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Sony confirms 4K movie service for PS4

Sony has confirmed the PS4 will feature 4K movies that could eat up as much as 100GB of space.

Speaking to The Verge, Sony Electronics President and COO Phil Molyneux indicated the PS4 will feature movies that could eat up "100 gigabytes and plus," but the company is working out ways to make such girth sustainable. (Industry, PS4, Sony)

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The_Infected  +   580d ago
I would rather rent a stream 4K movies than download that massive 100GB size. Either way I will never have a 4K TV anyways so no need for me to worry lol
cl1983  +   580d ago
I'd say in four or so years 4k will be standard.
JBSleek  +   580d ago
Lol. You think TV broadcast will adopt that in four years? On top of that ISP will as well. There is no way it will be a standard in four years. If TV hasn't adopted it or internet to support it we are looking at about ten years.
2pacalypsenow  +   580d ago
I think he means it will be standard like 1080p is right now for movies (the article refers to movies not cable/satellite tv) as in 4 year 4k will be affordable
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Peppino7  +   580d ago
I like Sony future proofs their system. I wish it would be able to output 4k games in the future instead of just movies. That could be a game changer. Eventually the other systems will probably do 4k outputs as well. Does Sony have a patent on 4k console outputs? Anyone know?
NobodyImportant  +   580d ago
@JBSleek

TV Broadcasts are always behind. Most services still haven't adopted Full HD and broadcasts are normally in either 720p or 1080i and at barely above DVD bitrates.
Bluray is way ahead in color, resolution. Why wouldn't it be the same for 4K?

4K discs, but TV moving up to 1080p or maybe 4K but at a lower and more compressed bitrate.
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JamieSI  +   580d ago
You must mean standard for movies, here in the UK 1080p isn't even possible on TV yet. Sky HD is just 1080i.
inveni0  +   580d ago
With the current bandwidth limits being placed on most ISPs (in America), and the threat of even greater enforcement of these restrictions, this kind of service is a long ways off. ISPs are holding this stuff back. We need a better ISP, with better technology, with an interest in making their service unlimited.

My ISP has enacted a 250GB/mo bandwidth limit. It's $10 extra per 50GB over that. I already hit my cap every month. So a 4k movie would wind up costing me $20 more than just the movie itself. Plus, there's also the problem with needing the right TV and hard drive space.

There are more hurdles to this service than just the adoption rate of the 4k TV.
Godmars290  +   579d ago
Or at least affordable enough to be a consideration.

@inveni0:
Google's fiber-optics service is ever expanding.

Edit:
Holy crap on a crutch - Just found out Google's offering "free" internet!
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bub16  +   579d ago
in the UK sky HD has like 50 channels. and one 3d channel. i think it will be longer then 4 years!
3-4-5  +   579d ago
Not 4 years.

50 inch HD screens are just NOW becomming standard in that even people with less money can afford them so they now really are in everyone's homes.

It's going to be about 10 years before 60-70% of homes have 4k.
Omni-Tool  +   579d ago
I use to work at a theater as a projectionist. Our digital movies were usually in 4k resolutions depending if they scope or flat formats.

Here is an article I discovered that goes over why 4k is stupid and that it is just a marketing scam for tv manufacturers.

http://reviews.cnet.com/830...

In short, 4k is just a hype. We are still going to have all the same picture issues that we have with current technology. What will really fix these issues and give a superb picture would be to subsidize OLED TVs. OLED technology fixes all of our current picture quality issues. 4k will just magnify these issues.

Now a 4k OLED TV would be beast but way to expensive for the current market.
dcbronco  +   579d ago
The average person in Japan might have 4k. But in the US it took the government to make studios and networks to go to HD period. They won't get pushed into another upgrade so soon. No one on the upper management side want HD because of cost. And no one in front of the camera wanted HD because of what it would show. I knew a lot of reporters that didn't want it to happen.

But it will open another market to them. They need to add external hard drives for this though.
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hazardman  +   579d ago
If 1080P is not standard, what makes you think 4K will be in 4-5yrs.?
cl1983  +   579d ago
@ dcbronco
The US government didn't man date hd, they mandated digital broadcasting for open airwave stations.
shivvy24  +   579d ago
4K Porn = Confirmed , 4-1=3 Half Life 3 = Confirmed
hkgamer  +   579d ago
4 years is pushing it a little...
1080p HD TV were kinda new, few years later LED TV's came out and then Smart TV's.
Too many people recently upgraded their TV's so I doubt people would be buying them so early on.

