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Submitted by dekeliko 504d ago | opinion piece

What Nintendo Can Do to Win this Console Cycle

Oprainfall writes:

"This should have written after E3 2011, after the unveiling of the Wii U. Or after the lackluster E3 2012 conference. Or just before the system launched. But soon after the official unveiling of the PS4, this seems just as appropriate as ever. So, let’s dive into my ideas of how the Wii U can survive and possibly thrive this generation." (Nintendo, Wii U)

Bumpmapping  +   504d ago
100$ price cut some new IP's and a miracle.
_QQ_  +   504d ago
Sony's stocks have recently been downgraded to "junk"status, if anyone needs a miracle it is Sony, they may even go bankrupt in 4-5 years.
BrianC6234  +   504d ago
How exactly is $15.51 a share junk status? You don't know anything about the stock market, do you?
b-real  +   504d ago
@BrianC6234

These ratings have nothing to do the value of each share. Junk status refers to a firm that has to offer bonds with high return to make up for the fact that there is a high likelihood of defaults.
Steelmanner  +   504d ago
Although a price cut is unlikely at this point I would like to point out that the WiiU is at a price that is practical. I'm guessing you have a Playstation 3, becasue of your icon, and you have have gotten a deal if it were less than 350. Also, with stronger tech in the WiiU than the wii the price would have to be increased to pay for it, in addition the Tablet controller is a bit pricey, but that just Nintendo being Nintendo. They don't just give you a console and a controller they have always strived to have that big idea to set themselves apart. Also, with other next gen consoles on the horizon I wouldn't be surprised at all if both were at least 350 with the processing power, and other features, they claim they have.

However, I do slightly agree with the IP bit the games a at launch lacked in the US, but the games there were great. For example ZombiU is an amazeing game and if it weren't for those for the lack of online play and a few bad reviews it would have been a legitimate Title for Survival Horror. Also, Super Scribblenauts Ultimate is just a blast. I have loved every scribblenauts game so far and I have no reason to believe this one won't satisfy me. Unfortunetly, Nintendo held off on Titles like Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate in the U.S. also other titles were postponed for the WiiU because it takes a while to learn how to program for a new console.Luckily though the games are coming and they should be alot of fun when they get here.
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dboyc310  +   504d ago
Zombie u isn't an amazing game. It's good at best. The last of us would teach it a thing a two once it releases.
WiiUsauce  +   504d ago
@dboyc310, ZombiU is a 3rd party game and it is good, not great. I own it, you've probably never played it.

Also don't compare a first party Sony title to a third party Nintendo game. Wait til something comparable comes out from Nintendo. Probably the next Retro Studios game (some Naughty Dogg devs are working at Retro Studios now). Then we'll talk.
Enemy  +   504d ago
Lmao @ Bumpmapping. Everyone will forget the Wii U even existed when the PS4 and next Xbox come out. If it ain't selling now, it ain't gonna sell later.
EliteGameKnight  +   504d ago
"If it ain't selling now, it ain't gonna sell later"

The possibility of that is incredibly slim. For instance the PS3 and Xbox 360 had a rough selling period at the beginning. The PS3 was rather expensive and lacked games, similar to the Wii U, and the Xbox 360 suffered from the infamous Red Ring of Death which both cut sales and costed Microsoft a fortune in replacements.

Despite this both consoles became majorly popular and introduced many people to the world of gaming. I doubt that the Wii U will be forgotten, It may very well be less popular compared to the PS4 and Nextbox, but we just don't know yet.

If I could afford it, I would get all the consoles for the exclusives alone. After all, isn't that why we game? for the sheer entertainment of it. Let's not fill our subculture with rivalries and hatred when we're all here for the same purpose, to play!
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WiiUsauce  +   504d ago
there were months when the PS2 was outselling the PS3. So by your logic, the PS3 should've been a failure. Have a seat.
AKR  +   503d ago
"If it ain't selling now, it ain't gonna sell later."

- Well by that logic, the XBOX 360, PS3 and 3DS should have all flopped eons ago. Once Microsoft got it's hardware errors resolved, and developers got good quality games releasing, the 360 took off.

