1up - Killzone, Watch Dogs, Infamous, The Witness and more attempt to sell gamers on the PS4.
'Come on lads, let's stick the boot in a few mores times before we finally close our site up.' That's what this slew of recent articles suggest to me.
they should take a closer look at KnacK, it was more of a technical demonstration than a trailer, the physics in that game are impressive, also depth of field is great. technically it was more impressive than KZ:SF, if you know what to look for. a good journalist would do that instead of rehashing stuff.
Knack was very impressive. Theres this CGI movie of Astro Boy and Knack looks real close to it graphically!
Haha, good journalist... What, you think it's the 70s or 80s?
Honestly, average gamers won't care or even notice that stuff, we need to see more obvious evidence of a generational leap beyond prettier graphics and/or obscure details, I know that's easier said than done but I think it's important. I know the PS4 is an impressive console but the games are what will sell it, until I can see or get hands on with a genuine PS4 game that demonstrates some impressive AI or innovative game mechanics, Im going to hold my judgement and not be pulled in by the hype we get when any new console generation is being ushered in.
They should take a look at other console launches. Take the Wii U for example, the games look no different to PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Look at the Xbox 360 launch, those games barely looked any better than the generation before it and even plenty of launch titles were just slightly fancier PS2 games (Burnout Revenge, Most Wanted etc). Consoles never launch with games that are huge leaps over the previous console generation, that's just not how the industry works. You'd think that the fools at 1up would know this, but maybe their stupidity is why they're all losing their jobs. Oh well!
A little different going from the Xbox to the 360, as we were jumping into HD for the first time and look at Condemned: Criminal Origins. It was quite beautiful and brutal for a launch title.
@jimbobwahey "Consoles never launch with games that are huge leaps over the previous console generation" Seriously, when did you start gaming? NES to Snes was a huge leap, so was PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 was gigantic and don't even get me started with the Saturn and the Dreamcast. It is true most games don't look as good as they could until near the end of a console generation, but more often than not there is a clear difference between a past and present console. I expect come E3 we will very likely be blown away by some PS4 titles but that simply hasn't happened to me yet.
I agree about Knack. What strikes me is that even PS fans are now using the 'but they're first gen games' or 'but they're using only 4GB of memory' as some sort of buffer to those who question the 'so called' jump to next gen. Please, don't sit on the fence like that, it shows you've fallen into the trap. Killzone WAS significantly better, What Cage showed WAS significantly better, what MM showed WAS significantly better and what Capcom showed with Deep Down WAS significantly better. There are NO quibbles, so please don't pander to those who want to downplay the significant leaps and be forthright and vocal in your complete disagreement. You are reading the post of someone who constantly went on about how next gen WOULDN'T be a significant leap and boy was I wrong. And I'm not in any way suggesting that MS won't offer this level of increase, I'm just speaking from a PS fan perspective. Don't let the dissenters make you question what you saw. It was real and it was fantastic. I haven't been this excited since the PS2 days.
I thought Knack looked like a Pixar quality game which impressed me nearly the most of all games.
Lack of next-gen feel? They've totally forgotten about the existence of Wii duUum.
1UP knows they're about to lose their jobs and are doing everything they can to get hits. Man, good riddance.
Imagine what Bethesda is going to do next gen :o
DEEP DOWN Was the most impressive for me.
I didn't see much evidence of next-gen gameplay although I thought the games were visually impressive.
I agree with them. The PS4 may have some very impressive specs but none of the games shown had the wow effect. You would have told me they were very advanced end cycle PS3 games I would have believed you. The next gen wow effect is the effect the first Geow demo had on the gameing world for instance. At that very moment you felt next gen dropping like a bomb, you knew games wouldnt be the same. Nothing they showed at the PS4 reveal gave that impression. I guess we have to wait till E3 or later in the year to get that next gen "Geow wow moment". But hey yeah, I guess Im a rabid Xbox fanboy for not saying that the PS4 games shown were the best things Ive ever seen in my life. So its ok go ahead and unleash yourselves on me :)
It's just his opinion. I don't see why 1up would be looking to attack anything. Next gen games looked good though, but we can't expect the same leap as from last. Eventually the graphical incrementations of hardware lifecycles will bottom out, and we won't see any significant notable improvements from one to the next. Probably in like 20 years or so, but bear that in mind. It's not always going to be like this. One day our video games will be near 1:1 with real life, then what? Are people going to continue complaining about the absence of technical improvement?
