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At Least One Gamer Is Pissed At Sony For A Small, But Misleading Vita Description

Kotaku - Earlier this year, Kotaku reader Lewis bought a PlayStation Vita. He bought two 32 GB memory cards: one for games and applications, and the other for music.

"I figured I could use it as an mp3 player as well as a gaming console," Lewis told us. "Unfortunately, that is not the case."

As Lewis soon discovered, the product description on the Vita's 32 GB memory card isn't entirely accurate. (PS Vita, Sony)

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iGAM3R-VIII  +   564d ago
It depend how big of a file size his songs are, Sony may of based it on the average size for a song or for a small size,nothing wrong that Sony did.
GraveLord  +   564d ago
Yeah you're probably right.
ShinMaster  +   564d ago
"Unfortunately, that is not the case."

Umm yes, you can still use it as an MP3 player. You may not be able to store more than 4000 at a time, but it still works.
Mounce  +   563d ago
It's song Amount being argued here and not size limitation of the memory stick.

So it's either coincidentally he was only able to fit 4000 and that took ALL 32GB. Orrrr, there's a limitation in file-amount.

I mean, by all means....It's bad if the max is advertised that SIZE-WISE it can fit an Average of This Many Songs, but there be a Cap on quantity. At the same time that remaining bad I come to ask...

WHO THE FUCK HAS 4000 SONGS TO LISTEN TO?! JESUS! I bet he can't name 100 of them off the top of his head! lol.
Deputydon  +   563d ago
I have a 64 GB SD Card in my Galaxy Note 2 and I most definitely listen to every band in my library of music. Yeah, maybe not all in one road trip or listening session, but its a lot easier to have 8000+ songs on one device than to have to keep deleting and transferring music when you feel like listening to it.

Also, just for reference at how ridiculous the comment is that "he can't name 100 songs." One of my favorite rappers of all time is Aesop Rock (the white guy) and right now on just my phone I have 189 songs from just him. And yes, I listen to them all very often.

One of my favorite bands is also Thrice, right now, on my phone, I have 149 Thrice songs.

If you can't name 100 songs you like, then you probably aren't listening to music worth hearing.
MuleKick  +   563d ago
Anyone with an Android phone that's not using Google Music is wasting tons of memory card space. The file itself may be 25-30mb.
snipes101  +   563d ago
Why does everyone care that the kid wants to use it as an MP3 player? It's his Vita, he'll use it how he wants to.

Second, why is everyone giving him crap for having so many songs? I have 10,000 on my 250 gig iPod and no, I don't listen to all of them at once. But, I want to have it all at my disposal so I can listen to what I want, when I want, without having to constantly swap songs on and off my device.

Thirdly, why is everyone giving the kid crap? The box says the card can hold 9,000 songs, and it is capping the limit off at less than half that. Does no one see a problem with this? It's false advertising, or shady advertising at best. The fact that customer service gave him the runaround like that and actually told him to go buy more stuff from them is just the icing on the screw-you cake.
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Mounce  +   563d ago
@Deputydon.

Just because you can name an amount of songs you have.....doesn't mean you can see to name all the names of the songs you like. '149 Thrice songs' Well good for you! . . . .

Do you want a cookie? I spoke of asking if anyone can NAME 100 SONGS, all you do is push the same question back out to me and others without doing it yourself? What the fuck? rofl.

So you have 189 songs of another guy! . . Man, you can name a Band, but you can't name 100 songs off by heart is what I was betting to others. But good job Half-answering a question bro.
Viper7  +   563d ago
//Anyone with an Android phone that's not using Google Music is wasting tons of memory card space.
The file itself may be 25-30mb.//

When I go to the Google Music service I get message.

"The Google Play music player is currently available in select territories."

Besides I prefer youtube, they have far more content there and plenty of songs that even spotify doesn't have.
MarkusMcNugen  +   563d ago
@MuleKick

Not all of us live in 4g coverage areas my man. 3G sometimes just doesnt cut it with streaming. Especially if its a 320kbps mp3.