- Once devs started getting good quality games releasing, and it got a price cut - the PS3 took off to. Same scenario with the 3DS.

All consoles launch on a rough road, so I don't know what foolishness you're talking about. The Wii U is already selling more than the PS3 and 360 in the same space of time (their beginning months.)

All the Wii U needs right now is a steady stream of quality games and it's good to go. A price cut, although nice, isn't possible - according to Nintendo, who's already selling the system at a LOWER PRICE than it takes to MAKE it.

When quality software starts revving up, so will the system's sales. Same can be said for Vita, too. Even when the PS4 and XBOX 720 come along, that doesn't doom the U. Once again - if it's library is getting freshly updated with fun, quality titles - it's set. Not to mention it's lower price-tag, and complete backwards~compatibility will also be a plus point, when it's on the display shelf with it's competitors.
pain777pas  +   504d ago
Here is the thing Nintendo is in a very difficult position. Sony has the 1st party strength in reality IF your not in love with Mario and Zelda. We all are guilty of our Mario and Zelda nostalgia but in moving gaming forward with proven developers who constantly reinvent themselves, its Sony. Nintendo is holding on and they will never fail because of Mario and handhelds but they will not fair that well this gen no matter the price. Games are just going to be that good this gen in every way. This will be the PS2 era all over again. Not is sales but in the no loading times etc... Plus, the things like stopping and starting on the PS4 is such a big deal that... yeah. Price might not save them in the least because the PS3 and 360 can still compete with the Wii U and be a logical alternative honestly. Nintendo should have combined their home and portable offerings by releasing a portable tablet console running on gingerbread or something... A tethered tablet is just too restrictive in my opinion.
PopRocks359  +   504d ago
All they need to do to "win" is succeed in making a profit. Just like Microsoft succeeded in the previous two generations and just like how Sony succeeded for the previous three, even with the rocky start for the PS3.
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onyoursistersback  +   504d ago
win what?? sales???
if anything Nintendo has won the young hearts of millions!!!
Sales thou.....they need AAA games.
Jobesy  +   504d ago
"won the young hearts of millions"

Not sure about that. I think more parents buy their kids Nintendo products because of reputation and nostalgia more than the kids are actually asking for them. Between my son, nephews, nieces, their friends, and my friends kids all of them would rather play on a PS3, 360 or even tablets before Nintendo products. I asked my 7th grader if people were taking about the Wiiu and the general consensus was it's "lame".

I really want Nintendo to do well, but why don't they expand their 1st party lineup with new ips. Keep Mario, Zelda, Metroid, but promote and nurture new Ips first and foremost.
Qrphe  +   504d ago
I doubt Microsoft made a profit with the Xbox. It was out for 3-4 years before the 360 came out and it was expensive to make to begin with. Plus software sales weren't stellar.
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C0MPUT3R  +   504d ago
Microsoft lost $5 Billion dollars on the original Xbox.
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Then started out by losing $4 Billion dollars the first few years of the 360s life. (Selling at $150 loss & RROD).
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Xbox 360 has been profitable for 5 years running since.
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Onto the Wii U
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I find it funny Nintendo fans keep saying. "Wait till 3D Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, etc. THEN IT WILL TURN AROUND.
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The GAMECUBE had all of those.
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How did it do? 22 Million. Yeah.
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What is scarier is the fact the GC was at least on par with PS2 generationally. Now they are a gen behind with, an archaic Account system, Online, and OS feature set.
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The system is going to get undercut the entire gen by the cheaper PS360. And smashed over the head by the more powerful PS4720.
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And to top it all off the controller is going to keep the system unnecessarily more expensive.
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I am not going to argue Nintendo is doomed that is stupid. BUT the Wii U is.
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PopRocks359  +   504d ago
@C0MPUT3R

Generally speaking, gaming was less mainstream at the time. The PS2 sold a lot based on its software and word of mouth more so than anything else. Since the Wii's break into the casual audience, I think gaming has become a lot more mainstream than it used to be.

