Rumor: Sony to Ship 16 Million PlayStation 4 Units in 2013
According to DigiTimes, Sony anticipates that PlayStation 4 will reach annual shipments of 16 million units in 2013. If true, this would make it the largest launch of any console.
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thats a large launch? i got to say im suprised i first thought it was comparably small, but if this is worldwide then im not so certain about this number
i better preorder immediatly after i find out the price
Yeah, thats double the best case scenario for a half years (two fiscal quarters) worth of system sales. And nothing in the article really supports the 16 million unit number. They have new markets in South America, Asia, and Africa, but these numbers are huge.
This is either bullshit, which it probably is, or Sony is gearing up to take the throne. By force.
Yeah, it is quite large - not to mention possibly overly-optimistic - especially considering Sony will only have about 4 months to ship that many, and it usually takes a year before sales really start taking off.
Count me in for that too. I can't wait for the ps4 launch the end of the year can't come fast enough I'm gonna make sure I save enough money to get a couple games this time unlike the ps3 where I only had the money for the console.
they might ship 16 million, but they'll only sell around 3-5 million by the end of the year. there is no way they're going to sell 16 million in the second half of this year. There's only about 5 million Sony drones out there anyway, so they'll sell to the drones for sure.
It is a large number considering the fact that it will only be released officially this year in Japan and the US. I will preorder it and pay in full probably through amazon. There is no way in hell that I'm going to stand in line like when the PS3 came out. One of the worst experiences in my life. I've never seen people sink so low in my life than what I've seen there.
For reference. Current gen consoles launched with <10M and reached 10-13 in a full calendar year. I could imagine there will be high demand. But 16 is too high, unless this is a quote for a whole year, not just launch. Not sure why'd bind so much capital, though. Maybe to get better rates on components??
16 million in how many months and possibly two regions? WTF are you guys smoking. I want some of it.
On average a console sells less than 2 million in first 3 months. Now if you guys are talking about from 2013 launch until 2014 launch date(1 full calender year). Then yes 16 Million is possible, but even so its a little higher than I expected. As PS3 and X360 in one year sold 10.x Million. So I was expecting 12-13 million possibly in one full year.
@ Ju, better rates on components makes a lot of sense, and maybe thats why its being done, to pass the savings on to us, so theres no big price tag
@ deadlyfire, i think the ps4 is going to have a world wide launch, not staggered like the ps3 launch. still those numbers are high, maybe ordering that many in bulk grabs a high discount?
You also have to relize that that may be how many are sold but at least in California finding one of those systems is pretty hard and requires waiting in lines to get. The Supply is way under demand on almost every console at launch by ahuge margin. Im not quite sure why no one has brought that up yet. in cali it took months for us to get a wii and took about a month to get a PS3 after waiting in line at Bestbuy with like 100 other people where they only had 5 for sale.
well no im not kidding, this could just be a number for united states i have no idea if canada or anywhere else is a part of this launch and if so would have to be split up. So to the best of my knowledge that doesnt sound like a alot to me if thats the case
"So to the best of my knowledge that doesnt sound like a alot to me if thats the case"
Clearly the "Best of your knowledge" is not much and highly out of line with reality. The PS2 at the peak of its selling powers was shipping between 16-20 million units a year worlwide. Educate yourself, then speak "to the best of your knowledge".
I was just saying Sony needs to be careful. I can see Sony Selling 16 mill, eventually. I understand they want to go hard but what if Something happens like they're not selling as good as they were hoping.
I'm not saying they won't sale well or have a tough launch but 8 or 9 mill is a safe bet.
Yes please!! Sony.. I want to get mine without a problem or having to wait.. and I have a feeling that even then it will be very hard to get one on the first month..
If SONY is confident they can sell 16 million units in 2013 then I think that also points to a reasonable price point on PS4 - it won't go over $600
To sell that many units you have to be priced just right and I think we could see a price between $529 & $599 or maybe even lower.. (but it will not be over 600)
16 million is huge, even the iPhone 5 had like 9 million units at launch and sold 5 million in 3 days.. So this is possible but the price has to be right in-order to do those kind of numbers..
I think it's a safe bet that the system will not go over 600 (So you can start saving now with 600 as your target- then add 150+ tax because you know your going to need some games at launch)
Why would you even suggest *over* 600? Of course it won't go over, but 599 would be the same thing all over again, and they won't meet expectations at that price. That's why even your low ball seems high.
OMG! how could I leave out Infamous - ok change that to about +350 because infamous is of course a day one buy
Looks like a safe bet is just have a $1000 ready for launch system + Games
@ KwietStorm
that's a good point, it's the GDDR5 ram -that's expensive so I was thinking we could get over, but now I'm thinking 5 something.. -Trust me I want it lower too but I was just thinking based off the specs and playing it safe..
