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BioShock Infinite's Religious Themes Led Dev To Consider Quitting

One Irrational Games developer was so offended by the religious themes of a certain scene in BioShock Infinite that he sought to quit the company immediately after completing his playthrough of the level.

"There was a scene in the game at the end where there's a gentleman here--one of our artists--who got to a point in the game, played it, turned off BioShock, opened up his computer, opened Microsoft Word, and wrote a resignation letter; it had offended him so much," Levine told GameSpot in a new video interview. (BioShock: Infinite, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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dboyc310  +   566d ago
Honestly the whole religious themes around this game is what intrigues me the most. I'm curious to see how everything ties up and fits together. The song bird, the lamb, the city itself etc. Can't wait for the end of march to come around.
likeaboss302  +   566d ago
I'm guessing he closed Word after he remembered "it's just a game".
venomcarnage89  +   566d ago | Funny
I guess you can call him..
An "irrational" game developer then :P
ANIALATOR136  +   566d ago
YEEEEEAAAH! lol sorry couldn't resist
Mounce  +   566d ago
Religion and Irrational come hand in hand my friend.

I mean, Levine did say he was a VERY RELIGIOUS person....one could only assume you could have an in-game character say "I don't believe in Christ" and this guy would be like.... FUCK THIS STUDIO, I'M OFFENDED!...

I just get the picture that, easily, the person is overreacting to hell, being that it's just a game, in-game concepts and in-game opinions shouldn't offend someones faith....

Only times you take insult of your faith of something that discredits or speaks of its authenticity and it offending someone is if they're generally forcing it to themselves to believe it with every ounce of their body and to think that their judgment and decision is wrong just entirely makes them go into a shock and fear, just like say how fanboys can act to wanting to raise their ego in assumption that their Console purchase was THE BEST choice and if you try to make it seem that another is better, they get all hotheaded. The other time you can see someone gets offended of course if religion is in question is if they just honestly fucking are irrational to that degree that they can't handle their religion being questioned, I'd think if you have FAITH, you have belief, if you have belief, you should have confidence IN THAT. If you lack confidence to simply believe it and move on in life and you have to reveal insecurities, I'd like to question what kind of life they're living if they get worked up so much over so little, and this person can't simply have faith and be confident with his decision in which anothers opinion shouldn't waiver his ideal perception of his faith.
Conzul   566d ago | Offensive
glennco  +   565d ago
@Mounce - It is called cognitive dissonance.
Mounce  +   565d ago
@glennco - Indeed. I know. I've taken enough sociology, human relations and psyche classes in College to grasp that enough.

I just personally dislike that side of humanity and I find myself using it for the advantage of thinking outside the box or being more open-minded rather than a tunnel-vision type of ignorance that we see in most cases especially within media.

NoooOoo! I want to view life either Black or White! If someone tries to put some black in my white to make it grey! I MUST SCREAM!

I must scream but I have no mouth.
Septic  +   565d ago
@Mounce

"Religion and Irrational come hand in hand my friend. "

Sorry but yours is a sweeping statement. Today's atheistic attidudes could go hand in hand with irrationality as well.

Regarding your point on this so-called desire/inability to wander out of these black and white zones for religious people is an indication of your lack of understanding of religion.

"I just personally dislike that side of humanity and I find myself using it for the advantage of thinking outside the box or being more open-minded rather than a tunnel-vision type of ignorance"

Yoy may be surprised by just how close minded you may be. Certainly your comment is indicative of the common superiorty complex that operates in atheists, of which I assume you are one?
SilentNegotiator  +   565d ago
I finally meet someone else that has read "I must scream but I have no mouth" (actually, "I have no mouth and I must scream") and they're a raging bigot.

You must be right; there is no God.
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BlackTar187  +   566d ago
religion is turning into a joke. i believe in god but this sensitivity towards anything in regards to religion good or bad is turning into a joke and is doing too much damage.
SAE  +   565d ago
Can't wait for release date >.< . I'm really excited for this game. Loved the first game and dishonored so i hope it's at least as good as them ..

Edit : Sorry, I didn't understand what you said at first. Some religions doesn't tell anyone to act like that. So sometimes some people over react and do something in the name of the religion but it's not what the religion want them to do. These people called racists. So i agree with you. but you have to consider the one that offended the religion and stop them somehow ..
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KwietStorm  +   565d ago
Separate the people from the religion.
SAE  +   565d ago
@zen_hydra
It's your thinking that start these things that you guys call it jokes. You hate religion people for believing on something and you want everyone to act like you. You also misunderstood the racists from the religious people. You have to open your mind and accept others believes. All of us should respect others thoughts and that will lead to no fight or anything like that.
Cyrax4  +   566d ago
This game seems like a 180 from the original BioShock.

Rapture was an atheistic society with libertarian principles.

Columbia seems to be a religious society with more of a nationalist or 'patriotic' feel.
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cyguration  +   566d ago
I guess one was like Ayn Rand while the other is more like Benedictus De Spinoza.
Conzul  +   566d ago
It's still Bioshock. It's about political and social (and now religious) extremes.

I can't wait.
turgore  +   565d ago
Rapture was basically Ayn Rand, Columbia is basically the TEA party.
Cyrax4  +   566d ago
Come to think of it, I can't recall any recent mainstream video games that feature a religious main character.