@Oh_Yeah - "Imagine what Bethesda is going to do next gen :o" They'll still have an amount of bugs that would be unacceptable from any other developer, but Bethesda will get a pass as usual. Next gen they may achieve their dream, which is to have the exact same bugs on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls games really haven't changed all that much since the original one came out in the early 90s, so I wouldn't look for much of a leap in the next chapter, beyond graphical upgrades. "Next gen" means more than better graphics to me. @DOMination - I agree. I haven't seen any gameplay that can't be done on current hardware, except the graphics. I still want a damn PS4 though. lol @SuperLupe - I don't know why Gears wowed you any more than these new titles. Gears had no revolutionary "next gen" gameplay either.
Superlupe, zerocrossing, etc : amnesia ? blindess ? what is your problem.. http://www.youtube.com/user...
@jimbobwahey "Consoles never launch with games that are huge leaps over the previous console generation" As zerocrossing already pointed out there were big differences from previous generation games on most new consoles and most was the difference you failed to notice from SD to HD last gen. Games like PGR3, Condemed and even the ones you mentioned looked amazing from anything we had seen on previous gen consoles. Did you even play on ps1 or ps2 or xbox or maybe you are mistaking for games leap from iphone 3 to iphone 4 to iphone 5 not the consoles.
So the Wii U's games had a next-gen feel and the PS4's DIDN'T? Goodbye, 1-up; you won't be missed at all.
@domination "I didn't see much evidence of next-gen gameplay" And I didn't see a next gen artistical touch at all. What is this 2013? Seriously next gen GAMEPLAY? WTH is that? Kinect right?
Each to his own, I guess. I was blown away by Killzone and Deep Down.
To me it looked like the 'same ol same ol' fps tropes that we've been wallowing in this generation. Yes, it looked great, but I'm expecting more. For example, when I shoot someone in the leg, that particular leg should show damage, and they should limp. If I shoot them in the side, they should hold or grab their side. Get shot in the hand, then that hand is disabled, and the AI has to switch hands, making their accuracy and reloading suffer. There shouldn't be a technical reason stuff like that should be missing, otherwise, we haven't really received true next gen yet. Hopefully we get better.
@above You're talking about a nice mix of realism with the fun arcade fps. Usually when they try that it just gets annoying.
they actually aim to show what gamer's knew as fps they did not show nothing new to not scare the gamers and make them feel familiar to what they know.. there are many new things and different levels In KZSF, decisions and different game play forms.. they just show a 8min level.. and in it you could see many next gen features but with the classic FPS gameplay to please the FPS fans..and make them want the game.
I agree 360ICE, the graphics for deep down was breathtaking and the gameplay if that was gameplay looks next gen to me.
I wasnt as it's not open world so the backdrop means nothing ?? The Zelda tech demo demonstrated extreme gameplay,with exaggerated camera ect i thought that gameplay on that specific tech demo was NEXTGEN gameplay.
@falcon79 It's not open world so the background means nothing? Really? Flippin' weird opinion, but okay.
Yeah really, it's kinda embarrassing to see these clowns trying to push out as much anti-PS4 garbage as they can before they lose their jobs. Glad to see that they'll be out of work soon!
@whoyouwit Did it ever occur to you that they're losing their jobs due to poor perfomance? 1Up is not an XBox site, so when the bulk of your staff is all Xbox, you tend to alienate a segment of you readership. A ton of people feel like they're Xbots or just hate mongers so a ton of people are happy to see them go.
@whoyouwit04 Let's face it, they've been spouting their anti Sony babble for long enough.. Everybody's tired of it, p45 time son!
Why do you think they are going out of business? They alienated part of their website. Which left them looking petty and uninformed. A lot of people stopped visiting them and they lost a lot of revenue. If you weren't impressed you need glasses. This next gen will run at a standard 1080p. Which is all you can ask for in a next gen console seeing as tv only go to 1080p. So what more do you want? It's a video game system maxed for a maxed out tv. So many haters in this world.
To Nintendo fans, does your console look next gen? Hey Xbox fans, does your console look next gen? Lame media telling us what they think as fact when the proof is right before their eyes. What happens if MS next console is weaker than the ps4? Do we forget all these garbage articles or is this the direction of the gaming media. WE play on a console for the games. Specific games to be exact. This whole argument about graphics is old. Zelda was fun back in the day and it's still fun today even though it's not today's graphics. Some gamers have lost site of what video games are. Every gen consoles get stronger and more capable same as it always has been. No amount of hate from the media will change that. We went from 512mb to 8gb of the best, did I mention the BEST, of ram. Only developers will limit this console. The tech is there. Now will they use it.