@ kevnb
I agree, but how much lower can it really go, under 500 and SONY could be taking a real lost on each unit..remember PS3 launched at $599 and to do 16 million units is a lot to be taking a lost on.. I think if it comes in under 500 it's flying off the self. No question. But-250-300 is just too unrealistic, I'm sorry but look how long it too PS3 to get to that price point.. PS4 won't launch that low.
I highly doubt it. Though it will be good that number is just too high for a launch. If true then Sony is hiding a lot of things seeing how they have a lot of confiden in the ps4. True or not though I'm going to pre-order mine as soon as its available. Have a feeling they're going to sky rocket off retails quickly.
That's what I was thinking. If they launch in all the biggest territories simultaneously at a low enough price, the 16 million number might make sense.
If true... Sony making sure all the mistakes they made this current gen (last to launch, too expensive and difficult to develop for) does not happen for their next gen console. This means I expect their price to be $400 - $450.
This probably a made up rumor. Release worldwide is hard for any console to do because of localization of games. Usually the games just aren't ready in time for some territories.
That number seems crazy inflated. They would have to launch in September and sell 2.5 million to 3 million each month until the end of Fiscal Year 2013 (March 2014). I don't think that this information is correct. Maybe its 16 million in the first calendar year. But even that seems like a lot.
1st they wont have 16 million made by then. 2nd sony fiscal year (2013) ends in march 2013. So this article is talking about calender 2013 which gives them 3 months time.
So 5.3 million a month isnt happening. maybe 1.6 million depending on when it comes out
The ps4 is not shipping 16m units between its "holiday 2013 release" and december 31st. Unless they don't intend to replenish stock for the whole of 2014, which obviously is not the case lol
Highly unlikely. The PS4 will likely launch in the last few months of 2013, say october or november. Sony has so far confirmed that it would launch in (at least) one country/region this year. If it launches exclusively in Japan, there's no way it sells 16 million units in 2-3 months. Even in NA, this number would seem highly unlikely. As a matter of fact, a wordlwide launch would probably not get these sales.
You also have to add the fact that MS is also likely to ship its console late this year, which would mean a fierce competition in NA.
By digging up some old articles, it seems that bot the PS3 and the X360 sold about 5.5 million units each in their respective first 12 months on the market. Which leads me to believe 16 million units in 3 months is probably not happening.
I agree. These numbers are too high. But two things to consider. This might be FY13 which ends 1Q14 (March) for Sony (?). And I would guess 80% of a yearly quota is sold around the holiday season. This order could stretch out into 2014 (beyond FY13). But if they'd sell those until mid 2014 this would already be record numbers, IMO. I guess their market research team must have gotten carried away, huh? But then...it's on the internet. It must be true.
They're combining PS3 and PS4. There is simply no way PS4 can ship 16million units this year, no matter how good the launch is, it will never sell anywhere close to that.
It might just be a strategy. They are going to saturate the living daylights on the market and perhaps put advertisements everywhere. It worked for Microsoft.
Unless they are selling them for $200-$300 a pop its not going to happen. I forsee sony not shipping that amount and changing their forcast cause they couldnt move that amount.
And if true , Europe won't be a part of that figure. It takes God knows how long for Sony to tease apart the individual European languages - hence, we're always last in line. Sucks :( 2014 release for us.
I dont think its true but i also believe if sony did ship that many, they can sell them all pretty fast if the price is right. Ppl said the ps3 would NEVER catch the 360 after the year late launch of the ps3 & look where the ps3 is now. Ps3 will eventually catch the wii aswell when the price drops to $199 and surpass it in a few years.
They won't even be able to manufacture 16 million systems by the end of 2013. They might have a goal of 16 million in the first year but not by the end of 2013.
I don't think we will see more than 4 million PS4's made by the end of 2013. I expect sell-outs and it will be a hot item. So that would mean upwards of 12 million PS3's sold? Possible but not likely.
I'm going to wait until next year to get PS4. I know trying to get my hands on one this year isn't gonna happen or be easy. More then willing to wait it out.
Sony sell the consoles and ship them to your local EB, Best Buy etc. So it does mean sales for Sony. No company can measure sales to consumers, it is nigh impossible.
Most likely 16 million in 2013 was taken out of context. But looking at the website they might be on to something. Notice the "Taiwan" stuff on the right side, Foxxcon & Pegatron are Taiwanese companies. So they might have insider info, Digitimes is also a well known site.
I really hope for a 2013 European release also, PS3 launch made us wait almost 6 months compared to JP/US intitial release.
A launch that big could literally cost 6 or 7 billion dollars. I highly doubt Sony is going to spend that much to overship the PS4. I think they'll stick with the standard 1-2 million per market.
