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Sony confirms 4K movie service for PS4

Sony has confirmed the PS4 will feature 4K movies that could eat up as much as 100GB of space.

Speaking to The Verge, Sony Electronics President and COO Phil Molyneux indicated the PS4 will feature movies that could eat up "100 gigabytes and plus," but the company is working out ways to make such girth sustainable.

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The_Infected1377d ago

I would rather rent a stream 4K movies than download that massive 100GB size. Either way I will never have a 4K TV anyways so no need for me to worry lol

cl19831377d ago

I'd say in four or so years 4k will be standard.

JBSleek1377d ago

Lol. You think TV broadcast will adopt that in four years? On top of that ISP will as well. There is no way it will be a standard in four years. If TV hasn't adopted it or internet to support it we are looking at about ten years.

2pacalypsenow1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

I think he means it will be standard like 1080p is right now for movies (the article refers to movies not cable/satellite tv) as in 4 year 4k will be affordable

Peppino71377d ago

I like Sony future proofs their system. I wish it would be able to output 4k games in the future instead of just movies. That could be a game changer. Eventually the other systems will probably do 4k outputs as well. Does Sony have a patent on 4k console outputs? Anyone know?

NobodyImportant1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

@JBSleek

TV Broadcasts are always behind. Most services still haven't adopted Full HD and broadcasts are normally in either 720p or 1080i and at barely above DVD bitrates.
Bluray is way ahead in color, resolution. Why wouldn't it be the same for 4K?

4K discs, but TV moving up to 1080p or maybe 4K but at a lower and more compressed bitrate.

JamieReleases1377d ago

You must mean standard for movies, here in the UK 1080p isn't even possible on TV yet. Sky HD is just 1080i.

inveni01377d ago

With the current bandwidth limits being placed on most ISPs (in America), and the threat of even greater enforcement of these restrictions, this kind of service is a long ways off. ISPs are holding this stuff back. We need a better ISP, with better technology, with an interest in making their service unlimited.

My ISP has enacted a 250GB/mo bandwidth limit. It's $10 extra per 50GB over that. I already hit my cap every month. So a 4k movie would wind up costing me $20 more than just the movie itself. Plus, there's also the problem with needing the right TV and hard drive space.

There are more hurdles to this service than just the adoption rate of the 4k TV.

Godmars2901377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

Or at least affordable enough to be a consideration.

@inveni0:
Google's fiber-optics service is ever expanding.

Edit:
Holy crap on a crutch - Just found out Google's offering "free" internet!

bub161377d ago

in the UK sky HD has like 50 channels. and one 3d channel. i think it will be longer then 4 years!

3-4-51377d ago

Not 4 years.

50 inch HD screens are just NOW becomming standard in that even people with less money can afford them so they now really are in everyone's homes.

It's going to be about 10 years before 60-70% of homes have 4k.

Omni-Tool1377d ago

I use to work at a theater as a projectionist. Our digital movies were usually in 4k resolutions depending if they scope or flat formats.

Here is an article I discovered that goes over why 4k is stupid and that it is just a marketing scam for tv manufacturers.

http://reviews.cnet.com/830...

In short, 4k is just a hype. We are still going to have all the same picture issues that we have with current technology. What will really fix these issues and give a superb picture would be to subsidize OLED TVs. OLED technology fixes all of our current picture quality issues. 4k will just magnify these issues.

Now a 4k OLED TV would be beast but way to expensive for the current market.

dcbronco1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

The average person in Japan might have 4k. But in the US it took the government to make studios and networks to go to HD period. They won't get pushed into another upgrade so soon. No one on the upper management side want HD because of cost. And no one in front of the camera wanted HD because of what it would show. I knew a lot of reporters that didn't want it to happen.

