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Submitted by gulevski 495d ago | opinion piece

Xbox Durango: How Microsoft Can Win Next-Gen

"With rumours swirling around about next-generation consoles, Sony’s unveiling of ‘some’ PlayStation 4 information has gotten people wondering what exactly Microsoft can do to match or surpass Sony’s new console" | Explosion.com (Microsoft, PS3, Sony, Tag Invalid, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

TheLyonKing  +   496d ago
Depends how Microsoft sees winning.

Aside from sales even if say ps4 sells more games ms would still stay but our nexbox has more users using it for Facebook and tv etc.

In all honesty if they are still 75% about games then they still have my vote.

Sony seems very committed to and I am glad. Remember it's a games console not a multimedia device that can also play games.
aceitman  +   495d ago
If Sony can catch up to ms coming in a year later and Sony coming in this gen 1st or at the same time with a very good console and a good price I can't see ms winning next gen at all. If Sony says they learn there mistakes from last gen and do it right Sony can dominate strong. I'm not trolling it's just looking in Sonya's favor strongly .
The Meerkat  +   495d ago
Good online service with good games, thats all I need.

I opted with MS this gen because by the time Sony had games and an acceptable online I was already committed to MS.

But next gen Sony will have the online and the games working right from the start. So I'm inclined to go with Sony this time as I don't like the direction MS have taken over the last 24 months.
Skips  +   495d ago
Sonya?

http://trickfist.com/trickf...

EDIT: I completely agree.
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madpuppy  +   495d ago
Sonic200, that picture of Sonya looks like Dolf Lundgren on hormone therapy.
b163o1  +   495d ago
Agreed, MS biggest downfall is the lack of original IP's. Something we all know Sony is fairly strong at. The article says MS should just make new IP's for there core gamers, but the problem with that is creating IP's is not an easy task. If it was the MS would be known for more the just Halo, Gears and Forza. It's a big financial risk to create a new IP's and know matter how well if its promoted or advertised if its a bad game it's not gonna sell. I remember MS buying up studios when the 360 first came out, but did nothing with them. I hope they can right there ship, cause we as gamers are the one who benefit, no matter which system is your choice…cheers
dcbronco  +   495d ago
Actually Original IP that doesn't sell has been a part of Sony's struggles. It may help them this generation, but it hurt them badly last generation. People keep talking like Sony has had major success with all of their exclusives. It's the exact opposite. Most haven't done well. They were break even games or lost money. Starhawk and Twisted Metal and inFamous 2. Those games lost money.

As much as people want to hate Kinect most of those games probably made money. So last generation had nothing to do with this generation. The only effect will be on fanboys of both sides incapable of making an informed choice. Fanboys will remain loyal to a fault while rational people will be smart enough to make a rational choice.

Rational people will look at all three consoles and decide on one or the other , two of the choices or all three. They won't base their decision on myths and legends and belief that it can't be on the Internet if it isn't true.

And save the only Sony cares about gamers thing. There is a name for companies that really, reallly care about what their company is doing. Non-profits(and most of them are liars too).
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timotim  +   495d ago
@aceitman

I think for MS they would say, "if we can just be competitive in Japan and not basically put our whole load on US and EU then we would dominate." PS3 was coming off the success of PS2 and PS1 before it, yet Sony's PS business dropped. MS came off a mediocre success with Xbox1, yet actually grew their business and made Xbox a household name. They did all that without the help of Japan...that in itself is an amazing feat. MS's goal is to retain their presence in EU and US while actually being able to compete in Japan...if they can do that, PS4 will be just as PS3 is now.
omi25p  +   495d ago
Sony came first this gen? Huh, you learn something new every day.
-Superman-  +   495d ago
It needs:
GAMES, GAMES, GAMES(EXCLUSIVE GAMES, NO KINECT GAMES)
CHEAP PRICE
FREE ONLINE

If there is a kinect, then we all know they will focus on Kinect, and then no buy Xbox 720
AngelicIceDiamond  +   495d ago
From article:

"It looks rather obvious that Microsoft can craft games that gamers want to play."

Makes sense the idea of Mass Effect, Gears, Alan Wake last gen games like Halo and Fable.

That's why I'm not worried about MS's core offerings and where it stands. MS has established HOT selling, and brand name franchises.

What makes everyone thank they can't do it again? because of Kinect? For 2 years that was MS's strategy with 360. If MS could, they would be releasing core games along side Kinect but they can't seeing how they don't own enough studios.

With 22 new* studios 6 of them being casual that leaves 16 core studios. Unlike N4G I'm not worried about if they'll "make hardcore" games or not. That's a pretty dumb question why wouldn't they?