EDIT: After reading the article, it says that's the total amount planned for 2013, if they're launching worldwide this year, that isn't unreasonable at all.
Just look at the Wii U which sold only 3 million units over the holidays. How is the PS4 going to sell 16 million units over the span of a few months? As much as i would love for this to be true i honestly dont think it will happen.
" company expects to sell 5.5 million Wii U units by April."
Edit: Another point if Sony is expecting to sell 16 million units at launch that probably means that the console will be reasonably priced. Heck it could even be 400€ which is fantastic for me.
MAY INFACT MEAN THAT THE ps4 is very cheap to production of a system with the price of Tablet computing being cheaper. this could very well price in market for production for AMD like Nvidia does TEGRA!
if that is indeed the case which AMD will be selling the PS4 SOC to the market. where is those chips going?
if they are going into mobile devices the ps4 to market may be quite lower than many are thinking it to be.
we could be seeing a $299.00 th $349.00 retail price for the PS4!!! AT THAT PRICE 16 MILLION for the fiscal 2013 ending march 31 2014 may not be too far fetched. esp. if the ps4's hardware is mainly a mobile chipset modded to console living room space/
I don't see any way possible for Sony to sell 16 million PS4 consoles in it's first year of launch.
1.) Price Point. Even if the console launches at $299.00 which I don't believe for a second that is a lot of consoles to sell in a year for a new product.
2.) Demand. Who is going to rush out and buy the PS4 in the first year besides those of us, myself included that like to jump right in to the next generation of gaming? The 360 and PS3 aren't even selling 16 million consoles a year and they are cheaper and have a much larger catalog of games.
3.) Manufacturing. What makes any of us think that Sony is capable of manufacturing 16 million PS4 consoles in 1 year? It takes time to ramp up production and Sony doesn't even have the actual casing finalized and has themselves said the specs are not officially finalized.
I could see 8-10 million consoles sold in the first year if the price stats at $399.00 though...
im getting it day one. and so are my friends. no need to hold of on a sure thing purchase like a ps4, gamers love it, devs love it, and games love it. this is where everyone is gonna be online quite simply a sure thing.
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i better preorder immediatly after i find out the price
16 million shipments at launch, if true, it's simply HUGE...
Well, I am still pre-ordering. And I will be there at launch day, waiting in line!
Camp-time come holiday 2013! Wooohoooo!!! :D
It means, the PS4 will release in Europe too fall 2013, yeah :P
This is either bullshit, which it probably is, or Sony is gearing up to take the throne. By force.
Not wait till launch day
So I'm getting three.
Plus how hard is it to build a pc?
We have to remember that sony fiscal year is different than the standard year. Their year ends in March 2014, so this number doe sound reasonable.
Count me in for that too. I can't wait for the ps4 launch the end of the year can't come fast enough I'm gonna make sure I save enough money to get a couple games this time unlike the ps3 where I only had the money for the console.
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Does this mean PS4 will be very affordable?
PC parts are dirt cheap in Taiwan and China because they are not niche components.
Have you guys see a grown man cry because of excitement?
Day 1 preorder.
On average a console sells less than 2 million in first 3 months. Now if you guys are talking about from 2013 launch until 2014 launch date(1 full calender year). Then yes 16 Million is possible, but even so its a little higher than I expected. As PS3 and X360 in one year sold 10.x Million. So I was expecting 12-13 million possibly in one full year.
@ deadlyfire, i think the ps4 is going to have a world wide launch, not staggered like the ps3 launch. still those numbers are high, maybe ordering that many in bulk grabs a high discount?
You also have to relize that that may be how many are sold but at least in California finding one of those systems is pretty hard and requires waiting in lines to get. The Supply is way under demand on almost every console at launch by ahuge margin. Im not quite sure why no one has brought that up yet. in cali it took months for us to get a wii and took about a month to get a PS3 after waiting in line at Bestbuy with like 100 other people where they only had 5 for sale.
Clearly the "Best of your knowledge" is not much and highly out of line with reality. The PS2 at the peak of its selling powers was shipping between 16-20 million units a year worlwide. Educate yourself, then speak "to the best of your knowledge".
Who needs cable tv anyway?
I'm not saying they won't sale well or have a tough launch but 8 or 9 mill is a safe bet.
and I have a feeling that even then it will be very hard to get one on the first month..
If SONY is confident they can sell 16 million units in 2013 then I think that also points to a reasonable price point on PS4 - it won't go over $600
To sell that many units you have to be priced just right and I think we could see a price between $529 & $599 or maybe even lower.. (but it will not be over 600)
16 million is huge, even the iPhone 5 had like 9 million units at launch and sold 5 million in 3 days.. So this is possible but the price has to be right in-order to do those kind of numbers..
