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PS4 not “designed in an ivory tower” like PS3, devs say

In The Guardian‘s report of a round-table event following the PS4 reveal, Guerrilla Games co-founder Herman Hulst said PS4 system architect Mark Cerny came to visit Guerrilla several times during the console’s development.

“We got the entire group of core developers together and gave deep feedback on everything system-related. It’s no longer designed in an ivory tower somewhere in Tokyo, it’s shared with us, with Naughty Dog, with Sony San Diego – and together we’ve built the machine,” he said.

“As Mark said at one point during the launch event, it’s a console for gamers by gamers.”

Hulst said the PS4′s PC-like architecture is going to make things a lot easier. (Naughty Dog, PS4, Sony)

PersonMan  +   1004d ago
PS4 ports are going to be much nicer than the shoddy ports we got most of this gen.
DeanSanchez  +   1004d ago
By the looks of things, the devs seem excited about the PS4. Maybe it might even be the lead platform for devs.
3-4-5  +   1004d ago
What it will lead to is a lot of games.
YourSavior  +   1004d ago
Fingers crossed!
MikeMyers  +   1003d ago
Finally Sony gets it that developers don't want proprietary hardware that only benefits Sony.
mistertwoturbo  +   1004d ago
Hmm which brings up an interesting point that isn't brought up often.

Even if the X720 is "slower" or "less powerful" it will still be ported decently because the underlying architecture is still the same. x86 processor, GPU, and RAM.

Dial down the textures, maybe a little less anti-aliasing, and you have a PS4 to 720 port.
MasterCornholio  +   1004d ago
Sounds like this gen all over again except with fewer differences between the 2 consoles. The only one that will suffer due to weak hardware will be the Wii U, its practically the Wii all over again except without the massive hysteria that the Wii had in the beginning.
DeadlyFire  +   1004d ago
True, but its a plus for PC ports as well as only WiiU would have to worry about issues. Still though games like NFS: Most Wanted on WiiU are utilizing the PC versions textures and assets. So its not to far off.

WiiU while on lesser hardware still won't have much problems with ports. Nintendo was happy to say that porting to their new platform wouldn't be a problem. Just means lesser textures, smaller draw distances, and maybe less objects around. Overall shouldn't be much different though. I suspect 720p @ 30 fps was Nintendo's goal.
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1004d ago
lol pc version of bethesda games are buggy as hell.

good but buggy.

This mean they can leak maybe 6gb of gddr5 ram next gen?
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hesido  +   1004d ago
While ports will be easier to make, the true champions to harness PS4's strengths will still be exclusives, as the slight differences in architecture will allow different approaches to different problems.
ExPresident  +   1004d ago
Whats interesting is we are seeing comments like this, straight from developers. They are excited about this system, they are excited about what they will be able to do with it.

Yet, considering that, people are doing everything they can to find a way to hate on Sony and discourage purchase of the Playstation. Haters gonna hate I guess. Just sad, when its clearly evident that as gamers this system is a win for us because the people making games on it are loving it.
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testerg35  +   1004d ago
Which people are discouraging the purchase of the PS4?
Snookies12  +   1004d ago
Apparently the ones who are disagreeing with ExPresident, who is 100% correct in his statement. I don't get why some people simply hate a console company just to hate it. Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony all give us wonderful games, that should be all that matters. If you're a gamer, you should be able to see just how wonderful the PS4 sounds as a console. Any real gamer has to give Sony kudos for doing a fantastic job designing this thing. (Assuming all of their promises from the conference hold true.)
NoSuchUserName  +   1004d ago
Check back on n4g now and again and you'll know
Knight_Crawler  +   1003d ago
@Snookie - he has 7 disagrees and 39 agrees...I think its safe to say that majority on N4G do not want the PS4 to die.
showtimefolks  +   1004d ago

like you said man some can't admit sony made the right choice by taking a lot of feedback from those who develop games. People will hate but don't appreciate

playstation brand is extremely strong defined by great services and even better games. at $599 ps3 was outselling the competition.

