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Watch Dogs lead leaves Ubisoft, joins EA

Watch Dogs' lead game designer Jamie Keen has left Ubisoft and joined EA, his online CV has revealed. (Dev, EA, Industry, PC, PS3, PS4, Ubisoft, Watch Dogs, Wii U, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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The_Infected  +   506d ago
Stupid decision! Watch Dogs looks 100x better than anything EA would ever achieve.
Godmars290  +   506d ago
Still, doesn't speak well of either Ubisoft and/or the game.
LAWSON72  +   506d ago
Why because ea offered him more money? I forgot your average gamer pays attention to who is developing their game
zeal0us  +   506d ago
This is about as dumb as Rift producer leaving Trion for Zynga.
Godmars290  +   506d ago
@LAWSON72
Because as the lead developer this move shows no dedication towards the game he was making. If he had bailed after its release and it reviewed well this wouldn't even be an issue. Likewise leaving shortly after the game was finished would - should - have raised community flags, but that could have been countered by footage and a demo.

Instead, what we're looking at a key developer in the product going away middle phase of an ambitious-promised production.
UnholyLight  +   506d ago
Uh guys, the game is probably already done, just being polished before release. Who knows, maybe I am wrong but it is possible his work is done and his contract up so he jumped ship before the product released
egidem  +   506d ago
EA just makes me sick.
Period.
SilentNegotiator  +   506d ago
@unholylight

Watch Dogs probably has 7 months or so before release. Do you know how long the average development cycle is? 24 months. 7 months is like, 1/3 of the average game's development time.

They aren't spending up to 1/3 of the dev time on polishing.
Derekvinyard13  +   506d ago
This doesn't mean the game will be bad but maybe he lost faith in game, we need to see
MysticStrummer  +   506d ago
It doesn't speak well of this guy's old paycheck. That's about it.
MaxXAttaxX  +   505d ago
His leave doesn't put the game in a positive light, but
the game is probably beyond Alpha stage by now.
knowyourstuff  +   505d ago
Ubisoft has enough people to finish the game. The design was completed during Alpha phase, Beta phase doesn't require designers, it requires coders and people who can iron out glitches, make the game look and run smooth.

We saw this with many designers who left Bioshock Infinite's team when their contracts were up, and tons of internet know-nothings thought Bioshock was going in the toilet because people were leaving the team, not knowing that that's just how developing games works. There's a dev cycle where you need some people at certain stages, and then you don't after a point. It is at this time those people are free to leave as their contract ends and they are no longer being paid, so of course they're going to seek new and relevant opportunities elsewhere where they can start making money again.
Kinger8938  +   506d ago
Am i the only person that isnt really excited for this game, yet anyways

The gameplay at the ps4 event looked good, but im wondering how repetitive all these bits will be in the final game, so i have my doubts

But saying that im looking forward to being proven wrong as the idea really has massive potential

Need to see more
FanboyPunisher  +   506d ago
just went to see the footage of it on PS4, highly unimpressive for a 'next gen' game. Aside from the cloth physics on the main character; it actually looks worse then BF3 Ultra'd out on pc.

It'll take some time for next gen to mature graphically, thats for sure.
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HammadTheBeast  +   506d ago
@Fanboypunisher

Really? Tell me more about your $2000 PC.
shivvy24  +   506d ago
@ Hammad - u showed him
Erudito87  +   506d ago
no it doesnt it looks better than bf3 maxed
T3MPL3TON  +   506d ago
@HammadTheOne

$2,000 PC? Who spends that much on a PC? I can get all the parts to run every current game on Max for $700 or less. Watch_Dogs looks good but he's right. It really isn't better than Battlefield on max settings. I wouldn't expect it to be either. It's a first round game for the new Gen. First round games never tap into the systems full power.
Godmars290  +   506d ago
@FanboyPunisher:
After all that's been going with presentations, Square with FF13 footage on Xbox, Aliens Colonial Marines, Milo, you'd think the majority of gamers would be the least bit cynical, wold at the very least accept that early footage was being done on a PC or PC to spec with the console, and yet the cycle of over-excitement and disappointment only repeats.
rainslacker  +   506d ago
The initial reveal at E3 didn't do much for me. The footage at the PS4 event got me interested in it. But I'm holding off judgement until I see some more.

