The first commercial for Microsoft's HD DVD Add-on for the Xbox 360 has made it's way onto Youtube.
Awesome got to have one of thoses babys.HDDVD
They should add a moron with one leg with a t-shirt saying BluRay to the video trying to dance, but falling of the stage actually.
That would pin the sale of the HD-DVD for sure! ;)
LOL, or a fat guy chasing a donut attached to his forehead. No offence, just saw it in Family guy once.
i was thinking the exact same thing, i was just hoping for it
Or put in a wheelchair with a crippled dinosaurus in it, wearing a t-shirt saying Betamax on the frontside and BetaBluRay on the backside!
don't quit your day job Mcfly.
But seriously no, it would not resemble that notion in any way. If Blu-ray was to be represented in this commercial properly, it would first have at least 15 dancers flip on to the stage interrupting the hdd dancers and then to show that blu-ray expands beyond the movie aspect, it would also have a band come unto the stage to play the music for the dancers. This would represent the gaming aspect of the blu-ray format revealing that blu-ray brings unification of both movie lovers and gamers as it did the dancers and the band. That's next-gen for you. Can't wait for the Blu-ray commercials.
LMAO nice one TheMart
Saying in a smurf voice, "I hate HD-DVD", but then after watching the dancers say's in a whisper, "I love HD-DVD", and has a tear going down his face as he's packing his bags.
Ok, seriously though, We see it all so complete now, the Xbox 360 has not rushed but methodically released everything with a certain point in mind. PERFECTION.
Not like sony's so called online, but well thought out and tested. It's a more than complete gaming system and I love it and all its so offering in such a bad ass way. Too bad sony has wasted all there soon or not so soon owners of the so called ps3.
Also, let's not all forget, the HDMI (if needed) cable is now shown to be coming dec.1st and may also be included in the HD-DVD offering for no extra charge.
The same thing happening but a white guy comes in with Blue-Ray T-Shirt and hangs all the black kids.
Sony is Racist.
LOL, just making fun of them for making that dumb Billboard.
and it was denined. No hard feelings or anything but, can someone please tell me what I did wrong so i can fix it next time? Sometimes it feels like this place has a feel staff members and some like some articles, while others dislike the same ones. Maybe i'm way off? I don't know. I just like this site and want the best way to post news from my site.
Its going to be ncie to see when PS3 are selling like hotcakes and blu-ray is going to be everywhere! The OPTIONAL Hd-DVD drive will be collecting dust on the store shelves. Thats gonna be so funny.
600 dollar PS3 sold out in minutes, Its a PLAYSTATION people, a PLAYSTATION!!!
Blu-Ray is going to be everywhere, not 100% of 360 owners will get the optional HD-DVD drive, but 100% of PS3 owners will get the Blu-RAY player, once again, MS messed up, Sony beat them. This is too funny.
Not to reiterate but it's too true not to.
"not 100% of 360 owners will get the optional HD-DVD drive, but 100% of PS3 owners will get the Blu-RAY player"
Now who is going to win? Odds are saying that by next year when sony ships more ps3s for its fanbase of millions, Blu-ray will be the winner.
the ps3 will help blu ray, but will all of those people have HD tv's? and therefore actually buy blu-ray discs?
if nobody is interest in buying their whole collection over again(which most are not) both formats are useless.
Non of those people have to have an hdtv, if they have the PS3, which has the blu-ray player, thats all Sony needs. As long as the blu-ray player is in the house, so whenever the home owner decides to buy an HDTV, he/she will not think twice about buying another HD pLayers, they already have one.
And lets be honest, people are going to be buying HDTV's its the future. Its like saying, back in the 50's, no one will buy a color tv.
gotta agree with boink. Both formats are not going to make it. Maybe if the mass market had already embraced and owned HDTVs in a majority of homes, either might have a shot.
John Q. public doesn't even know what bluray or HDDVD are and doesn't want to shell out to rebuy their dvd collection.
