Submitted by geegeemidnight 903d ago | opinion piece

Third-party Xi3 Piston "Steam Box" console gets $1,000 price tag, but will it be worth it?

"Either way it's starting to look like a tough sell: the Piston (using PC architecture to run Linux and Steam's Big Picture mode), like other forthcoming Steam Box machines, is designed to bring PC gaming to the living room as small-form-factor, modular upgradeable, affordable units. If the Xi3 Piston is anything to go by however, Steam Boxes look set to be just as pricey as next-gen consoles, and not necessarily as powerful, given the size constraints." (PC, Steam, Steam Box, Tech, Valve, Xi3)

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CustardTrout   903d ago | Immature | show
Xaphy  +   903d ago
why would anyone buy this when they can build a pc themselves for that price?
MurDocINC  +   903d ago
$100 "stream" box
$300 steambox
$300+ 3rd party

Gabe in a way stated that.
Spoon_  +   903d ago
I thought xi3 is not the steam Box?
Korezo  +   902d ago
It isn't the steam box, it's a 3rd party hardware. Valve haven't even revealed the steambox.
MikeMyers  +   903d ago
This is one of the issues, trying to identify itself from the mainstream computer user and the hardcore who builds their own. Valve also won't likely sell the hardware at a loss like the console makers often do. That's because Valve does not charge as much for royalties and updates that they do to have software offset hardware costs.

If they can scale the systems to different pricing while making it competitive they might do ok.
porkChop  +   903d ago
Valve actually charges more for royalties. Whereas on consoles the manufacturers take $10 (~15%) on a $60 game, Valve charges 30% for every game on Steam. Even for indie games. So basically, Valve charges twice as much for royalties compared to everyone else. They're able to get away with it because of how popular Steam is.
Pandamobile  +   903d ago

That's only retail games. Console manufacturers take 15% off the top for retail console games (which doesn't happen for PC games).

For all games and content purchased through XBL and PSN, Sony and Microsoft both take a 30% cut, the same as Valve.
bakasora  +   903d ago
Try holding the rig you built with your palm. Because that's how small the steam box is.
Sykoticz  +   903d ago
@Bakasora Try justifying paying $1000 on something that maybe only able to play games on medium-low settings.

I know its small yes it looks cool but building you own rig is so much more rewarding and unique.
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N0S3LFESTEEM  +   903d ago
Seriously though... You could build a pretty worthy gaming rig with that much.

FX-8350 = $200
Radeon 7970 = $450
Asus M5A97 Evo = $100

That's $750... so plenty of headroom for the rest of that build.
gamer234  +   903d ago
so much for PC gaming ,Iam so sticking to console
N0S3LFESTEEM  +   903d ago
@ Gamer234

Just demoing what $1000 can get you... I can build a complete rig for around $650 that will be more than enough for gaming. $1000 is actually the sweet spot for building a rig that will last.
TheRealSpy  +   903d ago
The sweet spot for a rig that will last is closer to 1300-1500.

and even that PC will show it's age after 4 or 5 years.

i still think it's totally worth it though. running games like crysis 3 and wither 2 on max settings is glorious! if the "next gen" consoles manage to look as good as crysis 3, i'd be surprised.
Irishguy95  +   903d ago
800 sweetspot Mid range gaming, upgrade with another 250 Gpu in 3-4 years.

Lasts for long time

Edit - Just saw Tomb Raider for 30 dollars on CDkeyhouse. New game for 30 quid. PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming in the end.
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Utalkin2me  +   903d ago
So 250 more bucks you can get a case, power supply, memory, hard drive and operating system for 250 bucks?

Its not even close guy. At least console gaming you can trade or sell your games and get half your money back. Or just rent tomb raider like i did for 10 bucks and have it beat and return it in 3 days. Not like im going to be playing it over and over.
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shoddy  +   903d ago
This is madness!!!
CEOSteveBallmer  +   902d ago
This is Sparta!!!!!!
showtimefolks  +   903d ago
if Valve think they can charge anywhere near $1000 and compete with ps4 or next xbox than they are not thinking straight, for $1000 you could build a killer PC yourself

also like someone said earlier many think Valve charges less for royalties but they actually charge more, consoles charge 15% while Valve charges 30% even to indie developers
CapsLocke  +   903d ago
Valve has nothing to do with charging for this device.
hellvaguy  +   903d ago
"why would anyone buy this when they can build a pc themselves for that price?"

