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Braid Dev: New Xbox 'Not Strictly About Games'

Speaking with Edge Online, Blow notes that the new, still-unknown Xbox 360 successor is “not strictly about games,” leading him to PlayStation 4 as a result. (Xbox One)

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xHeavYx  +   1065d ago
Has it ever been? The article picture should be the one below

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Septic  +   1065d ago
Yes. Yes it has. *the old Xbox and 360 that is*
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darthv72  +   1065d ago
dedicated game systems
have not been dedicated for many years now. To be competitive in the industry they had to evolve into more than just games.

PS2 is a good example of bridging a gap between the home entertainment market and the video game market. It transitioned to the ps3 with streaming media and music access and social interaction as well as internet access.

Game systems still play games but they (MS, Sony, Nintendo) are wanting them to do more than that now in light of all the smart devices we have in our lives. so what if your phone can surf the web or your TV can stream netflix. These game systems want to take part in those features as well.

They have to be able to do more to remain relevant in a world that is growing more and more dependent on conveniences.
redDevil87  +   1065d ago | Well said
The Xbox consoles were just a Trojan Horse for MS' to get into the living room and try to to dominate it.
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DonteDemonSlayer  +   1065d ago
"Not strictly about games"
And what console other than the Wii & DS in the last 7 years has just been strictly games? Especially apparent in the past 2 years SONY and MICROSOFT are hoping to capitalize on the booming "Social" networking type approach. Which I'm afraid may just be another passing fad and could hurt them later on, though with the internet being more commonplace than ever that seems unlikely. I'm sure the Nextbox will do all the social abilities that the PS4 is doing, forgetting that consoles are about the games, not having watered down PC abilities.
HammadTheBeast  +   1065d ago
GG Microsoft.

ABizzel1  +   1065d ago | Well said
I think a lot of you are taking what he said too literal. No console is a "dedicated game systems" anymore because they all do other things like Netflix, web browsers, etc...

However, you can clearly tell with Sony and Nintendo that gaming is first and foremost.

I think what he was saying is that with Microsoft it's the exact opposite. It's services first, and then gaming, and as a games console that shouldn't be the case.

But it was expected and it was even OUTLINED in MS 3 step plan to infiltrating the living room space.

1. Original Xbox was to make a name for them
2. Xbox 360 was to gain more market share
3. New Xbox was aimed to take over the living room.

So it's not surprising to me at all, but I guess people just didn't want to see what was in front of them. With gamers being the reason they've had any success with the Xbox means that the Nextbox will still have a focus on gaming, and I'm sure it'll be a solid console, but MS was never in it for gaming, they're here for profit. MS doesn't care about maxing their system or creating new IP's they care about having big selling franchises and multiplatforms, and most of their audience is fine with that, so it's really no loss to them.

I don't think the Nextbox will gain more market share than the Xbox 360 has, but I don't think it's going to be a significant drop even if gaming is a secondary focus. They'll still have the Halos, COD's, Forza's, and exclusive DLC to keep their system up to standards.

But I think more 3rd party developers are going to be willing to do more PS4 exclusives for the simple fact that Sony BUSINESS actually cares about making good games.
MAJ0R  +   1065d ago
How is this news? Who actually thought there would be a game systems released modern day that is solely dedicated for playing games anyways?

Just use the Playstation Vita as an example for why dedicated gaming systems don't do very well i.e. competing systems that can do gaming plus a lot more will beat a dedicated gaming platform.
Gildarts  +   1065d ago
No nextgen console will be strictly. Games. Maybe the Xbox will be a little less about games and I'm ok with that as long as I'm getting my exclusives and such.
Septic  +   1065d ago

Do note that Sony's intentions were to become a multimedia device as well and in quite strong terms if Kutaragi's sentiments are anything to go by, hence the 'it only does everything' moniker.

So we shouldn't be naive to think that Sony has always had gamers' sentiments at heart. Ultimately, it is after the $ just like the other two. Now however, it is evident that Sony have realised that their core gaming fan base is critical to their success.
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SilentNegotiator  +   1065d ago
"Not mainly games" would have been more specific and correct.
soxfan2005  +   1065d ago
MS should come up with a slogan to describe what the new Xbox will be about. Here's one I thought of:

"It only does everything".

That slogan perfectly describes a console that's not strictly about games. I'm sure the masses here wouldn't have a problem with a slogan which accentuates a console's diversity, and it's numerous features other than gaming.
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knowyourstuff  +   1065d ago
Yeah in the beginning the 360 was a games machine, for hardcore gamers, now Microsoft wants to expand and grow by trying to steal from Nintendo's pie, and if they dilute their resources they may become a decent company for hardcore gamers, and a decent company for casuals, where excellent experiences can be had in both markets by Sony and Nintendo respectfully. This has already been seen with the 360 as gamers have complained about. It's more than obvious this is Microsoft's strategy going forward to get the most money and market share.
rainslacker  +   1065d ago
@the "it only does everything" replies

Yes, when Sony used that moniker, the PS2 was a system that did pretty much everything available at the time. It was a huge selling point for them, because back then integrated devices that could do everything were non-existent.

However, note their new slogan.

Play Beyond

Note the word "Play". As gamers, that should be the most important thing. The rest is so common now it's hardly worth focusing on because it's become expected. On top of that, integrated devices have become so ubiquitous the console is not the best place to get an all-in-one device anymore if you just don't care about games. Cheaper, and much better alternatives exist, hell half the TV's sold today even offer it built in. MS is behind the curve on this IMO, and they are approaching it in the wrong way. Focus on the games, and then build up the value through the services offered. They are doing it the opposite way, and as gamers, it should be concerning.
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   1065d ago

I love that Slogan dude, you know why?