My Plasma SD TV was around £4000. 1080p HD TV was around £2000. I probably won't get a new TV until it hits around £1000 or if I know I have content that would enable me to view anything at 4k. My first HDTV was a samsung 26" 720p TV and that cost me £650, only reason I bought it was because I bought a PS3.

In the UK I think most people are comfortable buying a TV for £500, so until 4K TV's reach that price point I doubt people would be getting it.

Not saying I represent the whole of UK, but I am pretty much an earlyish adopter to technology and 4K TV's don't seem to interest me at the moment. So I'd say atleast 6 years from now and 4K will be standardish.
bunfighterii  +   579d ago
I agree. In 3-4 years 4K will be to 1080P TV sets what 1080P was to 720P 4 years or so ago. Most HD TV's were 720P, whereas 'Full HD' 1080P sets were considered an expensive luxury.

Sony are releasing 'affordable' 4K sets this year. That means in 3-4 years, they actually will be affordable.
snipab8t  +   579d ago
Aussie broadcasting TV is still 560p(supposedly HD). In four years time we'll be lucky to be broadcasting 1080p.
dcbronco  +   577d ago
@cl1983

Actually they did mandate HD. They mandated the top 10 stations switch to HD by a certain point. Then stations down the line until they were all changed. For TVs they mandated that screens of a certain size had to have a HD tuner. And down the line until every new TV had a HD tuner. So yes, the US government mandated HD in the US.
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cl1983  +   577d ago
@dcbronco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... The demanded digital not hd, hd was just a added benefit.
Blank  +   580d ago
Right now it looks out of reach budgetwise but who knows? later down the road you might be thankful you own a ps4 aside from great games you atleast have the option of 4K movie service should you eventually get a 4K tv
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inveni0  +   579d ago
And not only that, but maybe Sony is including this for people who WILL have 4k TVs (like celebrities and other wealthy folk). This plays their hardware into the whole "keeping up with the Jones's" business. I remember when I was a teenager, and my friend's dad bought an HDTV. The thing was only about 47" and cost about $5500. WAY out of reach for my family, but his dad was wealthy, and it was super cool watching TV there. Lots of kids will have a friend with a 4k TV, and it will be often talked about within their home. Then, when the masses can afford it, they'll make the leap. It's the same as with standard HDTV.
hkgamer  +   579d ago
Definitely a future-proof plan. I mean there is hardly any content for 4K.

@inveni0

Agreed, although if you have a Sony 4K TV then all the streaming service would be available through the TV anyway, you won't need a PS4.
But if you don't buy a Sony TV and go for a Samsung, then I guess the only option at the time being(ish) would be to use a PS4 and stream the movies.

I've mentioned above how much I spent on my previous TV's (im not wealthy) but this time I most likely won't get a 4KTV until a looong time. However, if Sony releases a 4k OLED TV then I'd probably cave in and buy that day 1.
CaulkSlap  +   580d ago
Bandwidths will have to get a lot better for anyone to be streaming 4k. Generally even supposed 1080p streaming is highly compressed and awful compared to Blu-ray quality. It's more about kb/s than the resolution for stream quality.

But yeah I hope they future proof PS4 to play 100GB+ Blu-rays and output 4k. It would be nice to not have to buy a player when those TVs are available for a reasonable price.
darkride66  +   580d ago
Word is the compression they're using for 4k will be capable of streaming 4k video using bandwidth similar to current bandwidth used by HD streaming services, but I agree that often the "1080p" streamed content is often not even in the same ball park as Blu-ray quality. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Downloading a movie that takes up 100gb is out of the question as long as IP's continue to cap usage, but if streaming 4k movies is a realistic possibly, I say more power to them. If the PS4 is designed with a 10 year lifespan in mind again, it makes sense to prepare for TV tech down the road. The prices will come down, just like they did with HD, and more content will become available, just like HD. It might catch on, it might not but there's no denying that there's a market for it. I know I'm looking forward to seeing this in my home one day.
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badz149  +   579d ago
shhh...
1080p streaming inferior to Bluray?