@Mounce
I guarantee you I could name over a hundred songs in my library. Its quite easy to do when you have 8000+ songs with most being the music you love the most.

But why would I sit here and type up 100 song names off the top of my head? No one would believe me anyways... its the internet lol.
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Wh15ky  +   563d ago
@ Mounce

4000 songs is only somewhere between 300 and 400 albums. I would say alot of people have alot more than that, I know I do.

And

Who on earth is going to waste their time listing 100 songs for you to then accuse them of copying and pasting a list of songs? And why do you think it would be a difficult task? 100 songs is less than 10 albums, are you saying you can't name every song on your 10 favourite albums?
admiralvic  +   564d ago
Clearly you didn't read the article, since it's not a matter of size, but an actual design limitation. According to the article / the Vita, the system stops you at exactly 4,000 songs (like 100 apps), so it has nothing to do with size.

With this being said, I think this is just an example of standardized listings on memory cards. I honestly never read how "many" songs, pictures, whatever it can "hold", since sizes will make a difference. Either or, odd limitation that will ideally be removed in the future.
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Squall5005  +   564d ago
It's pretty obvious that loads of people don't bother reading the articles. You only have to look at any comment section on N4G. Most replies will be a response to the headline.

I'm a huge Sony fanboy and proud of it, but I gotta say that the memory card situation for the Vita sucks. Still too over-priced and max size of 32gb. Mine is already full.

But it's funny to see people like 'iGAM3R-VIII' blindly defending something they haven't even bothered to check.
Bereaver  +   564d ago
There is a slight chance that his meaning was sony took an average number say... 8mb and said, let's stick the limit at 4000. (4000x8mb=32gb)

Did you think he could have possibly meant that? Because that's what I thought he was talking about.

"Sony may of based it on the average size for a song or for a small size"

Unfortunately though, an average song size isn't 8mb unless you've got all HD songs.
ThanatosDMC  +   563d ago
It's also Kotaku.
Ritsujun  +   563d ago
The clown bought a vita to store 4000+ songs? A top-notch clown, indeed.
InMyOpinion  +   563d ago
@Ritsujun - The clown bought a vita? A top-notch clown, indeed. *fixed*
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Hicken  +   563d ago
Sometimes, people don't actually go as far as to read thew article once they see the source. They expect, and reasonably so, in some cases, that it'll be something crappy, with a title written for hits and little to no substance.

This article, being from Kotaku, falls under that category of "grain of salt" articles. This is especially true with it being about something Sony-related, since they've been known to troll in the past.
Squall5005  +   564d ago
You didn't even read the article did you?

There is a 4000 song limit regardless of the size of the files.
Derekvinyard13  +   564d ago
That sucks
sobekflakmonkey  +   563d ago
@Derekvinyard13

Yeah sure does...that means I can't put 4001 songs on :(
superterabyte  +   563d ago
who needs more than 4000 songs?
Rush  +   564d ago
I don't often come off in Sony's court but really? First of all who uses a Vita as primary MP3 player. Secondly who complains about a 4000 song limit on a device that wasn't sold listed or even advertised as an MP3 player.

I have 98 GB's of storage of my Galaxy S3, why would I carry around a Vita to store MP3s. Finally who actually listens to 4000 different songs on a regular basis on a device with poor battery performance compared to a smart phone for playing MP3s.
aquamala  +   564d ago
who cares that you have a Galaxy S3? does Vita come with a Galaxy S3? this is what the guy wants to use the device for.

a music player is clearly advertised as a feature

http://us.playstation.com/p...
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knifefight  +   564d ago
Rush's post, truncated: "Why aren't my preferences everyone else's? Why isn't my lifestyle everyone else's?"
DarthJay  +   564d ago
That guy obviously uses it as an MP3 player. He's not you. He has a right to feel however he wants.
Mr_Writer85  +   563d ago
@aquamala

'a music player is clearly advertised as a feature'

And the Vita plays music...your point being?
iGAM3R-VIII  +   563d ago
Yes I did read the article calm down its just a misunderstanding and to fix my comment yea that is kind of false advertisement then. Though I probably wouldn't use a vita as a primary mu sic source
showtimefolks  +   563d ago
I have 494 songs on mine and I feel like that's too many but 4000 damn lol
joeorc  +   563d ago
Really Kotaku?
"It depend how big of a file size his songs are, Sony may of based it on the average size for a song or for a small size,nothing wrong that Sony did."

