Submitted by dirigiblebill 851d ago | news

Xbox 360 isn't maxed out yet, says Epic - "there'll always be something more we can figure out"

OXM UK: "Rumours of the death (that's to say, exhaustion) of current generation console technology have been greatly exaggerated, it seems. According to Epic's lead level designer Jim Brown and People Can Fly art director Waylon Brinck, Gears of War: Judgment represents another quantum leap in terms of graphics and performance - and Brinck is confident studios can squeeze further gains from the hardware in future." (Gears of War Judgment, Xbox 360)

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richierich  +   851d ago
Dont they all say that
Ritsujun  +   851d ago
xxLuckyStrike   850d ago | Trolling | show
Irishguy95  +   851d ago
No...they say the opposite...all the time

ND said they maxed out the Ps3 3 times now. Atleast EPIC are honest that they didn't fully utilise the 360 for the new gears
Blackdeath_663  +   851d ago
honest? and how can you verify their honesty?
CEOSteveBallmer  +   851d ago
So why didn't they utilize it to the fullest??
admiralvic  +   850d ago
"maxing out" always sounded like marketing speak for getting a lot out of the system. Similar to how Apple calls their displays Retina, even though it's just a "buzz" word.

I am inclined to believe Epic, just because you can almost always do something better.
ATi_Elite  +   851d ago
OMG Just shut up already
The X360 can not do 1080p @ 60fps so therefore it's MAXED OUT!

sure you can figure out little things here or there but other than that the system has Hit the wall!!!
dlocsta  +   851d ago
That is just a plain stupid statement. No current system can perform on that level and non were designed to do so. How does not being able to reach a spec it was not designed to achieve proof of its obsoletion?
Jake1111  +   850d ago
I fully agree with you. The dummies after that state these systems were not supposed to do this??? Stupid... Sony claimed the PS3 could do 120 FPS at 1080P! Don't you remember??? I agree, theses systems are done... The next system out will prove this..
JoGam  +   851d ago
While they figure it out, I'll be playing my PS4. Respectfully.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   851d ago
Who's Epic trying to convince? It not like Gears 4 will be on 360 or any type of new Ip of sorts, and they know that? What's the point of this statement exactly?
Tzuno  +   850d ago
Look at the games on ps2 at the end of his life-cycle, god of war 1,2 final fantasy 12, gran turismo 4 amazing graphics. For sure Xbox 360 isn't maxed out yet.Have a nice day.
The_Infected  +   851d ago
Really epic? Is that why Gears Judgement looks almost exactly like Gears 3? Both 360 and PS3 are struggling with frame rates as games are advancing as it is so its time to move on.
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dirigiblebill  +   851d ago
The problem isn't that the technology's deficient - it's that designers are still obsessed with pretty textures and high frame rates, rather than the underlying ideas. I'll take a current gen game built around novel concepts over Killzone 4 any day of the goddamn week. Alas, Judgment doesn't look all that novel...
ILive  +   851d ago
Good for you.
LAWSON72  +   851d ago
Do you want less than 30fps have fun with your slideshow
dirigiblebill  +   850d ago
I used to have plenty of fun with sub-30 fps games, thanks. Then our mutual friend Mr Publicly Traded Hardware Manufacturer came along and told me that gaming isn't gaming unless it appears in 4D, running at 60+ fps, with 100 enemies on-screen at once.

I'm not denying that performance-intensive spectacle is nice, but it's also expensive to produce, and because it's expensive to produce, there's less money to throw at intelligent design. God of War 3 might be this generation's most impressive-looking game, but in terms of what you actually do? Might as well be playing Final Fight.
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BanBrother  +   851d ago

Don't know why you still bother trolling Xbox articles, but from a technical perspective, Judgment has more enemies on screen at once, and has also improved the already fantastic lighting from Gears 3 and fire effects. I'm sure there are even more improvements.

And besides, Gears 3 is still one of the best looking games on consoles, so obviously they can't have such a major jump from a game released 1 and a half years ago.
Rainstorm81  +   851d ago
How's he trolling when he grouped the PS3 and Xbox 360 together? Besides he said ALMOST looks like gears 3.

Don't be so defensive.....The next gen is upon us , for fans of Playstation and Xbox
BanBrother  +   851d ago
Oh please Rainstorm, he is a well known troll on here, Why else would I mention it?

Don't try to defend an idiot, it just makes you look bad.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   851d ago
Yeah why so defensive? it gives away your image as a fanboy. kratos_kill didn't insult the xbox or the game. just criticizing the developers.
The_Infected  +   851d ago

I'm not trolling I'm speaking the truth. They look almost identical. When Xbox shows a game that looks amazing I'lll give them credit I'm not biased about it. I think Gears of War: Judgment looks good but it's nothing amazing.
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Omni-Tool  +   851d ago
BanBrother - "And besides, Gears 3 is still one of the best looking games on consoles, so obviously they can't have such a major jump from a game released 1 and a half years ago."

So what you're saying is the X360 has reached it's max and any efforts to improve game quality should be focused on next gen.