Because every time I see that Slogan it is normally preceded by a commercial highlighting yet another PS3 Exclusive.

So if MS adopts it that would be great, but it would only ever be used about 4 times.
GamingWorldPeace  +   1065d ago
Having went through 2 pages worth of comments, I think it is pretty safe to say that N4G is pretty lopsided in terms of fans diversity. Y'all, look here, I am a diehard PS3 gamer and the only series I really like on Xbox 360 is the Gears of War, mainly due to my man, Cole Train! But aren't we getting ahead of ourselfs based on any little comments, from small developers to Executives, and throwing fire to a flame that is not even lit yet. Both companies will have similar strategies going into next generation because it is a copy cat industry just like the Move and Kinect following the success of the Wii. I really don't see anything wrong with waht Microsoft is doing, truthfully. You gotta make money somehow. You gotta be clueless if you think Microsoft won't bring any core games to the table for next generation. Bye Yah!
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andrewsqual  +   1065d ago
@DonteDemonSlayer When you put more money into getting ads to your users than money into ACTUAL GAME CREATING STUDIOS, that my good sir, is the big differance. Don't try and say that the 360 OR Xbox Next is the same as the PS2 or Gamecube lol.
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amiga-man  +   1065d ago
It seems M$ are doing all they can to lose any creditability they had left in gaming.
adorie  +   1065d ago
From all the rumors including Blow, it seems Microsoft is going to be pushing hard for their console to be a jack of all trades.

That's fine, but it should be a master of "games"
and hopefully not a master of "none"
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theWB27  +   1065d ago
How exactly are they losing credibility when the 360 has been doing this for years and still selling STRONG?

The PS4 CLEARLY, as a console, isnt just about games. They clearly focused a ton on the social aspect of things.

The next Xbox will still play games, I bet at a very high quality, but like this gen exclusives MIGHT not beat Sony's. Which clearly didnt hurt them this gen.

I can't understand this "credibility" you speak of when the 360 is still selling strong and they have as many devoted followers as Nintendo and Sony.
RememberThe357  +   1065d ago
I left a comment a few weeks ago after the Sony conference about this too. It's becoming clear the MS wants the XBox to be a "consumer electronic device" as opposed to "a game console." The more I hear about what MS is doing the more it looks like the PS4 will be my console this fall.
amiga-man  +   1065d ago | Well said
It amazes me how people will defend the crap M$ is bringing into gaming,

these people defend it instead of telling M$ to do one when they charge you to use your internet, they force you to buy overpriced hardware, hard drives etc, they churn out the same few games and leave 3rd parties to pick up the slack.

the rumours for their new machine are not good and if the always online and not being able to trade games are true people will still defend them, wake up people and demand better.
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Evil-snuggles  +   1065d ago
I owned the first Xbox and PS2 I loved the first Xbox more than my PS2 when the Xbox 360 was release I purchased it when it was first release I was not impressed and worse Xbox live 2 XBOX red ringed me when the PS3 was released I wait for the first price cut it was awesome lots of great game I love Sony first party games and PSN is free PS+ is great they give you free games avatars and Game discount Xbox live you pay $60 a year to play the $68 games just paid for online and watch Netflix and browse the Internet Xbox live is what Xbox 720 is about Microscam want to to be the cable and TV company not a game company there in composition with Netflix not Sony PlayStation M$ had learned that they make more money of Xbox live that taking risks on new game IPS just pay for exclusive dlc push them on your customers and watch the dollars rolled in M$ are money grubbing whores
Ritsujun  +   1065d ago
The WarnerBros27's mad.
Gamer1982  +   1064d ago
I think the main problem is will people pay monthly for an entertainment device rather than a gaming console.. I think that's gonna be a lot harder sell. Especially in the modern day of SMART tvs and mobile phones which all play netflix etc.. with no fees.
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adorie  +   1064d ago

The PS4 is a gaming device first, a social media gateway, a Blu-Ray player and streaming device.

The PS4 is for "Gamers" and "Developers" All the social aspects shown for PS4 were all gaming driven. You can shout from the rooftops about it's social aspects, but that doesn't change what Sony has told us The PS4 is meant for... games. Everything else is a plus, a PlayStation+(LOL!)

My comment about Microsoft is merely a concern, because I'd like them to keep Sony humbled and focused on what counts, Us and Games.
CoolBeansRus  +   1064d ago
Amiga-Man. How are they doing that when they haven't revealed one thing about the system. All your opinions are based of rumors.
Action GO FIGURE  +   1065d ago
Oh no he didn't..
MithrilBlades  +   1065d ago
Could have sworn sony was doing similar with DVD and blu-ray. I can assure you like the past decade, every console will be a Trojan Horse for something from now on....whether it's a tablet controller, streaming games, motion control or social media.
Mounce  +   1065d ago

Braid doesn't consider Kinect a part of 'Games', so they're just making it clear that Xbox will be all about Kinect more than it is for gamers.

AngelicIceDiamond  +   1065d ago
Isn't that a good thing? That the Xbox core functionality is gaming but can do other things as well?
MysticStrummer  +   1065d ago
It wasn't a good thing when PS3 did it, but somehow I'm sure now it will be hailed as genius now that MS "invented" the idea.
slimpickens  +   1064d ago
Sounds like a sob story Mystic strummer!
WarThunder  +   1064d ago
I said this many times before!

