A huge install base on PS3 combined with another studio's realistic racing game on PS4 means that GT6 on PS3 makes a great deal of sense. Right?
Well, that and it took them what, 5 years to make GT5's engine which is probably better suited to the Cell Processor.
If they want to shift PS4s, releasing a MASSIVE title like GT6 on their previous console just as they release the new console is a bit of an ass-backwards move no matter how you look at it. They should be looking at the future, early adopters, getting market share - not worrying about a bit of extra cash coming in from the millions of PS3 users. Releasing on both systems with a MUCH upgraded PS4 version is the ONLY sensible option imo. Otherwise someone when faced with 'buy PS4 or stick with PS3 + GT6' may do the latter and spend months with the game rather than going out to buy a PS4. Bad move if true. Game sales and install base is no excuse to fuck up your own market share when everything is in place to dominate the next gen even before it starts! If GT6 was going to be PS3 all along then they should have released it in 2012 BEFORE the PS4 announcement. Stupid timing.
Well I agree. I'm on the side of "They should release it on PS4." Not only will it make the PS4 investment more worthwhile, it would also just be awesome to see GT6 without hardware limitations.
I totally agree with you EbeneezerGoode, Sony are already expecting quite large sells from the games expected this year. Im sure Sony will get large sells from GOW ascension, The last of us and Beyond two souls, they don't need to release GT6. GT6 is such as huge game for Sony they should DEFINITELY has this as a launch (or a much upgraded version if it end up going on PS3)for PS4. As much as GT fans want the game now i think they will be a bit disappointed given the limitations of current gen hardware.I want GT but not this gen still playing GT5.
If GT6 will be on PS3 I will not be getting it if it comes out after PS4 release. I'll be playing PS4 games by than.
Ps3 is so limited compared to these capabilities PD could do with ps4! Standard cars with ps2 graphics pshhhhhh you can have that sh!t I will be supporting the future of what gaming has to offer holiday 2013
And also Sony still supports their older systems so it would make sense.plus like you said GT 5 engine was made for the ps3 not ps4 in mind and polyphony and Sony need to make money and they would make more money on ps3 than ps4. Which will benefit gran turismo 7 for ps4, plus they could do what they did with GT 5 to help with the waiting. Which is release a GT 7 prologue :-)
GT6 on PS3 is a load of nonsense. It will be on PS4. Definitely a *Top *Gem Sony production and title and honestly believe Sony would only befit this game into the best console.
The game is made for PS3, even if it was ported to PS4, Drive Club's graphics would look a lot better.
I'm not sure that it would matter. If GT6 was released for both PS3 & PS4, the PS4 version could just be a quick port that runs at a rock solid 60fps/1080p, has the blocky shadows/smoke effects fixed and makes use of the PS4 OS functions like crossgame chat and the recording of gameplay footage via the share button etc. It would take the absolute bare minimum of effort to do a quick port, but would then offer PS4 owners the chance to play a slightly better version if they want to. It's a win/win for both Sony and their customers.
@jimbobwahey Im sure GT6 would look great for PS3 and PS4 (with an upscaled HD version) but Sony could easily do that with GT5. i don't want polyphony studios to be held back by hardware limitations but by creative limitations with the PS4. The GT series is such as huge system sell what best way to show case the new systems power while increasing the systems installbase. PS3 already has exclusive games coming out this year that look great.
GOW 2 came out on ps2 because they wanted those 100's of millions of people to play it not just those lucky enough to have a ps3 at the time, I see the same happening with the Ps3 and Ps4
That is the main reason it won't be on PS4. Also, if it came to PS4, it wouldn't look much better since the game is developed for PS3 hardware.
I would prefer it if they were to release it simultaneously on both the PS3 and PS4..........However, I do understand that it could be bad for Drive club's sales(if its a launch title), if GT6 released as competition. If Drive club is not a launch title, then not releasing GT6 on PS4 could cause Sony to obtain a smaller consumer base than they could, if GT6 was available at launch. Now more importantly when the next Gran Turismo hits the PS4, I'm hoping that old PS3 Wheels are compatible with the PS4.