"It's dead. It's dead, Jim." - Dr. McCoy
DeadlyFire  +   851d ago
Just chop the resolution down to 480 and bam you get better graphics and higher fps. Great idea Epic............
zerocrossing  +   851d ago
"there'll always be something more we can figure out"

Don't they mean "there's still something more we can figure out"?

Their comment gives the impression the 360's potential is limitless and reall it's anything but that for every console that isnt upgradable, they'll ma it out soon for sure...
zewabbit  +   851d ago
Usually, it comes down to being able to optimise the way something is rendered/coded rather than "squeezing more out the console".

For example, somebody could look at the way that a game's code applies textures at runtime and realise that there is one-to-many loops in the code which if fixed could speed-up the method and free up resources for other things.
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Jek_Porkins  +   851d ago
Industry buzz words are so cute, thankfully we know they are done with current consles after Judgment and can focus their efforts on the next Xbox for future Gears titles. Would love to see that game at 60fps.
Sclavius  +   851d ago
It's always either, "we haven't used the full potential of PS3/360." Or "We've squeezed every bit of ram and memory out of that mo-fo," Please spare us the BS
Fishy Fingers  +   851d ago
There's always more optimizing to be done, or 'smarter' ways of doing things, but really, when your looking at a massive undertaking to try and yield a 5% improvement you have to ask yourself, is it worth it?
Hufandpuf  +   851d ago
When a lot of people still own current gen consoles, yes.
zewabbit  +   851d ago
Plus, even when the next generation launches this year, the PS3 and X360 will still probably have more users and games for a short period.
Dogswithguns  +   851d ago
Still arguing about X360, eh??
ComBaTs0uL  +   851d ago
The game looks better.I play gears 3 every day and I can tell a difference. Is it me or is this board full of moaners?
FinalomegaS  +   851d ago
it would be cool if we had some 1st gen games on the 360 get a graphic update re-release.

could a graphic patch actually upgrade those old games to looks like a end gen graphics.

as far Epic squeezing more power out of the box, well there is just so much you can squeeze.just accept it and say we've reach the best optimization point for the 360. It's been how many years now... it's ok, it was a great run and let it rest.
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   851d ago
PFFT  +   851d ago
Cool i guess........just make sure to release a new IP. Gears is over used to high hell already.
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josephayal  +   851d ago
Love the Xbox 360, Def alien tech
esemce  +   851d ago
Bullshit indeed that's why Gears could never run at 60fps same as Uncharted/TLOU this gen was 'maxxed' long ago.
testerg35  +   851d ago
Does KZ run at 60fps? I'm just curious...
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Dread  +   851d ago

If this had been a Sony developer and he had said that the Playstation 3 had not yet been axed out, all u fanboys would be here agreeing with the statement.
Hicken  +   850d ago
If it had been a Sony developer, it would have been more believable, given how things have progressed in Sony exclusives over these past few years.

Killzone and Uncharted have traded places as the best-looking franchises on consoles. Heavy Rain, God of War, nothing on any other console touches them. And just when you think the games won't look any better, The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls show up.

360, on the other hand... well, at least they haven't gotten worse, right?
guitarse  +   850d ago
I'm fully behind you on this one, people are quick to look at the multi-platform titles which in many cases look or run a little better on the Xbox 360 (not all cases).

Yet Sony first party titles has visuals that make you take a step back and smile. I still play my Xbox more than my PS3, but while the graphics in first Party Xbox titles is "kinda" improving, the frame rate takes a big hit (see Halo 4).
ExitToExisT  +   851d ago
As long as x360 can't run a game on 1080p and 60 fps (which it can't) , then it is maxed out
Lvl_up_gamer  +   851d ago
Perfect Dark XBLA runs at 60fps and is 1080p.

Don't be afraid of google. It's actually there to help you research so that you don't look foolish spreading false information.
LAWSON72  +   851d ago
Look at you, finding a graphically advanced game.
Deku-Johnny  +   851d ago
I think he means the 360 isn't capable of running a game on 1080p and 60 fps natively, which he's right in saying as the 360 isn't even capable of native 720p.
Deku-Johnny  +   851d ago
The PS1 hasn't been maxed out yet either...
Welcome2Die  +   850d ago
Its about as maxed out as a 110 pound kid bench pressing 35 pounds...
BladerunnerZX  +   850d ago
The Xbox360 is a solid machine performance wise , but lets be honest the 360 is maxed out.

The fact is that after God of War Ascension and the Last of Us the PS3 will be "maxed out".

That doesnt mean that both platforms dont have some great games ahead of them.
SonyAddict  +   850d ago
Have they finally figured out a new IP?
largerock  +   850d ago
Crysis 3 says hi.
guitarse  +   850d ago
Play Halo 4 on split screen multiplayer, tell me its got more horsepower in that CPU/GPU I fucking dare you lol. If 343i can't get a half decent frame rate at sub 720 resolution, while shedding dynamical lighting, having low frame rate foliage, a fairly predictable AI, then wtf are they using all the "power" on.... bring on next-gen I say!

BTW, not ripping on Halo, massive Halo fan, but the frame rate sucks dick in co-op.

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