Connor (AC3) - is an atheist (the preacher mentions how religion isn't for him)

Altair (AC1) - mentions in writings that Ezio later finds that he doesn't believe in a god

Niko (GTA4) - mentions that he doesn't believe in religion

John Marston (Red Dead) - mentions that he doesn't believe in a god

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
RankFTW  +   566d ago
Kratos and Dante might believe in a god.
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zen_hydra  +   565d ago
Kratos is clearly a nihilist.
rdgneoz3  +   565d ago
Believing in them and wanting to kill them are two different things...
Qrphe  +   565d ago
@zen

It's not a belief anymore if they do in fact exist within their universes.
KwietStorm  +   565d ago
Castlevania Lords of Shadow - Gabriel Belmont

One of the main themes in the whole story is faith and the ffight between the light and the dark. Gabriel is right in the middle of it. And not to mention who the final boss is.
Unknown_Soldier  +   565d ago
I hate it when an awesome character (in anything) goes all religious. It's like they become less interesting or something.
sobekflakmonkey  +   565d ago
I find, that in this particular game, it's more interesting, because usually it's all preachy and shitty, but from what I just watched there's a lot more to it, the character sounds deep and dark, and the mystery surrounding him, his faith and now the ending, really make me want to play the game.
Psychotica  +   566d ago
All that and they don't tell us what the scene did to make it offensive?
Ken says is a major spoiler so there ya go.
Sketchy_Galore  +   566d ago
Good. Nothing against this guy y'understand but offending traditionalist institutions is usually the sign of something interesting and thought provoking. I was worried they were going to tone down the racial and religious commentary we've seen in early previews to ensure the game sells better.

Also, I don't want to start some flame war but its interesting that the weapons and the brutal killings didn't seem to much bother the guy.
Even after all that Ken still didnt sensor the part that was offensive to him. That guy didn't end up quitting either.
DigitalRaptor  +   566d ago
This game is dangerously creative. oh man, gonna be the best game of next year based on narrative experience and juicy and highly thought provoking plot twists alone.
Lykon  +   565d ago
The catholic church is falling apart from within. If we see organised religion as the anti christ (they tend to keep true spirituality at arms length) then maybe we are really living in interesting times where the older simpler spiritual messages will shine through . Of course an egoic system under attack or threat will go 'WAAAHHH WAAHHH WAAHHH ' like a needy baby. and attack anything that it feels threatened by. interesting video games are also a part of this process. It's nice that a few games that have a spiritual component are shining through all the fear based gun play games .. games like journey.. flower ... okami hd... the last gaurdian. potentially video games can express and explore anything !
Kran  +   565d ago
This is why I love being Agnostic.

a) you can see the ridiculous situations religion creates
b) you got nothing to be offended about
aLucidMind  +   565d ago
That's not exclusive to being agnostic; I know some hardcore religious people who are exactly as you are (in terms of their mindset. They love stories that have dark spins on their own religion and directly challenge them. There are plenty of rational and logical religious people, it's just the egocentric retards often bring more attention and give the religious as a whole a bad name.
Kran  +   565d ago
But those who are religious may still feel something when their religion is attacked.
aLucidMind  +   565d ago
@Kran.
Those who feel their beliefs are being attacked when there is no attack (like dark spins on the religion's history in a fictional story as an example), then they have no right to be offended by the product. Simply put, they offended themselves and blamed it on the product instead of their own stupidity.

When it IS being attacked, that is when those offended religious people may have a point. Like if someone blatantly attacked Christianity due to slavery being advocated in the bible and equated modern Christians to slavers. I may be an atheist, but I'll stand right by the offended person in that scenario.

Any rational, logical person (religious or not) would not feel as though their religion is attacked if it is merely a fictional spin rather than outright badmouthing modern day believers.
smashcrashbash  +   565d ago
Isn't that just a little drastic? I mean it's not to say jobs are getting any easier to find and you want to quit your job for a game? Just never play the game again or something.I am a religious person but you can't always mix religious belief and reality or else in several instances I would have to be cutting off limbs.
floetry101  +   565d ago
The way Levine dealt with it is important. He didn't shun the guy because of his beliefs. They both sat down to gain perspective. That's something the gaming community needs to take with them. I'm not even remotely religious, but this helps me understand that you can't go and dissuade others when they can provide a different angle for the game.

Props to both parties here, we have a better game because of it.
Septic  +   565d ago
Well said and I completely agree.
arbitor365  +   565d ago
sacrilege and blasphemy? pre ordering as we speak
reznik_zerosum  +   565d ago
I really dont understand USA,what is point being artist if you cant speak about politics and religion,in this age and day people are afraid to insult even the worst types of human scum.
Jessewb  +   565d ago
That's far from the truth. In my experience, people have little to no care about offending people, unless it would somehow affect their own business or if they fear getting the same treatment. Otherwise, even kind people are offended just for existing.
CyrusLemont  +   565d ago
I wonder if it'll have something to do with crucifiction of the girl and using her as Martyr or something. I dunno haha, but I love controversial stuff. This game is going to be awesome!
unicron7  +   565d ago
Glad to be an atheist. I can go through life without needless bullshit offending me. Bring on the art and anything that encompasses it. I honestly cannot stand when an artist changes their initial vision due to religious people getting offended. Why change it guys? Religion doesn't deserve your respect, and it never has.
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SITH  +   565d ago
100% agree. Religion is always someone's crutch to be butt hurt about something. I rather deal with reality than fantasies.

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