Sure, Mario and all of those games didn't make GCN sales skyrocket, but one price drop and two Mario games after launch the 3DS, especially now that a broader audience has been introduced to Nintendo franchises, not only picked back up but it also became a top seller.

Saying the Wii U is doomed, four months into its life when the Vita has been selling worse for the better portion of its time (yes, I'm aware it sold better during one week in the UK and another in Japan, but neither sold very well at the time) is ludicrous.
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kamikazepikmin  +   504d ago
really? losing 4 billion dollars from the 360 is a success, and sony losing $6 billion on the ps3 is also a success. odd
delboy  +   503d ago
You right, the only winner this gen was Nintendo.
Same will happen next gen, Sony and Ms will be forced to sell their hardware with loss to compete with WiiU.
So don't be surprised if ps4 turns out to be the final nail for Sony.
OpenGL  +   504d ago
Microsoft lost more than $3,000,000,000 on the original Xbox and the 360 lost a few billion during its first couple years due to the high hardware costs and RROD issues.

A more apt comparison would be to the Gamecube, which made Nintendo hundreds of millions a year despite the platform only selling a little over 22 million units over a 5 year period.
arbitor365  +   504d ago
i think the ship has sailed on this one. most of the wii u's problems are in-built.

it simply wont be able to keep up with the increasing demands of developers for strong next gen tech. its hard to develop for to boot.

and it certainly wont be able to match the online features that the PS4 and surely the 720 are bringing to the table. not in the slightest.

this article showers us with nintendo first party titles, but that mentality is exactly what got nintendo into this dilemma. nintendo clearly does not take third party support (or online) seriously at all.

first party games did not save the N64 and they did not save the gamecube. the only reason the wii sold was because of casual support. and that market is long gone at this point.

so, in short, the wii u is doomed.
kirbyu  +   504d ago
Yeah, sure, if you care about meaningless details like that.

The Wii U will succed, because people are going to buy it.

People will buy it when SSB4 comes out, when 3D Mario comes out, when Zelda comes out, when anything else worth playing comes out.
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PopRocks359  +   504d ago
Ignore the original comment. If his ideology was based on facts, the 3DS and the PS3 would have tanked miserably. He also conveniently forgot to mention that despite low hardware sales, the N64 and the GCN were both profitable consoles in the long run and therefor were financially successful on Nintendo's part.

@disagrees

Tell me, what crystal ball does arbitor365 have that has you guys so convinced that what he's saying is written in stone?
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Root  +   504d ago
" meaningless details like that. "

So the console not being able to keep up with third party support despite that being something Nintendo were hoping to improve on with this console unlike the Wii, is meaningless.

No...it's a problem because if most third party devs won't support it now how the hell are they going to keep up in the future.

It will end up like what the Wii was to the 360/PS3
kirbyu  +   504d ago
@Root
I was just joking with the first part. I was saying it's not something anyone thinks about when playing a game. They're important, but, imagine this: You're playing something on Wii U, is it's slow loading speed at all what you're thinking about?
kamikazepikmin  +   504d ago
@arbitor. after reading that post, i think i contracted cancer.
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RTheRebel  +   504d ago
Cant take you seriously after debating mld and losing to him lol
arbitor365  +   504d ago
when did I ever debate MLD? I posted a few comments on one of his videos over a year ago. and I think that is the extent of my interactions with him.

is that guy even still making videos? if so, that is kinda sad.
BitbyDeath  +   504d ago
I'd be more interested if they got rid of the tablet.
Donnieboi  +   504d ago
Nintendo can definately have a chance at a win if they kick that bum Iwata to the curb. He's been keeping the hardcore fans and 3rd party devs at bay ever since he became prez during the Gamecube era.
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ylwzx3  +   504d ago
and Reggie.
LOL_WUT  +   504d ago
@ Donnieboi Well said bubbles ;)
MadMen  +   504d ago
Nothing, WiiU is a failure
kamikazepikmin   504d ago | Immature | show
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   504d ago
Usher at E3?
Mecca4  +   504d ago
Zelda , Mario, metroid, Mario cart, helllooooooo, anything else out there, .......... Silence
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   504d ago
What can Nintendo do?
OK, I will think of something that will get hate.