Also these companies need to put out high definition disks on either format that people will be wowed over. Come on, blurays 1st dual layered 50gig disk is freakin Click. Not the kind of movie that screams wow.
Both are going to be laserdisc 2.0, a niche market at best in a few years until some better technology replaces it, or digital distribution takes off.
you keep thinking that. they will be sold out everywhere. all the time. unless idiots will pay 2400 dollars for one on ebay. or be the lucky ones to get a ps3.
doubt it, i dont know anyone who has faith in sony anymore, all my friends have 360, and at the end of the day we dont need blu ray or hd dvd, if i want to play either format ill just buy a duo format dvd player wen they come out, the ps3 is going to have a strugle selling itself on its own merrits, blu ray aint going to sell it, the price is off putting, and sorry but it dont have much game support, sony are spinners its prolly not even more powerful then 360, but they wouldt let that cat outa the bag cos they would never sell a console if it was true, im a consumer and i have enough brains to decide what dvd format i want, and i dont want a console as a dvd player, whats the point of putting xtra wear n tear on my console?
I was playing GRAW online with Jin the other night. This guy is a [email protected]
they both will be good but for me it's about the video game experience, (hence the word video game console)and aslong as i can play my games movie playback is extra but i dont want to have to pay extra (hd-dvd) nor do i want to be forced to purchase something that i dont need (blue-ray) and thats why i like and support microsofts decision, because they put that choice into the consumers hands unlike sony wich forces you to buy something that might be good in the long run but the key word is MIGHT, and in my situation it probally wont ever be good so im ok with the standard dvd player thats in the xbox360 and if they incorporate the xvid and divx options i will really say the hell with the other products :) so horray for xbox360 and booooooooo for the ps3
If you wanna play Resistance on 5 DVDs, be my guest. Blu-ray was the right choice to make for gamers since it was put in, you guessed it, for gamers! =]
I mean, come on. Developers are joyous over having 6 times the storage capacity of dual-layer DVDs because it lets them create the amount of content that they want to create, without any compromises to quality or limits on artistic freedom. When 360 developers are already complaining about the limits of its DVD drive you know something's up.
By the end of 2006 there'll be an HDTV in approximately 1 out of 5 homes in the U.S. With the ownership of HD televisions comes the need for HD content, and the PS3 gives consumers premium value at a very reasonable price. No need for expensive add-ons, upgrades, or annual fees since everything is included right out of the box.
Time on time again so much bull DJ
Resistance is just a good example of lame programming and probably too much CGI stuff going on there.
Last gen average:
2001: just under 2 GB
2006: about 3 to 4 GB. MAX SL-DVD
Growth about 50% to 100% in 5 years. Project that on this new gen:
2005/2006 games: starts at SL-DVD even Oblivion
End of this lifecycle: 50% to 100% of that, which is 6 GB to one DL-DVD
And Gears of War with 12 hours of SP and 10 MP maps looks better and is better then Resistance. So what's the point exactly?
Just compare it to this:
Doom 3, somewhere between 3 and 4 GB for last gen and a great game
Terminator 3, about 6 GB of pure sh!t, man that game was sooooo bad (as was the programming)
Now there you have it. And have you read the new techniques that compress data by 70%? You've just been raped by Sony costprice 300 dollars BluRay, while the good old DVD just adds 20 dollar to the costprice of an console. That's what's fills Sony's empty pockets!
"600 dollar PS3's sold out in minutes, Its a PLAYSTATION people, a PLAYSTATION!!!"
