For whatever reason, this rumor just won't die. Xbox 360 owners still believe some sources that said Konami might bring Metal Gear Solid 4 to Microsoft's system, and it just ain't going to happen. PSX Extreme explains why.
if 50gb was not enough, what makes 360 owners think 8 will be enough....
another question is if 50gigs is not enough then is BluRay already obsolete?
Personally I just want this game out so I can play that wonderful game!
Maybe 2011 isn't soon enough for the next generation of consoles?
i am almost 100% sure that mgo is going to be a seperate disc that comes with mgs4. I also hear in the future mgo will become downloadable as psn content. If 360 owners were to ever get mgs my guess is it would be mgo. Which isnt so bad because the game actually looks pretty good
It's going to be a PS3 exclusive for a long time. Sony made a deal with Konami in order to make a MGS4 PS3 bundle. So far every game bundled has been 1st party and for Sony to have a 3rd party game bundled with the PS3 it shows that Konami and Sony have this deal going on. Not only is the game bundled Sony is also putting the rumble controller. So there's no way MGS4 will be released on 360 anytime for the first two years of release because Sony realizes MGS is one of the top games on playstation and they will keep it exclusive for a long time.
becareful Maddens or you will be banded to the open zone for copy and pasting!!!
and for those that said could be bluray obsolete since 50gb wasn't enough, there are already 100gb and 200gb bluray disk in development.
MGS4 is a PS3 game.
True nextgen experience.
You don`t have any other games to care? Why so much arguing about port?
Yes, MGS4 is a masterpiece, but ONLY on PS3 you will be able to get FULL experience, NOT anywhere else. Stop it people, LET it GO.
"Another question is if 50gigs is not enough then is BluRay already obsolete? " Heaven is obsolete for Kojima.
You guys are going to feel really dumb when the game launches and they realize that all the space used up on the BD disk was for video and repeating the data multiple times in order to speed up search and load times because of how slow BD discs are. My guess is that the game in general is truly only about 9-10gb. If you don't realize how true that is then u are a blind fanboy just like the people who write these dumb articles. I am no fanboy, I own a PS3 and can't wait to play MGS4, but just remember that its not that big of a game past the hardcore PS people. It will be lucky to sell 2 million in its first year. I just love all the dumb fanboy comments because they can't afford all the systems so they have to fight to defend the one they bought because they feel like a fool if they don't. Its just hilarious!
"another question is if 50gigs is not enough then is BluRay already obsolete? " Yeah... Except when those 100/200gb discs start rolling out.
then just say ONE reason,
WHAT makes YOU think, THAT Kojima used/filled Blu-ray disc with some "for video and repeating the data multiple times in order to speed up search and load times", BUT not with GREAT ingame STUFF???
blu-ray disc are slow? That is a BULLSHIT.
2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))
Single Layer (2x CLV) - Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
Double Layer - Couldn't find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.
Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.
12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)
SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
DL DVD is 1.07MB/s < SL Blu-ray
Majority of 360 games are on DVD-9.
More over, Uncharted has NO loading times and NO HDD install and ONLY on 1 SL BD. How many x360 games have no loadings?
MGS4 is just HUGE. deal with that.
Do you need a facts?
MGS1 was on 2 CD, when most psone game sused only 300-400 mb.
MGS2 was on DVD9, when most ps2 games barely used a DVD.
MGS3 was on 3 DVD.
For NEXTGEN experience, NEXTGEN disc space. And that is GREAT.
@crazyman You really need to calm down your fanboy rantings quite a bit. What the hell is this NEXT GEN euphemism really mean anyways. Each system offers its own stable of games an expiriences. To think that one offers a more next gen experience is incredibly dumb. Are you like 8 years old or what? And just so you know. BRD's are slower when it comes to throughput. The fact that uncharted has no loads times only speaks to the developers knowing what to do. The better a dev is the less likely you will see a load time. There are plenty of games on all consoles that have no load times at all. You really need to open your mind because you are obviously not a real gamer if you are so willing to dismiss any real facts. MGS4 - WORLDWIDE RELEASE (13 Languages)(13 audio tracks) There have also been a few games so far in the PS3's lifecycle that have used the BD data in a repeat manner in order to reduce seek times. Whether you like it or not Blu_ray is a bit slower. It's not monumentally slower, but it is slower. Please stop being a moron. I am not bashing the PS3! I was simply letting the blind fanboys know not to take much from the whole "MGS4 too big for BRD" nonsense.