Next xbox goona focus on Kinect 2.0 and SmartGlass!!!

And if MS thinks its gonna sell. Then good for them/

Remember this: Idiots are not ones who charge, idiots are the ones who pay.

And thats good for MS because there are a lot of idiots on this planet. look at apple for example.
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Gamer1982  +   1064d ago
Well said! It will sell and your quotes are bang on especially about apple they just give you a minor upgrade each year and charge you $700 for this minor upgrade. No new OS or anything... People are like sheep and MS wants to herd these sheep into their pen.

If the nextbox only has Halo, forza and gears next gen with some exclusive DLC gamers won't be interested and the home entertainment crowd mostly get them features through SMART tvs and a device you can now pick up for £40 with android installed on it. NO monthly fee. Only hardcore xbox gamers will pick it up and it will have the same issues as the WiiU has right now.
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sGIBMBR  +   1064d ago
Lol, the only people who like Xbox are sheep? GTFO!

I like Xbox, problem?

I agree that MS have dropped the ball recently with the lack of hardcore gamer focused games, but to say only sheep like Xbox is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard... But not surprised in the least!

Every gaming platform out there has it's positives and negatives. Branding ones whole fan base as sheep's is far too extreme and certainly isn't the case!
otherZinc  +   1064d ago
Huh? What? Johnathan Blow? Who are you?

Do you think you're John Carmack, Gabe, Jason Jones, Cliff B, Polyphony, Itagaki, Shirgu, Kojima? What you say means absolutely Nothing!

Johnathan, make a friggin retail game, sell it for $60, sell millions, then talk Sh**! Until then; STFU!

We'll see what "The Witness" does at $60. Then come in here & run your mouth.

All Consoles Are Gunning For Our Living Room!
Make your game. By the way, I thought your game Braid sucked, try again!
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MYSTERIO360  +   1064d ago
I don't want a next gen entertainment hub i've already got a Sky box for that.
kenshiro100  +   1064d ago
Microsoft keeps shooting themselves in the foot these days.
ICECREAM  +   1064d ago
But??????????????No!!!!!!!!!!! !!
Septic  +   1065d ago
Well this is quite an alarming insight into the next-gen console. Whilst I know that Jonathan Blow has had his fair share of 'beef' with MS in the past (and present), I don't think his view should be scoffed at.

A gaming console that is 'not strictly about games' is not a gaming console at all in my opinion. It will be a tremendous detriment to the industry if MS relinquishes its ties with the core gamers that helped propel it into this industry's upper echelons only for it to infiltrate the living rooms for what they've always struggled to do.

I don't want a half-arsed gaming machine console that does other things. I want a gaming console that puts gaming at the heart of it's focus. Luckily, for us, Sony had a kick up the backside this generation and have their focus more or less squarely on the gamer. If worse comes to worse, we have the PlayStation 4- lets hope it doesn't rest on its laurels because it doesn't have as tight a competitor.
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RememberThe357  +   1065d ago | Well said
I completely agree. A game console can do a bunch of things, thats cool. But the same way the lighter in my car doesn't make my car a lighter, MS needs to understand that if they lose sight of what the device is supposed to be about they'll lose to gamers that got them here.
xxLuckyStrike  +   1065d ago
Agreed. They just rode the Kinnect wave at the end here. Now they'll refocus on the core and all social and interactive aspects. They want to corner the whole market. Too ambitious maybe. But they'll give the core what we want and early on. MS won't burn down the bridge that got them into town. They'll repave it. Don't listen to the daily Sony fanboy fodder at N4G it's a 4-1 ratio
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xxLuckyStrike  +   1065d ago
MS laughing at all of the fanboys turned analysts on the way to the bank while readying the new cash cow. You cries were unheard by the masses when you stomped up and down over Kinnect an pitched rrod fiasco and doom. All on a console with no exclusives. No one outside N4G hears you or cares except Sony Fanboys!!!
Ju  +   1065d ago
Speaking of Kinect. Can anyone please tell me who is making money off of Kinect games? 3rd party sure aren't it.
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xxLuckyStrike  +   1065d ago
It's Microsofts baby so... I imagine MS. I think third party takes care of itself as they always sell the most units on any platform
rainslacker  +   1065d ago
Good for them laughing...are you laughing? I'm going to assume that you are a MS fan based on your tone, but your brand loyalty is misplaced.

As a gamer, I see no reason to laugh over MS current marketing focus, or the current trend in reports or quotes coming out of Redmond.

I'm happy that you can laugh and claim victory over fan boys everywhere...not really sure where that gets you though. If you feel good about the current situation, that's fine. MS I'm sure will be laughing at you next gen as well because they know they have someone who can't look at things objectively and will buy up whatever crap they push onto the consumers in the guise of a game machine. A game machine which so far seems like it won't bring much to the realm of gaming.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not waiting with baited breath.
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Ju  +   1065d ago
Only Kinect game I can find anywhere in the charts which barely cracks the top 20 is Kinect Sports (in the US, global far below) and then long nothing. It sure ain't 3rd party making money off of Kinect (and I actually know). It's a black whole for MS, too. All it does is trying to sell the console to "others". But what's the point, really? They sank $500M already and keep going. Not my money, I'm just saying...but really, nobody cares about Kinect.
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MysticStrummer  +   1065d ago
Laughing all the way to last place. Nice work. At least you're pleased. I'm sure that's all MS cares about.
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Axe99  +   1065d ago
@ Septic - aye, that's the main danger here - MS effectively replaced Ninty as the main competition in the core gaming arena (sorry Ninty fans, but when it comes to publishing third party games, last gen there were, for the most part, only two games in town in the console game), and MS were always in the game for loungeroom domination (and said as much early on, to their investors) rather than gaming.