First, no matter what people say, Nintendo can maintain. We are only 3 months in- but let's say all of the bad continues- Nintendo has had worse generations in the past and in those generations, they still managed to turn profits.
That was before the ridiculous amount of dough they made on Wii.

Second, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and Maro Kart ARE EXCLUSIVES.
What are you making fun of some of the biggest exclusive in the business. That would be like saying "All Microsoft has is HALO and!" or "All Sony has is Uncharted and.."
I think we are all smart enough to know that multiplats don't sell systems they just make a system look more appealing or equivalent.

Third, Nintendo wanted the "cORE" but they are still going to try to appeal to the Casuals. WiiU Sport and WiiU Fit are coming in the next 2 years. All of the people with Wii Balanced boards will be back.

Fouth, Pokemon.

Fifth, SMASH BROTHERS. (A game that is so worthless, that Sony tried to blatantly copy it- even admitted it. -No hate at Sony, just making a point).

Fifth, Monolith and Retro Exclusives.
Xenoblade was considered last year as the best RPG last year.
Retro has critical acclaim as a gaming studio (Both Prime and DKC)

Sixth, How do we know that WiiU won't continue to get Port even from PS4 and 720?

Things to Consider:

-Did you know that Ubisoft and many others have said that there would be less exclusives Next Gen, due to cost? And most of those game will be on PC too.

-Did you know that many are in a bad place financially?
How much will PS4 cost and XB720?

Conclusion:
IF you are honest, you will see that all you are banking on is Processing Power and the FEW “cORE” exclusives that the other systems will have.

I am Banking on Nintendo being 30 Year veterans in this here Gaming-Game and the proof (over and over) that Power does not = Console War Win.

That said, I wish all Systems good luck. I will enjoy all E3 shows. I don't Hate.
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AKR  +   503d ago
FINALLY - Someone who uses logic "CouldHaveYelledUiiW" ; - Hats off to you good sir.
mamotte  +   504d ago
Looking at all the previous commentaries, and the account of likes and dislikes in each one... N4G really hates Nintendo.

You cant say anything good about it without getting bashed.

Edit: And something as elaborated as "WiiU is a failure" is praised.
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CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   504d ago
What can Nintendo do?
OK, I will think of something that will get hate.

First, no matter what people say, Nintendo can maintain. We are only 3 months in- but let's say all of the bad continues- Nintendo has had worse generations in the past and in those generations, they still managed to turn profits.
That was before the ridiculous amount of dough they made on Wii.

Second, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and Maro Kart ARE EXCLUSIVES.
What are you making fun of some of the biggest exclusive in the business. That would be like saying "All Microsoft has is HALO and!" or "All Sony has is Uncharted and.."
I think we are all smart enough to know that multiplats don't sell systems they just make a system look more appealing or equivalent.

Third, Nintendo wanted the "cORE" but they are still going to try to appeal to the Casuals. WiiU Sport and WiiU Fit are coming in the next 2 years. All of the people with Wii Balanced boards will be back.

Fouth, Pokemon.

Fifth, SMASH BROTHERS. (A game that is so worthless, that Sony tried to blatantly copy it- even admitted it. -No hate at Sony, just making a point).

Fifth, Monolith and Retro Exclusives.
Xenoblade was considered last year as the best RPG last year.
Retro has critical acclaim as a gaming studio (Both Prime and DKC)

Sixth, How do we know that WiiU won't continue to get Port even from PS4 and 720?

Things to Consider:

-Did you know that Ubisoft and many others have said that there would be less exclusives Next Gen, due to cost? And most of those game will be on PC too.

-Did you know that many are in a bad place financially?
How much will PS4 cost and XB720?

Conclusion:
IF you are honest, you will see that all you are banking on is Processing Power and the FEW “cORE” exclusives that the other systems will have.

I am Banking on Nintendo being 30 Year veterans in this here Gaming-Game and the proof (over and over) that Power does not = Console War Win.