Hmmmmm why did it sell out so fast, I wonder if the amount of units available had anything to do with it ? lol
And besides didnt the Xbox 360 also sell out on release ? huh
However, you forget that when the ps3 sells out, so does the blu-ray player. When 360 sells out, hdd player doesn't. Blu-ray is definitely at an advantage. I would complain about how Sony is forcing the format down my mouth, but whenever i reminisce on the first time both ps2 and xbox came out with dvd players, I realize that wow, if not for those systems, i would still be using a vcr. Therefore, its my conclusion that just the same way ps2 with the built in dvd helped to usher me into the previous gene, ps3 and blu-ray will once again help usher the world into the next generation. There is nothing wrong with being given a hand into the next gen. We can all thank Sony for creating such innovative motifs that help everyone get a taste of the next generation of entertainment.
Wasn't this about the 360 HD DVD "MOVIE" player? I think this HD DVD player is a good "add-on" if you want to get into HD movies....I just think its funny that DJ always has a negative comment about anything 360 related, and I know the same goes for SOME 360 fanboys but don't complain so much when you are just as guilty with comments like this:
"If you wanna play Resistance on 5 DVDs, be my guest."
-uhm, no thanks....I would rather play GOW on the 1 DVD it will be released on....and maybe Bioshock, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell, Halo 3 and so many more all on 1 disk.....and finally next year this time, when there are some titles "I'm" interested in like MGS4, I'll pick up a PS3, but by then I'm sure "I" won't remember, uhm, ah-oh yeah Resistance.
BTW, I'm curious, if a game like say GOW was indeed on 2 disks....would it ruin the whole experience, in other words does having to switch the disk after __ hrs. of gameplay mean its a "bad" game?...or is ____ a better game than RE4 because it was only 1 disk? please enlighten me, DJ or anyone who has a logical reply.
That Microsoft doesn't allow their devs to let their games span multiple discs unless it's for bonus content. It's partially for damage control. If 360 titles came on multiple discs while titles that looked just as good or better on PS3 only used one, the media would paint the situation as blatant proof that the 360 is behind in its disc technology.
The main reason behind this decision is that games which span multiple discs also require additional QA, and there are lots of games that would suffer horrifically from being split up across multiple discs. Grand Theft Auto and the Jak series are just a small example.
FeralPhoenix, along with many other people, use Gears of War as an example of how DVDs are perfectly fine for gaming. The problem with this logic is that Gears of War is a linear gameplay experience. Splitting it right down the middle would be perfectly fine. The developers would be able to add more content, beef up the graphics, get higher quality and a larger variety of audio, etc.
But now that the game is on two discs, the question now is on which disc the developer should put the multiplayer content. Should everything be placed on disc 1 or disc 2? Should it be placed on both? What if the multiplayer data eats too much into the single-player content of the discs? The only choice the developers would have is to spread the game across 3 discs instead, or cut down certain gameplay elements.
It's a simple scenario that gets a lot worse once 'sandbox games' are thrown in the scenario. For example, in the Jak Series you can literally go from one side of the world to the other within a minute, and often times the missions jump 20~50 miles within a very short time frame. Switching discs every 10 minutes would be ridiculous, especially considering the amount of non-linear mission/event sequences.
Solution? Make everything linear and just create the illusion of an open world. Sure you're hiding hardware difficiencies through clever gameplay setups, but that's besides the point. The point is that games should not be dictated by hardware limitations and Sony understands this. It's why they chose to include a CD drive in the PS1 when everyone else was using cartridges. It's why they chose the use DVDs on the PS2 when CDs were already an established and proven format. The common argument before each launch was that Sony was wrongfully forcing unproven tech onto consumers when in fact they'd be doing a great disservice to their customers if they held back game developers from achieving their technological and artistic goals.
This does not mean that Xbox 360 games are somehow going to be bad because they're on DVD, and anyone who states really needs to take a good look at the past. N64 titles, while held back by space limitations, were still fun. There wasn't enough room for cinematic videos since the game data was already being squeezed into 32~64 MB of space, but it didn't matter to most gamers. PS1 games in comparison ranged from 200MB to 2.8GB(4 discs, Final Fantasy 8 & 9), but that didn't stop developers from making such great titles as Smash Bros, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart, and Goldeneye. But there's also no telling how much better those titles could've been had the developers not been limited by storage capacity.
