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Could The Apple iPhone Compete With DS and PSP?

Apple CEO Steve Jobs made the big announcement on Thursday in regards to the iPhone SDK. He stated that the SDK will launch today, with the big iPhone 2.0 software update, and first apps, coming in June. With apparent support from Sega and EA though, it begs the question, could Apple compete in the handheld gaming market with the Nintendo DS and Sony PSP?

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TheMART3366d ago

No... One really needs some buttons to smash, to be able to hit them really and not only touch on screen...

Funny the iPhone can do some games, but I don't see a God of War like the PSP one playing on it as good as it does on the PSP

butterfinger3366d ago

This is mostly a perk for people who already have an iPhone or iPod Touch or those that are getting ready to pick one up. I don't think this will really push units for Apple.

Kholinar3366d ago (Edited 3366d ago )

"Funny the iPhone can do some games, but I don't see a God of War like the PSP one playing on it as good as it does on the PSP"

I agree. I also don't think that Phantom Hourglass would play on the PSP as well as on the DS. I doubt most of the iphone exclusive games will play at all on the PSP, though they might on the DS with a motion adapter.

So, I guess that means that sometimes games on a platform are developed for the hardware on that platform. Competition is about a lot more than that.

Anyway, this is competing with two markets. 1) mp3 players and 2) smartphones/pdas. With this many apps available the mp3 market could be completely destroyed (think possible monopoly hearings) and with smartphones it just has to do with what platform you like best. Keep in mind though that Apple is within 13% of having as large of a market share as market-leader RIM (blackberry) in 9 months. Whereas the blackberry has been out for 9 years.

I don't think Apple cares about dominating the handheld console market. They've got bigger goals.

vagina3366d ago

no... iphone $400 with two year phone plan (only dumb apple fans buy it as most smartphones out there can do everything an iphone can and more) DS $129 no contract... already has hundreds of games (thousands if you count GBA games as well)

Kholinar3366d ago (Edited 3366d ago )

Well, it'll be interesting. I don't think the goal is to beat/destroy Sony or Nintendo. But the strength for Apple will be that business/non-game apps plus the games will make people consider a Touch ($229 refurb) that wouldn't ever consider a DS. That's why Nintendo is working hardcore to develop non-game apps... to break that barrier.

I think it will do well because of the incentive to developers. Think about it.

If EA wants to develop for the PSP, it has to pay $2500 per employee/set of employees that are going to develop for them. They already have Intel Macs, so all they would pay to Apple is $99. No advertising is needed. Every iphone/touch user will see their app.

If a small developer wants to develop for the PSP they have that same $2500 investment. If they develop for Apple they buy a refurb MacBook for $700 to 900 or a refurb Mac Mini for $400 and then pay $100 to be a developer. They can develop it completely using the SDK before they ever have to pay that fee. Again, no advertising needed, no hosting, no packaging... and they compete on even ground with EA.

The second part is what will make some truly killer games. Competition in this arena could be far more fierce than it is in the DS/PSP world, because everyone has a realistic shot at being the biggest app in on the platform. No one can be easily dominated. Ideas and the best implementation will win. Just as it should be. And, if someone develops something truly amazing, there's 100 million dollars in a trust fund that can help them build their business into something that can compete on other platforms as well. Like funding development kits... Plan on most of the really successful iphone/touch apps coming to the DS (with the motion detector attachment).

I think it's good for everyone.

Tempist3366d ago

No... The EA/Apple relationship is one similar to that of the normal guy (EA) having to hang out with the rich snotty kid (Apple) and having to put up with his boasts and crap because their moms are old friends. Really EA wants to be out and about with the general population so just pretends to hang out with fore mentioned snotty kid.

It's really just a front. And won't go far.

VirusE3366d ago

2 Year plan? You are misinformed my friend. I have pay as you go and it is only about 10 bucks more a month than the contract plan.

On a side note, i effing hate apple and hop they die.... but man i love my iphone, it is pure tech sex. LOL.

Kholinar3366d ago (Edited 3366d ago )

"No... The EA/Apple relationship is one similar to that of the normal guy (EA) having to hang out with the rich snotty kid (Apple) and having to put up with his boasts and crap because their moms are old friends."

Who cares if it's EA or Ubisoft? Insert game company here. So far, in less than 24 hours we have EA, Team17, Sega, and John Carmack from id software all expressing extreme enthusiasm about the SDK. Most game companies/publishers haven't even had a chance to comment. But you can bet that any developer with a Intel Mac already has it on their harddrive.

They'd be idiots if they didn't at least try the market with such low costs. People talk about how low costs are for the Wii and how it's easier to develop for. This is even easier and far cheaper.