Fortunately, they were competitive enough to stop Sony getting carried away. Risk is if they back off and focus on being a jack-of-all trades, then they'll stop putting the competitive pressure on gaming. If this does come to pass, then hopefully Steam and mobile/tablet, with Ninty in the background, will be enough to keep Sony from slacking off.

It's a huge risk for MS, as even with a year's headstart and a pretty clunky start from the PS3, Sony have come back to be the strongest gaming device through the life of the generation (weak start, strong finish - note, the 360 is still an _awesome_ piece of kit, but you just get a better range of games on Playstation, and often a deeper range of games as well). If they start weaker, they could lose market share, and pretty much fade out outside of the US (only in console gaming, of course).

I doubt they'll do this though - but this article from Blow about MS is far from the only 'negative' vibe from devs and publishers, and they seem to be lining up to get behind the PS4.

Anyways, it's all rumour and speculation - we'll see what's going to happen in a month or two either way. We just have to hope that the rumour of it being a gaming console second are wrong, or that MS change direction after listening to the fan response.
Relientk77  +   1065d ago
This is where I think Microsoft is doing it wrong. I think a video game consoles main focus should be strictly about games. Everything else on it: social media, sharing, Netflix, Internet browers etc, those are all bonuses to me. I am a gamer, I want games.
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MikeMyers  +   1065d ago
The problem is Microsoft is known first for Windows and rumor has it Windows 8 will tie it all together.

This is why sometimes you have to hand it to Nintendo, they are primarily a game company, that's all they do. Sony has various divisions so they will want to create new formats and delve into things like 3D to help sell TVs. Sony still does a great job at separating divisions and really focus on games.

I'm glad more and more developers are speaking out. No longer will Microsoft be able to coast off of the competitions mistakes. Xbox Live used to be their trump card but even that is starting to be questioned as others have improved their online services dramatically.
LOL_WUT  +   1065d ago
This worries me
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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1065d ago
I think j blow just sold me a ps4.

They want to be apple so bad they want to be worse.

Is superDae Still may be sentenced 20+ years to life for leaking xbox 720 specs that say 720 will be always online?

Will xbl still not have free multiplayer??

In america a good commercial will make all of these go away.

"xbox: It's Not Strictly About Games"
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2pacalypsenow  +   1065d ago
xbox never had free multiplayer
Cupid_Viper_3  +   1065d ago
I can't believe that this "superDae" dude may be facing 20 years to life in prison. That is insane for just leaked documents that put no one's life in danger...

And people everywhere were mad at Sony when they simply sued that Geoff guy. Where's the outrage now that this guy's life is practically hanging on the line?
Bathyj  +   1065d ago
ha, quote from the article

"According to SuperDaE, "This raid was a result from the Aussie police kissing America's a$$."

Im pretty sure he would have said a$re.
Prodigy-X  +   1065d ago
No surprise.
Cocozero  +   1065d ago
Dedicated gaming systems are a thing of the past, look at Vita.
vitullo31  +   1065d ago
Looks like a gaming system to me
cjflora  +   1065d ago
And a damn fine one at that.
d0nT wOrrY  +   1065d ago
Are you retarded boy? How is the Vita not related to gaming?
Jacobster  +   1065d ago
I think he was being ironic
Rainstorm81  +   1064d ago
I think he was being moronic
Prcko  +   1065d ago
so it's kinect and that stuff?
no thx
greenpowerz  +   1065d ago
In other words MSFT wasn't interested in the game you offered them(looks like a flop in the making)

What does putting your game on a console have to do with a company focusing on a broader market?

Sounds like PS3 fanboy talking points. MSFT must have hurt their feelings. Making money with games should be their only worrry LMAO

A dev concerned about Netlfix, Hulu, Kinect or whatever it may be LOL. It's the same thing MSFT's competition is doing only MSFT is doing it better hence the attacks?

This hating/attacking on the center in the living strategy is moronic at best. As if MSFT is going to stop making games.

MSFT has everybody working on 720 games.

Has anybody Noticed it's only PS3 fanboys crying about what MSFT has and doesn't have.

It's only PS3 fanboys vocally expressing their hatred of Kinect? who spends 24/7 trying to attack and convince others about a product? I don't like Wiimote and PS MOve do you see me others regurgitating thesame malice driven drivel every day every chance I get? If you don't like it then STFU and move on LOL

PS3 fanboys are so rabid I'm the only 360 fan in a 360 article and being attacked LMAO
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BlueTemplar  +   1065d ago
I love the way this guy talks about fanboys as though he isnt a massive one himself
Ju  +   1065d ago

Enemy  +   1065d ago | Well said
A flop in the making just like Braid, huh? Way to appreciate that Braid was exclusive to Xbox Live for awhile too. Wow, who opened the floodgates? The tears are getting everywhere.

"MSFT has everybody working on 720 games"

And by everybody you mean 2 studios that develop hardcore games (one for Halo, one for racing) while the rest are small Kinect-focused developers, LOL!
Zechs34  +   1065d ago
This Green guy is a pitiful joke.

How can someone manage to write so much yet say so little?