But it will open another market to them. They need to add external hard drives for this though.

hazardman1377d ago

If 1080P is not standard, what makes you think 4K will be in 4-5yrs.?

cl19831377d ago

@ dcbronco
The US government didn't man date hd, they mandated digital broadcasting for open airwave stations.

shivvy241376d ago

4K Porn = Confirmed , 4-1=3 Half Life 3 = Confirmed

hkgamer1376d ago

4 years is pushing it a little...
1080p HD TV were kinda new, few years later LED TV's came out and then Smart TV's.
Too many people recently upgraded their TV's so I doubt people would be buying them so early on.

My Plasma SD TV was around £4000. 1080p HD TV was around £2000. I probably won't get a new TV until it hits around £1000 or if I know I have content that would enable me to view anything at 4k. My first HDTV was a samsung 26" 720p TV and that cost me £650, only reason I bought it was because I bought a PS3.

In the UK I think most people are comfortable buying a TV for £500, so until 4K TV's reach that price point I doubt people would be getting it.

Not saying I represent the whole of UK, but I am pretty much an earlyish adopter to technology and 4K TV's don't seem to interest me at the moment. So I'd say atleast 6 years from now and 4K will be standardish.

bunfighterii1376d ago

I agree. In 3-4 years 4K will be to 1080P TV sets what 1080P was to 720P 4 years or so ago. Most HD TV's were 720P, whereas 'Full HD' 1080P sets were considered an expensive luxury.

Sony are releasing 'affordable' 4K sets this year. That means in 3-4 years, they actually will be affordable.

snipab8t1376d ago

Aussie broadcasting TV is still 560p(supposedly HD). In four years time we'll be lucky to be broadcasting 1080p.

dcbronco1375d ago (Edited 1375d ago )

@cl1983

Actually they did mandate HD. They mandated the top 10 stations switch to HD by a certain point. Then stations down the line until they were all changed. For TVs they mandated that screens of a certain size had to have a HD tuner. And down the line until every new TV had a HD tuner. So yes, the US government mandated HD in the US.

cl19831374d ago

@dcbronco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... The demanded digital not hd, hd was just a added benefit.

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Blank1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

Right now it looks out of reach budgetwise but who knows? later down the road you might be thankful you own a ps4 aside from great games you atleast have the option of 4K movie service should you eventually get a 4K tv

inveni01377d ago

And not only that, but maybe Sony is including this for people who WILL have 4k TVs (like celebrities and other wealthy folk). This plays their hardware into the whole "keeping up with the Jones's" business. I remember when I was a teenager, and my friend's dad bought an HDTV. The thing was only about 47" and cost about $5500. WAY out of reach for my family, but his dad was wealthy, and it was super cool watching TV there. Lots of kids will have a friend with a 4k TV, and it will be often talked about within their home. Then, when the masses can afford it, they'll make the leap. It's the same as with standard HDTV.

hkgamer1376d ago

Definitely a future-proof plan. I mean there is hardly any content for 4K.

@inveni0

Agreed, although if you have a Sony 4K TV then all the streaming service would be available through the TV anyway, you won't need a PS4.
But if you don't buy a Sony TV and go for a Samsung, then I guess the only option at the time being(ish) would be to use a PS4 and stream the movies.

I've mentioned above how much I spent on my previous TV's (im not wealthy) but this time I most likely won't get a 4KTV until a looong time. However, if Sony releases a 4k OLED TV then I'd probably cave in and buy that day 1.

CaulkSlap1377d ago

Bandwidths will have to get a lot better for anyone to be streaming 4k. Generally even supposed 1080p streaming is highly compressed and awful compared to Blu-ray quality. It's more about kb/s than the resolution for stream quality.

But yeah I hope they future proof PS4 to play 100GB+ Blu-rays and output 4k. It would be nice to not have to buy a player when those TVs are available for a reasonable price.