100% correct, there is a freaking * before the number's with any flash memory, there is a freaking disclaimer, the Music has thing's Like File format of the Music, bit rate,what will be your sample rate you want the Music to be in.

did Kotaku even have the orig. PSP?
Nothing really has changed other then the form factor of the flash memory card, the digital storage always has a number of MB or GB of Storage, than that is the Total Number of Bytes you can store.

Use a program like Format Factory or something like that to make your Music files to the sound Quality you want. the Higher the sound Quality the More space it will Take. Its freaking common sense!!

and this Limitation being there may be because of the
Content Manager Assistant so instead of jumping to conclusions about the problem wait until Sony get's back with the freaking answer!
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JimmyDanger  +   563d ago
You should just read the article man. Judging by what you said, it's pretty obvious you didn't. It's got nothing to do with file format. It's capped at 4000 songs and confirmed by Sony.
joeorc  +   563d ago
@
" Judging by what you said, it's pretty obvious you didn't."

really what do you call this?

first he talked about it listed 9000 song's and i was adressing that was based on what you want your song's to be.

next the limit for the storage card is Like i stated a content mngr. Problem most likely due to the limit on file transfer's number's allowed by the "CMA"
and what do you call this?

"and this Limitation being there may be because of the
Content Manager Assistant so instead of jumping to conclusions about the problem wait until Sony get's back with the freaking answer!"

" It's capped at 4000 songs and confirmed by Sony."

it was not confirmed by Sony they did not get back with them, Like i said this is most likely a issue with the Content Manager Assistant! not with the Hardware! its an Arm Cortex A9 hardware its the same d@mn hardware that's in the Ipad 3! so with added enhancement's, the software can be changed the hardware cannot. So explain How this would be a Hardware limitation on file Size? for the PSVita when they themselves stated:

"While it's true that technically the memory card could hold 32 gigabytes worth of music, this is a propriety piece of hardware—in other words, you can only use it on the Vita. So why does the memory card's product description say that you can save up to 9,136 songs? This might not be a huge deal to most customers, but for people like Lewis, who bought two memory cards just for this purpose, it's no small problem.

We reached out to Sony for an explanation two weeks ago, when we first heard Lewis's story. Sony has not gotten back to us."

and this so called confirmation :

Sony's website confirms the restriction. You can only save 4,000 songs to use offline on your machine.

http://us.support.sonyenter...

was listed for SEN!

that is not the same on How much Music can the PSVita's Memory card can Hold
PD. Have the person who had this complaint try transfer the music from his/her PC to the PSVita and see what Happen's
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kikizoo  +   563d ago
Exactly, some people are acting like you had to choose 4000 songs (300 CDS ! your parents did'nt have that in their entire life), always the same, for ever....it takes you 5 minutes to switch some news albums with old ones, stop crying about stupid things rich young boyz.
okmrman  +   563d ago
all praise sony
fatstarr  +   563d ago
sonys shitty coding, they never thought someone would buy a vita 32 gb memory card and fill it with music.
their code has a break in it like how 32bit windows cant use more than 4gb of ram.
Zechs34  +   564d ago
Kotaku...

Seriously?
kingmushroom  +   564d ago
yes...Kotakunt
animegamingnerd  +   563d ago
why do they need so many pointless articles?
fatstarr  +   563d ago
$$$$$$
Why o why  +   563d ago
bukaku will always find negative stories to write... the limit is silly though and it would be interesting to find out why but im ignorace stops me from reading the article ......out of all of the sites to kick the bucket bukaku wasnt one of them....Im not wanting people to lose their livelihoods so dont get all emo on me..bukaku have just sucked since I first met em
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DragonKnight  +   564d ago
Kotaku jumping on the chance to spread Sony hate? Naaaahhhhhh that never happens at all.