Microsoft nor Nintendo needs specs to be Sony now. They only need the right games. Pc gaming has had the same problems. Game play is always ignored. The problem might be the fact that pc gaming can do and has been doing what the ps4 has shown yet there is no new game design coming just more of the same. Lots of people think gears of war sold off graphics yet we all know this tale. It is called crysis 1 and it still haunts crytek to this day. No one wants to play that beautiful game. This is the same thinking that killed pc gaming. The industry has lost track of what the gamers want. Sure if a 2d Mario is fun enough it would have been better than what Sony showed. The next question is why doesn't Sony even have 2d Mario like games? Can Sony not make a good 2d Mario game? I mean it sells like 10 million most of the time why not make one obviously people like playing them? Maybe Sony wants to keep the illusion of sophistication. This may be a problem since console gamers and pc gamers over lap. I'm sure every one has look up current apu specs on trinity by AMD. I don't see many people running out to get one. Infact a gt690 with any thing above a i3 or i5 would let you run any ps4 game. This is why gamers are not impressed along with the fact that developers are hell bent on making 30fps games. One of the problem with last gen systems where the frame rates, which is why many don't even play that 5 year old over priced pc they have. Just look to sonys viao computers,laptops. They are horribly expensive for what you can get. Even the stick market knows this. There may not be enough of Sony in the ps4 to be impressed? No super new tech, no new form of ram, no new media, no new way of controlling things, they have a pc but why can the gamers not mod on the console it self? Just some pretty sameish games, that we hardly liked last gen. They will get wiiu numbers if they are expecting those games to sell. What did infamous sell what about killzone? Also price is going to be an issue until it drops or more true next gen playing games that play better than the games that came before come out.
1080p is impressive ? PS4 specs impressive ? A gaming PC can match it today, and obliterate it in a couple of years. It also has backward compatibility for thousands of games, unlike the PS4 which can only play a handful at the beginning.
@runner Gameplay is ignored in PC gaming really? If you don't know anything about PC gaming then don't talk about it. Go look at Steam and tell me if half of those games is trying to sell graphics. Not even the PS2 has a big of a catalog as PC gaming does. @turgore Was 720p impressive in 2005? Already PC games were running at 1600x1200 then. Within the power of consoles themselves, the PS4 is impressive and a true generational leap.
Maybe a side scrolling HD Mario game would of impressed them more. >_> These guys certainly have double standards.
IBM said in many statements wiiu is using their new state of the art eDRAM its the future of cpu cores,nintendo is using this technology on the MCM so for both gpgpu/cpu,the wiiu cpu has 3MB eDRAM as cache on the cpu.
i think they know Knack, KZ shadowfall, Driveclub or Deep down looks better than anything else on the market, they just need hits. c´mon let´s throw a bone to this dog.......... really? no one?
can someone on here tell me what these journos consider as next gen. how the hell do they know what next gen is going to feel like. obviously this article agrees that the graphics look next gen but I would like someone on here to explain why I keep seeing many sites stating that the games showcased for ps4 don't "feel" next gen. Have they been to the future already and experienced next gen games or are they just submitting bullshit as news? if the closing of 1up is to give any clue as to which one is correct, I'd have to say it's probably the latter and they are spouting bullshit. people on here always give someone crap for saying that a lot of the media has been biased against Sony for a long time now but when you see stupid articles like this how can you say their isn't a bias our hidden agenda. this type of article shouldn't be out til the ps4 comes out.
sad website is sad. articles like this is the reason they are going out of business. professional is a dying art in journalism.
Gaming journalism is dying...
They are trying to show MS they can still be of use. Just give us more $ MS and we'll continue the hate :), lets do it like old times. You don't need 2 send those gift baskets when we review your games! we'll still give it 10 and say anything sony has is shit and repetitive but DAM does that COD series always feel fresh and plays better on xbox *winks*
Poor journalism at its finest. These people have jobs but they're not doing it right.
Time to ban 1up. They are only making trash articles with their final days.
I don't get what they are expecting from next gen consoles. I guess they want holograms to sit next to them on the couch while they play in 3d with a fan that blows wind in your face when you play racing games. Everything is gradual.
MTE. The PS4 launch line-up isn't even fully announced yet. I doubt we even know half of the titles releasing.