That said, I wish all Systems good luck. I will enjoy all E3 shows. I don't Hate.
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solid_warlord  +   504d ago
times have changed, they cannot entirely depend on Mario's/metroids & Zelda games.

They are loosing third party support. Most top games overall are third party. They lose it and they will lose the wider audience.

So far Wii U is turning out to be more like gamecube, purely for Nintendo fans and nobody else.
WiiUsauce  +   504d ago
Sure they can. Because each entry in their main series is always drastically different from the last, which is why people highly anticipate the new entries so much. Can you really say that Super Mario Galaxy is exactly the same as Super Mario Sunshine? not with a straight face you can't. Look at Wind Waker and compare that to Skyward Sword; they are drastically different from each other and only share a few core staples that define what a Zelda game is.

Same with Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Super Smash Bros. Melee. The two play drastically different from one another. Brawl has entirely new stages, mechanics, modes, events, playable characters, brand new items like assist trophies, music, even 3rd party characters like Sonic and Solid Snake were introduced. The games keep getting better and better, and you'll see a drastic difference in Super Smash Bros. 4 again when compared to Brawl.

In some cases, core Nintendo franchises jump into entirely new genres. Example: Super Metroid vs Metroid Prime.

Anyone who says that all Nintendo does is put out the same game over and over are complete idiots who are only talking out of their asses and have never played any of those games to begin with. Sad, because they stand as some of the greatest pieces of entertainment ever crafted, and don't take my word for it. Just look at the top highest rated games of all time. 5 of the top 10 are Nintendo games, and there are countless Nintendo games throughout the list.
http://www.gamerankings.com...
solid_warlord  +   503d ago
@WiiUsauce

Meh. Shooters will be shooter at the core and so will a platform game like mario. Mario, Metroid & Zelda is not enough. No way i will be spending £300 plus just to play those games that do not interest me at all. I prefer masculine games, mario games are not masculine.

Future Mass effects, COD, BF and many more top multiplatform titles wont come out on Wii U due to Wii u being far behind.

All in All, Wii U is for people that wanna play a few titles that are only made by Nintendo.
Xer0_SiN  +   504d ago
what can nintendo do? for one. they can create a time travel machine to the days of the snes and enjoy their laurels, on the likes of earthbound, chrono trigger, final fantasy II (4) and III (6), breath of fire 1 and 2, act raiser, secret of mana, etc. for two. they can cease this non sense they call the virtual boy 2, i mean wii u, and create a machine that will actually have a decent shot against sonys ps4. why do you think nintendo was so quick to kill off the wii? they are trying, desperately to get the consumers to scoop up the next fad. the consumers already learned their lesson with the first gimmick machine. fool us once, shame on you...fool us twice, shame on me. the masses caught on to the gimmicks. nintendo...just...stop. give us the snes nintendo. thats what needs to happen.
Xer0_SiN  +   504d ago
disagrees? for what? the truth? LOL. why do you think sony disbanded from nintendo back then when they were supposed to make the snes cd? nintendo probably approached sony with all the gimmicky nonsense and scared sony away. we aint got time for that. sony didnt want to be considered the laughing stock to core gamers like how nintendo is now veiwed. in the eyes of a core gamer, the last true platform made was the snes. n64 MIGHT be and thats kind of pushing it.
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solid_warlord  +   504d ago
What Nintendo can do is be the better man, come out and admit there wrong and quit the home console market.

Tell the world that they are old for this and will now work on software only by supporting NEXT GEN consoles. It be the wisest thing to do. They don't wanna end up like Sega and be a laughing stock by being forced out financially.

Do the right thing Ninty, Do the right thing.
Broburger  +   504d ago
- Price cut
- Pro controller compatibility with ALL GAMES
- Change Miiverse, create a teen and adult section
- Ditch the limit of plays on demos
- Bring more games and demos to wiishop
PS4isKing_82  +   503d ago
Games would be a good idea. Considering there hasn't been anything come out since launch.
And make the pro controller usable on most games in addition to the gamepad.
I personally love everything about the wiiU, I just wish the games would start coming a bit quicker.

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