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PS Vita Is 'Niche', Has Little Future Despite Price-Cut - Pachter

NowGamer: PS Vita doesn’t have ‘much of a future’ according to analyst Michael Pachter, who has dismissed the importance of the handheld’s sales quadrupling in Japan. (PS Vita, Sony)

MultiConsoleGamer  +   998d ago | Well said
Pacther says the Vita is doomed? I guess this means its destined to be the best selling portable of all time.
TimmyShire  +   998d ago
It's becoming more and more apparent that Pachter has no idea what he's talking about. What an idiot.
NewMonday  +   998d ago
handhelds are not "Niche" in Japan.
andibandit  +   998d ago
Pachter is wrong
in saying the Vita is niche. It should be applied to handhelds in general. The main reason the 3DS is holding up is because parents buy them for their kids so they can keep themselves entertained.

Im afraid theres no denying that the handheld market has been in a steady decline for several years now.
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falcon79  +   998d ago
To be fair Patcher did say Vita wont catch on and he also said,do people want a very powerful handheld when we have home consoles ? he was right.
dedicatedtogamers  +   998d ago
@ adnibandit

I don't know how you - or anyone - can think that the handheld market has been in steady decline. It simply is not true. The DS/PSP generation were by far the largest handheld generations of all time. DS is the best-selling handheld of all time, and PSP sold nearly as much as the GameBoy Advance. You want to talk about "handheld market in decline"? Go back to the 90s when SEGA, Atari, SNK, and a ton of others all tried to enter the handheld market and they failed.

The dedicated gaming handheld market has never been stronger. Numbers don't lie.
ritsuka666  +   998d ago
Sess Pacther makes valid points as always.
I guess this means its destined to be the best selling portable of all time. "

At this rate i doubt Vita will surpasses the 3DS in japan .. Anyway,Make fun of the analysis of PActher all you want Ps fanboys, but Sony needs to do something fast about people's perception and word of mouth.
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AsimLeonheart  +   998d ago
Pachter also says the Wii U is doomed and XBOX 720 will be more expensive than PS4 and it will focus on media functionality more than games. It means those must be true as well if you believe Pachter so much, right?
DarkHeroZX  +   998d ago
how can ritsuka still comment? And the Vita doesn't need to outsell the 3ds to be a success. If the 3ds and PSV repeat the success of the PSP and DS that'd be more then enough to see some amazing games and for both companies to make good money. Sales really don't mean a thing. PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide now but it took years to become profitable and even then it's still in the red overall. 360 and the wii where very affordable and made wayy more money.
a_adji  +   998d ago
I Normally disagree with pacman but the numbers don't lie. Also, why wou you want an expensive handheld that cost te same or more than your home console? This was te issue with 3ds but its doing awesome now.
tubers  +   998d ago
A price drop is imminent. Don't trust Sony saying "there's no plan for that".
FriedGoat  +   997d ago
There will be no price drop. Japan are paying what we pay now with their price drop.

It's worth every penny, the Vita is brilliant.
kopicha  +   997d ago

yea, which is why people dont need smartphones when they have much more powerful computers at home. /sarcasm
Dailynch  +   998d ago
Pachter is never wrong. EVER.
TheGrimOfDeath  +   998d ago
I don't know if you are just kidding or are saying what you think is true.
Y_5150  +   998d ago
That better have been sarcasm.
bicfitness  +   998d ago
It will make a nice companion device to the PS4 if remote play delivers. They do need a new model that has built in memory though. Paying extra and considering various storage prices and options only confuses and annoys the consumer (I like that type of personalized ownership, but many people don't).

Sony need to pay to have MH put on the device too, or Soul Sacrifice needs to become a mega, smash hit. Either scenario will keep the Vita going strong overseas.
tubers  +   998d ago
I disagree with the built in memory.

IMO, it's more costly for them to make a new model that also somewhat shafts the early adopters this early. Sony isn't Nintendo (with their 3DS/LL/XL).

