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Submitted by Sardunos 513d ago | opinion piece

Microsoft Possibly Going It Alone On Used Games

4Player-"Out of the two big players here, Microsoft and Sony, my gut reaction is that Sony has it right. Do not assuage yourself from the used games market, however give gamers a different approach. By offering a competitive choice, Sony may come out on top. Microsoft may be doing themselves a world of hurt by spurning the consumer as a first step." (Industry, Microsoft, PS4, Sony, Xbox One)

Moonman  +   513d ago
Deuces! :)
Crazy Larry  +   513d ago
I would guess developers hugely support the idea; and both Sony and MS are getting pressured by developers to do it. Developers MAY in turn make exclusives for whatever company does it first. Developers would have a profit on every game sold; and deservedly so. Also, I think Sony or MS could TOTALLY get away with if they charged less retail. I'm not saying I'm for it, but from a developer stand point, I completely understand.

EDIT: Moonman- I agree the consumer comes first. But every game drops in price eventually; many to $20 within a year, new. Devs would still get their deserved profits, and the consumer still gets a great, CHEAP game. The consumer may just have to show a little self control and wait a few months before they buy; and if its a game they CAN'T wait for, they are buying it used for for a mere $5 less than new anyway.
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Moonman  +   513d ago
Of course I'm all about developers getting the most out of their hard work BUT the consumer comes first! Not everyone can afford to buy new games. And many of these new games suck anyway..lol.
Sexius Maximus  +   513d ago
You have a point, Larry. Used games aren't really that much cheaper than new (speaking strictly of Gamestop.) I don't buy used games, but if I did, I'd probably use eBay, not Gamestop. I also usually don't buy new releases, so many of my purchases are new games, around $20-$30. Still, for those people that want to save a few bucks, I suppose used game sales are helpful. HOWEVER, for me, the issue is selling my used games. I may not want to buy used games, but I'd like the option to sell what I no longer play.
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dcbronco  +   513d ago
It's funny to hear people say they will boycott a console that doesn't allow used games. They'll still pay EA $60 for a roster update. $60 a year for map packs based on levels from the game. And $60 for games with online sections where half the players cheat and the developers barely try to stop it. And you can best believe Kotick will support this. If MS does it and Sony leaves it up to the developer.

Tough talk anyway. When a must have hits, you'll all end the boycott.

You also have to wonder what MS is hiding that gives them the confidence to believe they can do this.
Kaiou  +   513d ago
The thing is , if there's no used market prices WON"T drop on new games that easily , just like with digital downloads(guild wars 2 just as an example). so it's a double lose for us consumers.
DragonKnight  +   513d ago
@Crazy Larry: It is a complete myth, an utter fabrication by developers/publishers, that used games take away their profit. Developers may flock to the console that blocks used games, but gamers won't. How much profit will developers make with no one to sell to? That's of course a generalization, obviously some will buy the games, but the point is that the console that blocks used games will most definitely see less sales than the console that doesn't block them, meaning less of an install base to sell to, less of a trusted use base to have for the future, less chances for people to support a dev in the future because they like what they bought.

A person shouldn't have to wait for a game to lower in price if they can get it cheaper right away just to satisfy a greedy publisher and developer who already get everything they would anyway from the retail stores they sell their games to.

This practice is appallingly anti-consumer and in no way should be supported.
GrizzliS1987  +   512d ago
If i was Microsoft, and wanted to do the watermark idea, i would tie the game to the account, rather then the machine. This way, you can log in to any Box you wish, and play the games you bought. This prevents a random person selling a game to Gamestop, and having another random person buying it, and playing it. Because they will never know the original users Username and Password. I think this is the approach they will take, because anything otherwise would be suicide for their console. At the billionaire level that they operate on, it would be a noob mistake to do what you people are claiming. It cannot, and wont be the way you think it will be :/
DOMination-  +   512d ago
Wow, a very interesting point that I never thought about. I still wouldn't appreciate this concept becoming reality, even though it wouldn't bother me personally as I rarely buy used games.. but having this feature *could* in theory garner more support from developers.