Very well said. You said exactly what I have been thinking. We haven't even seen all of Sony's PS4 games, they aren't even finished yet and the thing they were using wasn't even the full system.And yet people keep going on about how the games don't look next gen. How about we wait until we see the actual games instead of demos and trailer and THEN we can have conversations about how next gen they are or they aren't.We don't even know what else they have in store for us. And what was wrong with Driver's Club.That looked pretty impressive to me. Pure car porn to be able to actually slide into the driver's seat and buckle up
People are actually not even reading the article which states the the graphical leap was impressive but there was 'a lack of innovation in them'. edit: you cant just read the title.
What did they expect exactly? I don't get what they wanted to see. That's why people disagree with them.
Like the person above said: what is next gen? What do people really want from consoles? Like I have always said: gameplay will never evolve faster than graphics, and that is true. All that matters is if a game is fun enough to you, and no one else. All genres will always be fresh because new generation of gamers will always emerge. Next gen consoles wont be taking your kids to school, or writing your college essay.
I didn't say that i agree with the article but I just dont like people saying something false like how many people are trying to justify the graphical ability.
"Word of a new Final Fantasy being in development did provide an opportunity for Square Enix's presence on stage to have some real significance, but forcing us to weight for E3 to learn anything about it was a cruel tease for series fans who were hoping to hear about the status of Versus XIII." Weight?! Thank God this heap of shit site is going away
Games not even out and the demo they should was amazing..1up trying to get hits to their website
Nobody reads them anyway.
They don't "lack" the next-gen feel. Everyone is just expecting too much from next-gen.
Just tell 1up this: Xbox 360 Launch. Perfect Dark Zero visuals? Bitch please.
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Yes because the huge barrage of videos, trailers, in game footage and screen shots we've seen is enough to base our opinion off. Morons
You're spot on, I was just about to write that also and flag this article as lame. And this is what they call *professional* journalism?
The thing about revealing a next gen console first is that you have to go up against peoples unrealistic expectation of what they think next gen should be. Whatever expectations you have it's still too early to say one way or another if the difference in the games is enough to justify new hardware. Especially since we cannot compare it to anything releasing on the next Xbox as we have no details yet. Anyway, jumping in with an opinion now is like hitting the quiz show buzzer before you've heard the question.
the best comment I read in weeks *Intelligent* BubbleUp
Yup, 1up are definitely a few peices short of their jigsaw puzzle and they're claiming it looks nothing like what's on the front of the box.
Sony showed what they needed to show while giving hints to the possibilities with the new controller and what Gaikai will do. I think the graphics are what i expected, Killzone looked very good. I too thought the game was more of the same old stuff and wanted to see some innovation. But it's always a fine line of staying true to its roots and pushing forward into new gameplay elements. Either way you're right, it's far too early to draw any conclusions about how the next gen 'feel' will be. I know they are pushing social and sharing features.
Well I think that we are in in the 2nd generation of the HD generation. The Ps3 had a few games running at 60 fps at 1080p(WipeoutHD) but the Ps4 will ensure those become the standard. I personally think the jump between the Ps3 and Ps4 will be similar to PsOne to Ps2 but not Ps2 to Ps3 because when you here the PC master race brag how there rig is 15 times more powerful than the Ps3 they have no games that look 15 times as good as the Last of Us. I think the next major leap comparable to Ps2 to Ps3 will be the 4k and 8k and full digital distribution when the Ps5 releases. So to sum up the Ps4 is next gen but is more of continuation of the HD generation. Just like the Ps2 was a improvement over the PsOne but not as revolutionary as the Ps2 to Ps3. The Ps4 has evolutionary graphics but revolutionary social features.
Well said that's exactly what I was saying about to my brother PS2 was a refinement of the PS1 not bringing any revolutionary features to the table. PS4 is a refinement of the PS3.. or HD era
@gimme I disagree,these are first gen games running on unfinalised hardware and the games look like the cut scenes of current gen games,I believe as time passes,that's when we'll see a difference.
You are entitled to your own opinion but whether you like it or not we are still in the HD generation, we will not see games running on ps4 at 4k at 60fps. The basis of my argument is that the Ps4 will do what the Ps3 could only just manage, with little problem. We will see better effects, more characters on screen, better draw distance etc. The jump from Ps3 to Ps4 is simialiar to the jump from the PsOne to Ps2 but won't be as noticeable as Ps2 to Ps3.