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Submitted by NYC_Gamer 565d ago | opinion piece

Nintendo: The New Sega

Forbes:Nintendo kicked off the new generation of console hardware last fall with the introduction of the Wii U but will it be able to survive the rise of new consoles by Sony and Microsoft and how will it evolve? (Culture, Nintendo, Wii U)

bullymangLer  +   565d ago
i dont get the point of these fanboy articLes . . so just because sony and microsoft have systems of their own now = nintendo wont have gamechanger games? . . ah eh ohhh . .
Silly gameAr  +   565d ago
I wrote a blog post about that, but it mysteriously disappeared.
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Mounce  +   565d ago
People though have to seriously consider just how huge an opportunity it'd be for Nintendo to strictly go Software only. If Mario and their exclusive IP's went multiplatform. It'd cause competition(Hardware wise) to boost....but do you know just how much more their sales would boost?! It's be completely off the scale! The amount of people that ran NES/SNES emulators on PSP. It's like, what if Mario was on PSP and PS Vita? People would play handheld Mario games and the likes without homebrew, no illegal shit and play it on the go on ANY handheld.

If Mario can sell say, 5 million on a title alone on DS or 3DS or 10 or 20 million...but if it were on PSP/Vita/Android/iPhones. Do you really think them selling 50-100 millions would be far from the truth?...

It's a Goldmine of an opportunity for them to just Not care or waste money and R&D or advertise a console and simply go software and go to as many platforms as possible. SERIOUSLY. GOLDMINE! No other company can do this. If Killzone or Uncharted from Sony went multiplatform to such a degree, you really think it'd boost its sales by THAT much? Even if they're great god damn games, it'd not leave a mark as strongly as Nintendos IP's.
user3915800  +   565d ago
Everything dissapears and reapears online. Nintendo is not the new Sega, sega is the new nintendo.

Lets face it, nintendo stick to what u know best the handheld and kill the wiiu. Problem solved, stock holders happy and no more money wasted.
theDECAY  +   565d ago
Yeah, the Nintendo hate is pretty bad lately. I am a PlayStation guy. I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the N64, but I really love some of their franchises.
BanBrother  +   565d ago
First off, ouch.

Now, SEGA just published Aliens Colonial'Marines, a buggy POS that wouldn't have been considered average in the 'Pong era'. Also, they let Bayonetta go.
If Ninetndo did ever becomes a software only company, I would be devastated if they had business standards as low as SEGA's of today.
humbleopinion  +   565d ago
While Aliens was indeed a buggy POS, Sega can't take all the blame for that game. Things like that happen with almost every publisher.

On the other hand, they didn't let Bayonetta go (On the contrary: they still co-publish the game with Nintendo, and you can bet the game will be out for other consoles to recoup the costs later on).
They also just released The Cave which is a pretty good game, brought Anarchy Reign to the west (best brawler I played this gen), and recently released All-Stars Racing Transformed which is the best mario-kart clone since... well since ever I guess.

Not to mention, Sega now has both Company of Heroes 2 and Total Rome 2 planned for release this year. Sequels for two of the best RTS series ever released coming from a single publisher in the same year? That's higher expectations than what I have for the entire WiiU lineup from Nintendo...
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BanBrother  +   564d ago
The problem solely lies in their business practices. I do not dispute some great quality titles have been published by them, many of which I have bought and enjoyed. Just that some of the most mediocore cash in crap has also been published by them. Like Kinect games.

It seems SEGA will do anything for money, ANYTHING. Let us not forget them abandoning the AvP 2010 MP a few months after release. They left it with broken matchmaking. Never forgiven them for that.

Also, while they did not make Aliens CM, they still released it knowing it was a pile of crap. You would have though on top of that, that they would have checked in on the game more often during its development, and noticed when something was off earlier on. But again, SEGA just trying to get some easy money. I can't blame them though, they used to make hardware lol.
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SDF Repellent  +   565d ago
Sega used to be great during its hayday. They made some of the best games in history like Virtua Fighter, Shenmue, and Panzer Dragoon Saga. I have no idea how they had fallen to making b grade movie license games and busts like Colonial Marines. I don't see that happening to Nintendo if they were to go third party in the future as their games are too big and well-know. Wish them the luck with the Wii U in 2012.
tweet75  +   565d ago
no nintendo will come out with enough great first party content at least to keep the wii u a good contender. Even if third parties arent satisfied and back away.
just-joe  +   565d ago
This article is kind of a joke. Sega went third party for a number of reasons that this article fails to even look into. I think a guy in the comment section of the article put it best:

"Do you even understand why Sega went under as a console business? It wasn’t just because of competition, it was because their hardware releases were too frequent, and the hardware was too complex and expensive, making it difficult for developers and ultimately leading to less support from Sega’s end.

The Sega Genesis had 2 different, bulky addons in the early 90s. Both were short lived with very few games. They planned to have a combined Genesis with the 32X, but by the time they had developed a working unit, it overlapped with the Saturn and had to be cancelled. The Saturn was as expensive, at US$399, as it was a failure outside of Japan. The Saturn was discontinued overseas in 1998, just 2 years after international release.

The Dreamcast came out too early, in 1999, eager to get ahead of the PS1 and N64 and away from the Saturn. From what I remember playing the Dreamcast at Toys ‘R Us a decade back, the system and games were far too expensive, on top of Sega being financially drained at this point. The PS2 released in 2000, gaining much popularity through Sony’s successful campaign and adoption of the DVD format, forcing Sega to drop out of the race a year later.