Would people still not buy the next Xbox if most of the big games ended up skipping the PS4?
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mr.selfdestruct  +   512d ago
I disagre there are many a time i will sell games to buy a new one. So that New game which the company would have sold now goes unsold. To say it would be better for the company to wait months later only to get a fraction of the original price is well crazy. Every used game sold was once bought new They were paid for it. Its a mistake and they will fail for it. If Rumours are true of coarse.
wampdog29  +   512d ago
You'de have to think about the possibility that new games might not fall in price as fast since they no longer have to compete with used game prices... The value sticks longer without used games.
Neoprime  +   512d ago
Devs don't get profits, publishers do, devs get paid by salaries by publishers.
fermcr  +   513d ago
If a console doesn't support used games then NO THANKS... You can keep it.
007Bond  +   513d ago
your loss
anderssc  +   513d ago
To any one who is still thinking that Xbox is on the fence about blocking used games here is definative proof from the mouth of Eidos Interactive's President Ian Livingstone

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Omar91  +   513d ago
well....that sucks
look at them! The charge for multi play and millions are happy to pay it!! I wouldn't be surprised if MS blocked used games was still successful.

God I hate these apple wanna bees. They really are the apple of console gaming. All they need is an over priced under powered console to sell like hot cakes.

But hey at least windows 8 is failing because of the apple obsession. They went from 70% market share to under 30% market share for servers because of the dumb tablet UI for servers.

If this happens xbox will have biggest publisher support.
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UnholyLight  +   512d ago
Your statement about Apple wannabes is pure retardation. Apple is an example of a company who managed to do what a company forms to do in the first place. Innovate, come up with appealing products, and have a stranglehold on the market to maximize profits.

Every company wants to be the Apple of the market.
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zeal0us  +   512d ago
If true then I'm taking life boat and sailing back to the Sony ship, if they will take me.

Most of the games I brought this gen was preown/used games.
Just_The_Truth  +   513d ago
They're not going to block used games
AngelicIceDiamond  +   513d ago
If they do, then there's no way I'm buying it.
MariaHelFutura  +   513d ago
The president of Eidos just said the next xbox games are watermarked. So you're wrong, unless he is lying MSFT just blocked used games. Look at the story below this one on the main page.
SignifiedSix  +   513d ago
You guys never seem to realize that its probably something to combat piracy.
MariaHelFutura  +   513d ago
There are other ways to prevent piracy other than watermarking.
Urusernamesucks  +   513d ago
"There are other ways to prevent piracy other than watermarking. "

Al rite then, wich one of them is the most eficiant/combiniant?
VicodinViking  +   513d ago
@usernamesucks

eficiant/combiniant, huh? full retard marks for butchering english.
MaxXAttaxX  +   513d ago
What if my system dies? Do I have to buy another copy of the game? Or is this somehow tied to your account?

That sucks.
Just_The_Truth  +   513d ago
I'm a fan of playstation anyways so I don't care what they do but I just can't see them blocking used games. Maybe exclusive like Halo or Gears but in no way all of them.
blackbeld  +   513d ago
I'm also a playstation fan but I'm not a blind fan. If Sony gonna block used games I will still enjoy my games with the WiiU.

But no worries Sony already stated they will not blocking used games.

Now it's up to Microsoft if they do this then I can already see what's gonna happen. Xbox 720 will be another big failure.
danny818  +   513d ago
I believe it. Rumors tend to be true
SixZeroFour  +   513d ago
out of all these "xbox blocking used games on next console" articles, how many mentioned sonys patent on blocking used games from a month or 2 back and how that effects ms doing it on the next xbox?

im asking cause i havent read a lot of these articles
DragonKnight  +   513d ago
Given that 2 Sony executives have spoken against the idea that Sony will block used games with the PS4, mentioning Sony's patent is irrelevant.
MaxXAttaxX  +   513d ago
Cause the rumor about the 720 blocking used games has been around just as long, if not, a bit longer.
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SixZeroFour  +   512d ago
i wasnt talking about sony using it...i was talking about how if sony has the patent on it, wouldnt ms have to go through sony to use it on their console
animegamingnerd  +   513d ago
if M$ says they are going to do all i will hear this they want you to buy either a PS4, wii u, or PC over the next xbox
crillinFLIP337  +   513d ago
You do realize the PC restricts games like the article talks about, right? And with Sony being less than direct when they answer the used games question, I wouldn't be surprised if both companies talk about this at E3 this year. Looks like a wait and see approach will be best
ThatXboxGuy  +   513d ago
Man.What a way for the Xbox brand to die out.Like a candle in the wind.
Root  +   513d ago
I don;t think it would die out, MS would just turn the Xbox console into a Entertainment box and go from there. They would probably just leave the gaming business but would still bring out the odd game like Halo, Gears, Alan Wake for gaming sales.