NOBODY cares about Drive clubs sales, Sony cares about PS4 sales - it's the lifeblood at the start of a new gen and they should be pulling out all the stops to make it a success. Drive club is a poor substitute for a fresh new Gran Turismo on a new system (even if it ends up being a great game itself) Who here didn't imagine a GT6 on PS4 when we first heard PS4 rumours of being THIS year? It's simply stupid timing to release GT6 now on PS3. It won't even sell that well and by not being on PS4 will also be unable to push PS4 sales. Why won't it sell that well? I'm a massive GT fan but already I saw in GT5 that the tech wasn't quite there yet to do it justice... I have NO desire to buy basically a minorly upgraded (tech wise) GT for a system I'm about to abandon for PS4! It could have rocked on PS4 anyone with a brain knows this, and unless they also have a GT7 ready for PS4 in the first year, this is one of the worst moves they could make. There is simply no 'need' for a GT6 on PS3 when GT5 isn't even 'finished' or fully formed yet. Add on packs, car upgrades etc would have been fine. We need a whole new engine, massive graphics/physics upgrades that can only come from the new PS4 and it's enhanced spec!
This! This is easily the best post on this topic.
It'll keep the media happy with the endless graphics compare shots and video's :)
PSX = Gran Turismo & Gran Turismo 2 PS2 = Gran Turismo 3 & Gran Turismo 4 PS3 = Gran Turismo 5 & Gran Turismo 6 logical..
Except when they released GT4 they hadn't already announced the next playstation coming in the *SAME YEAR* ILLOGICAL
ok hears logical, why sell your biggest weapon with a console that has no install base, when you could release one on a console that has sold 75 million+ who says they arent working on gt7 alreadyw tih the new engine? whats the harm in making a few extra million to fund gt7 on the ps4
If you looked at the development of GT5, it took them years and the budget must be astronomical. Why wouldn't it make sense for Sony to get another GT game on the PS3 when they already have the game engine, car models, and etc already established and have a 70 million base to sell it to. It is going to be a few years before you will see GT on the PS4 because they they need to build it from the ground up.
Polyphony have had another two years to perfect the engine and would have had nore time to correct know mistakes in GT5.
That plus the fact that traditionally two main entries come out per home console AND new IP's on the PS4 like Driveclub need a chance to shine.
This is excellent news for Xbox fans. GT is the only Sony franchise that comes close to Halo. With GT6 being wasted on an old console, the PS4 will be without its flagship franchise for 3-5 years, (perhaps longer as PD are notorious for delays)giving Microsoft plenty of room to build a lead over Sony. Though it's odd that the head of PD actually criticized the PS3 hardware for GT5's shortcomings, saying it restricted their vision. They used it as their scapegoat because they couldn't even put damage into half the cars, which is pathetic for a racing game. http://www.techradar.com/us... Turn 10 is now hard at work on a next gen Forza while PD is saddled with a 7 year old hardware. Forza 5 --> brand new hardware & 8GB of RAM Gran Turismo 6 --> ancient hardware & 512 MB of RAM Console war over: Xbox 720 victory confirmed.
What does microsoft win exactly? forza doesn't exactly light up the charts like halo does for microsoft and really doesn't move the units that both halo and GT does.
It's pretty clear you like kissing XBOX ass from your comment which begs the question why are you here commenting on a playstation only title ???
1. Who the f**k cares about Xbox fans? (fanboys are lame) 2. I think that was a simple PR bs talk, "limitation". (its still the best looking racing game) 3. PS4 has DriveClub and it will compete with Forza 5 (if FM5 releases on next xbox). 4. GT5 is using PS3 architect which is way different than PS4. 5. PD has large install base on the PS3, so GT6 will sell more than Forza 5.6.7 and Drive club. I only need two things fixed in GT6. - Engine sounds - Make all cars look premium. If they fix these, i will consider reburying a PS3.
Since when was it confirmed Microsoft's next console will have 8GB of RAM? It doesn't take that much to run Kinect games dude. lol Anyways... You may be right that Gran Turismo is Sony's only franchise that rivals Halo in terms of sales. But Microsoft doesn't really have any other known huge sellers like Sony does that'll be available for launch or at least in the first 1-2 years. By that time, we'll see a barrage of Sony's other big sellers like Killzone, Uncharted, and LittleBigPlanet etc. and not to mention the crap load of new IP's that they love to bring out. I highly doubt we'll see much new AAA core IP's from Microsoft considering all they really seem to focus on is Kinect. If that past few years are anything to go by, I wouldn't even be surprised if majority of the 720's launch focuses on Kinect.
I think 8GB of ram was confirmed when SuperDae had the FBI at his front door, complements of Microsoft. At least in my mind. But yea I'd be surprised if Microsoft has any system sellers for the 720 launch. Sony has shown amazing exclusives that Microsoft can't even touch.