I like the premise of the games story, just wondering more how it will play out in an entire game, and want to know more about different game play mechanics before jumping in totally.
Ragthorn  +   506d ago
@FanboyPunisher
It is VERY impressive for next gen consoles, Watch Dogs is very close to BF3 Ultra'd but that's because it is running on a console. If they port it to PC, I'm pretty sure it will compete with BF3 in visuals.

@Hammad
PC's to run BF3 ultra do not take $2000 to build, your one of those people who thinks you have to spend $2000 on a PC who max a game out, I do not appreciate your kind of people, because it costs might vary between $700-$1000 to run BF3 at max. Please, if you have the chance to research it thank you, if not have a good day sir(I'm not being sarcastic as people have jobs, and are doing things else.)
2pacalypsenow  +   505d ago
@T3MPL3TON what a load crap By max do you mean just 1080p or everything maxed out with max AA and perfect non droping 60 fps? if so you must know a place where they sell Really cheap parts like 100 a piece
FlyingFoxy  +   505d ago
You need to spend £200-£300 alone on a Graphics card to run a constant 60+FPS @ 1080p and even then some new games wont run full speed if they are made badly.

Full PC you can spend near 1k or just over for a great one.

1080P is the sweet spot for quality & speed.. once u go dual and triple monitors you have to buy like triple SLi every year to keep up.. and games still won't run that good and maybe 30FPS at that resolution.

1080P = king for a long time.

Of course the next gen consoles will run 1080P and 60fps at first, but after a little while they won't be able to do that with all details on high/ultra, this is where PC will always shine. Nevermind the resolution.
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Ragthorn  +   503d ago
@FlyingFoxy
Well said, I agree with you completely, I'm guessing the people who disagreed with me hate me now :(
I was trying to point out that you don't need a $2000 dollar PC to run BF3...
Ragthorn  +   503d ago
@T3MPL3TON
Btw, you kind of over exaggerated how much it would cost to run BF3 at max. Sure when your playing at a very low resolution you could max it, but at 1920x1080, or 2560x1440 you could not max it at that price range. I suspect $1000 dollars or more.
EA steals employees for a good price. May see ubi sue ea..
Detoxx  +   506d ago
Oh really? Where did you see any of EA's next-gen games?
DeadlyFire  +   506d ago
They are waiting until E3. Battlefield 4 is definately coming.
Walker  +   506d ago
Money talks !
Dirtnapstor  +   506d ago
Oh great... EA's going to tweak it so that "it will appeal to a potential larger fan base" and will screw it up.
Edit: never-mind, misread... He should have stayed.
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TronEOL  +   506d ago
I was going to say "maybe he's going to join Bioware Montreal to work on the next Mass Effect game". Since it made so much sense for a guy who worked on Watch Dogs to lend a helping hand to the folks at Bioware (especially since both, Ubisoft and Bioware, are in Montreal).

But nope. Lead game designer of an open world shooter is going to work on a racing game. Fantastic transition, man./s
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3-4-5  +   506d ago
Watch Dogs is in this man's portfolio and it looks good which means he probably just made a ton of money by going to EA because they can pay people like that.

He can make really good money and and have a "set" job without worrying about being let go once the project is finished and in 5-6 years can move on to another studio.
FAT MAN GO BOOM  +   505d ago
Money, he left for money...
Feldman9000  +   505d ago
Money talks
Seraphim  +   505d ago
UnholyLight is right. To some degree anyway. As the lead game designer all the pieces are already in place and this game is done. At least from his standpoint. Locations, Characters, Story, Objects, Interface, the concept and direction of this game is complete. Now all that's left is for the team to finish developing as planned, spend some time polishing things up and ship the game out for production.
Root  +   506d ago
Urgh...it's like Anakin Skywalker abandoning Obi Wan and joining the Sith Lord
adorie  +   506d ago
The guy just lost his soul. I hope EA isn't poaching.
BanBrother  +   506d ago
@Root

Don't be silly. Anakin would never do that. Obi would own him :-) :-) :-)
azshorty2003  +   506d ago
You do not know the power of the dark side.....or how deep their wallets can really go.
SilentNegotiator  +   506d ago
Anakin went on to complete his destiny, destroying the Sith Lord.