Please GTFO with your trolling. Youre defending Mircrosft and saying EVERYONE is working on 720 games.
If your sources are as good as your excuses, then I am convinced.

And just FYI, Jonathan Blow (along with Jenova Chen, The Behemoth, Etc) is very much partly responsible for the resurgence of indie games and the games we are allowed to play on these boxes today.

To say his future game looks a like a flop in the making is both absurd and foolish.

/End rant
baodeus  +   1065d ago

Do you know where is the gold mines or the primary market for indie games right now (from big to small indie developers?) hint, it is not console (too expansive, lack of exposure compare to mobile devices, etc, I think u get the point). tHough MS really support indie this Gen (as you can see the amount of indie games, from shovel wares to very high quality ones, on xlive, including their own dirt cheap XNA tools that indie developers can use. they also promote/ advertise/recommend and have dedicated space for indie games all over xlive as well. Compare to what shown on PSN, do u think potential buyer are more informed about Indies games than on xlive like having everything (demo, info, photo, releated dlc contents, sale advertisement) all in one spot? that is why u see more Indies games on xlive than psn no? U dont have to sign away your your IP either and restricted yourselves to a single market, which happen with Sony (journey) for example.

with that said, i dont agree with green on his baseless statement about Indies developers either.

"Youre defending Mircrosft and saying EVERYONE is working on 720 games.
If your sources are as good as your excuses, then I am convinced"

So you criticize the green guy for stating something that MS themselves said (though vaguely) but u didnt say anything toward Enemy statement (right above u), which is even more absurd because he "KNOW" exactly what MS is working on when there is no concrete evidence beside that they are working on 760?

I think you should read more before giving your "selective" beat down.
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BlueTemplar  +   1065d ago
"PS3 fanboys are so rabid I'm the only 360 fan in a 360 article and being attacked LMAO"

Probably more to do with the bollocks you spout than any kind of fanboyism tbh.
BigStef71  +   1065d ago
You always have to be in denial greenpowerz lmao
BlueTemplar  +   1065d ago
"do you see me others regurgitating thesame malice driven drivel every day every chance I get?"

KillrateOmega  +   1065d ago
On top of being a troll, you're also being a hypocrite. You're complaining about fanboys as if you weren't a huge one yourself.

I'm sure you'd respond if it wasn't for that whole 1 bubble situation, lol.
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MysticStrummer  +   1065d ago
"MSFT has everybody working on 720 games."

So they're gonna do the same thing they did last gen and drop all support for their current console when the new one comes out?

Always funny to see a rabid fanboy complain about rabid fanboys.
kenshiro100  +   1064d ago
Just stop it green, seriously. You might as well be wearing a cheerleader's outfit and wave pom poms at the same time.

Its okay to criticize Sony but oh no, don't ever criticize Microsoft.
Hicken  +   1064d ago
how many more worrying things are we gonna have to hear about Microsoft's direction in gaming before some of you get through your heads that it's NO GOOD?
maniacmayhem  +   1064d ago
About as many times as we hear PS3 is DOOMED, Vita is dead, Sony is broke!

But just like those statements, some folks just won't get it through their heads...why is that Hicken?

Oh wait...
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Number-Nine  +   1065d ago
and here lies the problem for xbox.
LastXeno  +   1065d ago
Wii U and PS4 it is then.
Aceman18  +   1065d ago
i had already made up my mind to get this combination last year as they both make games that i'm interested in.

the 360 will be the last microsoft console i'll buy as they dont get give me the variety i look for, and out of the two systems they released i loved the original xbox more than my 360.
ILive  +   1065d ago
The original xbox was amazing. If many poeople actually had it, then they will see how bad ms lost its way. The system had amazing games. I found myself playing the Xbox more in the later stages of last gen. That was why I adopted the xbox 360 first. Though I may not fancy the 360 because its lacking in so many areas (I have the launch white model with the attachable harddrive), I am glad I was able to play a game like the witcher 2 on the system.
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Aceman18  +   1065d ago
i love that fact that those disagreeing must feel i should love my 360 more than the original xbox, when i got more playtime out of it than the 360.

either that or they just dont like the fact that i'm not buying the new microsoft system.
maniacmayhem  +   1065d ago
So not only will it play games but it'll do more than just that?

What's the problem?
PirateThom  +   1065d ago
Look at the 360 now.

That's the problem.
maniacmayhem  +   1065d ago
Nope, no problem at all. I still get to play games, watch Netflix, HBO GO and it's music service.

Do you personally have a problem with 360? Because that and what I'm reading from others seem to be the case. And not only that but the main person of the article who has very known problems with MS is stating all this about the next Xbox. And he even says that he doesn't really know it's just his perception of all the rumors that he has heard.

Should we not wait till we actually see the nextbox unveiled. We know that MS wants to be the center of the living room. We also know they are currently in development of 4 new IP's for the next system.

Lord knows that if MS was replaced by Sony in this article, it would have hit 9000 in heat and spammed with "media is biased".

So again, what's the problem?


And a phone only used to make calls and now it can do damn near everything!

Other stupid services that gamers don't care about?

Here let me fix that for you...

Other stupid services that I don't care about.

There you go, because Sony is doing the same thing. They are offering the same services. Maybe not as many as MS but there you have the difference in consoles. Funny that people are willing to accept no BC for a GAMING console but add apps and whooooo booooy pitch forks and torches.
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PirateThom  +   1065d ago | Well said
I have a very big issue with the 360.