I think it's a safe bet that the system will not go over 600 (So you can start saving now with 600 as your target- then add 150+ tax because you know your going to need some games at launch)
Mine will be -(Day-One buys)
DriveClub
Killzone
Watch Dogs
-OMG- how could I forget-
Battlefield 4
Assassin Creed IV
Guess that 150 is going to have to be +250
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OMG! how could I leave out Infamous - ok change that to about +350 because infamous is of course a day one buy
Looks like a safe bet is just have a $1000 ready for launch system + Games
@ KwietStorm
that's a good point, it's the GDDR5 ram -that's expensive so I was thinking we could get over, but now I'm thinking 5 something.. -Trust me I want it lower too but I was just thinking based off the specs and playing it safe..
@ kevnb
I agree, but how much lower can it really go, under 500 and SONY could be taking a real lost on each unit..remember PS3 launched at $599 and to do 16 million units is a lot to be taking a lost on..
I think if it comes in under 500 it's flying off the self. No question. But-250-300 is just too unrealistic, I'm sorry but look how long it too PS3 to get to that price point.. PS4 won't launch that low.
Just my imagination literally.
But, it's probably just wrong.
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So 5.3 million a month isnt happening. maybe 1.6 million depending on when it comes out
The ps4 is not shipping 16m units between its "holiday 2013 release" and december 31st. Unless they don't intend to replenish stock for the whole of 2014, which obviously is not the case lol
You also have to add the fact that MS is also likely to ship its console late this year, which would mean a fierce competition in NA.
By digging up some old articles, it seems that bot the PS3 and the X360 sold about 5.5 million units each in their respective first 12 months on the market. Which leads me to believe 16 million units in 3 months is probably not happening.
1 of those is mine :)
One of them is my bros :)
And about 10 of them are for my mates :)
This gen, Sony will retake the market, PS2 style.
1. It will be a worldwide release
2. PS4 will be quite cheap
I know trying to get my hands on one this year isn't gonna happen or be easy.
More then willing to wait it out.
So it does mean sales for Sony.
No company can measure sales to consumers, it is nigh impossible.
But looking at the website they might be on to something.
Notice the "Taiwan" stuff on the right side, Foxxcon & Pegatron are Taiwanese companies.
So they might have insider info, Digitimes is also a well known site.
I really hope for a 2013 European release also, PS3 launch made us wait almost 6 months compared to JP/US intitial release.
EDIT: After reading the article, it says that's the total amount planned for 2013, if they're launching worldwide this year, that isn't unreasonable at all.
There is too much of a risk of launch models being faulty to ship that many.
Just look at the Wii U which sold only 3 million units over the holidays. How is the PS4 going to sell 16 million units over the span of a few months? As much as i would love for this to be true i honestly dont think it will happen.
http://www.gamespot.com/new...
" company expects to sell 5.5 million Wii U units by April."
Edit: Another point if Sony is expecting to sell 16 million units at launch that probably means that the console will be reasonably priced. Heck it could even be 400€ which is fantastic for me.
i do think this is talking about ps3+ps4 2013 total shipments for fiscal year ending in march 2014
IE: sony's fiscal year
now since
The ps4 chipset is a very powerful "mobile" chipset adapted for a living room console!
example
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
MAY INFACT MEAN THAT THE ps4 is very cheap to production of a system with the price of Tablet computing being cheaper. this could very well price in market for production for AMD like Nvidia does TEGRA!
if that is indeed the case which AMD will be selling the PS4 SOC to the market. where is those chips going?
if they are going into mobile devices the ps4 to market may be quite lower than many are thinking it to be.
we could be seeing a $299.00 th $349.00 retail price for the PS4!!! AT THAT PRICE 16 MILLION for the fiscal 2013 ending march 31 2014 may not be too far fetched. esp. if the ps4's hardware is mainly a mobile chipset modded to console living room space/
1.) Price Point. Even if the console launches at $299.00 which I don't believe for a second that is a lot of consoles to sell in a year for a new product.
2.) Demand. Who is going to rush out and buy the PS4 in the first year besides those of us, myself included that like to jump right in to the next generation of gaming? The 360 and PS3 aren't even selling 16 million consoles a year and they are cheaper and have a much larger catalog of games.
3.) Manufacturing. What makes any of us think that Sony is capable of manufacturing 16 million PS4 consoles in 1 year? It takes time to ramp up production and Sony doesn't even have the actual casing finalized and has themselves said the specs are not officially finalized.
I could see 8-10 million consoles sold in the first year if the price stats at $399.00 though...
LOOOOOOOOOOL
NO way in hell will sony ship 16 million PS4s in 2013.
For example the PS3 had 2 million consoles available in its release-year in 2006.
http://www.mtv.com/news/art...
Kinect was a huge success (eventhough you guys still try to deny it) and it sold 8 million in its release-year. Both launched in Q4.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011...