EA was a "hero" for a short stint in 2008 when they actually released new IPs, and they won't always be the bad guy. Things switch hands a lot in the video game world.
rpd123  +   505d ago
Eh, I've never gone for that. Luke is definitely the hero.
aiBreeze  +   506d ago
Money talks, or at least I'm hoping that's the case otherwise it will reflect extremely poorly on Watch Dogs.
Myx23  +   506d ago
ea is where the big money is. it is just a logical step for people to want to be where microtransactions will be in every game they will publish. do the math.

if you're thinking, developpers are there to provide a cool hobby for you - think again.
first1NFANTRY  +   506d ago
Hmm...don't know what to make of this news.

It's never a good sign for a Lead Designer to leave during game development.

Still i hope Watch Dogs delivers. The industry needs more open world games.
yaz288  +   505d ago
the game have been in development for 4 years now. it would be different if he had gone in that first year. I think the game maybe finished and its in a polishing phase right now.. also maybe they are working on the ps4 version.
Grap  +   506d ago
i still don't get how people can just abandoned their hard work just for few money. cause i am 100% UBI are not greedy like EA.
ZidaneNL  +   506d ago
Not greedy? The yearly releases of Assassin's Creed say otherwise.
OpieWinston  +   506d ago
Assassin's Creed 4 began development in 2011.
AC3 & AC4 are being made by 2 different teams who worked on different AC games.
fsfsxii  +   505d ago
@opiewinston
lol, people still believe publishers, AC3 was supposed to be in development for 3 years and yet its the glitchiest of the series, we'll see how AC4 goes, but i'm not expecting something huge after the 3X disappointment in all the AC games after AC2
GamerElite  +   506d ago
See Splinter cell blacklisted. Add a bunch of shooting to attract COD audience
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REALgamer  +   505d ago
Grap - really? Have you attended their board meetings and worked in their studios? Do you have any idea what their day-to-day job is like, or are you just making your own assumptions?

I know people in both companies. I know someone who is worked to the bone in Ubisoft, and someone who loves their job at EA (at Maxis specifically).

Developers switch between studios very frequently. There are people at Bungie who worked at Naughty Dog and vice versa. There are people at Microsoft who worked at Sony and vice versa.

Labelling a company made up of thousands of individuals as being 'greedy' while being '100%' sure that another company made up of thousands of individuals is not is just childish and ignorant. You have no idea of the working conditions or management.
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falcon79  +   506d ago
WiiU day 1 for Watchdogs. it's the proper Nextgen version ie £10 more on Game.co.uk csnt wait,looking forward to LegoCity just as much.
shivvy24  +   506d ago
day 1 PS4
BlaqMagiq24  +   506d ago
It was probably a bigger paycheck calling him to come to EA but I think he should have waited till Watch Dogs released
Kurt Russell  +   506d ago
Tbh, as a 3D artist (not game design based) if a rival company offered me to do my job for more money than where I am... I'd take it. Why be loyal to a company in todays world? They don't give a rats arse about you.
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rainslacker  +   506d ago
Particularly true since nowadays job security is non existent, especially in the computer industry. Many companies will drop employees just to get cheaper ones fresh out of college, as it's cheaper, even if they aren't as good.
BlaqMagiq24  +   505d ago
You do have a point. In this economy you need the best paying job you can possibly get and despite's EA's err... "business decisions", if they got the bigger check then anyone would go there. I don't blame him.
StrawberryDiesel420  +   505d ago
Kurt Russell speaks the truth
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sdozzo  +   506d ago
Too much hype for this game. How's it suppose to live up to expectations.
t377y000  +   506d ago
noo i refuse to sign up for orgin just to play a game online on wii u. :(
should stay with ubisoft.
Tyre  +   506d ago
I can't believe it! What is he doing? Watch Dogs was finished already or what? Plz don't kill this game.
PR_FROM_OHIO  +   506d ago
He will regret that decision just like Insomniac just watch!
shivvy24  +   506d ago
insomniac broke off their partnership with EA on Outernauts , im guessing they will completely break off after FUSE
stuna1  +   506d ago
I thought they had a 10 year contract with EA?
Intentions  +   506d ago
WHHHAAAT WHHHHHHY!?
SAE  +   506d ago
What's wrong with him ! I love far cry 3 ! Watch dog looks amazing ! Why leave a company that create great games and go to a company to make need for speed game that only few care about it!!