At least bundle in the lowest unit with a 4 GB card and have a major price cut on all MMC capacities.
Cocozero  +   998d ago
Japan is the only place where it has a chance of being releveant, the rest of the world are happy with their smartphones/tablets and 3DSs.

Dedecatied gaming hardware for more than £150 won't succeed this gen, Sony would be smart to drop it now at cut their losses because no 3rd party dev will touch it.
bicfitness  +   998d ago
"Japan is the only place where it has a chance of being relevant, the rest of the world are happy with their smartphones/tablets and 3DSs."

EU and NA are the 3DS' worst performing markets, according to Nintendo's own expectations and results, so the last part of your statement is incorrect. I'll agree with you on price though, Vita needs to be $200 or under WITH storage bundled or built in to really stand any chance at being competitive on a world-wide basis.

Who knows though, its limping along to about 5 million now and Sony won't be pulling the plug any time soon, so it could have legs yet. Speculating that far out into the future exponentially increases the chance that you will be wrong. So I tend not to make personal predictions beyond 6-9 months. Markets, technology in particular, evolve too fast.
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tubers  +   998d ago
"Technology in particular, evolves too fast."

That's both a problem and a boon for the VITA.

Mobile industry evolves so fast that not even the VITA graphics (w/c is touted a major feature against competition) will be irrelevant.

It's a boon since mobile components (w/c the VITA has) will become cheaper a lot quicker so a VITA should be priced lower every now and then if Sony doesn't beef up the hardware.

Nintendo is SAFE w/ its ancient hardware because they have the LEGACY (name brand and the crack/cocaine lineup).

IMO, GTA and GT are the two likely IPs that can make the VITA TRULY competitive internationally. Both of w/c sold extremely well on the PSP.
Rainstorm81  +   998d ago
I agree a $149 vita with no memory no games....then a 199$ vita with game and memory included.

This is the impulse buy price for the Vita, and i think its possible we will get this price point near the release of the PS4. Especially if they want the Vita to truly be the companion device to the PS4.

$150 is cheap enough for people to want it as a remote play device.....if every PS4 games indeed supports the feature DAY 1
nikrel  +   998d ago
199.00 for a 4gb card, and game. Than you have to buy PS+ & a 32gb card. you end up paying more.

150.00 + 32gb card + ps+, you will save money.
falcon79  +   998d ago
Wow so many dissagree's for stating how it is i agree with you kid.

Platstation gamers need to admit defeat,3ds was struggling not as bad like but Nintendo turned it around,Sony are incapable of turning there fortunes around they will fail big with ps4 coupling it with Vita ??? stupid move that,hey our new Console links up with out Vita that no one has bought,plus the combo will be about £600,for an inferior dual screen experience ??? It will bomb,720 and WiiU seem to know what gamers want.
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Ace_Pheonix  +   998d ago
Oh yeah, totally man. The XBOX that we know absolutely nothing about has everything that everyone wants, obviously. It's totally amazing. The other day I imagined it was a Transformer and it ripped apart my toaster, and I thought to myself "Wow, Microsoft is so good at making my imagination awesome when it comes to the new XBOX. I can't wait till it comes out!".
DarkHeroZX  +   998d ago
WiiU is failing, and XBOX will be a casual console you can use for tivo. Yeah gamers are real pumped for those two consoles...... And the PS4 doesn't just connect with the vita but smartphones and tablets. It is also noted that those features are all optional lol.

Trolls gonna troll i guess.
kenshiro100  +   998d ago
You don't know what you're talking about so stop while you're ahead.
stuna1  +   998d ago
falcon79 is Pachter in disguise.
HiddenMission  +   998d ago
I have both a my Samsung Note and Note 10.1 and guess what I still have my Vita. No smart phone or tablet can replace a dedicated gaming console...and only a anti gamer would believe that.

Truth is only 2 things have been hold Vita back from moving numbers 1st is's still too expensive in most regions and the second is titles which is just now coming into maturity PSO2 says high.