Why would anyone buy a store built desktop pc when you can build that for half the price with better parts? Yet complete build pc's far number people who build their own. I build my own desktops and try convincing all my family and friends to do the same, yet some of them "just don't want to deal with the hassel".
Xaphy  +   902d ago
because most people aren't into gaming? I'm talking from a gamer's perspective here.
yewles1  +   903d ago
BEGEEZUZ!!!! 0_0??????
Pinkamena_Diane_Pie  +   903d ago
This thing will sink faster and lower than George W. Bush's approval ratings.
Holeran  +   903d ago
And half as fast as Obamas approval ratings and not near as low.
Biggest  +   903d ago
And since Obama's ratings are fairly high (especially compared to Bush)... What's the point again?
Holeran  +   902d ago
Just a jab at our emperor who seems bound and determined to ruin this country one way or another.
Evil-snuggles  +   902d ago
Who know tea baggers where gamers I Thought it was against There crazy ass religion I'm sure it's in the Bible somewhere Not to game isn't that in the Ten Commandments or something Thou shall not game lol lol lol wow
Holeran  +   902d ago
And another uneducated drone^^ enters the conversation.
juandren  +   903d ago
Lol at #1. Turrets syndrome
Rainstorm81  +   903d ago
He guns down any and everything thing he sees??

** Looks at comment #1** Oh Tourette's Syndrome......^_^
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bobtheimpaler  +   903d ago
I never understood the appeal of this. Valve just doesn't have the pull people think they have in attracting casual gamers and console gamers, who likely already have capable PCs. Most, if not all pc gamers wouldn't see the point in it either.

This just outright prices them out of the market.
aliengmr  +   903d ago
Well, better hurry and call Valve and tell them of your amazing discovery.

I love how everybody thinks Valve missed the blatantly obvious.

If it seems absurd maybe you need to rethink what YOU think they are actually doing.
trenso1  +   903d ago
so what are they doing then all knowing one? Because i can't see the reason for such a price when console buyers wont buy it and pc gamers can use that money for upgrades on thier current rig.
bobtheimpaler  +   903d ago
Perhaps you can enlighten me and others then?

What is the business case? I'm sure this may please people who are Valve fanboys for some reason, but there just isn't a strong business case for it which with any product, there needs to be for it to thrive.
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aliengmr  +   903d ago

So because you can't see the reason, Valve hasn't either?

When you look at what Valve is doing through the lens of "entering the console business along side Sony, MS, and rest", it doesn't make sense. Why? Because they aren't doing that.

Valve is NOT making a console. Everybody keeps missing this key point. They are NOT making a console.

What they are doing is pushing Linux and moving the PC off the desktop in various ways. But all anyone heard was Gabe talking about a PC in console-form completely forgetting that is was only a small part of a larger plan.

This Xi3 Piston is Valve testing the waters. Seeing what works and what doesn't. And its also not Valve developing this.

Valve is going to take things very slowly and will be very secretive. They build and don't tell you anything until their done.


Who are you to say it doesn't have a strong "business case"? And why is it you see the obvious and Valve hasn't?

Consider for a moment that your assumption about what Valve is actually doing...is wrong.

This is NOT the Steam-box.
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Ju  +   903d ago
Steam is nice on a PC. BigPicture has potential, but a) burns CPU power (really, Valve??) and b) will only work if PC games get a unified interface - that is: all must support a controller. 80% just don't or not in a consequent way. Doesn't mean that games shouldn't support KB/Mouse. But navigating the user interface with the controller and than no way of configuring the games is pointless.

Linux doesn't work. Just tried downloading Trine2 in Ubuntu...first error message: "Steam folder needs executable rights"...I'm too tired to dig this up now...really?

This looks like a nice box. But for a console it's to expensive and not even fast enough. If there would at least be high end components used, but the APU in the piston is low end.