I hope he doesnt effect the games development :(
josephayal  +   506d ago
Smart Decision , Electronic Arts is still growing
MultiConsoleGamer  +   506d ago
Not a good sign.
cleverusername  +   506d ago
So EA are using a current gen engine on next gen consoles!
Psychotica  +   506d ago
I work as a software developer(not games) and any company that wants to pay me significantly more will get my attention. I couldn't care less what I am currently working on.
linkenski  +   506d ago
Ugh... anybody who've played either Crysis or Mass Effect would know what EA does to such franchises. Good games, but insultingly commercialised.
falcon79  +   505d ago
Your right EA dont advertise,Ubisoft have already advertised AC4 on UK tv last night i seen it.

It says out Nov 1st.
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zoks310  +   506d ago
Heeee won't be employed long.
headblackman  +   506d ago
ea games is going for global video game dominance. I can see it happening. I can also see something much greater happening also. all I'm gonna say is keep your eyes on Microsoft and don't blink ;-)
stuna1  +   506d ago
I think people should hear him out! Microsoft have known to try to corner the market in certain instances, just look up all the lawsuits against them when they tried to corner the OS market! Sure they didn't completely corner the market, but it served it's purpose, because in the time it took the courts to rule against them they had already gained massive market shares.

Even now look at how they make up their contracts with developers, with clauses like: Games coming to their system have to be simultaneously released if their on other systems

Or games have to be on par with other systems, even if another system has the ability to have the better version! I'm not saying the cell didn't play a role in some earlier ports, but come on we're talking 7 years later, and for the most part all multiplatform are pretty much equal.

But compare exclusive titles and you'll notice how huge the differences are! Yet you'll have those who say it's a coincident, but wouldn't that mean that the Xbox should able to churn out titles on par with the PS3? After all who knows their systems better than the one made the systems?

This secret meeting that they are having IMO doesn't bode well for gamers in general! And although we'd like life to be a bed full of roses, in actuality the truth in the business world is more like a bed full of thorns.

I have a bad feeling about the relationship between EA & Microsoft! What if EA has found a way to intergrate their new found freedom for microtransactions into Microsoft Live and it becomes viable!? Gamer scores, Gamer tags all that made people what was Live now becomes intergrated into EA.

This is also a good clue to the Nextbox being backwards compatible, but also to the fact it will require a always on connection. Sure I could be wrong! God knows I hope I am, but I don't think I am.
headblackman  +   506d ago
let's be 100% clear here. as for what the ps3 can do as apposed to the xnbox360? it can do anything the ps3 can do. its just that the ps3 in house game developers take a little more time with games design. but the xbox360 is more than capable of duplicating any graphical leap or standard that the ps3 can. alien wake, gears of war and halo 4 is the result of developers taking their time with the xbox360. now if they can do those type of games with the dvd9 disc limit, just imagine what's gonna happen with a much greater disc capacity. that's the only area the ps3 excelled in. not the CPU ram or GPU. the cell processor was a cunt hair stronger than the xenon ps3 had 7 cores.the xbox360 had 6 cores. no huge leap. plus the ps3's cell processor had to over compensate for its low memory which in turn made the xbox360 equal with the ps3 in that aspect. but the huge game changer and advantage for the Xbox came with its larger ram and better gpu. oh, and I forgot to mention its development ease of use, due to its simple development tools ;-) so there you have it. blue ray is what allowed bigger games. but most definitely not better :-/
stuna1  +   506d ago
Just one question! If that is so why hasn't Microsoft the time to do so!? Is its fanbase not worth the extra commitment? Ok that's two questions!

Hell I've seen third party titles that have looked better on the 360 than Microsoft first party titles.

The response you gave is like you know Microsoft has been giving you sub par performance and you're ok with it!

The mind control is complete!!!!!
lilbroRx  +   506d ago
At this point its almost like going to the same place.
KontryBoy706  +   506d ago
Dead man walking! Should have stayed where u were
Zgamer7  +   506d ago
Wtf is going on in the game industry today?!? First dead space now this? I hope watch dogs doenst lose its greatness..
stragomccloud  +   506d ago
What the hell???
Aztec_MC  +   506d ago
I think EA just wants to know how to actually, literally hack into our lives & jack into our Banks!!!
lema008  +   506d ago
Not that I'm partial to EA, but a nice coup neverless.
EA must of liked what Jamie was doing with the driving in Fry Cry 3.
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MegaLagann  +   506d ago
One of my most anticipated games this year. Well i'm worried now...
Glitchysugar  +   506d ago
TRAITOR!!!!
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   505d ago
LOL

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