MS is releasing a new video game console. The hardcore are the first to listen and observe (E3) and the first one in line (retail stores) Hardcore are there thick and thin.

And clearly MS knows this.
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Donnieboi  +   495d ago
Such strong delusion...
mistertwoturbo  +   495d ago
Hardware wise they need:

16 Core Intel i7-4960X Processor
32GB GDDR6 in Quad Channel
2 GTX TITAN's on the same die
2TB SSD
USB 4.0

All priced under $299.
sdrawkcab  +   495d ago
Boy, that escalated quickly.
mushroomwig  +   496d ago
'Integrate Kinect Properly Into Hardcore Games'

That idea alone is doomed to fail because that's not what hardcore gamers want.
OlgerO  +   495d ago
What? dont you like flailing your arms in front of the tv ?seems pretty hard core to me.
ALLWRONG  +   495d ago
You will be doing the same thing on the PS4 with the PS4's Kinect like thing.

Is the Sony camp trying to deny its existence?
CraigandDayDay  +   495d ago
@allwrong
The difference is that the Move will be used for hardcore ps4 games and the Kinect-type gameplay for games like just dance and the like.
DigitalRaptor  +   495d ago
@ ALLWRONG

The "PS4's Kinect like thing"? You mean their next logical iterative enhancement of the PS EYE? Yeah, it was going to happen regardless of Microsoft's focus on camera-based gaming/yoga.

However, I welcome new options, but where I know it will benefit me, is that it won't be a huge focus like we know Kinect 2.0 will be for Microsoft. I like the way in which Sony treated Move, as its focus didn't supersede the reasons for which people bought the PS3 in the first place. I hope and expect that modest approach with the PS4 EYE technology, where they offer it to developers but don't force people to make things out of it. Same with the light-bar on the DS4, I expect cool options from it, but don't take away what is core to the experience.

As long as both companies have a strong core gaming presence then I don't have issues. I've heard Microsoft have formed new studios to make new IPs. As long as they're not all Kinect-based there shouldn't be a problem.
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Smeagol2033  +   495d ago
I am a hardcore gamer and I want that. Speak for yourself
stage88  +   495d ago
= you are not a hardcore gamer.
edonus  +   495d ago
Thats that poison, showing its ugly head again. Kinect is just controller. They have told you all this wild stuff about kinect and you believe it because you want to.

The reality (something that the poison keeps you from seeing) is that Kinect is one of the most successful devices released in the last 3 years. The majority of the people that use it like it to love it look at Kinect Star Wars, even with tons of insane lie field reviews it has cracked 1 million units and is still selling today. That means it has an audience and they are pleased with it. If you ever really looked you would know kinect actually makes tons of money off of software sells. The big factors to remember is its a peripheral so it has a smaller install base, and the development costs are very low.

Integrating kinect into hardcore games is a sure fire way to win next gen. Kinect can do core games just imagine what kinect 2 will do.
mistertwoturbo  +   495d ago
I don't think the "core" gamers would really have a problem with it if they didn't shove it in their faces everywhere they went. It's like when they spend 45 minutes on Kinect games at E3 and 15 minutes about games they actually want.

But then again it's a business, and yes Kinect was successful for Microsoft, so it makes sense they are pushing it.
edonus  +   494d ago
Only poison would have somebody consider properly supporting your device shoving it down some ones throat. Shoving down your throat would be making every game kinect compatible, or requiring at least voice commands and gestures in the menus of every game.

The poison has people thinking MS stopped making exclusive new ips to work on kinect when reality is MS had already lowered production on exclusive new ips well before kinect. In fact in reality they actually started making new ips for kinect but according too the poison those cant count.

If you really look at kinect the only place it has struggled is with the smallest part of the market.
Drainage  +   495d ago
they already lost
Smeagol2033   495d ago | Trolling | show
AngelicIceDiamond  +   495d ago
How?
phinch  +   495d ago
Don't force kinect on us, release some games, new games for gamers, I dont want to dance jump or move around my living room, i just want to get home from work, switch on my console and play a proper game
DiRtY  +   495d ago | Funny
Durango could cure cancer and N4G would still prefer the PS4.
Erudito87  +   495d ago
sony consoles usually allow you to do more than just gaming and are made to a better quality(my ps3 40gb fat version runs still runs quieter than my xbox 360 elite which sounds like its got lawn mower motor powering the dvd drive) and online is free m$ charging for playing online was a d*** move
doublebass2  +   495d ago
Maybe if you really had an xbox 360 you would know by now that install games to harddrive, or usb stick-pen drive makes it way more quiter and faster than ps3 loading countrerpart!Its from a 2009 update, an now you can install 2 usb devices up to 32gb each!!Quit complaining!