bullocks...you're talking about the truth over here? get ready for disagrees lol as there are a group of people over here that suggest 1080p streaming is just as good as Bluray quality-wise! this was a popular claim back when the other console started to offer the 1080p movie streaming.

they are clearly in denial or just simply haven't watch a true Bluray movie on a 1080p screen or else they will see that there's no need for a magnifying glass to see how inferior current 1080p streamed movies are compared to Bluray!
rainslacker  +   579d ago
The kind of compression they're talking about takes special hardware to decode on the client end. Even 1080p compression takes some processing power, and it's all in software, which is why 1080 streamed content looks like crap unless you get a box with special decoders to make it look better, but even then it isn't comparable to a good blu-ray transfer. It's worth pointing out Sony did mention having specialized codecs chips in the PS4 to handle this stuff, which is actually forward thinking.

One of the biggest reasons that TV providers won't adopt it is because of the limits placed on their own internal bandwidth. They have a very limited spectrum of frequencies that they are allowed to use for the purposes of providing content. This is mandated by the government, and even if they own the lines they will be limited. No matter how much they may want to provide for this stuff, they are still limited by the technology built into the infrastructure. This goes for cable based lines and air wave lines.

I would personally like to see them get everything working right and with good quality before I want to see them working on the "next big thing" which will take a decade before it even effects more than a small part of the market. 4K TV's just won't have the same adoption rate. Reality is most people are just now getting into HDTV, so when they buy something and all of a sudden they're told it's out of date and they need to upgrade again, they'll just say screw it. Particularly true since the difference is minimal to the average person between 1080 and 4K.
Kennytaur  +   580d ago
Stream 4K? What's the point when it'll be compressed? 1080p is tough enough as it is for most internet connections, and that's with heavy compression too.
Old McGroin  +   580d ago
"Either way I will never have a 4K TV anyways so no need for me to worry lol "

Agreed, this is a non story for me seeing as I'm not a major sports star or someone with more than 20 grand to burn.
solidt12  +   579d ago
Trust me you will have a 4K tv one day. We all will. When your 1080p tv breaks one day and you go to the store there won't be anything but 4k tv's because they will eventually stop making 1080p panels.
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BertlSenix  +   579d ago
@JB Sleek

Japan is airing the Football Worldcup 2014 in 4k
Most of their stuff is going to be aired in 4k and they even already test RIGHT NOW 8k.

In Europe they will push it with Football/PayTV like they did years ago with Full HD.

In the USA Sony said will deliver a library and everything they own will be in 4k in the future.

(Full) HD Ready in the 90s(YES IT WAS ALREADY AROUND THEN) did cost the same as 4k or 8k now.
Over time the stuff will get cheaper.
I know a lot of you Xbox/CoD/Halo Heroes weren't even alive at that time but it will happen.
nukeitall  +   579d ago
@Kratos_Kills:

So you will be one of 10 people to actually have a 4K TV. Those are ridiculously expensive, and the leap in quality isn't enough for people to really jump the gun and buy one.

The leap from Standard Defintion to HD, was like VHS to DVD. The leap from DVD to Blu-ray is like going from HD to 4k i.e. nobody really cares. Heck, even HD isn't really fully adopted yet.

So let's just get qualty 1080p content, which we don't really have on broadcast and barely if anything on streaming sites. That is with the kind of HD adoption we already have, imagine a format that is going to grow very slowly.
rainslacker  +   579d ago
I don't know if DVD to Blu-Ray is a good analogy. Blu-Ray adoption rate is actually much higher than DVD ever was in the same time frame. This is also in the face of DD becoming much more accepted and commonplace. Also while the difference isn't as drastic as VHS to DVD, there is definitely a notable difference for the most part, although upscaled DVD's have taken some of that thunder.

You are right though, the leap in quality is not something most people would notice. I've seen the difference, and I have a hard time really seeing a benefit to it.

On top of that HDTV doesn't even have a 50% adoption rate in the US, despite being the only kind of TV you can really buy now. Older TV's were built to last, and I'd imagine a lot of people have what's good enough for them.

