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No Backwards Compatibility For PS4 and Xbox? That's Bull@%#

Antwand Pearman aka BLACKBIBLE talks about the possibility of the next gen consoles not having backwards compatibility.The lack of backwards compatibility really affects more then consumers. It affects the small and independent, developers and publishers as well. In this video Antwand Pearman talks about the pitfall of backwards compatibility, and how console creators such as Sony could fix this issue in a fair way.

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jujubee881626d ago

Just keep the old console. :P

BLACKBIBLE1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

Here's my question what was the point in buying/making the recent HD collections if I'm not going to able to play them if I move to Next Gen. I.E Metal Gear HD collection, and Zoe HD Collection.

xRyan1626d ago

True, next-gen not having backwards compatibility is bullcrap for gamers. It also hurts them as well because a lot more people would buy next-gen at launch if they can play their old games on it.

aquamala1626d ago

because they can sell you Metal Gear Full HD collection, and Zoe Full HD collection

GasTankKiller1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

Who said you wouldn't be able to play them? It's not like the current systems are going to stop working once the PS4 or next Xbox release. So many people think its the end of the world because there won't be BC available.

If the concern is having the money for the next-gen system start saving now. No ones forcing you to purchase a next-gen system. Getting yourself upset about it isn't going to change the fact about next-gen systems having or not having BC.

Edit: How can someone disagree with this. If you disagree reply with why you disagree. People just love to hit disagree way to much these days.

Cupid_Viper_31626d ago

@ BestGamesNetwork

Sadly all evidences says the contrary. People like to moan and complain, but very few people wanted to pay $600.00 for the PS3 when Sony was already taking a $200.00 loss on it. And one of the reasons why the PS3 was so costly was because of Backward Compatibility and them having to basically include a PS2 inside the PS3.

I'm a bit bummed out about not being able to play my PS3 games on my PS4. But in no way, shape, or form do I believe that the PS4 should be compromised on what it is trying to offer, just so I could play my PS3 games on it. In the business world, for every positive, there's a negative as well. The PS4 cannot offer everything it currently does, plus PS3 Architecture for backwards compatibility. That's effectively taking 2 steps forward, and one step back.

Buy a PS3, new exclusives IP's are still being made for a reason.

Kamikaze1351626d ago

Because you're buying PS3/360 games. Not PS4/720 games.

Temporary1626d ago

get rid of all BC i dont care, I want my PS4 to be as cost-effective as possible. If it means getting rid of BC (which is useless anyway) then so be it.

I still have my PS3 and will continue to have it when PS4 rolls out.

decrypt1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

I been telling console gamers all along. You want to create a library PC is your only real option.

Games are much cheaper and you can get to keep them. All i ever get are disagrees lol, with remarks like "oh we can just keep the old console".

Again people you cant have multiple boxes linked up to a single TV just so you can play your old games. Cant have a PS2, PS3, PS4 all hooked up at the same time.

Bottom line is any one looking for BC should buy multiplats on PC. 25 years of BC and counting, It can play any PC game from decades, be it via Dosbox. It can play any console gamer in history (aside the PS3 and Xbox 360). PC just is the only option if you really want BC.

Now some people may whine oh PC costs too much. Thats not true if you put some research into it and build one yourselves. Beside dont just look at the price of a console and compare it to to the PC and call it expensive. Consider the games bought and the BC lost or all the cheaper games. I assure you for any real gamer PC is much much cheaper.

@temporary

A little extra money for BC would mean a ton saved on games, otherwise people would have to run out to buy new games for the new console.

If you still dont care about BC, are you going to have PS2, PS3, PS4 all hooked up at the same time?

Imalwaysright1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

1st- Moan? I don't know about you but i spent a lot of money on my games so obviously having BC ensures that the money i spent wont be going to waste. Thank God that in the real world, outside the N4g PS3 fanboy bubble, wanting to secure the investment a person has made is not considered moaning.

2nd -PS3 price had nothing to do with BC but everything to do with the Blu-ray drive so you should thank Sony for using you to win the format war. Don't pretend that at the time the PS3 launched a standalone blu ray player wasn't more expensive than a PS3.

3rd- @ GasTankKiller My PS3 died on me twice with YLOD. 1st time under warranty so i was sent a new 60GB phat. Last November my 2nd 60GB phat died so i had to buy a crappy PS3 slim and a PS2 (to secure the investment i made on roughly 70 PS2 games). Who is to say that any of those consoles won't die on me?