Anon19741377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

Word is the compression they're using for 4k will be capable of streaming 4k video using bandwidth similar to current bandwidth used by HD streaming services, but I agree that often the "1080p" streamed content is often not even in the same ball park as Blu-ray quality. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Downloading a movie that takes up 100gb is out of the question as long as IP's continue to cap usage, but if streaming 4k movies is a realistic possibly, I say more power to them. If the PS4 is designed with a 10 year lifespan in mind again, it makes sense to prepare for TV tech down the road. The prices will come down, just like they did with HD, and more content will become available, just like HD. It might catch on, it might not but there's no denying that there's a market for it. I know I'm looking forward to seeing this in my home one day.

badz1491377d ago

1080p streaming inferior to Bluray?

bullocks...you're talking about the truth over here? get ready for disagrees lol as there are a group of people over here that suggest 1080p streaming is just as good as Bluray quality-wise! this was a popular claim back when the other console started to offer the 1080p movie streaming.

they are clearly in denial or just simply haven't watch a true Bluray movie on a 1080p screen or else they will see that there's no need for a magnifying glass to see how inferior current 1080p streamed movies are compared to Bluray!

rainslacker1376d ago

The kind of compression they're talking about takes special hardware to decode on the client end. Even 1080p compression takes some processing power, and it's all in software, which is why 1080 streamed content looks like crap unless you get a box with special decoders to make it look better, but even then it isn't comparable to a good blu-ray transfer. It's worth pointing out Sony did mention having specialized codecs chips in the PS4 to handle this stuff, which is actually forward thinking.

One of the biggest reasons that TV providers won't adopt it is because of the limits placed on their own internal bandwidth. They have a very limited spectrum of frequencies that they are allowed to use for the purposes of providing content. This is mandated by the government, and even if they own the lines they will be limited. No matter how much they may want to provide for this stuff, they are still limited by the technology built into the infrastructure. This goes for cable based lines and air wave lines.

I would personally like to see them get everything working right and with good quality before I want to see them working on the "next big thing" which will take a decade before it even effects more than a small part of the market. 4K TV's just won't have the same adoption rate. Reality is most people are just now getting into HDTV, so when they buy something and all of a sudden they're told it's out of date and they need to upgrade again, they'll just say screw it. Particularly true since the difference is minimal to the average person between 1080 and 4K.

Kennytaur1377d ago

Stream 4K? What's the point when it'll be compressed? 1080p is tough enough as it is for most internet connections, and that's with heavy compression too.

Old McGroin1377d ago

"Either way I will never have a 4K TV anyways so no need for me to worry lol "

Agreed, this is a non story for me seeing as I'm not a major sports star or someone with more than 20 grand to burn.

solidt121377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

Trust me you will have a 4K tv one day. We all will. When your 1080p tv breaks one day and you go to the store there won't be anything but 4k tv's because they will eventually stop making 1080p panels.

BertlSenix1377d ago

@JB Sleek

Japan is airing the Football Worldcup 2014 in 4k
Most of their stuff is going to be aired in 4k and they even already test RIGHT NOW 8k.

In Europe they will push it with Football/PayTV like they did years ago with Full HD.

In the USA Sony said will deliver a library and everything they own will be in 4k in the future.

(Full) HD Ready in the 90s(YES IT WAS ALREADY AROUND THEN) did cost the same as 4k or 8k now.
Over time the stuff will get cheaper.
I know a lot of you Xbox/CoD/Halo Heroes weren't even alive at that time but it will happen.

nukeitall1376d ago

@Kratos_Kills:

So you will be one of 10 people to actually have a 4K TV. Those are ridiculously expensive, and the leap in quality isn't enough for people to really jump the gun and buy one.

The leap from Standard Defintion to HD, was like VHS to DVD. The leap from DVD to Blu-ray is like going from HD to 4k i.e. nobody really cares. Heck, even HD isn't really fully adopted yet.

So let's just get qualty 1080p content, which we don't really have on broadcast and barely if anything on streaming sites. That is with the kind of HD adoption we already have, imagine a format that is going to grow very slowly.

rainslacker1376d ago

I don't know if DVD to Blu-Ray is a good analogy. Blu-Ray adoption rate is actually much higher than DVD ever was in the same time frame. This is also in the face of DD becoming much more accepted and commonplace. Also while the difference isn't as drastic as VHS to DVD, there is definitely a notable difference for the most part, although upscaled DVD's have taken some of that thunder.