I mean from what they've done over the years I think they want to leave the industry and instead of bowing out and leaving a part of their audience, gamers, they are slowly transitioning the console into an entertainment box so gamers will come along for the ride and so there isn't an uproar
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BitbyDeath  +   513d ago
If people can handle paying for online then i don't see why blocking used games would be such an issue.

Sure they are two different things but loyalty has already been proven as they are both pretty out there.
EbeneezerGoode  +   513d ago
"people" don't handle paying to play online.

Idiots do.
ALLWRONG  +   513d ago
You mean like paying for the privilege to download in the background (PS3 now) or pay to play old PS3 games on the PS4?
EbeneezerGoode  +   513d ago
@allwrong - I don't do either of those, nor will. Playing online is a basic right when you have already paid your ISP for internet access. UNLESS you are paying for a dedicated server, which in most if not all console games, you are not.

And if Sony go the same route then I'll be just as harsh on them.
JeffGUNZ  +   512d ago
@ EbeneezerGoode

How old are you? I use PSN and LIVE, I pay for it and I think it's well worth it. You're paying the experience and sleek upgrades on live that PSN doesn't have. You can easily find live for 39.99 on Amazon for an entire year. That's a little more than half the price of a game. Don't be shocked if you have to pay for PSN next generation. You can't keep adding features without find the money to continue to evolve them. If PSN starts to charge, no gaming on consoles for you then?
mamotte  +   513d ago
-Sony has not said anything about used games.
-Microsoft hasnt said anything about used games.
-Nintendo is not a "big player" in the games market.
-?????
-Profit.
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crillinFLIP337  +   513d ago
E3 this year should be very interesting for this reason alone...
The_Infected  +   513d ago
@mamotte

"Sony confirms PS4 WILL play used games"

http://www.giantbomb.com/pl...
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iGAM3R-VIII  +   513d ago
Well if this is true, Sony win by default
tachy0n  +   513d ago
nobody knows for sure if sony is going to do the same thing, sheep.

@below,

what they said was that they are unsure, so that means that they considering it in some way.
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iGAM3R-VIII  +   513d ago
I am sure they answered that question and said that they wouldn't, unless I am imagining things....
The_Infected  +   513d ago
^^
"Sony confirms PS4 WILL play used games"

http://www.giantbomb.com/pl...
BABYLEG  +   513d ago
You are imagining things because they didn't answer the question straight out... Dont act so Sheepishly
ALLWRONG  +   513d ago
I don't know how you get "confirmed" out of that.
Kaiou  +   513d ago
don't jump to conclusions , what if the xbox indeed block used games but gets exclusivity from developers like ? next GTA ? Final Fantasy ! Assassins Creed ? Batman Arkham xxxx ? . there are so many games that can completely turn the tide if it went exclusive . which is sad actually , because we will be the ones that lose in the end.
superterabyte  +   513d ago
I would not be surprised however if sony does what they did with the vita games where used copies would stop you from earning trophies
iGAM3R-VIII  +   513d ago
really? lol I had no idea the vita actually did that
DragonKnight  +   513d ago
@superterabyte: The Vita doesn't stop you from earning trophies purposely. It's a design flaw.

http://www.destructoid.com/...
superterabyte  +   513d ago
@DragonKnight thanks didn't know bout that just got a vita bout 5 days ago lol
Cryptcuzz  +   513d ago
I hope Microsoft does not block used games simply because if enough "blind gamers" still end up buying it, what if Sony and Nintendo were to follow up with a similar mentality?

It would be a huge negative blow to gamers if this is true.
EbeneezerGoode  +   513d ago
Well if that happened then in time those few idiots who support it wouldn't be enough to sustain the console industry and it would crash and everyone would return to the PC.

Like the chaos theory, nature always finds a way.

And we have freedom of choice.
crillinFLIP337  +   513d ago
What if publishers and developers were able to receive money from each of their games that sold EVERY time? We could see a market shift to allow more discounts and better prices since the people who made the games would be recouping more of their money. Look at steam and the PC market, that seems like the proof of concept right there.
DragonKnight  +   513d ago
Steam and the PC market are also incredibly anti-consumer. Did you know that on Steam you can only get 1 refund? So for example, every user that was suckered into buying Aliens: Colonial Marines on Steam, yeah no refunds. Unless it was their very first attempt at getting a refund, they are screwed.

And why should developers and publishers make money off of one disc multiple times? When you buy a car from a car dealership, outgrow your use for it and decide to sell it used to someone, would it be right for Ford, or Dodge, or GM to get all of that money simply because THEY originally built the car?
crillinFLIP337  +   513d ago
At least Ford or Dodge or GM offers you the choice of selling them your car so they can resell it. The game industry doesn't offer such revenue streams.