p.s. cheer that you still have a functional 40gb ps3!It will soon ylod or rlod as well as mine did..Go get a slim ps3 before its 2 late!!
Erudito87  +   495d ago
I've had an xbox and ps3 for some time and have a high end pc. I work; so I have money and don't rely on my parents for gifts every xmas and birthday.

i do install games but ms doesnt make it easy to change out the hdd so i fill my 120 gb quite easy ps even with the games installed its alot louder than my ps3
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NukaCola  +   495d ago
Playstation curing cancer?
......Folding@HOME

well...actually there buddy, it kind of...
Dilldo_  +   495d ago
Haha well said. Don't know why this site is so infected with prepubescent ps fanboys.. It's been like that for years and I never quite found the reason
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OlgerO  +   495d ago
Apparently we do not all have your intelligence mister Dildo
MysticStrummer  +   495d ago
If only more people could be as mature as you, Dildo.
Rockstar  +   495d ago
Apparently you weren't here in 2006. As a PS3 owner at the time Sony hate was rampant and "ps fanboys" were in the minority.

The reason why "this site is so infected" may be bigger fan base?

Just guessing.
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ALLWRONG  +   495d ago
"Apparently you weren't here in 2006"

That's just an excuse, this is 2013. If you want to be taken to the past go watch "Angry Video Game Nerd".
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Rockstar  +   495d ago
I'm not making excuses.
Just refreshing the memories of all the pots calling the kettle black.

Also...I think I will watch Angry Video Game Nerd.
PurpHerbison  +   495d ago
I genuinely miss the era that had the modest "to each their own" kind of sony fanboy. The current sony fanboy is just as ridiculous as the early microsoft fanboy for the 360.
mistertwoturbo  +   495d ago
I was here in 2006. It wasn't just PlayStation gamers that were targeted. The sheer mention of you owning a Wii over a 360 grants you 10 lashes.

Thankfully those rabid 360-only fans are gone.

Now I've also noticed the uprising of rabid PS fanboys, but they are nowhere near the mental retardation of those 360 ones.
jessupj  +   495d ago
Maybe if MS actually release some games and stop charging for the privilege of using my own bandwidth I might actually start paying attention.

I find it funny that you find it funny that gamers don't like a console that's not focused on games.
SDF Repellent  +   495d ago
"I find it funny that you find it funny that gamers don't like a console that's not focused on games."

LOL, do you know how embarrassing that comment is. Outside of Twisted Metal and Sony Smash brothers, what titles that was on the PS3 last year that Xbox 360 owners don't have the option to buy? Oh yes, there was also Halo 4 and Forza Horizon too.
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Tiqila  +   495d ago
@SDF Repellent
so how many free games have you gotten for your monthly xbox online fee?

playstation plus is awesome and there's nothing comparable on your xbox.
SDF Repellent  +   495d ago
@Tiqila,

LOL, if you are referring to the free games on PS +, you do know it is not free right? Those Free games are only available to you while you have a valid subscription, if it is canceled, you are S.O.L. How do I know? Because I had used the service before, have you?
saint_seya  +   495d ago
SDF, idk MAYBE journey, that won more awards than forza and halo 4 #guess u decided to forget that game ;)
DigitalRaptor  +   495d ago
With a name like SDF Repellent, it really goes to show that when it comes down to it you're really a huge fanboy, and it exposes your insecurities.

In relation to your comment, it's not fine to ignore that Microsoft ACTUALLY charge you to use your own bandwidth. P2P connectivity. Heard of it? Obviously not. Nothing embarrassing about exposing Microsoft on that part.

What other titles you say? I say LittleBigPlanet Karting, Starhawk, Sorcery, Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Tales of Graces f, MLB 12: The Show, Jak & Daxter/Ratchet & Clank HD (old games, still options for PS3 gamers), The Unfinished Swan. Let's not forget the game of the year Journey which, as a downloadable title, beat out many big names - even Halo 4.

However, what we're talking about here, is Microsoft doing the same thing as they did with the original Xbox, which is dropping support. After the spin-off Gears game, what's on the horizon for the 360? Exactly.

PS3: Ni no Kuni, Sly Cooper, God of War, The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, Tales of Xilia, Kingdom Hearts 1.5 Remix, Dust 514, GT6. Perhaps The Last Guardian and FF Versus XIII.