PS3 developers don't compress data because they don't have to. It could fit on a few discs for the 360 easily.
Luke not sell 2 million in a year? Are you dumb man. If that crappy overhyped Assassin's Creed sold 2 mill.
otherwise, you won`t understand what NEXTGEN experience means.
"BRD's are slower when it comes to throughput."
Are you dumb? Just because some developers doesn`t use proper BD in MULTIPLATFORM games, that doesn`t make BD slow.
For what PS3 exclusive games Blu-ray disc is SLOW???
I just HATE, when people BULLSHITTING like YOU do.
"t's not monumentally slower, but it is slower."
It`s NOT slower then 8x DVD9. Just NOT.
"MGS4 - WORLDWIDE RELEASE (13 Languages)(13 audio tracks)"
What a n00b. http://kotaku.com/362175/us...
I have played all the big titles on the PS3, and they are some great games, but they do nothing different from any similar game on the Wii or 360. What exactly about uncharted is so mind blowingly "NEXT GEN" The graphics are very well done and its a fun game, but beyond that I have played the exact same game about 30 times over. Pretty much the same with games like GT and R&C. So far we have seen improved graphics and that is about it, and its pretty much that way with the 360. Each system has some truly amazing games and I really don't understand why you are dumb enough to think that smaller disk size means that a game would be any less fun. That is just a cry of the fanboy. If a dev truly wants to bring the game to the 360 they could probably do it. It obviously not about the graphics, they are great, but nothing either system couldn't do without a core behind its back. It is people like you that make me really sick. If you can come up with 5 "NEXT GEN" features from your list of games that cannot be accomplished on another system then maybe I would take anything you say seriously. But since any smart person can see that you have some serious issues as a fake gamer, yes you are a fake gamer, we all know that the list will have some pretty funny things on it. I play a game because it is good not because I believe the hype machine. I play my 360 for shooters and online games because neither the PS3 or Wii does the genre right. I play action titles on the PS3 because I think they play a bit better, but I am always open to playing any game on any console, and so should you be. I am sorry that you are too immature to understand grown up concepts and math, but in the end you are just another pathetic fanboy. The scourge of the gaming world, just remember that they aren't laughing with you they are laughing at you!
its all a marketing spin, 50gb not enough, its just like when they say a game can only be doen on a certain console, or that game on ps3, cant remember what one it was but they were saying how much space it took up and it was only because it was full of empty data and nothing was compressed, same thing will apply to mgs4.
if it comes to 360 great, but im not going to cry in my cornflakes if it doesnt, i liked the first mgs but never got into the sequels, its an average game with a spectacularly loopy story, characters are kinda cool tho.
all this talk of how ps3 games are better because they are on bluray is just pathetic, 360 has more then its share of quality games, and im sure mgs will be forgotten pretty quickly after gow2 comes out.
and to the people that keep saying ps3 is true next gen because of uncharted and r&c im sorry but ive seen better on 360 so does that mean 360 is true next gen? both consoles have their share of great games, i couldnt give a damn about the console aslong as the games and online content are good enough to make me want to keep on playing, alot of people on this site really need to grow up
but if I remember correctly, both MGS 2 and 3 were DVD-5s. i know this because I burned both of'em into regular DVD-5s with no prob nor downgrade or any sh!t. even MGS2:Subs is a DVD-5 and MGS3:Subs is 2 DVD-5 discs. now as for MGS4... thats madness and wouldn't be surprise if they say that they'll make MGS4 into 2 BRDs and MGO as a 3rd Disc... i dont know.
your crazy man who knows all of that? only a crazy man!
Do you, or do you not think that having 50gb of storage space on a single disc will allow new development opportunities? Why did we need to move from CD to DVD?