Kinect makes Microsoft an insane amount of money while Sony is losing money and has to close down more studios every year (Liverpool, Lightbox, Zipper, etc..). Microsoft uses that money to secure exclusive content early for its users for nearly every big game. Fallout3 Fallout: New Vegas Tomb Raider: Underworld Tomb Raider (2013) Resident Evil 6 Skyrim Grand Theft Auto 5 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Call of Duty: Black Ops Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 The list goes on and on and on and on... People in turn buy multiplatform games on the 360 because they don't want to have to wait months to get the latest content. Microsoft in turn makes a huge profit from these software sales and the cycle repeats itself.
@ Cryax4 Microsoft lost billions on issues caused by rushing their product to market (RROD). They get a heck of a lot each year from XBL subscriptions, but Microsoft shareholders have always considered the gaming divison to be the weakest link comparatively. Sony as a company is on a turnaround but are still needing to be cautious at every step. Their gaming division is their most profitable and PS3 has been pushing profit going on 2 years now. The exclusive content stuff is nonsense, because Sony has just as many deals with other publishers for exclusive DLC. They even have ongoing partnerships with Bungie/Activition on Destiny going into next gen and EA with games like Assassin's Creed (confirmed for AC4) and Battlefield (BF4 most definietly). You should expect a continuation of this with games like Watch Dogs. Have a look at the sales charts for most Kinect games dude. Most of them (by Xbox fanboy standards) are flops. So I don't think Kinect is doing as well for them as you suggest. Next gen might change things for them, but as we know, casual consumers are fickle and by their very definition, casual with purchase decisions. They will drop one fad for the next in an instant and that market is not a basket worth putting most of your eggs in, à la Microsoft. Best example I could possibly give is Nintendo - Wii was a runaway success - now look at Wii U by relative comparison. See what I mean about fickle? They got bored, moved on to Kinect and after that, there'll be something else to waver their attention. Core games for a dedicated market is something you can count on generation after generation. And Sony doesn't have to worry about that now that their system is developer-friendly and pushing the bleeding edge of social gaming via sharing and streaming. Them closing down unproductive studios is sad but efficient towards a growth potential - as I said developers are queuing up to make games for PS4, so them closing down studios not proving their worth is good for business. Your additional fanboy rantings just got owned by the responses. Try harder. Gears of War outsold all PS3 exclusives in the country? Oh yeah, in the good ol' U.S. of A!/ Mayte... stop living in an enclosed space and understand that America is home to Xbox but not every other company. Worldwide success is much more commendable than selling more in your own country. You're like a band raving that they sold 100 CDs in their home town, compared to someone selling 300 across the world.
"Kinect makes Microsoft an insane amount of money while Sony is losing money and has to close down more studios every year (Liverpool, Lightbox, Zipper, etc..)." Liverpool merged with Evolution. Lightbox wasn't first party. And Zipper practically closed themselves down. LMAO. All the while Sony acquires Sucker Punch, Gaikai (An entire Cloud Gaming company), and not to mention expands their biggest devs such as Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, and Sony Santa Monica by huge amount FYI. And have you forgotten about PS+ and Sony's Cloud Gaming features? Those 2 by themselves will bring Sony a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE amount of profit. And not to mention it'll actually bring content to gamers that are actually wanted. Not just barriers like needing to have XBL Gold just to be able to access half of the game you've ALREADY paid for or use Apps like Netflix that are free to use on EVERY OTHER DEVICE. "Microsoft uses that money to secure exclusive content early for its users for nearly every big game." And also nothing but Kinect right? Pretty sure people would prefer new IP's or hell, even old IP's that Microsoft never uses such as Killer Instinct or Perfect Dark etc over crappy Resident Evil 6 DLC that nobody cares about or that mediocre 73 meta rated Dawnguard DLC. Just sayin. "People in turn buy multiplatform games on the 360 because they don't want to have to wait months to get the latest content. Microsoft in turn makes a huge profit from these software sales and the cycle repeats itself." I see one problem there. Like I said above, Microsoft has all that cash but either pockets it, or uses it on things that the core gamer couldn't give a crap about. Apps, casual shovelware, and timed DLC that'll end up on other platforms eventually instead ACTUAL NEW IP'S.
@Cyrax4 xbox merican fanboy in damage control! Sony has way more First party Developers than MS can even imagine. Gears of War 3 sold 5.78m Uncharted 3 sold 5.70m Worldwide matters not only USA..... Metacritic scores? lol people still buy their games based on metacritics? lol Developers care about sales not Metascores. GT5 sold 10 millions copies more than FM2,3 and 4 combined(worldwide not only USA)... Only fanboys use Metacritics to compare games.... Btw, i like both consoles but i prefer PC gaming over both.