As for their refund policy, it's a risk purchasing games prior to reading reviews or talking to others who have purchased the game. I don't mean to sound like an jerk, but no one forces you to buy games on day one.
00  +   513d ago
I highly doubt MS would block used game because it would be absolute suicide.
MrMayhem28  +   513d ago
It's not your right to play every game you want. If you don't have the money that is your problem not the console makers
00  +   513d ago
And these companies automatically deserve money for making things?

I'm not going to spend more for less.
Conquerbeard  +   513d ago
So, we should do away with used cars and houses that have been lived in? Your logic makes no sense. Video games aren't condoms - they can be used more than once and by different people.
wolokowoh  +   513d ago
So you're saying if I wanted to borrow a game from my roommate(for other people this situation would be a girlfriend/boyfriend or spouse with a separate gaming console), I could not simply walk over and ask to borrow it for the length of said game and return it to its owner in near mint condition or play the game on my console at all even with the original sitting right there and the money in the publisher's pocket. Keep in mind I literally live with this person. I like to own my own copy of things but I see no point in us both buying the shorter games
Sardunos  +   513d ago
Personally, I think Micrsoft has the marbles to go through with something like this.
VverdugovV  +   513d ago
You'll have to pay a subscription first before being able to play them. ;)
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Sardunos  +   513d ago
The article talks about the possibility of a Used Games Pass. Makes sense.
profgerbik  +   513d ago
Wasn't too happy with my 360 especially with how many I had to replace within the first two years because of Microsoft of all people being cheap and putting horrible cheap tin heat sinks in their system.

If they do this used games stuff, they are digging their own grave basically as if they haven't enough already in my opinion.
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Gamer-Z  +   513d ago
I really hope MS doesn't go this route
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Jek_Porkins  +   513d ago
Imagine going into a Gamestop and only seeing Sony and Nintendo items there. That would be a future where Microsoft was the only one to block used games. They might as well get out of the gaming business, I'm sure they must realize this, they probably have people checking what gamers are saying about this. I don't think there is a single gamer for blocking used games, and not simply because they love buying used games, but because they might like to take a game to a friends house or let a sibling play.

The main reason it wont happen is because hardware can be faulty, say you buy a console that blocks used games and that console breaks and you get a new one, are the games you bought new worthless?

Think people, I highly doubt this will be an issues, I still remember these ridiculous rumors last year revolving around the PS4.
K1W1  +   513d ago
I would assume that games will be tied to the user profile instead of the console itself. That would eliminate the hardware issues you have outlined.

I would be interested to see Microsoft's solution play out. If developers create exclusive games/content for a system that blocks used game sales?, If game prices for that system come down quicker due to such a policy?.

I think Microsoft might just have the balls to pull this off. And make it work?
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StrongMan  +   513d ago
@Lvl_up_gamer

"they probably have people checking what gamers are saying about this"

If that were true then they would have never tried to shove Kinect down our throats. Go to ANY forum or comment section and see what gamers are saying about Kinect.
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Jek_Porkins  +   513d ago
You don't have an Xbox 360, you troll everything Microsoft, call off the dogs kiddo.

They managed to sell 25+ million Kinect's, they shifted focus, Sony tried the same thing but just couldn't pull it off. Have you ever thought some people enjoy gaming with Kinect and can also enjoy standard controller based games? I'm one of those people, so you can imagine how happy I've been with my Xbox 360, not saying I love everything Kinect, but there are some fun things, and I love my Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable if that makes me wrong in your eyes so be it.

I don't really care, I am happy to see you back down to 1 bubble though, next up, ban.

Oh, I'm not Lvl up gamer.
hazardman  +   513d ago
I read an article on here the other day. Basically the developer said that the Xbox 720 games are watermarked somehow and comes with code. The code somehow is connected to your gamertag. If your system breaks maybe you can use game disc and gamertag to veriry that you already own the game. Its seems possible!! I think MS will be ok if they decide to go with their plan.

Maybe some developers will reward the move with some exclusive games. It maybe aslo means that if these one time use disc are real they might lower games prices. These are just theory right now that got me thinking. Also MS doesn't need Gamestop.
JeffGUNZ  +   512d ago
Or perhaps its watermarked to stop piracy. Anyone ever think of that? How many times did games get pirated last generation that led to early leaks of the game on youtube. Microsoft has always been known for trying to fight anti-piracy and the watermarked games seem to be the best way to do it. I don't know why people assume they are going to block used games.
SDF Repellent  +   513d ago
Only Sony fans would secretly hope this the case so the PS4 can dominate, don't you think Microsoft is well aware of this issue and will do whatever they can to compete? It is that simple.
DragonKnight  +   513d ago
"don't you think Microsoft is well aware of this issue and will do whatever they can to compete?"