360: Gears of War Judgement.

Hmmmmm, yeah..
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edonus  +   495d ago
And Gears of War Judgement will probably out sell all those games put together.
Halo 4 has already outsold all the sony exclusives from last year combined.....

So who do you think has a better idea of what the market wants.

The true core gamer market is actually really really small. They work better as mouth pieces than consumers. When Ni No Kuni and Starhawk start cracking 2-3 million sells you may get a voice.

Right now there are a bunch of core games out and they are struggling. DMC, Metal Gear, Crysis 3, Dead Space 3. All that exclusive talk is cool but its the end of a gen and we have plenty quality games to play.

And I cant wait to play Gears Judgement.
StreetsofRage  +   495d ago
LilBigPlanetKarting? LOL!

You just made yourself look like a fool with that one. Just cuz sony has more exclusives doesn't mean it's any good. The games you mentioned nobody wanted. All Stars? LMAO! Get out of here with that mess. Didn't even crack the top 50 in software sales the first month. Like I always say....

The 360: Quality
The Ps3: Quantity

Can't wait for Gears Judgement. BTW, Ni No was a good game. First game I bought since Uncharted 3. And by from all those exclusives that you mentioned...I'm not the only one that skipped those games judging them by sales.
MysticStrummer  +   495d ago
That cure for cancer would only be available with a XBL Gold account.

Speaking of curing diseases, did 360 ever have anything like Folding@home? The app has been removed from PS3 now, but it was available for 6 years.

http://folding.stanford.edu...

lol @SDF "what titles that was on the PS3 last year that Xbox 360 owners don't have the option to buy?"

You are truly representative of your chosen online community, SDF. On behalf of PSN, thank you for staying with XBL.
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MariaHelFutura  +   495d ago
People around here are so insecure.
SaveFerris  +   495d ago
MS will lead in the United States mainly to do with the existing Xbox Live users and BC, core titles such as Forza, Halo and Gears. Kinect and apps will play a much larger part than with the 360.

Worldwide, I still think Sony will edge it.
Ace_Pheonix  +   495d ago
This is most likely. American gamers, most that think they are 'hardcore' are really just casual gamers who don't know what's coming out until they see it on a shelf, or see a commercial for it. And all they really want to do is play some COD or Halo and berate strangers. Microsoft has that group pegged. And I thank them for it. I hope most of those people stick with XBOX, it keeps them off my network.
KuroiTori  +   495d ago
I guess I just I just imagined this then http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
:)
DivineAssault  +   495d ago
I dont see MS winning nx gen.. Not even close imo... I also think that one of the big 3 will be going down after this round..i doubt its gonna be sony so idk.. If nintendo doesnt appeal to ALL gamer types, they may fall.. They need to get more support.. If MS loses its core audience due to their lack of exclusives & casual focused marketing, they may go down.. MS has great support while Nintendo has killer exclusives.. They need to combine
Cyrax4  +   495d ago
Do you have any idea how big of a war chest Nintendo built up last generation? Unlike Sony & Microsoft, they sold every console at a profit.

That combined with the mind-numbing sales from their shovelware games means that Nintendo could completely bomb this gen and still have plenty left in the tank for another console. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest corporations on the planet, they can cross-subsidize the Xbox for decades and never feel any pain.

Make no mistake, if one company falls, it will be Sony.
CaulkSlap  +   495d ago
Imo the Wii was a calculated gamble after the failure of the Gamecube. Release ancient last gen garbage hardware with a gimmick. It fails? -they drop to $99 and live off Nintendo fanboys. It succeeds they, make billions off casual morons. Fizzled out in 4 years and they tried a repeat this gen to a lackluster reaction.

Nintendo's diabolical greed and contempt for consumers definitely left them in a good financial position. But they show no signs of being ever willing to invest in the kind of hardware and modern game design it would take to win over the general core gamer market once again.

Microsoft throws cash around but never bothered to build up much first party development. Nintendo hoards cash and releases the same cheap to make games they would have made anyways. You are right about Sony being the most at risk because THEY ACTUALLY INVESTED IN PLAYSTATION. PS4 is a do or die for Playstation, but they've set themselves up to do anything but fail.
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mayberry  +   494d ago
Supposing your statement was true, my issue is, why would you want to see that senario happen? Even if you are the most dedicated 360 'fanboy' on earth, that would mean the beginning of dumbing down of our hobby's future!
Bounkass  +   495d ago
Durango. Sounds like a cartoon character.
pody  +   495d ago
Durango the Kangaroo
Nykamari  +   495d ago
If they don't win, I hope they put up and Hell of a fight like this gen. I like Sony's console more but MSoft forced them to move in a direction that they would've never take. Sony also change MSoft too. So with that, I salute MSoft for their input this gen and hope they help shape next gen the same way. Next gen I will keep both systems and not give up like I did last gen. Hated RROD! To all gamers enjoy, I know I will.
Cyrax4  +   495d ago
Convince Sony to release Gran Tursimo 6 - their biggest franchise - on the PS3 instead of the PS4 and remove a huge reason for buying a PS4 for another 3-5 years.