Well I am not truely sure but I have seen companies making quad layer Blu-Ray (200GB) and stuff like that so space wont be an issue in blu-ray thats for sure
:) that's cool. I'd love to see a movie collection on one of those! Like a Stanley Kubrick collection everyone on one disc. I'd buy that easily
Quad layer will hold 100gb ( each layer holds 25 gb )
that can make current dual layer Blu-ray players handle 50Gb per layer. This firmware patch would mean a ps3 could potentially see 100gb disc's in the future. Quad layer discs are out of the question for the ps3 though as the drive is only a dual layer drive. Hitachi is currently trying to adapt it so they can get 100Gb per layer on a Blu-ray disc as well, but have not succeeded yet. If they manage to get that working it would mean 200Gb dual layer ps3 discs in the future. To my knowledge the Blu-ray committee has not approved the patch for use yet, but the potential is there.
I just went though this in another thread.
100gig disk have 4 layers at 25 gigs each.
200gig disk have 6 layers at 33.6 gigs each.
This is what is currently available. As tech matures I'm sure we'll see more gigs per layer.
What have you done to EARN the right to play it? Surely Halo and Gears of War and Halo and Gears of War and Halo and Gears of War is enough to keep you GREEDY HOGS busy? MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!
Well said King!
Comedy at it's best that was one of your funniest so far. *bubbles as usual*
Youve got: GEARS 2 HALO (unnamed project) FABLE 2 Too Human Banjo kazooie Splinter Cell Too Human Lost Odyssey Mass Effect Halo3 Fable2 Gears of War 2 HALO WARS NINJA GAIDEN 2 NG2 Halo4 Uhm... Wait, is mass effect launching on the PC? Nevermind... Guess you have to take that off the list. Gears 2 will be PC as well i'm sure, the first one was. But dont worry because you ahve more epic titles like: Resident evil 5 Grand Theft Auto Wait, those are multiplats too. What does the 360 have again? Oh Forgot to add VaporWare Alan wake.. Which had the worlds MOST AMAZING TECH DEMO RAN ON A PC 5 years ago. LOL
http://www.konami-data.com/... http://forum.teamxbox.com/s... http://forum.teamxbox.com/a... http://www.gamespot.com/for... ----------------------------- ------------------------------- ---------- And ONE more: http://www.thepetitionsite.... Comment number 21: "metal gear is a brillent game and worthy of illuminating every gamer on every possible consule, therefor spreading the fanbase and make alot more people antisapate the release of the movie nearly twicefold!" Xbots,what MORE is there to SAY ^ ? Jump OUT and Play B3YOND
That line up you summed, is a tiny line up. In fact, its barely better than Nintendos line up and Nintendo only got 2 games this game. Brawl and Cart. Aint that the ugly truth. Your 'line up' stinks.
See the light of day on the KaKBox
That last gen heap of junk aint good enough to handle the masterpiece that is MGS4
Just like we PS3 owners don't want nothing to do with your sub par fps Halo 3 we don't want you to have anything to do with the Greatest game of all time Metal Gear Solid 4 !!
You don't deserve this game !!
I think MGS4 could be done on the 360. All Konami has to do is put each mission on a DVD. I'm not sure how many missions MGS4 has though but it could work. If there are any big missions it might take two DVDs of course.
GEARS 2 -Will be Nothing beter then Gears 1 (360 cant do any more then you have seen already. HALO (unnamed project) - lol halo FABLE 2 - just like 1 will look nice but will fail somehow. Too Human -- surrreee Banjo kazooie - why oh why do you kids think this game means Sh!t. give up Splinter Cell Yuck MGS wana be Too Human - so good u put twice lol? Lost Odyssey - MWhahahahahaha Lame Mass Effect - Beter On PC like most 360 games. Halo3 - Came to the party left with tail between legs. Fable2 another doulbe? boolstering the linup? Gears of War 2 More fluuf HALO WARS - RTS lol NINJA GAIDEN 2 Sigma Beats Hands down. NG2 Huh!? Halo4 - Sure but for xbox 3 in 09 Uhm... -RROD? Wait, is mass effect launching on the PC? Nevermind... Guess you have to take that off the list. Gears 2 will be PC as well i'm sure, the first one was. - Yup Like Most Games for Windows ie 360's line up. But dont worry because you ahve more epic titles like: Resident evil 5 - Multi plat that will be beter on PS3 Grand Theft Auto - Multi-plat that will be beter on PS3 (free online for one) Wait, those are multiplats too. - Just figured that out? What does the 360 have again? RROD? Oh Forgot to add VaporWare Alan wake.. lol VaperWare Which had the worlds MOST AMAZING TECH DEMO RAN ON A PC 5 years ago. - You Said it PC LOL- lol x2 @Kaz lol Keep it up ^^
lol watch this video it expresses more than u said :) http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Do you not realize he was mocking the line-up, not praising it????