I don't understand people like you. If one innovative developer comes out of this that is able to cross-platform we all win. It's so stupid to pan the whole thing just because you snuggle with your fave platform every night.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The game part is just a sidenote in this announcement. It's nice to see that things are just as open and free-thinking around here. Some might remember that the exact same thing about both the wii and the ds. Sorry, with that sort of record I don't accord much respect to these predictions.

Tempist3366d ago

" I don't understand people like you. If one innovative developer comes out of this that is able to cross-platform we all win. It's so stupid to pan the whole thing just because you snuggle with your fave platform every night. "

First off, who's this 'we' you're referring to? Because quite frankly, I don't think many people outside the US own an iPhone. So right off the bat, it's quite the limited market. Second, since iPhones outside the US are hacked, it's very likely that any new update will probably null and void gaming opportunities on those hacked phones. That puts gaming to those iTouches out there, but that's still not a phone.

Now, as for 'innovation', no. Mobile gaming has been out and about for a long time. Some have mentioned the failure of the over focus of gaming and phones ie N-Gage. (which is apparently from hear-say on the way to come back.)

All and all I find very much so the current development of mobile communication technology to be A) gimmicky B) fad-tastic C) Less about it's primary use D) Pretentious.

All I want is a phone that can make calls, give me the time and date. Hell, I'm willing to bet that a majority of people are really only using 10% of all that a cellphone can do.

Kholinar3365d ago (Edited 3365d ago )

"First off, who's this 'we' you're referring to?"

People who pan a platform before there's any indication of how good it will be.

"Because quite frankly, I don't think many people outside the US own an iPhone. So right off the bat, it's quite the limited market. Second, since iPhones outside the US are hacked, it's very likely that any new update will probably null and void gaming opportunities on those hacked phones. That puts gaming to those iTouches out there, but that's still not a phone. "

Depends. Apple is currently the second largest smartphone manufacturer. Just a bit below Rim as I said earlier. It's number 5 in individual handsets. Not bad considering 9 months compared to something like the Razr V3, which has been out for years. You're right though, the US is a limited market, so that's the only place where Apple has to compete with Sony or Nintendo. Also I've never said that Apple would win, just that it could be fabulously profitable for new/small developers and could produce some really innovative things in the software realm. Which leads to your next statement.

"Now, as for 'innovation', no. Mobile gaming has been out and about for a long time. Some have mentioned the failure of the over focus of gaming and phones ie N-Gage. (which is apparently from hear-say on the way to come back.) "

I'm not sure what a terrible game handheld has to do with the iphone. Just because it also had a phone with it doesn't mean it compares in any way. Enterprise has proven that such a combination can be immensely useful. As for innovation, all I'm saying is that developers could come up with something really special. Unless you have a time machine, I'm not sure how you could even propose to know anything about what they will and won't do. This initiative has nothing to do with Java apps on phones or any other previous initiative to put games on phones. And that's made abundantly clear from statements like the one from John Carmack.

"All and all I find very much so the current development of mobile communication technology to be A) gimmicky B) fad-tastic C) Less about it's primary use D) Pretentious.

All I want is a phone that can make calls, give me the time and date. Hell, I'm willing to bet that a majority of people are really only using 10% of all that a cellphone can do."

That's fine. That's exactly how I feel and why I have a Rizr and a Touch. But the iphone in this debate should be considered in spite of the phone. If it's a good platform then that's all that matters. Because a lot of people (certainly as many as own psp's) do value such combined functionality. One only has to look at smartphone sales numbers to see that. And the biggest reason why people don't use more than 10% of their cell phone's features is because those apps/features are either crappy or impeded by their carrier's ads/portals.

Tempist3365d ago

You mention combined functionality in the iPhone... Wouldn't the point that the PSP now has Skype functionality and a huge homebrew community behind i make turning a iPhone into a game device look like an uphill battle?

My final word on this is that anyone, even EA, hoping to bank on iPhone to gaming, are best off keeping that money in the bank.

Kholinar3365d ago

Well, the iphone and touch will have skype too soon. Plus the both the hacker and development community look very strong.

What money? $100? That's hilarious. So... a programmer should follow your advice and not waste any of his time or money ($100) cause it's going to flop. There's no downside. If you waste your time I guess that's bad but money? If there's any chance of any game being a hit. Lets say you have a $10 game and 100 people download it (a tiny, tiny percentage of the iphone/touch base), you make back 7 times your initial investment. If it's marginally more popular (say 10000) you make $70k. Not bad.

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Tempist3366d ago

The iPhone will take over hand held gaming as well as it is taking over PC gaming...

Oh wait...

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