Story Quality: WTF?
Like this website?: No
MiloGarret  +   563d ago
Sony fanboys crying on N4G? Naaaahhhhh, that never happens at all.

Story quality: Excellent
Like this website: Yes
DragonKnight  +   563d ago
Oh wow, a troll? You hear stories about the presence of trolls online but they are said to be so rare that you have a better chance of winning the lottery, or being struck by lightning. And now I have encountered one. What a momentous occasion, I shall have to spread word across the land. None will believe me, but then it's great to have actual proof of it. I'm off to buy a lottery ticket!
MiloGarret  +   563d ago
So mad. So sad.
fatstarr  +   563d ago
Lmao, cookies. sony fanboys are hypocrites and extremely biased.
RememberThe357  +   564d ago
EDIT: nvm. This is a system issue. The card still has space but the the system is stopping him from loading more music. Pretty stupid on Sony's port.
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admiralvic  +   564d ago
The only moron here is you... the article is about a DESIGN limitation. The Vita stops you at 4,000 songs, which has nothing to do with size, nor is it something the average person would anticipate.

This is why you have to read people... sometimes there is a reason / point to the article.
Squall5005  +   564d ago
RememberThe357:

"Wow this guy is a moron. How many songs you can pack on a 32gb card depends on how big those files are. I can't pack the same amount of WAV files on a card as I can 128kbps MP3s, it's just not gonna happen. That kind of the whole point behind MP3 and AAC.

Again, what a moron, and what a moron for running this story. "

You're the moron.

If you actually took 30 seconds to read the article you would see that there is a 4000 song limit on the memory card, regardless of file size.

Again...what a moron.

EDIT: Added "RememberThe357's&quo t; original comment.
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dead_eye  +   564d ago
@RememberThe357 Editing your whole comment. That's a bit sad.

@Squall5005 The article is wrong. The description is right. The card can hold roughly that amount it's just the vita won't let it.
RememberThe357  +   564d ago
I got it. I didn't see the bottom part of the article (after the pictures), but thanks for rushing to judgement about my rush to judgement.

Haha @above, if that makes you feel better.

@admiralvic: Couldn't agree more. I mistakenly thought the article was over after the pictures. When I read through it again I saw there was more and edited my comment to what it is now.

@Seraphemz: Haha thats true too. They're the Huffington Post of game journalism. Sometimes spot on, most of the time full of crap. lol
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Seraphemz  +   564d ago
I cant really blame you for not really reading an article from Kotaku... i mean...its Kotaku..
GreenRanger  +   564d ago
"I figured I could use it as an mp3 player as well as a gaming console," Lewis told us. "Unfortunately, that is not the case."
I think if it can hold 4000 songs in the MP3 format, then it IS an MP3 player, Kotaku.
DrRichtofen  +   564d ago
That kinda sucks that it doesn't hold 9,000 + songs as was described, but also who the hell has the time listen to, let alone even scroll through 4,000 songs?!
TongkatAli  +   563d ago
This
ninjahunter  +   564d ago
Did somebody say music piracy?
InTheLab  +   564d ago
4k songs? I'm sure this dude paid for them all too. All 4k of em...

So my question is, where are these song at now? On a PC? Can you just flip whatever content you want when you get bored of the 4k songs on the card?

Lastly...the 32gig card needs a serious price cut...
knifefight  +   564d ago
Re: "4k songs? I'm sure this dude paid for them all too. All 4k of em... "

Man, I hope you're not a cop.
I can just picture you...
"You own a car and beer? Clearly you've been driving drunk."

"You own a hunting rifle? You're probably a murderer."

"You own some lingerie? You sound like a whore."