The best example of the importance of storage capacity difference is comparing the PS1 and N64 versions of WipeoutXL. Anyone arguing that more storage capacity adds nothing to the gameplay experience should see the difference that higher-quality audio, higher quality visuals, and breathtaking cinematic sequences can make.
I believe that your point was well proven within your comment. More storage capacity is indeed a plus no matter how you look at it.
poor jin's having a breakdown over the xfire lamness. or maybe the overheating or weak launch games...
people i have spoken to that arent gamers don't know what blu-ray is and assumed it was a PS3 only format like UMD on the PSP, they were very confused... if this is how the public think then sony need a major advertising campaign! lol
Show a link or somthing showing that MS Doesn't allow devs to use multi discs...You are a liar buddy. I'm surprised you have 5 bubbles still. Developers can use what ever they need to make games. The fact of the matter is...NOT one computer game or 360 game that has been released or even planned in the future uses multi DVD's or hd dvd or blu ray. Its simply not needed. And you can't show a link supporting your lies.
Yup in every PS3 is a BR player, so that sells them.
BUT MAIN QUESTION IS
Are gamers the ones that buy BR media?
Movie fanatics want a high quality standalone player. Not a gameconsole. They know about the bad hardware quality of the PS2 and don't want a BR drive to give up on them after 1 or 2 years.
Gamers don't buy the media. Movie fanatics do. And the real choice is made by stand alones where HD-DVD is half the price BR is + the PC market really decides. Look at CD/DVD that really became a hit when PC users got burners for it
And remember: Sony always had expensive formats to push, Betamax, Minidisc, UMD. One thing in common. They all failed. Why should it be any different this time around?
"And remember: Sony always had expensive formats to push, Betamax, Minidisc, UMD. One thing in common. They all failed. Why should it be any different this time around?"
it won't be. if its one thing sony does well, its homegrown format flops.
someone has a PS3 they will atleast have a dvd player that up converts so what would they buy the 30$+ Blu-Ray or the 15-20$ DVD. From an expert himself(guy from the HDTV podcast) its better to have a dvd upconvert then an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray until they have been integrated and perfected and the discs are lowered in price.
Also people aren't going to buy their who dvd collection over in Blu-Ray(they couldn't anyway) and from the limited amount of Blu-Rays coming out you could expect an attachment rate of 2-4 Blu-Ray movies sold in maybe a couple months if not longer.
HD-DVD movies will be cheaper but its the same deal the 25$+ HD-DVD or the 15-20$ DVD? HD-DVD is neither going to have much bigger of a library then Blu-Ray(but I do expect it will have a bigger library). I think you could see an attachment rate of 5-7 in the first couple of months or longer.
Sales will speed up but dvds will still be around for a while but its also foolish to say that hd-dvd and blu-ray will just die out.
Even better, do the math.
At this moment about 5% of all TV's are HD. 5% of all TV's.
So 95% of all people don't want a HD next gen videoplayer. Damn that's the mass of people. Now a % of that people will buy a HDTV the coming years, but at this point in time...
So how many of those 5% HDTV owners really want/need a next gen video format?
Another 5%? The rest waits till they know which format is on top and there is enough content for it. And by that time it might be even streamed through internet.
If ps3 sells, which is obviously going to happen, that can't be bad for blu-ray. Think about the future proof statement that was made about ps3. When people do convert to a HDTV, which they should at least condsider when buying a ps3 or 360, they are going to have the option of buying the 360 and hd-dvd or just using the ps3 with bluray built in. It's a smart way to sell something that isn't really necessary. It's time to welcome change and by that i mean buy something you don't need.
Nothing has changed with sony..I went through about 3 ps2's when I gave up on Sony.
Every time I went to play a game or movie all I ever got was "disc read error" And now with the ps3 Iam sure you can expect the same problems. if you go here to Sony's website http://www.us.playstation.c... and click on question #10 (read the fine print under the answer)You will see Sony is already covering their butts on this problem before the system is even out...