Microsoft are, currently, contributing nothing to the gaming sphere. Their console is held together by multiplatform games and the same two or three franchises. It works for them, whatever.

However, a bigger issue is that Microsoft have switched, almost entirely, to focus on the applications. How many applications the 360 has. How many subscribers they have. So on and so forth.

Again, it's working for them.

They started this gen with a real focus on core gamers and delivered as many titles as they could get their hands on... now, they seem more content to get content providers either because it makes more money or because it makes for a nicer bullet point.

I just find it hard to justify the Xbox brand even existing if it's just a media centre that happens to play some games that are on other platforms.

Adding to the problem, is the fact IT'S WORKING FOR THEM. They abandoned core gamers in order to provide a very casual, family friendly experience powered by Kinect and apps. No reason why this successful approach wouldn't work next gen. In fact, I'd say they want that same audience to come over to their new device because they're easier to cater for than the core gamer who demands more.

We then have the issue where the PS4 is already media heavy and if Blow is saying he's going to PS4, which is already not entirely a gaming console, what must the new XBox really be like.

What was the rumour? 3GB for the OS? Yeah.

I think the issue I also take is just how many Xbox fans don't seem to care. It doesn't matter what I think, I won't touch another Xbox, once bitten, twice shy, but I really think fans of the brand, the ones who like Halo and Gears and supported Alan Wake and Lost Odyssey, should be up in arms and, frankly, no one ever complains.
clintagious650  +   1065d ago

U nailed it. U couldnt have said it any better. I totally agree.
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maniacmayhem  +   1065d ago
No one ever complains because it does not bother them. It only seems to bother the Sony fanboys who can't seem to understand why the the 360 is working for MS.

You say they are not currently contributing anything to the gaming sphere but I have to ask what other company is? Every company is trying to draw more customers in, you can't survive financially depending on the core games. You should be thankful that they are trying to appeal to the mass audience and maybe turn some casual grifters into the core.

It's time to start thinking bigger on a world level scale and not this small minded mentality of niche gaming and catering to core audiences only. Big business won't survive like that. M$ knows it, $ony knows it, and Nintendo definitely knows it.

You say that MS has entirely switched to applications but I just told you that they are working on four new IP's as in GAMES for their new system. Is it so hard to understand or to accept that a console can do more things than just play games. Or are you so heavily focused on the other aspects and features that you just can't seem to accept that something can do all things equally.

360 started out as just a gaming machine, they saw a market and an opportunity to expand and diverse. Just like any business that wants to stay alive in the future does. You see Nintendo doing it now, not as big as Sony or MS but you see them caving into the norms of what current consoles offer.

"They abandoned core gamers in order to provide a very casual, family friendly experience powered by Kinect and apps."

I love how only Sony fanboys or people who are not the 360 core seem to think that MS left their core when they have provided sequels to all their core titles in the last two years. It is truly hilarious to read. The Kinect has been a major success for them, a HUGE seller and like any competent business you provide support for the device that has brought you tons of money. But for some strange reason, on N4G this is frowned upon and seeing games for the successful Kinect means that MS has left their core.

How many times have we read on here about the Move and the wish for more dedicated games to the device like Sorcery?

I would like to know if you were the core to begin with? If not then how do you even know what the core wanted? Again your own personal bias is misjudging what the 360 core wants and what you would personally would like to see.

Like I said the PS4 is heavy media related because it is a capable device. The PC's have been doing this since the dawn of man and yet now in 2013 when consoles are just now giving these experiences we seem to have people with a problem with this? You don't like the apps or media features, DON'T USE THEM, not using these features won't prevent you from playing the games that the 360 and 720 WILL STILL OFFER.

And let's wait and see what the 720 even has to offer before we take some guy who is clearly BITTER at MS word.

If they truly do abandon all games for 720 then I'll be right there with you Tom holding my WiiU up all proud.
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Root  +   1065d ago
because it's a console....a GAMING console

Games should be their main priority, not other stupid services that gamers don't care about

It shows you how much MS cares for the core community....
SDF Repellent  +   1065d ago
So what you saying is, we should also go back to phones like the Motorola Razor phones in the early 2000s know, it is a cell phone.....a CELL PHONE that makes/receive call. It is still the main focus but internet, instant messaging, GPS, multimedia, and netflix, apps are all part of the phone ecosystem You don't see any dedicated Cell Phones selling anymore, do you? If you don't expand and keep up with technology, it will leave you behind. That is why Microsoft is a billion dollar corporation and armchair fanboys, well..
These trolls comments make me laugh so hard as like Sony isn't trying to do the same thing...LOL
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Shadow Flare  +   1064d ago
SDF, if I'm honest, I use my phone mostly for the Internet use and fairly little for phoning and texting

But I use my ps3 probably 95% for games, and use its other applications fairly little.

Both devices in the modern age have multiple functionality, but I still use my games console mostly for its core purpose, gaming. I don't switch on my ps3 to use Facebook, I want to play games

And in that notion, just as I have a massive focus on games, I want my next console to have a massive focus on games. The other apps are nice extras. Whatever additional apps should never be at the detriment of game development. And I very much like how open and clear Sony have been that the PS4 is firstly and primarily a gaming machine, for gamers built by game developers.

If the Microsoft rumours are true, their new focus on games isn't as strong as Sonys. And if its true, that should bother you. If it doesn't, you're clearly more interested in defending Microsoft then playing games
vega275  +   1065d ago
@ maniacmayhem
Why are you even trying. Its clear as day that sonyfanboys need something to hate microsoft for. Sonys plan was also to take over the living room which was a reason why they spearheaded blu-ray into the ps3. Sony also add media support for the ps4 as they have for the ps3. But only ms should be hated for it.