And you haven't answered any question I still don't know what Valve is up to.
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LordSane  +   903d ago
Stop calling it Steam Box...
Silly gameAr  +   903d ago
That's more than a little pricey. Hopefully, another one will come along at a cheaper price because I really wanted one of these.
Detoxx  +   903d ago
You'll be able to buy a PS4 and Xbox 720 for that money. It's just stupid I don't see anyone buying it
Jihaad_cpt  +   902d ago
There is at least one person I personally feels lacks common sense
Detoxx  +   902d ago
It must be the creater of the Piston
STK026  +   903d ago
Most likely an integrated GPU, or some low end AMD one, really not worth the 1000$ if you're planning on gaming on it. Not only won't it run all the latest game when it comes out, but in a year or two, this will be little more than an overpriced media PC.
EliteDave93  +   903d ago
It's not worth it when you probably can get a PS4 for half that price.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   902d ago
Well said bro!
MontyQ  +   903d ago
lol for a grand you can build a uber pc and even use mini itx if you want a tiny footprint formfactor
r21  +   903d ago
$1000? And additional hundreds dollars more for HD upgrades? No way I can see this thing selling a even a million.
Jek_Porkins  +   903d ago
$1000 for a digital only video game playing computer....seems legit..
CapsLocke  +   903d ago
Theoretically you could simply plug external DVD-rom and install games from disks, but that more like a pain the ass.
sdozzo  +   903d ago
It's the size... But, still way too much cash.
Typical-Guy  +   903d ago
Well, if you could build your own for way less, why bother buy this one!
Genuine-User  +   903d ago
Not worth the price even with its small form factor.
azshorty2003  +   903d ago
For an i3?! No, no thank you. Especially for what I can build for that price.
JsonHenry  +   903d ago
They threw away a lot of R&D for nothing if the cost is really that high. I could build a beast of a machine for that much money.
Shuyin  +   903d ago
I was really into this concept but I'd never spent more than 500 bucks on that thing, lol.
Martywren  +   903d ago
Wow i rather go to utube and learn how too build pc myself.
matrixman92  +   903d ago
do people still not understand that this is NOT the steambox?
theDECAY  +   903d ago
Dude, relax, we read the article. It specifies that this is a "Valve supported third party 'steam box'." Essentially a third party platform, running steam, aimed at moving the PC audience into the living room.

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aliengmr  +   903d ago
Evidently you don't.
theDECAY  +   903d ago

Will Steam not run on this machine? It operates Linux and the aim is Steam Big Picture. I don't understand what you're saying.
theDECAY  +   903d ago
Dang double post.
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kevnb  +   903d ago
wow worst article ever. Its just a pc made by the company thats supposed to be making the steam box, pc. There is no console, and this isnt a steam box...
kevnb  +   903d ago
lets talk about this actual machine. I can see people buying it for what it is. An ultra portable pc with half decent specs. This isnt a gaming machine, its not the steam box, and it certainly isnt a console.
bluetoto  +   903d ago
another terrible website with misinformation. This is NOT the steambox, stop trying to pin negative tones for hits you douchbags.
geegeemidnight  +   903d ago
It says third-party in the title. Though there will be a Valve-made Steam Box, the name "Steam Box" is set to be an identifier for any machine that is portable, running Linux and coming with Steam's Big Picture Mode pre-installed. As Gabe Newell told The Verge, there will be tiers of Steam Box machines, all made by different manufacturers:

"The way we sort of think of it is sort of 'Good', 'Better', or 'Best'," Newell told The Verge. "'Good' are like these very low-cost streaming solutions that you're going to see that are using Miracast or Grid. 'Better' is to have a dedicated CPU and GPU and that's the one that's going to be controlled. Not because our goal is to control it; it's been surprisingly difficult when we say to people 'don't put an optical media drive in there' and they put an optical media drive in there and you're like 'that makes it hotter, that makes it more expensive, and it makes the box bigger'.

"Go ahead. You can always sell the 'Best' box, and those are just whatever those guys want to manufacture. [Valve's position is]: let's build a thing that's quiet and focuses on high performance and quiet and appropriate form factors."
ufo8mycat   903d ago | Trolling | show
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   903d ago
lol GTFO!
nigelp520  +   903d ago
josephayal  +   903d ago
Love the price, day one
theDECAY  +   903d ago
Classic josephayal!
SprigganN4G  +   903d ago
i5 3570K $200
ASRock Z77 Pro3 $90
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2X4) DDR3 2133 $60
HDD 1TB SATA3 7200RPM $70
AMD 7970 $380
Corsair 200R $40
RAIDMAX RX-600AF 600W $55
BluRay Burner (Read and Burn CD, DVD and BRD) $60

$955, and DESTROYS that little shit.

And you've got $45 extra to spend on Steam.
BanBrother  +   903d ago
"And you've got $45 extra to spend on Steam."

Or KFC. Dem herbs and spices...
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