Edit @ Baka I replayed Vagrant Story, FFIX/10/12, all RE from 1 to 4, Canis Canem Edit, GTA3/San Andreas, Sillent Hill 2, Fatal Frame 2, all PS2 PoP, Hitman and SC games, MGS 1,2 and 3 on my 60GB phat and that is just from the top of my head.

Baka-akaB1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

"Can't have ps2 , ps3 and ps4 etc all hooked up"

Uh ? of course i can , already do (minus the ps4 but + the pc) and will do it .

You making a way bigger deal out of this than it actually is .

Everyone pretends they want it , but the truth remains than when available many of the console gamers dont bother replaying most of their old games , they move on or wait for yet other remixes .

Yeah it's better when we have the choice on PC , but only a minority care enough about that precise matter .

It's a big deal for pc gamers , wich is ok and natural , and never really was for console only gamers . And hybrid gamers just take the best from both worlds .

SilentNegotiator1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

Are you under the impression that games played via BC are "up-rendered" to HD? Because they aren't.

Your previous consoles won't evaporate when you buy a next-gen system and no one will force you to buy any remastered titles.

Cupid_Viper_31626d ago

@ ImAlwaysRight

to your first point. You are clearly mistaking Sony with Microsoft. The last PS1 game was released in 2005, Fifa 05. Meaning that When the xbox 360 released, PS1 games were still being made. Sony stopped the production of PS2 a few months ago, 13 after launching it, Games are still being made and PS2 is Cheaper than ever, Brand NEW! And you're telling me you want to secure your investment? Pfff... there's a already a solution, come up with a better problem.

2. Lol, yeah we should have been buying HD DVD attachments instead. Dude, a little history, when the PS2 launched, it was also the least expensive DVD player on the market, but it featured backward compatibility right? And yes, Sales numbers have proven that people prefer a more affordable console over backward compatibility.

3. and to your third point asking what happens if your PS3 dies on you? well let me ask you, what happens if your PS4 dies on you? That's right you either get it replaced if you're under warranty, or buy another one right? You can still buy every single console sony has put out in the last 15-20 years.

So like I said earlier, the solution to your non-existing problem is already there, all you have to do is come up with a real problem first.

Imalwaysright1626d ago

1st- I dont know what you're talking about

2nd- You didn't disprove my point at all. If standalone blu ray players were more expensive than a PS3 then its obvious that the reason why Sony was charging you € 600 for a PS3 was the blu-ray drive.

3rd What happens? I would have to buy a new one. But if my PS3 died on me (again) I wouldn't have to buy old hardware IF the PS4 had BC.

4th No real problem? Not for you maybe. I dont sell my games so the PS4 not having BC is a problem.

Derekvinyard131626d ago

Bible it's all about squeezing the last penny from the consumer, called exploiting something

WrAiTh Sp3cTr31626d ago

Hopefully MS has actually came up and implemented that "upscaling chip" for games that was rumored...along with the backwards compatibility of course.

MaxXAttaxX1626d ago

They were meant to be played on your PS3.
THAT was the point.

Hicken1626d ago

How stupid. The point in buying/making recent HD collections was to play previous gen games on current gen formats. Backwards compatibility doesn't come into play AT ALL. Bringing up HD collections doesn't even BEGIN to make sense, here.

Backwards compatibility is awesome. But it's not some right we're entitled to. Would I like to play PS3 games on the PS4 when I get one? Hell yeah. But it's no deal breaker if it's not there: I'll still have my PS3, like I still have my PS3, like I still have my PS1.

Do you have a PS3? Yes? Then keep it. The PS3 was made for PS3 games; the PS4 is made for PS4 games, believe it or not.

Saigon1626d ago

Did we forget that BC will be done differently this generation? So far we truly do not know the full details of what Sony is trying to do with BC other than the Gaikai Service, but for MS no details have been submitted yet, maybe next Month we will know. My point is that we are all jumping to conclusions without truly knowing any facts. I know the BC situation hurts people that do not have service, or their service is shoddy at best, but we truly do not know what or I should say how it will be implemented.

DarkHeroZX1626d ago

no PC can emulate the PS3 without the cell. unless you want the ps4 to cost $100 or more and be bulkier by having the cell and RSX chip then yeah it should be BC. Or if your like me you'll just keep your PS3. Beside once next gen really kicks off will you even really care to play ps3 games?

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Ares84HU1625d ago

This shit has got to stop already people. I'm voting down this site as well. Fucking making up bullshit!!

Show me an OFFICAL statement from Sony or Microsoft that states that there will be no backwards compatibility on either system!!

SHOW ME AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT!!!