my main point is this sony did a lot wrong early on with ps3 because they were do dominant with ps1-2. people always say MS has taken a big share of the market but my thing is what's stopping sony from taking that share back this gen? with what seems like a great system for what most likely will be a consumer friendly price i see ps4 storming into the market and grabbing the bull by the horn and never letting it go

you can have all the best services in the world but for a gaming console to be successful it needs games, Most 3rd party games will be on ps4 and next xbox so what's gonna differentiate is gonna be the exclusive games and exclusive content for psn/xblive. and that's where sony owning bunch of studios gonna help big time

let's see how strong xbox brand really is when its competing with wiiu and ps4 from day one. After the way MS treated its core fans in last 2 plus years wuith all the kinect crap i am not buying next xbox like i did xbox360. MS has to show me they mean business and are serious towards core gamers
Nate-Dog  +   1003d ago
True, but just remember the same thing happened with the Vita. Tons of developers came out and praised the system and said they will make games just for it and that hasn't really materialised, especially with larger companies. (I don't expect the same thing to happen with the PS4 of course, that's a whole different ball-game but I just wouldn't get too excited about what developers say before we actually see that put into action.)
Kevlar009  +   1004d ago
PS3 seemed to have an air of cockiness around it at release, like they assumed everyone would immediately dish out $500 for it because it was the strongest system. Having a console not many knew how to optimize also hurt them.

Taking a step back and getting back to basics was highly needed, I seriously doubt we will se a $500 base price.
DeanSanchez  +   1004d ago
Thats true. I remember Sony said "you will have to get 2 jobs to pay for the PS3. We want you to work hard to get the system". Needless to say, that was a stupid mentality.

I'm glad that they're really changing things with the PS4. They're definitely advertising better, focusing on the core gamers, working with developers, and overall working much harder to gain back their dominance.

Its going to be an exciting generation. Cant wait to see what Microsoft has to offer
Reborn  +   1004d ago
When building consoles, its true, makers should ask their studios/third parties how to improve, and especially.. how to get the best out of it. I.E. What was holding them back? If they hit that pricing correctly, Sony should be in a seriously strong position.

Developers clearly like what they've seen so far. I'm excited to see just what comes out on these consoles. More so, very curious to see what Microsoft has done to ensure a general improvement in the future. The following months will be interesting.
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Enemy  +   1004d ago
It makes more sense to build your console around the requests of the gaming industry's top developers. The PS4 seems to be a developer's dream this time around. I know I myself was worried Sony were going to introduce the Cell 2.

I'll take two PS4s please.
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MeatAbstract  +   1004d ago
It's good to see Sony not marching in with sheer arrogance like it it did at the start of this gen. They basically created this powerful, difficult machine to work with and said 'There you go, deal with it'.

It seems now that arrogance has gone and they've worked on how they can improve and better themselves after the terrible PS3 launch.
DOMination-  +   1003d ago
Definitely true, but Sony have been humble for quite a few years now. Lets hope the userbase follows suit. From your disagrees, it seems like there's a way to go.
smashcrashbash  +   1004d ago
Well now that Sony basically went to everyone and asked them what they wanted they are comfortable with the console Sony has made.

BTW I am not sure why everyone always go one about Sony's arrogance. As far as I have seen everyone has had their share of arrogant moments but people are always talking as if Sony are the most arrogant bastards in history. Remember Nintendo's refusal to change formats that doomed the N64 or Microsoft practically calling the Wii a child's toy? Everyone had their moments of arrogance and over confidence and yet people harp on about Sony every time.So they thought everyone could adapt easily to their new design and were wrong. How long are you going to harp on about it?They were not the first people to make a system difficult to work with you know.