@ Cryax4 (continued) "Sony is losing money and has to close down more studios every year (Liverpool, Lightbox, Zipper, etc..)." Meanwhile, Sony is acquiring development houses that make them money and support their future strategy - left, right and centre. "PS+ doesn't make 1/10 the annual revenue of Xbox Live. Not even 1/10. That's embarrassing." Remind me how many years Xbox Live has been a service for. Then remind me how long PS+ has been a service for. You fool. You utter fool. PS+ has nowhere near the subscriber base because it hasn't been going as long. You think THAT is embarrassing? That's just logic. You know what is actually embarrassing though? The fact that millions of people pay to access P2P functionality for their games. THAT is not just embarrassing but it's shameful. "How did Move work out for Sony? Oh, that's right, Kinnect outsold it 5 to 1." Remind me how much Microsoft spend buying the company behind Kinect and the amount they spent marketing the damn thing. Then remind me how much Sony spent on publicity for the Move. It starts to put things in perspective now doesn't it? "People prefer new IP's eh? Is that why Halo, Gears, & Fable vastly outsell nearly every single PS3 exclusive?" Gran Turismo is in the big league with Halo. Uncharted 3 sold almost as much as Gears 3 worldwide(!). Fable? Don't make me laugh, that was also on PC. Remind me of the Fable: The Journey sales again... and name me other Xbox IPs that sell like them? Funny that.. there are none outside select Kinect software. But God of War, Gran Tursimo and Uncharted all make Sony lots of money. So you can't be talking much sense pal. Sony share the same success with their big franchises, but they also provide gamers with heaps of variety. "After losing the bet, Miller ripped PS3 fans on a later podcast for being all talk and not supporting developers." Greg Miller doesn't know what the heck he's talking about in that case. He's just pissed off like a child that he didn't win the bet. It's not gamers' fault that those games weren't as successful as the big boys. In fact, internet dwelling hype monsters like us make up but a small percentage of the market of PS3 software. We find out about games on the Internet because it's our passion. Most people don't, and so the rest is up to marketing. It's Sony's fault for not publicizing them all in equal measure. I guess that's the cost of supporting your consumers with lots of diverse experiences. "Don't try spinning that the US market doesn't matter." And don't pretend that worldwide sales count for nothing, because the world is bigger than your country.
you do realise gran turismo 5 has sold more than the last three instalments of forza put together right?
Forza 5 --> brand new hardware & 8GB of slow cheap DDR3 RAM Hardware war over: PS4 victory confirmed.
Quite certain Sony/Polyphony and GT creator Kazunori Yamauchi-san are in agreement beforehand about spec sheet/release date of PS4 which must surely give Kaz-san roughly the time frame to prepare GT6 probably during and/or after the production of GT5. GranTurismo is Sony's baby and I'm sure it would be released for the PS4.
wheres my Spec II for GT5, wheres my Prolouge for GT6
I don't believe journalists.
Scumbag Kazunori Yamauchi: Blames PS3 for holding back Gran Turismo 5 Decides to release Gran Turismo 6 on PS3 http://www.lazygamer.net/ps...
How dare you call Kazunori yamauchi a scumbag, I swear some people. And yeah Sony and polyphony need to make money so by putting on the ps3 it would make more sense. Plus the engine for GT 5 was designed for the ps3 not ps4 and am sure now that ps4 is an easier machine to build games GT7 won't take as long as GT 5 did.
Remember when Kaz said that Sony will wait until the new Xbox, to announce the PS4 and later Sony surprises everybody with the New York meeting. They are trying to misleading the competence. GT6 in PS3 is a good idea, Halo 4 showed that a AAA game in a system with a large number of users is very profitable ( 5 million of copies sold), the PS3 will say goodbye with incredible game lineup: GOW, The Last of US,Beyond, Grand Thief Auto V, Bioshock infinity and maybe GT6. The problem is that Sony has not officially announced the game , this will means that GT6 is for PS4 in Christmas of 2014 and release the version of game in 2013 in PS3, or the launch of the new console will postponed until 2014 to keep the enough space to people to buy the last great PS3 games. A Vita version will be Nice.
I predict the the PS4 will have a phased release just like previous consoles and that EU won't get it until early 2014. If that happens, what better game to move PS3 units this holiday season than GT6?
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