Once the above come forward and PS4 game streaming comes to Vita it will fly off shelves...and guess what every gaming related prediction I have made has come true so I would know much better than Mr. Pachter and yourself...
poopsack  +   998d ago
falcon79  +   998d ago
I'm falcon and i'm not patcher u idiot,Sony need to learn balance with power,oh sorry that takes real skill,all sony do is use everyone elses tech and throw it all together,Nintendo tweak technology to perform better so it's affordable ???? FACTS HURT.

Sony fans are blind i used to be one until i came on the internet and found out most Sony fans are blind immature kids that just think higher spec numbers means better performence ?? then why an earth did the 360 with a less powerful hardware but more balanced make for better graphics and gameplay explain.
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G20WLY  +   997d ago
Oh calm yourself down! lmao

"I'm Falcon" - no, you're some angry child with a limited grip on reality and this is clear from your 3 posts in this thread alone.

You praise Pachter's opinion, only when he bashes Sony. You want to talk about balance, yet your hate for Sony blinds your ability to make a balanced judgement. Do you seriously fail to see the irony there?

Oops, sorry, "Irony"... Not what your mother does to your school uniform, but rather "a pretense of ignorance and..", actually, no - Google is your friend. Sadly, it's quite possible it's your only friend with the attitude you appear to have.
DigitalSmoke  +   998d ago
Pachter clown... gtfo.
talocaca  +   998d ago
That's what many of us thought of his career and he is still, there's always hope.
raWfodog  +   998d ago
He's still around because he predicted that he would be fired after his first year.
clearelite  +   997d ago
hahahahahahha, both of you.

His reputation is a bit spotty, or should I say Pachy
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SDF Repellent  +   998d ago
I normally don't agree with Pachter, but he is dead on with the Vita. It might do good in Japan, because, well it is Japan, but in the Western World, it has little to no chance of succeeding, I am afraid. Smart phones and the ipads really is changing the landscape of the portable gaming industry. Very unfortunate.
fsfsxii  +   998d ago
And how did you know that it won't succeed???
Its selling pretty well and people loved the PSP they wouldn't ditch its successor, plus sony is not stupid not to drop the price world wide
PimpDaddy  +   998d ago
How is less than 4 million Vita consoles sold in it's first year on the market even WITH holdiay price cuts and bundles selling well???

The market is a lot more competitive with smart phones and tablets selling games that are cheaper and easier and more accessible.

I have said it before and I will say it again. Sony misjudged the "demand" for a dedicated handheld gaming console in todays market. The only reason the 3DS is selling so well is because Nintendo makes games that interest users outside of the so-called "core" gamer and the price is under 200 dollars.
tiffac008  +   998d ago
Actually Sony should drop the price world wide for the Vita now. A boost in sales could create confidence to localize and develop games for the handheld.

Especially the memory cards. There is now way to justify those prices even with the current cuts.
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ALLWRONG  +   998d ago
Portable gaming will be phased out in favor of phones and tablets.
Blank  +   998d ago
Well you certainly live up to your username
fsfsxii  +   998d ago
Games on phones and tablets are aimed at the people who don't know what a handheld gaming device is
They entertain me for 2 minutes and i shut them down
clearelite  +   997d ago
Only if intelligence is phased out as well.
clearelite  +   997d ago
Have you seen the 3DS sales figures? They are outstanding here.

The Vita just needs better marketing here and of course, more games will be helpful.
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RTheRebel  +   998d ago
Wrong Again HUH? A-Hole lol
Captain Tuttle  +   998d ago
How is he wrong? He didn't say it was a bad product, just that it was a niche one.
caseh  +   998d ago
I couldn't justify dropping over £200 on a handheld that doesn't have many great games when I already have a PS3 at home.

The deciding factor would be if I travelled a lot then it would make far more sense. In regards to that it is a niche product, why the hell would you get a Vita if you intend on playing at home when your PS3 is only on the other side of the room.
miyamoto  +   998d ago
Oh Mr. Pachter, just play with your Vectrex or Atari 2600, okay?