@ Ripsta7th.Yeah I would like to go back to the 'it is unfair that MGS4 is on the PS3 only' and the 'The Wii doesn't need graphics and power' speeches of both Microsoft and Nintendo fanboys. These are the people that you claim 'don't care as much'. Just spare me. I have to listen to as much Nintendo and Microsoft fanboy whining as I have to listen to PlayStation ones.The latest crying is that Microsoft will come up with a console that willbeat the PS4 for sure and Nintendo can still outsell both consoles coming from the insecure fanboys that seem to fear the PS4's release for some reason.Oh and let's not forget the anger from Wii U fanboys because we said there is no way Ubisoft would make Rayman only for the Wii U and that Rayman and Bayonetta are not strong sellers
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MeatAbstract  +   1004d ago
But just because other companies have shown arrogance and have mis-judged their standing, does that mean we can't mention it now?

As the PS4 is the successor to the PS3, obviously people are going to look at the different aspects between the two and see how Sony's attitude at the start of this gen, and it's attitude for the next one, has significantly changed.

It's not insulting Sony. It's simply observing the differences and changes the company has gone through to get to this point.

Don't be defensive over Sony. When MS show their console all the discussions will come up over the 360 and the hardware problems it had and are they making sure they'll be better prepared etc etc. Don't be so defensive and just join in the discussion. Again, it's not an attack on Sony.
KwietStorm  +   1004d ago
An ivory tower in Tokyo lol he better be glad Kutaragi ain't still around.
mistertwoturbo  +   1004d ago
Kutaragi is in the Ivory Tower looking down as we speak.
SonicRush15  +   1004d ago
This is obviously a good thing. Thinking about what Microsoft is gonna do, to top this when they announce their next console is exciting. Competition FTW without it we are all likely to fall short..
majiebeast  +   1004d ago
Im glad they asked a bunch of developers big and small on input about what the ps4 should be.
Omar91  +   1004d ago
Is anyone else having trouble waiting for this sexy beast to come out? I don't think I can last with this long of a wait.
brew  +   1004d ago
The wait should be an easy one

back library
God of War Ascension
Tomb Raider
Bioshock Infinite
The Last of Us
Beyond Two Souls
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KwietStorm  +   1004d ago
Well that didn't have any sexual innuendo at all..

But really, I can't wait either. I really like their approach with the new ecosystem and services. I just keep telling myself God of War, Bioshock, and The Last of Us will be out soon.
Indo  +   1004d ago
Their should be no excuses next-gen regarding needing more this, if we had this, or anything in those lines. The PS4 will handle any needs for developers for years to come. But seeing how new technology comes out every year, its crazy how the PS3 held up till now.
Adolph Fitler  +   1004d ago
So, Naughty Dog & Guerilla helped to design this thing......Hell, I can't wait to see what these guys are gonna be able to do with this monster.

It would be nice to see Insomniac come back home to PS exclusitivity, & knock us out another Resistance using Guerilla's engine, & maybe they could put more attention & focus into a new Ratchet.
And, as good as Evolutions new racer looks & more than likely will be, the redneck wannabe in me, NEEDS A NEW MOTORSTORM ON PS4....I mean, how could Sony fail to force these guys at gunpoint into making a MS PS4 launch title.

As much as I loved, praise & believe Krazy Ken is a genius, & delivered us THE BEST CONSOLE HARDWARE EVER for 3 gens straight, I sigh a great sigh of relief when I hear that these guys were a big part of Sony's console design strategy for PS4. It is certainly a smart move to get as much input from the game makers as possible, when it comes to console design specs.
I don't believe that these were the only developers involved either......I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Sony got input from EVERY 1st & 3rd party developer they could, in regards to PS4's creation.
ajax17  +   1004d ago
Does this mean we won't be constantly told by developers that they are squeezing the last drop of power 6 years into the PS4? Or will they max out in just a year or two?
EffectO  +   1004d ago

That's a "bit" insulting.Those people in Tokyo sign their cheques.
BigDog55  +   1003d ago
Didn't SONY have to sell their ivory tower?

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