"Your house has floorboards? So how many bodies are between them, hmmm?"

"Your kid has a couple of bruises? Yeah right they're 'from football,' get in the car, we're going to the station."

You seem to have a very skewed definition of "probable cause."
Jeez, dude....
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dredgewalker  +   563d ago
That would actually scare me cause I have access to cyanide, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, cadmium, mercury and all sorts of nasty things in our workshop.
Sleet  +   563d ago
Preachy over reaction club is that way -》
PirateThom  +   564d ago
I have like 1,400 songs on my phone and I haven't listened to all of them....

However, all the same, if it was advertised as 9k or whatever, it should be able to do that. It's not even a standard listing, no other Sony memory cards say that.

As for the asterisk, it's pulled from the Sony info:

*Or any combination of the above media. Calculations based on 1.75GB – 3.5GB average for full PS Vita games, 1.3GB average for movies, 3.5MB average for songs, and 5MB average for photos.
DivineAssault  +   564d ago
That sucks for music lovers. Good thing i dont own that much music or id be a bit pissed off too
EverydayGuy  +   564d ago
How hard are you searching for people to complain about shit like this? To title your article "At Least One Gamer Is Pissed At Sony"? Are you looking for the smallest common denominator so you can make an article about it?

Yes the 4k amount of songs is a legit concern, but you are scraping at the bottom of the barrel at this point.
r21  +   564d ago
He has over 4000 songs? I only have around a hundred in mine O_O
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tachy0n  +   564d ago
so much drama from kotaku...

this can easily be fixed through a firmware update >.>
Conzul  +   564d ago
While they're at it, fix the 30 minutes per clip filming limitation on the Vita's camera.
itsalive  +   563d ago
tell you what.....
Name any device that is not a camcorder that records for more than 29 minutes at a time. Supposedly there is a very specific/good reason for this limitation, at least to the company that makes the product.
TOGC  +   563d ago
My Galaxy Nexus (first one) does recording past 30 minutes in 1080p just fine.
stuntman_mike  +   564d ago
also you dont get the full 32GB on those cards. something like 29GB.
hobohunterz  +   564d ago
Yeah like every other storage device
3GenGames  +   563d ago
I buy 4GB of RAM, I get 4GB of RAM. Weird...

It's retarded to have the storage of the device only based off of 1000 bytes, when they did so so the file system tables would not limit the size even more. BUT now you buy a 2TB device, you get 1.95TB AND have to put a file system over it, which takes a whole GB more. Lots of space you don't have by the end of it! It's garbage that companies can do this.
TOGC  +   563d ago
I just checked my system ram. I have 2x4gb sticks in there.

Windows is telling me there is 7.8gb available. It is just a smaller margin. When the storage device gets bigger, the missing space is easier to spot.
suicidalblues  +   564d ago
I know, right? I bought a 500g hard drive and it only had like 479g or some crap like that. I called the cops, but they hung up on me.
Bowzabub  +   564d ago
Yeah, I got Music Unlimited for $12 with my Plus sub.. Problem solved! And I have a lot more than 4000 songs buddy. Natural selection at work here. Stop breathing our oxygen. /hate
MrBuffalo  +   564d ago
4000 songs isn't that much to have stored digitally. Its like 400 albums which is quite easy for a music lover to accumulate ... In my opinion at least. Other then that PSV is a great machine.
triplev16  +   564d ago
Kind of weird why there's a limit in the first place. Could this not be fixed with a patch?
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jakmckratos  +   564d ago
Yeah that's kinda ridiculous. Don't advertise something when it can't even do half of what you say. Bogus Sony is bogus. also hate the fact we have to buy memory cards...seems kinda 2004 to me.
tubers  +   563d ago
"alsi the fact that we have to by EXPENSIVE memory cards..."

Fixed.