So people may still have the ps3 when they decide to buy a HDTV but that does not mean it will still work.
i feel your pain as i had the same fate of buying a new ps2 because of the "disc read error". I just can't take sides when it comes to the ps3 and 360. I can only hope the hddvd player is very good because every single person that owns a ps3 will be using blu-ray in some form.
First off comparing the situation now to when Sony used DVD's in the PS2, is misleading because DVD's had already been accepted by consumers as the new standard for movie playback, and it was a "vast" improvement over VHS, there was NO "legitimate" competitor either....consumers accepted DVD as the next standard even before PS2 was released.....standalone players sales were already doing well....so that comparison is waaaaaaay off by any stretch of the imagination compared to these new competing formats.
For all your talk about how linear and non-linear games will be affected due to splitting them on two discs, it seems that you have no hard evidence of this being the case, its just what you believe, since there have been some great games of all types on multiple discs....NOW, you say they would need extra Q/A but thats a small consideration because whether a game is on 1, 2 or 3 discs isn't significant because Q/A depends on the amount of content that needs to be inspected and tested not how many discs, in other words if game "A" on multiple disc's had a total of 16 gigs of content VS. game "B" with 1 disc had a total of 20 gigs of content, the Q/A process would still be longer for game "B" because its has more content thats needs to be tested while the 2 discs is a very small factor at best and its just plain fantasy to ASSUME that some of the past greats like Goldeneye would have been better but they were limited by space constraints....well HELL you could say that about every game in history, by that logic in the next gen console even BD games could have been better but they were limited by storage space....uhm NO...thats the whole point the dev's have the space right now to make great games on DVD9 for this particular generation and so far thats what we see, there's nothing wrong with BD but its not needed to make great games because for the next few years DVD9 is sufficient for HD videogame content, especially when theres no genuine reason (other than what you want to believe) that 2 discs would ruin the game or user experience in ANY verifiable way.
Last but not least, since you insist that M$ does not allow dev's to put games on multiple discs.....I would appreciate if you could kindly provide a "LINK" that states this fact....otherwise I will be inclined to file this under the "Sonyfanboy Conspiracy Theory" category, or just plain make believe, like the rest of your post.
You ignored my demonstrations of open-world titles and went straight to the defense of linear titles, but that was expected. DVDs have been around since 1998, but the market penetration was almost nonexistent until the PS2 was released and consumers saw the jump in visual fidelity offered by the format.
PS2 was $300 when it was released in 2000. By that time DVDs had been around for about 2 years and the price of DVD players had dropped from the $1000+ range to $500. Still, there are people who bought the PS2 not just for games, but because it was a cheap, but high quality DVD player.
And contrary to what you believe, DVD did have a rival format. It was called VCD (Video Compact Disc). Though they lacked the visual quality of DVD movies and only had 700 MB of storage capacity, they did fairly well in the Asian market and some analysts believed that since CDs were already an established and cheap format compared to DVD, that VCDs would beat DVDs.
In the end however, consumers chose the superior format. VCDs were basically nonexistent in North America so it's understandable that not many people have heard of it.
"whether a game is on 1, 2 or 3 discs isn't significant because Q/A depends on the amount of content that needs to be inspected and tested not how many discs"
They also have to test the progression of the title and make sure that the breaks involving disc-swapping are flawless, and the more disc-swapping involved the more testing required. Using multiple discs significantly drives up QA costs for Publishers, in addition to the extra money needed to manufacture multiple discs and create cases to hold those discs.
"its not needed to make great games because for the next few years DVD9 is sufficient for HD videogame content"
As I said, it's not that great games won't exist, it's that DVDs will hold back many developers from achieving their true potential. This is a straight repeat of the N64 vs. PS1 debate on storage capacity. You should be happy that PS3 developers will have less data constraints than 360 developers. Additional power and freedom should be welcomed by gamers, not attacked.