Rageanitus1625d ago

this is why PC gaming tends to have a positive aspect to it. There are ways to even play games from windows 95 .

But quite honestly I personally rarely go back to OLD games. ppl should reall move on

Jockamo1625d ago

backwards compatibility is a problem that valve will fix

dredgewalker1625d ago

Considering that Sony switched to Ati and also ditched the Cell then backwards compatibility will most likely be a problem without putting a PS3 inside it. It's a whole lotta different architecture. I like BC but some people like me don't just sell off their old consoles when the newer one comes out and I'd rather play newer games on a newer console. I doubt the PS3 will go anywhere after the PS4 is launched.

wishingW3L1625d ago (Edited 1625d ago )

@Cupid_Viper_3 don't try to bullcrap me. PS3 was expensive because of the Cell's R&D and the relatively new blu-ray drive. What they did with the PS3 to reduce the cost was scrap the barrel because Sony themselves said that BC on PS3 wasn't costly. And even less on later consoles which only had part of the PS2 in it and the rest was emulated through software.

Sony removed BC to be able to sell the HD re-releases and digital re-releases and they will do it again with the PS4 because people are so dumb that they bend over and even defend their actions. Like if a corporation like Sony needed to be defended... But that's what fanboys do.

PS4 not having BC with PS1, PS2, PS3 or any of the PSN digital releases is just wrong. I was even going to buy a PS4 day 1 but not like this. And if people didn't want to play old games then they wouldn't have bought all those re-releases because the truth is that most people sell they old consoles to get the new one but now we are forced to own them all.

As technology progresses things should become more convenient don't you think? I mean, that is its point! Why have like 10 consoles under your TV when 1 should be able to do everything?

Brian1rr1625d ago

Thats why I bougt it for the vita

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zeal0us1626d ago

Some people don't want to keep switching back and forward between consoles.

Gaikai being able to stream games to help with the BC issue is great but ppl tend to forget licensing and rights. Theres over 700+ games on the PS3 and I doubt every company will allow Sony stream their game sadly.

Also BC helps with small amount games a console have when it first launches. I recall replaying tons of xbox games on my 360 when it first launch. I did the same thing with my PS2 when it first launch.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

I am one of the few people who is fine with this. I will rather have a lower cost console.

People who complain about BC are expecting ps4 & ps3 for the price of 1.

Imagine ps5 having ps1,ps2,ps3,ps4 BC + the price of ps5? Wow then every will scream "Price to high!! F**K YOU SONY!!! ARGGHH XBOX WINS!!".

Ps4 and beyond most likely will have BC as long a they keep the x86 design. Like pc.

Never expected them to emulate the cell.

Maybe that's just me. I have the original fat ps3 that can play ps2 games and the last time I played ps2 games was when I had ps2.

GiggMan1626d ago

I agree. Backwards Compatibility was one of the main reasons the OG PS4 was so expensive. Plus I look forward to my next gen systems sitting side by side with my current ones.

Why don't people just hold off and see what Sony has planned for their streaming service before we start moaning?

zeal0us1626d ago

@GiggMan

One of the main reasons the Original PS3 was expensive had little to do with BC it was more with the hardware that was inside of it.

Original PS2 had BC and it was $299 when it launch.

zerocrossing1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

Consoles don't last forever, when my PS3 inevitably dies am I supposed to buy one again just because PS3 games aren't compatible with the PS4? as far as Im concerned there is no justifiable reason for a lack of BC.

It seems to me it is just another attempt to stamp out the used games market, of course Sony don't want you spending money on used games to play on a new console when you could be buying PS4 games, that's business after all.

It mite not be "anti consumer" but it certainly isn't "consumer friendly" not when the PS2 had BC and the PS3 also until they realised they could get us to buy HD versions of games we already own.

"The games industry is their to make money" and apparently making previous products redundant helps to further that.

LOGICWINS1626d ago

"Consoles don't last forever, when my PS3 inevitably dies am I supposed to buy one again just because PS3 games aren't compatible with the PS4? as far as Im concerned there is no justifiable reason for a lack of BC."

Excellent point.

GiggMan1626d ago

Good point but really, did people buy HD versions of games they already owned? I know I wouldn't. I thought it was mainly for people who might have missed out on something. I know I bought the God of War collection because I missed out on #2.

I'm asking an honest question because I see how that could piss you off.

SilentNegotiator1626d ago (Edited 1626d ago )

You must be pissed that Nintendo dropped Gamecube support and doesn't have cartridge consoles anymore....your Gamecube must be busted and your Wii will die some day too!

That's why we have emulators. No hardware lasts forever.