You mean like how they compete by being the only company that charges to play online? Yeah, MS would NEVER pull such an anti-consumer move. They have absolutely no history with such tactics. /s
Lvl_up_gamer  +   513d ago
Well MS has sold just as many 360 as Sony has sold PS3's with xbl as a paid online service since the 360 launch so ya I would say MS is in it to compete.

You make it sound like MS did something wrong. Have just over the market share then sony this gen would indicate Ms doing somehing right. As well as making hand over fist more money then Sony this gen in the gaming division.
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Hicken  +   513d ago
Funny, cuz I see a lot of "Sony fans" saying they hope it's not true. I hope Microsoft doesn't follow through, as it would be a bad business decision, among other things.

But I also think Microsoft's the ONLY one of the three with the gumption to even attempt such a thing.
JeffGUNZ  +   512d ago
Why would Microsoft do that? Their is no evidence they would. RROD came and they stepped up and extended their warranties for an additional 3 years. If you try to go the route of charging for live, you get what you pay for. It's evident they are watermarking their games to stop and reduce piracy. Microsoft stated that is a big priority for them, makes sense when you actually think about it.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   513d ago
Non stop spin machine b.s.
snowman2149  +   513d ago
God I hope microsoft does it so they see the xbox brand crash and burn

"Yes microsft blocking used games and offline gameplay is a marvelous idea, everyone wants it! and you will still charge me for xbox live? Amazing, I'll be happy to!"- Said no one ever in the history of mankind
black911  +   513d ago
developers would be stupid to support the idea. They would be better off going Digital only instead. Banning used games will only lose customers.
azshorty2003  +   513d ago
I don't even see how this would even work. It says the discs are watermarked, ok, but how does that help? Only way would be to require a constant online connection, which it talks about, but what do people with no broadband internet or people that may have it in the house, but don't have the console hooked up do?

Are they really going to single out all those people? That's not even counting the people that buy used games it would alienate.

I think this argument and debate is pointless. I can't see Microsoft attempting this or any company for that matter. It won't work. It's commercial suicide and I don't think either company is stupid enough to try it.
ACESupERIC  +   513d ago
I really don't think ms will block used games because of every reason stated in these comments. They may stand alone in the pay to play category but that's because someone has to support live and who better than the ones using it. But if they were to block used games I don't think they would make it to another gen. There are too many people who buy used games and rely on being able to buy used games. I buy most of my games used because I cant afford to pay full price for every game I want to play. I average 2 used games a week and one new per month. That's not including games I borrow from friends and relatives. If ms does this I won't be getting the nextbox and it'll be a shame because im one of the many who have no brand loyalty. I'm a gamer and dont care what system or pc I play on as long as I can play good games without going broke
IK IR Y IP T  +   512d ago
Fact is games are expansive to make, u remember how entitled gamers felt about the mass effect 3 ending because they spent 60 bucks? Stop feeling entitled if u cant afford 60 bucks for a game and gaming will only continue to get more expansive in the future if u cant afford i suggest find a new hoppy.
josephayal  +   512d ago
It would be commercial suicide to block used games anyway, im going to call Bill Gates ASAP
Shawtymann  +   512d ago
I'm still not convinced Microsoft will block used games, until I hear it from them
despair  +   512d ago
We had the same rumor of sony blocking used games before the reveal and now its the same with microsoft, so I'm not setting my expectations either way but I think they know that if they stop used games they will hurt themselves badly.
yeahokchief  +   512d ago
Either way Gamestop gets fucked. I like it.
Tzunoy  +   512d ago
In that case i will buy myself a 400$ video card and watch let's play of consoles exclusives on you tube and play PC games :)
DivineAssault  +   512d ago
They better not do that.. it definitely will flop if they block all used games.. Wii U (for 1st party games ONLY) & PS4 for EVERYTHING else (features, multiplats, exclusives, & dual shock 4)..

Im way too excited about it..
ThatsGaming  +   512d ago
MS would only go it alone if they got exclusive AAA games from publishers. If Sony is not stopping the used market, MS would have no reason to unless publishers promised them a bunch of AAA exclusive games.

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