TheKiller - That video was great. Three discs to get through the opening. Too much. And probably the truth too. I loved the part at the end about overheating. Xbots would never get to any gameplay because of that.
Oh well, they can buy a PS3 for Blu-ray movies and then buy MGS4. It will be worth the cost.
@ Kaz -- Shutup you dumb jap. What did you do to EARN the right to play, you retard. Metal Gear is a great game, and I hope all of the PS3ers enjoy it. If I ever get a PS3 one day, it'll be among the first games that I buy for it. To be honest though, I'm busy with so many other great games on my Xbox, that I won't really miss it.
And it's like the CrapBox 360 is capable of running native 1080p games, lol, lol.
NG Sigma beats Ninja Gaiden 2? Are you retarded? You haven't even played the damn game yet, and I doubt you own a 360 you tool.
The only people that didn't want to accept this were the G4 hosts (that Adam Sessler especially) and the fanboys. When Kojima said PS3 was the theater and 360 was the cd (or something like that) I knew it wasn't happening. When Sony was said to be making the MGS4 movie I was certain. And then when I read about the amount of space they're using (not to mention the certain amount of HDD space they're going to take from me) I was beyond certain. I love Halo. If I want to play it, I have to buy a 360. I passed. If you want Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War III, Gran Turismo 4, the Square games, the Team Ico games, Insomniac, Sucker Punch's game, etc...you need a PS3. And don't throw GTA IV in my face because there is no concrete evidence that there won't be DLC on PS3.
"please insert disc 4... loading.... loading....squiiiiiiiick scrrrrrraatchhhhh...scrrrrrrrr rrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR... disc error... please insert disc 5..."
MGS is a great game francise, I don't really blame the fanboys for wanting the game
just jealousy. who doesn't want to own this lovely piece of software? go out there and get a ps3, if you haven't already! :-) i'll see you future ps3 owners on the PSN
Well. They have gotten some good games of late. But this one falls under the area of optimizing hardware.
One thing this artical didnt look at. Yes it is 50gigs. However a good bit of that 505gigs will be reused through the game. MGS always has backtracking in it. So running MGS on 6 disks would be akward to say the least.
I cant say it´s gonna be an awsome game since i havent played it, but it´s gonna be an awsome game ;-)
many forget that Kojima is also the VP of Konami, if he saids no..
well that was a good read lol.
more worthwhile news from n4g on the frontpage? why that's great! but it's still to early for the day to end! we need at LEAST 3 more RRoD topics, 2 PS3 Cell being used as something OTHER than a game console topics, 1 wii online complaint topic before the day is over :)
to understand that each console has their exclusive's. You wont see Gears on a playstation like you wont see MGS on the 360.
Is it really such a hard pill to swallow?
I don't want this game. This game is so overrated, it's a game full of cutscenes, it must be a japanese thing, they really like some weird games.
360 owner by any chance?
All I can think to say is... lol wut?
While I wouldn't say I don't want it...
I hae grown bored with MGS games. Lovely looking games and immersive enviroments but I find the gameplay has loss it's edge. It's animations are way to stiff for todays combat systems. The combat is even worst. Not bashing the game, just saying it's showing it's teeth.
Also the story has turned into a soap opera.
whats the point of this article
You know whats sad is there will still be some people (xbox owners) who think the 360 is getting this STILL. They say...ohh it's because the audio is uncompressed that takes upp SOOOO much room. Well guess what? No...just quit.
what kaz said.
You'll need a PS3 for the ultimate gaming experience
I remember reading the same things with Metal Gear Solid 2, susistence anyone?. Until we have an official statement by the house that owns Metal Gear. These opinion pieces are useless.