In short, Sega was beaten out of the console race when they were already in a bad state. Mirror that with Nintendo’s history and it’s a completely different story. Nintendo won’t go like the way of Sega, at least not for a couple decades for all we know, and it won’t at all be like how Sega fell."
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Donnieboi  +   565d ago
Rest in Peace. <3
mistertwoturbo  +   565d ago
Most of us who grew up in the late 80s, early 90s, probably had a Nintendo console of some sort. I personally had a NES, SNES, N64, and Wii. I skipped the Game Cube. Probably might skip the Wii U, not sure about that one yet.

The market is changing. Although there's a lot of focus on mobile platforms, there's also a surge in the PC gaming market. People are starting to wise up about hardware.

You see it a lot now, people actually talk about Graphics Cards and compare them to each other either Radeon or Geforce. The rise in HTPC use as well as gaming has really brought this market to the main stream.

And the direction we're headed, the PS4 and NextBox will align with the rising PC gaming world. They are going to share similar experiences and branch out in ways we can't even imagine yet. I just don't see the Wii U as part of that picture. Sure they will have some good first party Nintendo games (which may or may not be enough.)
greatcrusader44  +   565d ago
One thing I don't get is when people complain about Nintendo reusing game series throughout the years. Its not like all their IPs are Shooters, just about each of their IPs are vastly different from eachother. They want to make a AAA platformer, why make a new IP when they have Mario? Action Adventure title, why not use Zelda instead of making a completely new series? Flight Simulator? Star Fox. Racer? F-Zero. Fighter? Smash Bros. Sorta shooter with heavy adventure elements? Metroid. List goes on.

Yes they don't have each of these each gen, but you get my point. Now I'm not saying they shouldn't make new IP's, that would be ludicrous, but they've been around so long and have already made a vast array of them it would be silly not to use them.

Nintendo's far from perfect, was disappointed with the Wii, but people really need to get off their back. People complain that there were too many Main Game Marios this Gen but there were only 3 on Wii (Gal 1/2, NSMBW) While just about all of Microsoft/Sony's IP's have had 3 or titles and most of them are shooter's or some form of shooter. (Now before I get hate I know I'm generalizing a bit and know Uncharted isn't the same as Killzone)
Silly gameAr  +   565d ago
Man, if Nintendo used some of that creativity on some new IP's, I think some heads would explode.
FlyingFoxy  +   565d ago
sick of the uninformed BS here, the difference is that SEGA had a much more powerful console well *BEFORE* Sony and Nintendo released theirs.

The only issue the DC had was disc space on the GD roms, other than this there was nothing wrong with the system and a lot of games were up there with the PS2 graphically. Even the Dreamcast could emulate PS1 games better than the PS2 could lol.

Hype of PS2 killed the Dreamcast, not because it wasn't powerful enough.. people who say that obviously never owned one or spent much time with one.
SDF Repellent  +   565d ago
You forgot the most important aspect of the downfall of the dreamcast, Third party support. Games like Madden, Fifa, GTA, Final Fantasy and Metal Gear that weren't on the Dreamcast really put Sega on a disadvantage situation even though the first party support was great at the time. This show you the importance of Third party support and I'm afraid the Wii U will fall under the same faith as that of the Dreamcast.
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Theyellowflash30  +   565d ago
No that was not the downfall of Sega. The company ran out of money from all their failed past consoles.

SEGA CD
SEGA 32X
SEGA Nomad
SEGA Saturn
SEGA Gamegear

These investments drained SEGA's bank accounts so they couldn't afford to support the Dreamcast anymore. Nor did they have enough money to fund the development of more first party games.

SEGA's first party games never sold well at all either. Nintendo has much better games, and far more money than SEGA had. The Dreamcast and Wii U are not comparable at all. And you don't know what the hell your talking about.

You should actually research how SEGA failed instead of just saying the first thing that comes to your mind.
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miyamoto  +   565d ago
This is really getting absurd!

Do not underestimate Nintendo.

If these is one thing history has taught me is to never underestimate Yamauchi and his wealth.

Only a few people really know what really happened between Nintendo and Sega rivalry.
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MegaLagann  +   565d ago
If there's one thing I've learned in my short time on this planet besides Ice Cream first thing in the morning being a bad idea, is to never count Nintendo out. They always seem to be on the brink of destruction, always on life support and yet they're always ranked as the number one game publisher in the world. I know I keep on saying this but Nintendo will get themselves out of this rut, if they can salvage themselves after the Virtual Boy, then they can get out of this, and hopefully the Nintendo hate on this and other gaming websites simmers down a little because as some people have said it's getting ridiculous.

Anyway, the article, saying Nintendo is the new Sega is way, way, WAY off. Sega was is so much debt and so close to going out of business that they had to merge with a Pachinko manufacturer. So comparing that to Nintendo, who may be losing money right now, has billions of dollars in the bank, is laughable.
NYC_Gamer  +   565d ago
Nintendo will learn that core gamers are needed because casuals won't stick around
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THEMIGHTYDOOVDE  +   564d ago
The casuals didn't touch the Wii for months when it came out. There's still time for the Wii U yet.

They get Farmville and the like on that Gamepad and the casuals will come rolling in.

I know they can already do all that on their PC or phone but throw in all their Wiimotes, balance boards, old & updated party and dancing games, and it all adds up to a console that'll probably have a price drop when PS4720 arrives!
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THEMIGHTYDOOVDE  +   564d ago
Clearly the 'journalist' at Forbes who wrote this didn't even bother checking the worth of the company he was reporting on.

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