You are right though, the leap in quality is not something most people would notice. I've seen the difference, and I have a hard time really seeing a benefit to it.

On top of that HDTV doesn't even have a 50% adoption rate in the US, despite being the only kind of TV you can really buy now. Older TV's were built to last, and I'd imagine a lot of people have what's good enough for them.

There will definitely be 4K support in the form of Blu-Ray, and some TV channels, but a majority of TV channels are still broadcast in 420p. The rest are 720i/p, and 1080 is usually reserved for premium packages on cable providers or for special airings of special events, particularly sports.

Psn8001376d ago

If you wait 4k will comedown in price because Sony have actually been producing 8k tv's but we won't see them for at least 7years .

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TheLyonKing1377d ago

Be good if I could afford a 4K T.V

bumnut1377d ago

Agreed, I don't care what PS4 is capable of, PS5 will be out by the time I can afford a 4K TV!

Gamesgbkiller1377d ago

They think ahead for the future
You never know when you use it

GribbleGrunger1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

Yes, this is a future proofing feature rather than a realistic bullet point for launch.

NBT911377d ago

Yeah that's one thing I do like about Sony's consoles, even the fact PS3 had Wi fi built in, I didn't use it when I first got my ps3 and was using Ethernet but now I have it I wander how we lived without it and am grateful for it being there in my ps3.
It's neat that they plan ahead for things and are continuing to do so.

MasterCornholio1377d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but the PS4 will be the first device on the market to deliver 4k movies.

That does sound pretty good especially for those who will own 4k TVs.

Also I'm happy that Sony was honest this time with the resolution instead of making claims that the PS4 could play 4k games.

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WildArmed1377d ago

Looks like it. It'd be interesting to see what publishers jump on.

The jump from DVD to Bluray was pretty rough -- going to 480i to 1080p.
I wonder how going from 1080p to 4k is going to go for the movie industry

DeadIIIRed1377d ago

I think Sony actually releases a server unit for streaming 4k films and up-scaling others for their 4k TV.

PS4 would probably be the first mass produced device to do so though.

g-nome1377d ago

No thanks , I struggle to download a gig.

clintagious6501377d ago

Lol wat u using AOL Dialup? haha

JBSleek1377d ago

You laugh but this is the reality of the internet infrastructure. In some countries like US it is completely a joke as a whole and over-priced. Until we have an internet breakthrough or the government gets involved(which I oppose). The reality is that streaming, downloading and such isn't the forefront of the present.

GribbleGrunger1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

Capping is becoming a real issue here in the UK. I currently roll with Virginmedia at 10mb (supposed to have gone up to 20mb) and I'm capped all day long by 75% because I exceed the download limit. So I'm paying £24 for 1.73mb. I'm not going to suggest that Sony's strategy isn't going to work just because the UK will struggle to cope, I'm just pointing out that this is the problem a lot of people face.

Even if the new compression techniques that are being developed by Sony at the moment can enable Gaikai to run efficiently at 2mb, you can see quite clearly that I'm going to get the occasional problem because I fall below that baseline. Hopefully when I get 20gb that will be more manageable.

I'm not at all against Sony offering this service though. I'm really just annoyed at the network providers for their lack of foresight. By now NO internet provider should be able to cap any more than 50%, or even at ALL IMO.

Oh_Yeah1377d ago (Edited 1377d ago )

@JBSLEEK and others in the U.S. is comcast in your areas? 30-40$ a month for 20 mbps downloads and no data cap isn't a bad deal. And if you qualify for low income they have a plan for 10$.

bumnut1377d ago

@GribbleGrunger

You're getting shafted mate, VM don't even do 10MB anymore. The minimum you can get now is 30MB, they will happily leave you on 10MB until you call them and complain.

The download caps are a lot higher on 30MB too.

cleverusername1377d ago

What planet do u live on? Here on earth not everywhere has fibre optic yet!!

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