"According to Kojima himself, the team needed to make some cuts just to fit the game onto a Blu-Ray disc, which can hold up to 50 gigabytes of data. Now, if they had to work to cram MGS4 onto Blu-Ray, can you imagine what they'd need to do with a 360 version? It'd have to be distributed amongst 5 or 6 dual-layer DVDs!"
Only because they're too lazy to compress the data... I bet when they compressed it right, with 2 to max. 3 DL-DVD's it would fit. And I don't mind with Blue Dragon (99% of all games are still on one DL-DVD BTW...)
but will that not sacrifice the quality? Do you see a perfectionist such as Kojima doing something like that?
kojima is lazy?!?!?!?! what are you talking about mart???? Mgs pushed the psone in everything, gameplay, graphics, and story, same with 2 and 3, and now that its the 4th and his final mgs game he is just going to be lazy, this is the stupidest thing you have ever said!!! He makes great games and they look and play beautiful. SO halo and its revolutionary graphics and story were so much better than halo 2 compared to on the 360 right, it totally blew you away, right?!?! you are so wrong dude.
You clearly know nothing about game development. Were nothing compressed, every game would easily clear 25GB. Sound itself would probably consume that much in most games. I can 100% assure you that every asset in MGS4 is compressed, but you can only compress so much before you noticeably start to lose fidelity and detail, and Kojima does not want to do that to his creation. If there were no compression, and ever graphical asset in the game used the original .PSD files for the textures and maps and the uncompressed sound files for effects and music, and 2048x2048 normals for every object, there isn't a format in existence that would hold a game like MGS4.
I don't know how this got approved when its a duplicate story...
I guess I'll use my last post in this thread to make a final point that people can click "disagree" on.
When there are claims that Resistance: Fall of Man used more than a DVD of space, where do people think that space went? The graphics aren't better than Crysis. The game isn't significantly longer than Crysis. Is the sound better than Crysis? So why did the game need more more than double space than Crysis?
It's because the game wasn't compressed, repeated data, and had multiple language tracks on the disc. This is true for *all* PS3 games so far. Can anyone point to a currently-released PS3 game and explain why it would need more than a DVD or two of space? Uncharted is gorgeous, but isn't incredibly long.
Now, look at the features of MGS4. Does it look like an incredible game? Certainly. But what about it exactly makes it worthy of SO much space used on a disc. Think about it. 50 *gigabytes* of space. Do you play PC games? What's the biggest a PC install comes out to? 10 GB maybe? What does MGS4 offer that means it needs to be 5 times the size of the prettiest, longest PC games? Isn't it POSSIBLE that a lot of the space is used is due to a lack of compression and multiple language tracks on a disc? MGS is a VERY dialogue-heavy game. Uncompressed audio tracks in multiple languages would QUICKLY eat that space up.
That being said, why do people think that, if the data were compressed and the multiple language tracks removed, that MGS4 wouldn't fit on 2 or 3 DVD's? Please explain that to me.
I work at a technology company, doesnt have anything to do with gaming and I work at the comercial sector, but anyone knows that compressing means quality reduction and less reading speed. Here we need to compress a huge amount of photos and sound files everyday and to do so without loss of quality is not only troublesome but there is only so far you can go.
Also you haven't played the game so you have no idea what they did to fill an entire double-layer BR disc. Also the PC games install only the engine... that is the data the runs the game.
So.. data that repeats itself and is used to run the game is about 5gb.. so 45gb would fill the rest of the blu ray disc.
To do that on a 360, which you can't install the engine code because some 360 lack HDDs, would require to add 5 gb data on all dvds. So that would leave not so much space for the rest of the data that would have to be distributed on separate dvds. That is why it wouldnt fit in 3 dvds.
To conclude my post... Crysis has more data than Resistance and it doensnt have many dvds because it installs the engine code. Also, this game probably have some of it compressed. Wouldnt know which part though.
Edit: Besides, the 360 already has many great games and it has Gears 2 coming. I am sure this game will be great and I will definately get it but those who own 360s also have great options. That is just my opinion, opinion which does not define the course of the gaming industry.