I wonder if massive monkees got the gig cuz they're from seattle? Anyway, props to them for their dope routine.
HD DVD and BluRay BOTH LOSE!
It's still way too early for the average consumer to get into HD movies. Early Adopters YES!, my 85 year old Grandmother NO!. I'm telling you that it will take a few years for people to adopt this NEW format, just like it took DVD three years before it took off. Trust me, I was one of the poor souls that bought a DVD in the first few months and there wasn't anything to choose from. SUCKED>
DJ, actually I'm not fustrated at all because I appreciate a good civil discussion, and I only attempt to debate issues with a those who actually put some effort in to making a valid point....although I believe most of what you are saying is only wishful thinking on your part.
I wasn't ignoring your comments about open-world titles, like I said you still don't have any hard evidence of 2 disc's being "bad" for a game, then also don't forget that Oblivion is already an example of a huge open-world game, and also the point you make about "sandbox" type games seems very weak, because there's a great IGN "hands-on" review of the new Superman 360 game which is a "sandbox" type game and as IGN praised the size, detail, and scope of the area, now despite whether or not the game will be any good, my point is that its a huge *"HD" sandbox game on DVD9, where you can fly all over the place very quickly. Now if I'm wrong, and you disagree.....well then give me a modern day example of any 360 game thats was "cut" or limited because it needed more space-"link please".
uhm, your whole scenario on DVD not having market penetration before the PS2 was released is again wishful thinking....DVD players, and movies were selling well, I'm not saying they were flying out the door in 1998, but by 1999 they had a substantial market penetration...and the 1st yr sales figures compared to BD &HD DVD are not even close.
Yeah, I know about VCD's but to say that it was ever a "format war" between the two, is again delusional, the fact that you even said they were almost Non-existent in North America, well that says enough itself.-VCD was not a serious rival.
Now your logic for why multiple disks games is flawed, yes it may increase the Q/A costs for that particular game but its still a minute %, compared to the other factors as I stated before. It's ridiculous to imply that testing progression of a 2 disc game by "Swapping" out disc's is going to send the Q/A costs "through the roof".
You say: "DVDs will hold back many developers from achieving their true potential."
Again DJ, this is just wishful thinking on your part, there are great games now on DVD, great future games on DVD, and who are you to say the dev's are not achieving their true potential....yeah, if your opinion is there are a few "bad" 360 games I would agree, but there a plenty great ones too IMO, but the fact is you can't say(no proof)that any of them were HELD BACK because of storage space, and the key is "IF" more space is needed they CAN use 2 discs.....and if you honestly believe that then you could say that about every game that was ever made, even BD games.....because I could SPECULATE (just like you) that RFOM is being held back because even though its 22+gigs....Isomniac dev's could not reach their true potential because BD won't hold 15 more gigs of CGI/5 more language versions/"extra content" our fans love/or maybe even 4D graphics, lol-(OK, the last one was a joke) :)but you see my point.
Finally DJ, it seems that you are the one ignoring things, because you conveniently forgot to provide a "link" for the ACCUSATION that M$ has does not allow dev's to utilize 2 or more discs. Again its just wishful thinking on your part, because the overwhelming majority of gamers could care less about having to "swap" a disc, Im sure M$ knows this so too, so if any dev "NEEDED" more space, given M$'s reputation towards dev's and most importantly their fanbase, its ridiculous to say they would interfere....the truth is that compression techniques on DVD are more than sufficient so far.....I have no problem with PS3 dev's having more space to fill with "extra content" its just I care more about the core game experience, my DVD movies have a bunch of "extra content" too....but personally I never really get around to checking it out, after I watch the MOVIE....but thats just me. In any case I would appreciate the link for your ACCUSATION, but I guess you will either come up with a excuse why you don't have one, or you will not respond, or CONVENIENTLY forget again.
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