There will definitely be 4K support in the form of Blu-Ray, and some TV channels, but a majority of TV channels are still broadcast in 420p. The rest are 720i/p, and 1080 is usually reserved for premium packages on cable providers or for special airings of special events, particularly sports.
Psn800  +   579d ago
If you wait 4k will comedown in price because Sony have actually been producing 8k tv's but we won't see them for at least 7years .
TheLyonKing  +   580d ago
Be good if I could afford a 4K T.V
bumnut  +   579d ago
Agreed, I don't care what PS4 is capable of, PS5 will be out by the time I can afford a 4K TV!
Gamesgbkiller  +   580d ago
They think ahead for the future
You never know when you use it
GribbleGrunger  +   580d ago
Yes, this is a future proofing feature rather than a realistic bullet point for launch.
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NBT91  +   579d ago
Yeah that's one thing I do like about Sony's consoles, even the fact PS3 had Wi fi built in, I didn't use it when I first got my ps3 and was using Ethernet but now I have it I wander how we lived without it and am grateful for it being there in my ps3.
It's neat that they plan ahead for things and are continuing to do so.
MasterCornholio  +   580d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but the PS4 will be the first device on the market to deliver 4k movies.

That does sound pretty good especially for those who will own 4k TVs.

Also I'm happy that Sony was honest this time with the resolution instead of making claims that the PS4 could play 4k games.

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WildArmed  +   580d ago
Looks like it. It'd be interesting to see what publishers jump on.

The jump from DVD to Bluray was pretty rough -- going to 480i to 1080p.
I wonder how going from 1080p to 4k is going to go for the movie industry
DeadIIIRed  +   579d ago
I think Sony actually releases a server unit for streaming 4k films and up-scaling others for their 4k TV.

PS4 would probably be the first mass produced device to do so though.
g-nome  +   580d ago
No thanks , I struggle to download a gig.
clintagious650  +   580d ago
Lol wat u using AOL Dialup? haha
JBSleek  +   580d ago
You laugh but this is the reality of the internet infrastructure. In some countries like US it is completely a joke as a whole and over-priced. Until we have an internet breakthrough or the government gets involved(which I oppose). The reality is that streaming, downloading and such isn't the forefront of the present.
GribbleGrunger  +   580d ago
Capping is becoming a real issue here in the UK. I currently roll with Virginmedia at 10mb (supposed to have gone up to 20mb) and I'm capped all day long by 75% because I exceed the download limit. So I'm paying £24 for 1.73mb. I'm not going to suggest that Sony's strategy isn't going to work just because the UK will struggle to cope, I'm just pointing out that this is the problem a lot of people face.

Even if the new compression techniques that are being developed by Sony at the moment can enable Gaikai to run efficiently at 2mb, you can see quite clearly that I'm going to get the occasional problem because I fall below that baseline. Hopefully when I get 20gb that will be more manageable.

I'm not at all against Sony offering this service though. I'm really just annoyed at the network providers for their lack of foresight. By now NO internet provider should be able to cap any more than 50%, or even at ALL IMO.
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Oh_Yeah  +   579d ago
@JBSLEEK and others in the U.S. is comcast in your areas? 30-40$ a month for 20 mbps downloads and no data cap isn't a bad deal. And if you qualify for low income they have a plan for 10$.
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bumnut  +   579d ago
@GribbleGrunger

You're getting shafted mate, VM don't even do 10MB anymore. The minimum you can get now is 30MB, they will happily leave you on 10MB until you call them and complain.

The download caps are a lot higher on 30MB too.
cleverusername  +   579d ago
What planet do u live on? Here on earth not everywhere has fibre optic yet!!
Cherchez La Ghost  +   580d ago
I saw a Sony 4K UHDTV at Best Buy. Made 1080p look like a DVD! LoL!!! Picture looks unreal beautiful!

This is good, but....

-4K UHDTV's cost between 15K to 25K (as of now today).
-Content must be filmed or streamed in 4K in order to get the full effect of 4K.
-Cable providers haven't even gone 1080p yet...!

