from that. Elements of PCs are being carried over to more controlled environments like consoles and smart TVs, but every few people have their PCs hooked up to their TVs, and even fewer are going to see the need if their consoles and TVs are already doing what people want them to do. I love your enthusiasm, but your just not dealing with reality. PCs are open so they will always be the genesis of innovation and always ahead of the curve in one way or an other. But it's that same openness that keeps the platform from reaching that plug and play feel that is key in the living room. Wow, my bad. /End rant
Won't the PC overtake the PS4 by 2015? Won't PC gamers be held back again by the consoles in a just a few short years?
So a website call "Society and Religion" has nothing to do with either? What the f*ck?
@NathanExplosion If it were NOT for Pc's , consoles would not exist. However now we are going to have a New pc disguised as a PS4 and xbox360/720 already a disguised pc, is there any need for fanboyism? This should hopefully bring us all together in one Big happy family...;)