Game. Set. Match.
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hobohunterz  +   495d ago
Miss out on 3-5 years of ps4 games because one game is coming out for ps3

Dumb. Florida. Moron.
mochachino  +   495d ago
MS will tout Kinect 2's "features" to both core and casuals - pay the media to make it sound like the most exciting thing in the world

then 2 months after people buy it they'll never use it because it doesn't do any of the things advertised.
josephayal  +   495d ago
They problably won't make disc anymore, also I have really high speed Internet so kinda of good for me
Rageanitus  +   495d ago
Free basic MP service like Steam or PSN.
At least come up with more and better exclusives!. I mean I can play all the multiplatform games on the PC.
Don't rush it out like at the start. I've heard countless reports that ppl bought multiple consoles because it broke. And no it was not just the RROD issues
ironmonkey  +   495d ago
I dont care about how they can win id rather see it first before saying anything. Then we can compare presentation and what got people saying wow. Plus what are the devs saying the new ms console? Same praises like the ps4?
Smeagol2033   495d ago | Trolling | show
urwifeminder  +   495d ago
Dont care about winning ill be having to much xbox fun.
lovegames718  +   495d ago
Smeagol.....

So noble they rushed faulty hardware and knew Xbox would die prematurely but didn't care Lol They cost consumers thousands and millions when their systems would die after the be one year warranty and they refused to fix them Lol so honourable it took numerous court proceedings and lawsuits to get them to admit and extend the warranty but by then damage was done Lol

Green powers.... Here's looking at u as well.

But they can give Sony a good run if they don't focus on kinect and make some bad %ss new IPS.
BuffMordecai  +   495d ago
I pity the fool who buys the next casual box.
BitbyDeath  +   495d ago
This gen they had a years headstart, much lower price point and was easier to code for.
The only way I can see would be by winning casuals over with Kinect 2 or illiuroom.
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messedupworld  +   495d ago
I'll probably end up with both systems anyway.
edonus  +   495d ago
MS is actually in a great position and despite what people may tell you Kinect is a big part of that.
Right now the core gamers including Sony fans and Jaded gamers and motion control hating gamers have created this internet bubble were they tell you kinect sucks an no one wants and it doesnt work. In the real world everything I just wrote is 100% wrong.

Next with kinect being standard all those lies and misinformation the core internet bubble (IGN i'm looking at you) people will have access to kinect and what it really does and how it really works...and being a core gamer myself steeped in all manor of games from the simplest to the most gut wrenchingly difficult frustrating games you can find, with out any reservation, I say once people get time with kinect style gaming they will really like it to love it.

MS will also need to drop some new ips, I for one am not worried about this at all. Remember this gen MS led with some of the biggest new ip franchises this gen. MAss Effect and Bio SHock are 2 of the biggest franchises and they started on the 360 in most cases years before the hit Sony so understand MS doesnt have a problem with getting the good stuff.

Not to mention each gen MS creates at least one super franchise. Xbox 1 was Halo, the 360 it was Gears, they had Mass Effect but that went multiplat.

I'm also not worried about ther services, in fact I am more interested to see what they have than Sony. Remeber they have been in development way longer than Sony, do you think they were just twiddling their thumbs while Gaikai , OnLive and Steam were shaping up. I'm sure MS has something cooking that going to change the game.
PAYNEinc85  +   495d ago
Next gen is not gonna be Kinect focused. It'll be there and lots of casuals will use it but it won't be Microsofts main focus.
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GamingWorldPeace  +   495d ago
MSFT needs to concentrate more on the things from the Xbox 1 dayz. The Xbox 1, even if it is notz as popular as the xbox 360, its exclusives can go toe to toe with the best from Sony. They need to get rid of the Kinect kiddie thingy and release like 5-6 exclusives per year before I even consider buying one. I have low expectation.
dangerousjo44  +   494d ago
really we at as if all the games shown well be on the ps4 only while n fact most well be on the next xbox aswell and sony is bring back very old ip aswell. i mean the old ip are sony and xbox n wiiu best sellers

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