As of current, companies are price gouging for built in memory sizes.. external expandable allieviates the lack of storage for others.
-Falaut-  +   564d ago
You're reaching Kotaku...even for you.
N0S3LFESTEEM  +   564d ago
Oh boohoo... I can only listen to 4000 of my favorite songs :(. First world problems to the max.
insomnium2  +   563d ago
Exactly. They should fix this with a FW update but come on. 4000 songs and you are bitching about not enough? Get a life buddy.
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   564d ago
Must post this... PS3 Exclusives... and... PS4 are getting... too many great reviews... too much focus on them... MUST post bad Sony news...
LordHiggens  +   563d ago
Damn bros, I have 300 songs on my Sansa Clip...even I don't listen to them all...it's 4 gigs works just fine. This though, holy crapola!!!!
RandomDude655  +   563d ago
My 32gb iphone is about full with 1500 songs. Though, a good bit of them are lossless. Sony shouldn't have a limit on apps or music, but 4k is a very large music library.
WitWolfy  +   563d ago
As the OP said. IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE MP3!!!! Obviously Sony took an average 128KB/s mp3 which is about 4MB in size and multiplied its estimate to the size of the card!!!

Some people are so STUPID!!!
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WitWolfy  +   562d ago
*Face palm* Thats why I drink thanks to idiots like you.. Learn from your mothers mistakes, use birth control.
Gaming_Guru  +   563d ago
What Fox News is like for the mainstream media, Kotaku is the equivalent in the gaming community.
ziggurcat  +   563d ago
leave it to kraptaku to post a negative sony article. why people haven't down voted this awful site to the point of extinction on this site by now is beyond me....
tarbis  +   563d ago
There's a thing called common sense in which both Lewis and Kraptaku don't have. There's also an asterisk for the explanation in which again both did not read.
BrianC6234  +   563d ago
Who needs more than 4,000 songs? That seems like enough. Kotaku has really turned into Sony haters. It's a crappy site anyway.
3GenGames  +   563d ago
A DJ, possibly? I know a few DJ's locally who have over 1TB of lossless FLAC music on a external for their events. YOU Might not need it, but it doesn't mean there's people who don't need or want to have that much content on hand just because.
BrianC6234  +   563d ago
I doubt DJs use a Vita for their job.
hazelamy  +   563d ago
seems like an arbitrary limit to me.
but then aren't you limited to only like 99 apps on a memory card as well?
if you have a lot of Minis titles that could easily get filled.

so in comparison, 4000 songs is not so bad.

and i could imagine using up that 4000 spaces, i have nearly two thousand music track on my itunes, and then there's the podcasts, i've got something like five thousand of those.

if you're going on holiday and you're taking your Vita, you will want a wide selection with you, you never know what you'll want to listen to.

i would suspect it was to sell more memory cards but 4000 is still a lot, but that 99 apps thing, that i believe is to sell more memory cards.

and the fact you can only have one account per card, and almost everybody has mutliple psn accounts, even Shuhei Yoshida has multiple accounts for different regions.
that's definitely to sell more memory cards.
Bathyj  +   563d ago
It takes at least 1 pissed off gamer for Kotaku to write a small article about Sony.
Bowzabub  +   563d ago
They have a willing staff if the former is not available as well. ;)
kenshiro100  +   563d ago
Welcome to N4G. :D

Seriously, I'm not surprised by Kotaku. Their hatred of Sony knows no bounds.
DarkHeroZX  +   563d ago
I don't get this on N4G. Whenever some has an opinion on a game that is generally recieved of being good from both users and critics we bash them and say they're wrong, and don't lie because we are all guilty of it. But then whenever someone gets on the author's case he is intitled to his opinion. Something isn't right here. I can bash any given system or game that someone else likes but then when this guy cries over a feature, I'm pretty sure most of us don't even use on the vita anyway, everyone has his back. Heck the vita doesn't have custom playlist or dynamic themes like the psp does and I don't see anyone ranting about that. And isn't the number of songs held based on the average length being 3 minutes anyway? I convert a lot of youtube videos into mp3s and they range form anywhere to 1-2 mb all the way up to 30-40mb depending on what other files where embedded in the video.
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