The only thing I know is coming in 4K soon is The Hobit. I give 4K around 6-7 years.
clintagious650  +   580d ago
Yeah I dont think u will see those prices be affordable until 5+ years but for those who can afford, lucky bastards lol.
solidt12  +   579d ago
Cable companies have to lay down alot of fiber in order for us to be able to get TV and Network that can support 4k. Or they will have to go over the Air Cell companies are doing. The world first 4k cable station was announced at CES this year and it will be over Satellite in Japan.
TheKayle  +   580d ago
yeah for 10 persons around the world....wow sony u so smart

ps- how many contents ...ppl think there r in 4k lol...already sky3d (the 3dchannel on my sky hd - stp) have nothing of special....

this is just a crapt thing ......ahead pls

http://tech2.in.com/opinion...

http://reviews.cnet.com/830...

http://reviews.cnet.com/830...

http://dot-color.com/2012/1...

http://wordsbynowak.com/201...

http://www.nbr.co.nz/articl...

etc etc etc.there r millions....no one and im sayign no one if not sony is pushing for 4k...and without contect 4k have no 1 meter ahead of his road

just use that damn google istead of nag sometime

- a tecnhology progress can stand at this name when it can be used by everyone or at least by the most....
15k tv...isnt a technoly progress.........is just a technology innovation....we will talk about it in 4 or 5 years ...i think this will become..good in 2016
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GamersRulz  +   580d ago
I quote you:

"yeah for 10 persons around the world....wow sony u so smart "

Sony introduced BD in 2006, it wasn't mainstream at the time but look at it now, That's called "future proofing", its also called " pushing the industry forward" also it's called " innovating and taking risks"

Thank God you don't run a company like Sony, we would still listening to raidios as a main form of entertainment.
Thepcz  +   579d ago
it was also a gamble.

i remember the time when it was bluray vs hd dvd

i remember the day news broke that bluray won

just because 4k advanced tech, doesnt mean it will become the standard
fabod86  +   580d ago
So? Are they stealing you something? Are they forcing you to use that feature? NO!
But don't worry... we know who you are sir. ;)
BlmThug  +   579d ago
Better to have it now with it not being popular than not having it later on down the road when it's really booming :)
jacksheen0000  +   580d ago
Company similar to Sony will find a way to release a cheaper version of 4k tv's and make it affordable to the public.

How about FHOOR K (Plays & sounds like the real thing)
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cleverusername  +   580d ago
By the time 4k TVs are affordable the PS5 will be out!
abzdine  +   580d ago
PS4 future-ready. Nice to know!
NobodyImportant  +   580d ago
So does this mean I need to upgrade my HDMI 1.4a Home Cinema Amp to an HDMI 2.0 pass-through to be able to handle 4K resolutions?

EDIT: gonna be an expensive few years!
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OpenGL  +   579d ago
HDMI 1.4a is supposed to support 3840x2160 at 24 and 30Hz, and 4096x2160 at 24Hz but unfortunately not all parts of the HDMI spec are required, so you might need a new receiver.
CraigandDayDay  +   579d ago
My Yamaha YHT-497 supports 4k pass through so I'm good.
TheKayle  +   580d ago
lol at the disagree.....for what?!?!??

saying the 4k streaming on a console that is going out this year...is useless?!!?!?!?

(this isnt a fanboy talk....coz everyone know that every pcs,ps4,x720 can stream at 4k)

or is just that sony wanna sell 1500 console more to the users that bought a 4k tv ? but still where r the contents?

@nobodyimportant

no u dont need to upgrade nothing...this is just a bullshit as it was the 2teraflop Cell processor of the ps3..while the NEW monster ps4 peak is 1.8 teraflop (that with that architecture max ill get 1.6)
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MariaHelFutura  +   580d ago
Useless to you.
Old McGroin  +   580d ago
"Useless to you."

Unless you have a 4K ready TV and incredibly fast broadband then it is useless to you, me and pretty much 99% of all people who intend on buying the PS4 this year. His point is that it is useless right now and will be for the foreseeable future and he's right.
MariaHelFutura  +   579d ago
Just because something is needed, doesn't mean it's useless.
Old McGroin  +   579d ago
"Just because something is needed, doesn't mean it's useless."