Let them continue hating ms for a system they know nothing about and take info from a dev who said himself he know nothing about and is getting his info from rumors and not facts.

Its clear that know matter what ms announce for the next xbox as far as games or system specs. All they will do is hate on it. Its no different from whem ms announce the 360 in 2005 when the 360 launch and they was hating then. They only want to see ms go out of business or leave gaming cause they cant stand the fact the 360 is still selling and t he 720 will do the same. Its eating them up inside
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kenshiro100  +   1064d ago
Sony focuses more on games than those services. What is Microsoft focusing on...Kinect and ads?

GreenRanger  +   1065d ago
I'm done with Microsoft.
Pillsbury1  +   1065d ago
It's morphin time! Yay!
azshorty2003  +   1065d ago
We'll it's settled then. The Green Ranger doesn't endorse just ANY product. He is freaking Tommy after all.
TheOneEyedHound  +   1065d ago

Who the %^*# is the Green ranger.
majiebeast  +   1065d ago
We shall see when they show it but the last 3-4 E3's have shown they dont give a dick about who made them what they are today.
ILive  +   1065d ago
Exactly! Something just seems off about the 360 now. I was really disappointed that they would make another gears as opposed to a new ip for the owners of the system to send the system off. I know, I know...its business, right? Give the people what they think they want because the one that came out a year and a half ago sold millions.
BlueTemplar  +   1065d ago
Its amazing how much Microsoft seem to have alienated the indie developers - at one point it was a massive plus point for the console, attracting games such as Braid, Limbo and Super Meat Boy as exclusives.

You'd have thought they'd have embraced them a lot more rather than driving them away.
YodaCracker  +   1065d ago
And the Xbox LIVE Arcade still is one of the best things about the 360! Nothing has been driven away. Look at all the stellar Arcade releases from last year: Minecraft, Trials, Mark of the Ninja, Spelunky, Dust, Fez... That was their strongest year yet. No one can compete with Microsoft in the downloadble title area - it's as simple as that. XBL has always been, and still is, a haven for indie developers.
BlueTemplar  +   1065d ago
You say nothing has been driven away but Jonathon Blow doesnt want to work with MS again, and neither do the developers of Super Meat Boy.
TheOneEyedHound  +   1065d ago
Journey alone shits on those titles.
joefrost00  +   1065d ago
And the ps4 is strictly about games lol
They are trying to do the same thing
DEATHSTROKE-cro-  +   1065d ago
what new IP's has Microsoft made in last 7 years and what did Sony make ?! yeah, MS made nothing.
livealie25  +   1065d ago
Microsoft made over 60 ip's in the last 7 years, so how did they make nothing? I'm completely mind-fucked... (preparing for the disagrees because n4g is filled with idiots)

Even with facts people will disagree lol
itBourne  +   1065d ago
How do you figure M$ made over 60 ips?
itBourne  +   1065d ago
Are people fucking mentally challenged, he didnt LITERALLY mean the ps4 will ONLY play game. They simply have a greater focus on the gamer. Its not rocket science. How do people not get that?
ceedubya9  +   1065d ago
They've always wanted to be the center of the living room, and they have never tried to hide it. The thing is, none of these consoles are "strictly about games" anymore, and haven't been for a while now. You can argue the point that one company openly caters to the core gamer audience more at this point than the other, but both are still offering a lot of the same services in addition to their gaming capabilities.

It may turn out that the next xbox will be more so branded as an entertainment system more so than a game console, but that doesn't mean it will be any less of a game console than the 360 was. A lot left to still be uncovered about this new console, so we have to wait and see what we are in store for when Microsoft actually reveals the thing.
theWB27  +   1065d ago
Awesome comment...from the get go, with the original Xbox they pushed for the "other" things with the console. Like ripping music to the hardrive, bringing online gaming to consoles and achievements. People tend forget Microsoft ushered these little things into console gaming.

The 360 just built on this aspect with the best online infrastructure out of the big three. Even if you disagree on paying for it, they were at the forefront for most of these things.

Sony announces they're making the PS4 a social's literally built around being everything social and people praise it. But Xbox is just continuing what they've been doing from the get go and N4G act- basically ignorant with whats going on in gaming.
clintagious650  +   1065d ago
I totally agree with what u said but u cant honestly sit there and tell me that ms hasnt been ignoring its core base. I understand that its a business and they are trying to make money but at the same time it sucks when we all know ms is having alot of success with kinect & thats great but when a HUGE corporation like ms is having all this success but ignoring its MAIN consumers with no new ip's for the core for the last 3 or 4 years but u see its competitors keeping their core base happy shouldnt we be ANGRY?

Reason we need to let them know that we arent happy is because if we dont SAY ANYTHING, ms will continue to ignore us because were still SUPPORTING their product. Just like xbl, they will NEVER make it free because THEY KNOW u guys will PAY for it even if every other platform has free services because in your minds paying for a service means its automatically better when it really aint all that.
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ceedubya9  +   1065d ago
Well, Microsoft game studios haven't been throwing out a bunch of homemade exclusive games, sure. They have offered core games for the console, exclusive and not exclusive. So its not like there hasn't been anything to play if you have a 360. If you're looking for more exclusive core games, yeah then 360 at this point isn't the place to be. Really though, outside of us, the general public doesn't care how exclusive a game is. They get what they want and don't care who it is made by.