You troll just about any platform from Japan.
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r21  +   998d ago
Sooooo its gonna do great then, thanks Patcher. I can always rely on your wrong predictions for the right ones.
EffectO  +   998d ago
Even if Vita somehow magically remained at 60k per week for the rest of the year,software would be lagging like 1.5-2 years.Hard to release(or localize) something that doesn't exist.
PimpDaddy  +   998d ago
I have an idea. Instead of dismissing Pachters opinion why don't we discuss why so many of you on N4G think that the Vita will be successful?

It has barely sold over 4 million consoles and has been out on the market since December of 2011.

If $249.00 USD is such a bargain for the Vita why isn't it selling like hotcakes? Why are Vita games sales so low if it has all these great games?

Couldn't have anything to do with Smart Phones and Tablets could it? Or the lack of demand to play these "core" games on the go?

Instead of nerd raging and hitting disagree lets try to have a calm discussion instead.

For the record I purchased 4 PSP's. So each of my kids could have one. As I type this I still haven't found a reason to run out and get a Vita. I am very skeptical about the longvity of the console. I'm really worried that if sales continue to lag that 3rd parties won't support the Vita.
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kreate  +   998d ago
Calm down dude. No one is going on a nerd rage.
Ppl dont like michael pachter cuz he's a dumb@ss.

I do agree that vita isnt selling well.

As for me, I bought a vita thinking i can get most of my ps3 games on the go just to be disappointed w that feature.

Than after playing uncharted, grAvity rush, dynasty warriors. There's nohing else for me to play so I sold it on craigslist.

Im still waiting for some more games to come out but I dont see any, and I dont bother looking either. Im just happy w my ps3 cuz of the overload of games on it. Got a big backlog.
sherimae2413  +   998d ago
you dont know what ur talking about
back in 2006 when the psp had lunch the only competition it has is the 3ds but things have change now
the vita had many competition not only the 3ds, there is iphone tablets and smartphones to be choose by consumers
but still the vita manage to sell 6 times what it sells last week in japan that means a lot people has interest in it and just waiting for the price drop and it will have a steady release of games in japan

besides were talking about sony here and they are known for supporting their systems for a long period of time
i would believe what you say if the psp is discontinued 3 years ago cuz many people says its dead?
so much for dead handheld that outsold a new console like the wii u
PimpDaddy  +   998d ago
The reason the Vita sold so well in Japan this past week is because it got a spike from the price drop. Within a few weeks those numbers will drop dramatically. Then what? Doesn't it bother you that even with the price drop it couldn't outsell the 3DS in Japan?

Sony cant afford to lower the price on the Vita to $200.00 because its still too expensive to manufacture and they have to start turning a profit. Those 5 years of losing billions of dollars has led to them selling their assets, restructuring, and layoffs.

Sony needs to create demand for the Vita or it will eventually get discontinued. Sony isn't Nintendo. Their first party games don't sell as well so they have to rely on third party support as well.

As long as sales are low the third partie software developers will stay away. As long as sakes are low and third parties stay away, consumers like myself will stay away too...
DiRtY  +   998d ago
Niche is one way to describe it. Dead is a better one.
Hicken  +   998d ago
Troll is the only way to describe you.
g-nome  +   998d ago
The only people who wish for it to fail are the ones who cannot afford it. With PS+ ,ps4 integration it will do just fine.
Dragos75  +   998d ago
"With PS+ ,ps4 integration it will do just fine."

Maybe but it shouldn't be that way. Vita needs to stand on it's own without help from PS4. I'm afraid Patcher may have a point here. He isn't the only one who predicted that Vita would struggle.
kenshiro100  +   998d ago
Or, they just hate Sony with a passion.
Captain Tuttle  +   998d ago
Who said anything about "wanting it to fail"?
Gwizz91  +   998d ago
I dont want the ps vita to fail. I just wish it had more games. Maybe thats whats holding it back.
VR-4nic  +   998d ago
Funny thing is one week after the price cut in Japan the VITA is showing some real promise selling 62,543 units last week! Only time will truly tell now but I think over the long haul the Vita will sell just fine!

last weeks sales numbers
Vita – 62,543
3DS LL – 50,265
3DS – 27,174
PS3 – 25,725
PSP – 11,171
Wii U – 10,021
Wii – 1,383
Xbox 360 – 486
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DiRtY  +   998d ago
15k less than the 3DS right after a price cut and a pretty big title coming out in a few days is good?