If what is needed is not available then yes, it is completely useless.
fabod86  +   580d ago
1.8 teraflop is just the GPU... dumbass!
Next time check facts before spread your bs ;)
CyrusLemont  +   580d ago
I wonder, if they can use the same compression techniques as Apple for 1080p, they could squeeze 4K under 50GB and still keep a near identical image.
cedaridge  +   580d ago
4K plasma sound sweet to go with a ps4.
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Kennytaur  +   580d ago
This is promising for 100GB multi-layer Blu-ray discs.
EverydayGuy  +   580d ago
Hopefully they come out with 4k monitor.
Hassassin  +   579d ago
THIS.
but they haven't because they cant transmit more than 30HZ
sway_z  +   580d ago
PlayStation being my main choice of console (have 360 also), I can see this 4k thing as merely a marketing tool i.e 'Our console does this' ...of course it is completely unnecessary

...but nice to be able to say ...'yeah it's capable of that'.
DigitalSmoke  +   580d ago
Once you go over 50 inch 4K will be very handy.
also for Beamers cause that stretches the pizels out to be visible.
level 360  +   580d ago
Let's hope prices of both 4K and OLED screens would become affordable very quickly once they come out in stores.

3D would also be integrated as standard feature on all 4K Blu Ray players and PS4 console.
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DiRtY  +   580d ago
meanwhile in the real world, the DVD outsells the BluRay.

http://www.homemediamagazin...

seriously, 4k is a gen too early. Maybe in 2018 this will get big, but even then it still has to prove itself to be more sustainable than the big 3D push we saw in 2010 and 2011, which totally flopped in the long run.
NastyLeftHook0  +   580d ago
you may want to keep your 360 and dvd then because this is new tech and we sony fans want new games bluray and advanced things. and bluray destroyed hddvd.
DiRtY  +   580d ago
ehm, what has Sony and MS to do with this? The next Xbox will probably have the same capabilities like the PS4 anyway (more or less).

I am just saying that the DVD is still more popular than BluRay in the US - one of the most technically advanced markets in the world. So even BluRay still has a long way to go.

And you Sony fans, like you called yourself, can't afford it anyways, so stop making a big deal out of this. People here are arguing about the PS4 price and hoping for a $449 price tag istead of a $499 tag (or $349 vs $399 if that makes you feel better) but you are totally convinced that a feature that requires a $20,000 investment offers great value for you.
C0MPUT3R  +   580d ago
I could see a PS4 4K version coming out mid gen with a BDXL drive in it so you could physically buy 4k movies.
Braid  +   580d ago
It's great technology but it has some downsides, mainly the price of 4K TVs. Even if we assume that the prices will go down in some years I don't think many of us can devote a full wall for a gigantic 4K TV in our houses, I mean unless you're living in a chateau you'd have difficulty finding such a big space for a huge panel TV. And even if standard sized TVs have 4K support in the future we couldn't spot so much difference than 1080p-res movies as 4K is meant for big screens. Still a good addition for who can afford it, though.
josephayal  +   580d ago
PS4 is the future
givemeshelter  +   579d ago
Hope you have a 60"+ HDTV 4K Res display the minimum for this as anything smaller you wont know the difference then 1080p...unless you sit two feet away from said set...

http://www.zdnet.com/the-re...

http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
KrisButtar  +   579d ago
i welcome 4K, i already get 1080p for all my channels on satellite, its funny though as i cant get internet services where i live, its kinda backwards looking at the comments.
momthemeatloaf  +   579d ago
No one is ready for 4k yet Sony.
itz_zombies  +   579d ago
Thay're just future proofing.
Veni Vidi Vici  +   579d ago
Let me know when ISP's in the U.S. start giving people unlimited data caps and decent speeds like the rest of the 1st world countries. The only way it'll happen is if Google fiber moves into your neighborhood. Good luck.
OpenGL  +   579d ago
With current codecs dual layer Blu-rays can already hold movies that are 1080p 3D, as in 1920x2160 so with newer codecs like H.265 4K movies fitting on dual layer Blu-rays is not a huge stretch as the compression ratio is much better.

Sony is out of their damn mind if they think people are going to be able to/want to stream/download 100GB movies.
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ajax17  +   579d ago
hopefully the PS4 will use be able to read BDXL discs.
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