I think that when we see what Microsoft's strategy is with the next console (in regards to core games), then we will get a better idea of how they really feel about us. If they decide to sit back and let everyone else make the games for them, then yeah they probably don't care about the core audience more than they do being a centerpiece box for the living room. Or, maybe they decided move core game development over to the new console a few years ago instead of putting new IP on an aging console...while still trying to be a centerpiece box for the living room. We should know something soon enough. Whatever they decide, it could have a huge effect on their stance in the future gaming market positively or negatively.
clintagious650  +   1065d ago

I agree with everything u said & I understand that but my problem with that approach by ms is exactly the things PirateThom pointed out. He nails it right on the money if u see his response to maniacmayhem. Scroll up cause I dont want to copy & paste but u see where PirateThomis coming from is EXACTLY the same way I feel & im sure many others but they wont speak their mind.
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rainslacker  +   1065d ago
I seriously hope your right. Despite my rather vocal criticisms of MS lately on their current direction, I really do want them to bring something worthwhile to gaming.

The media services themselves don't bother me at all, and all in all, I find it good that they would want to offer value in the machine in such a way. I've liked all the services that Sony introduced throughout the years on the PS3, and find it highly convenient to have it all in one place. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and there never will be.

The system itself, does not have to be strictly about games, and strong arguments can be made how it could doom the machine from the start if it were, many of which I would agree with.

The concern that I put out though is that the past couple years, and the last year especially, there has been a huge shift in focus in what kind of game machine that the 360 has become. I won't deny that there are core games that have come out, but nothing new that pushes the gaming spectrum. New IP's are rare from MS, and big 1st party titles are not being turned out with the same frequency that their competition is doing. The 3rd party support is there for sure, but that does nothing to distinguish the Xbox brand in the marketplace.

I just want to see the MS that existed at the beginning of this gen. They were explosive with title announcements and big 1st party IP's. They talked about, and offered, a lot of the other stuff as well, and it was great. If they had never had their hardware problems(and my own personal issues with their pre-Xbox days hardware), I would have brought one without hesitation. If they could get back to that then I would be singing praises for them. But given the current trend in their marketing, I can only remain weary for whatever they plan to do next gen.
Godmars290  +   1065d ago
Would like to say I can't wait till MS announces specs for their system, but then all that's really going to do restart the fan-boy wars again in earnest.
Kran  +   1065d ago
*robot voice* I totally didn't expect that. *looks both ways*
TheOneEyedHound  +   1065d ago
You creep.
Kran  +   1064d ago
If you actually spoke those words out loud in that voice, you'd realise it sounds like sarcasm
tigertron  +   1065d ago
Consoles should be strictly about games. Any social/multi-media aspects should come second.
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aviator189  +   1065d ago
you know...I was for microsoft just waiting until whenever they wanted to show off their next xbox...but at this point they just need to come out and either confirm or dismiss some of these rumors.

I can wait, I've got patience, but almost everyone here seems to take something some people say as truth even when I'm pretty darn sure it's being based off inferences or guesses.
younglj01  +   1065d ago
I'm not an Xbox owner and I don't believe this because this would be gaming suicide for MS...
Indo  +   1065d ago
Theirs only so much ,if so, that the Next Box can do to become a media center of a living room. My Smart TV does enough for me to be king of my living room. But what can the Next Box do to distinguish it from itself, a gaming console. It be a very interesting unveiling of the Next Box.
amiga-man  +   1065d ago
My Smart TV does enough for me to be king of my living room. But what can the Next Box do to distinguish it from itself

they could make you pay to access it, oh my bad they already do!!!!
Pillsbury1  +   1065d ago
Xbox wants to be a casual multimedia device. Microsoft does not care about us gamers.
Nafon  +   1065d ago
You can see where all of our xbox live subscription profits are going... down the shitter with all these awful "TV" apps with crap programs. All you need is Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon prime, maybe YouTube, and thats it.
WarThunder  +   1065d ago
That what i always said, MS is just like Apple they don't listen to what fans want. They choose what ever they think its gonna sell.

Next xbox goona focus on Kinect and SmartGlass.
Nafon  +   1065d ago
Well, I don't mind having lots of media apps, but if it doesn't perform at least close to the level that the ps4 does, FUUUUU MICROSOFT
RogueStatus28  +   1065d ago
Jonathan is a very passionate developer, for someone of that stature to say the Next Xbox won't focus on video games is very disappointing. After April's Xbox conference I'll make a definite conclusion but for now, it's not looking good.
urwifeminder  +   1065d ago
2d jumping man sounds upset day one ms.
RogueStatus28  +   1065d ago
So essentially, It's going to be a box with Halo, exclusive EA content, and maybe a new core first party IP. That's just half, if even that. The other half will be multi media and Kinect 2.0.

I don't fucking like Facebook, I don't fucking have a smartphone, and I don't fucking have cable.
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baodeus  +   1065d ago
So what the fuck do you have?
amiga-man  +   1065d ago
lyvon  +   1065d ago
Everyday the PS4 sounds better and better in comparison.

Still waiting to see what MS comes up with, but the early reports are somewhat leaving a bad impression with hardcore gamers.
ThatsGaming  +   1065d ago
Given that Microsoft has not made any announcements about the next Xbox, I don't see how the PS4 can be failing in comparison.

It is impossible to know anything for any level of certainty about the next Xbox given that the rumours are often contradicting each other. One day it has Blu-ray, the next it does not, etc.
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