Care to explain?

Especially with new smartphones like the Samsung Galaxy SIV coming up, which has way better specs than the Vita.
FunAndGun  +   998d ago
way better specs...but does it have buttons and analogs?
Inception  +   998d ago
Officially, the price cut takes effect on 28th Feb and Media Create only track it for 4 days (until 3rd march). So 62k unit in 4 days with only 2 big seller like Shenran Kagura and Phantasy Star Online 2 (this game is free-to-play) IS really good for vita.

The next two week is another story when more big games coming out such as Tales of Heart R, Soul Sacrifice, DoA 5+, and One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2. I predict vita will have around 70-100k+ for two week.

"Especially with new smartphones like the Samsung Galaxy SIV coming up, which has way better specs than the Vita."

Lol, i hope your just kidding on this one. Because i never see samsung galaxy 1-3 on japan weekly gaming chart :P Not even on US / EU gaming chart.

Besides, the majority of japanese gamers knew if they want to play real games on the go, than they will choose nintendo or sony handheld instead samsung galaxy :P
Ace_Pheonix  +   998d ago
Wow, 486 360s? It's having a great week over there!
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danny818  +   998d ago
Guys im getting more and more determined to become an analyst. C'mon ask me a question :)
Felonycarclub8  +   998d ago
Why does patcher still have a job? I just don't get this guy I mean my 2 year old probably knows more about the video game industry than he does.
fsfsxii  +   998d ago
Can't believe people that compare smartphones with Handheld gaming devices -__-
Gr81  +   998d ago
Is only right when discussing matters about Nintendo. If he branches out and talks negatively about Sony's products N4G labels him a moron.
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Thepcz  +   998d ago
funny how sony fans turn up in droves to applaud pachter when he slates the wiiu and says it will be a failure, but then say hes an idiot when he slates the vita.
SDF Repellent  +   998d ago

Just like how they dismissed VgChartz when it is not in their favor but will use it and pretend it is the bible of gaming sales when they find it convenient to do so. This is N4G for you.
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despair  +   998d ago
Firstly you need to show that the same people who praise him for WiiU doom news are the same people who bash him for anti-playstation news because some of us bash him on all his predictions. I hated him from the start, he pulls predictions from thin air and then pitch his bullshit to us as substantial data.

What I want to see is a breakdown of his past predictions compared to what actually happened, if he is right more than 70% of the time (and he will not be) I might change my mind on him a little, but I doubt it.
LOL_WUT  +   998d ago
Well, the price cut in japan is the only thing saving the Vita in that region, everywhere else it's doing horribly.

He was right about the Wii U so who's to say he can't be right about this?
kenshiro100  +   998d ago
People hated him even when he wasn't making predictions for Sony products.
Williamson  +   998d ago
Once the vita gets a price cut it will sell respectively and it will have more games announced to the many already available. If the vita follows a similar fate to the Dreamcast then I don't know about gaming anymore, if such a great device like the vita fails it would be shameful.
stuntman_mike  +   997d ago
The new killzone on the vita looks amazing.
DivineAssault  +   998d ago
idk why analysts compare handheld numbers to tablets n smart phones.. The whole world doesnt play video games but most of it uses phones.. Thats a very stupid comparison to make.. I know vita wont sell as much as those things but it will be good enough to keep gamers happy n thats all it needs to do
TongkatAli  +   998d ago
I don't want the Vita to be a Bieber device. Hopefully those niche games from Japan come to America. Sony is going to support this device no matter what and that is the most important : ) not Beiber sales.

Edit: Software sales are more important and 3rd party is making money off the Vita. Ask Ubisoft :)
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stuntman_mike  +   997d ago
I got one very cheap second hand and i have to say its an awesome bit of kit with some excellent games (especially if you have ps+, free games!). the thing that's killing it for me is the price of the memory cards.
tubers  +   997d ago
*VITA's doing amazing!

(* as long as you don't use 3DS' success as a yardstick)

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