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While most opinion pieces are worthwhile, the sheer amount of ads on that site lead me to believe this is a hit generator peice with little foundation outside of "what if".
MS would be shooting themselves in the foot by delaying release. While Sony has the upper hand MS is no slouth, they must have something up their sleeves. No doubt MS has been developing the next Xbox for the last few years, Sony's reveal probably did little to hinder that.
Anyway, I apologize for the inconvenience.
Lets say the PS4 is more powerful, Microsoft will release its console: then a more powerful one maybe a year later. We saw them improve the 360 in steps, why not this time?
Though I also doubt what I've just wrote as I'm sure both Sony and Microsoft will pull out the heavy weapons.
*Glares at gamingbolt
I'm actually worried that in future multiplatform games on the ps4 will might to sacrifice because games will be made on the next box and ported to the ps4 just like this gen.
you do not understand real world do you . it would cost to much to build two models a year apart with diferent specs. plus upset people who bought the lower specs a year before. they changed the 360 to stop overheating and added a wireless card build in but did not change the specs
The 720 could be more powerful in the first place.
Sony's rumored specs where not set in stone but MSFT's is? LMAO
"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor. It's an ambitious strategy, made necessary owing to Microsoft's hopes for the new Xbox to be more than just a games machine - the hardware is believed to reserve a significant amount of RAM for media functions, and rumours persist that the console can run dedicated apps and media side-by-side with gameplay"
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
PS4 rumored specs that were almost dead on just weeks ago, 4 gigs of Ram now changed to 8 gigs of Ram after the reveal. http://www.vgleaks.com/worl...
MSFT being stuck with old rumored specs and Sony forcing MSFT to re-do the 720 after Sony recently changed their specs is delusional paranoid fear logic/reasoning/deflections.
MSFT more than likely had a few prototypes in the pipes to counter any of the competition directions/ambitions.
For all we know the leaked stuff was a ploy. Crytek has been working with MSFT behind the scenes for a couple of years now on exclsuives and probably next gen console concepts. The next Xbox will be very powerful due to it being a hybrid PC for games and MSFT products.
Sony not showing hardware after announcing a new console, after changing specs to slightly beat rumors of specs of the competition and it's MSFT with the weaker console that needs to be delayed? LMAO
That is the post of the year to date!
You said everything I was going to say since February 21st; one day after the release of SONY's PS4 statistics theyre shooting for.
One thing to up the amount of ram in a new console, another thing entirely to ditch the motherboard so they can swap in an entirely different type of ram
4 gig 720 from the first leaked docs assuming they were leaked vs planted as a ploy for MSFT's competition. http://arstechnica.com/gami...
8 gig 720 from another supposed leak possibly planted as another ploy
http://gamerant.com/xbox-72...
MSFT asks the leading devs making the most advanced games and or with the most advanced engines/tech at the time of development to help design xbox(s) as they always have, this time being Crytek ID/RAGE etc(not talking devs not exclusive/1st party devs)
PM me for that job if your not messing around LOL.
Man I think their was like 6 differnt 360 hardware prototypes and over a dozon shell concepts. You best Bet MSFT has a few differnt 720's mocked up assuming they're not going with the rumored ungradable 720 where the higher sku can be fitted with better specs later on.
http://www.google.com/searc...
I'm assuming MSFT will be going with the most expensive and best spec prototype they have considering they were stingy with price cuts this gen vs destroying PS3 with a proper price cut(s) to take the massive hit for the 720 launch (price control)
Also MSFT test ran the subsidized payment plan on the 360 which is proving to be great for them.
I think you need a reality check.
MS can cure cancer and some how the people on here would find away to make MS look like monster by saying that they stole the idea of curing cancer from Sony.
This place is going to go into melt down when MS announces the 720.
1. To keep momentum going on their stock after the news that they were in the black
2. They have so many games coming that the E3 time would cut into the experimentak games the want to show.
And you guys freak out whenever people criticize Microsoft (and rightfully so). I look forward to Microsoft's announcement. I hope for their sake they won't announce a Kinect 2.0 because if they do, there goes their fanbase.
You can be assured Microsoft will not release a half-assed console again. Remember: "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." -- Don't make the same mistake twice.
I also don't see them waiting a year after Sony because the 360 is no "PS2 fallback" like the PS2 was for the PS3 (by this I mean they don't have the foreign/3rd world market interests to keep the 360 going steady like the PS2 did when the PS3 came out). Microsoft NEEDS to release at the same time as the PS4 or they will never keep pace. Hell they had a year with the 360 and Sony caught them by the end of the generation (was much faster in non-US regions, aka Japan and Europe minus the UK).
thats a bunch of BULLSH'T the real deal MS not ready to release becuz as I said many times on here a friend of mine work in xbox quality control center for gaming he is a engineer said: they having heatsink problems and connectivity infar-red issues with kinect combining everything as a whole that not tweak out yet. need more time to adjust.
my opinion if nextbox release sooner it will be a disaster this time.
Assuming English is your second language. So I can tollerate that. Pretty sure you don't have a friend who works at Microsoft. All the employees would be forced to sign a nondisclosure agreement before they are hired. If he voided that, and Microsoft found out he will be flogged harder than a teenage boys man bits.
ps4 launched a year after yet did good and now has #2 spot in world wide sales.
release your system when its ready MS we don't want another RROD
If Microsoft might ad/change something it will be on the peripherals it might be a touchpad like on the ps4 and ouya, speaker or a forbid a share button. This would most likely not lead too a delay into 2014.
Sony is going after the primarily gaming only crowd, while introducing social features to integrate its games into everyday life making "social gamers" out of all of us. Sony still plans on offering media and apps but this will all revolve around gaming is first and central, the philosophy they outlined at the reveal.
Microsoft is continuing the route they've been on with Kinect, media and apps. Why fix what ain't broke? Kinect was confirmed by Guinness World Records as the fastest selling tech of all time back in 2010. Microsoft will continue to push hands free software as well as media capability with Kinect 2. At the same time, Microsoft will also strive to make the next xbox a complete media box rivaling the cable providers or even services like netflix and hulu. Games will still be there, but i would expect mostly third party titles with a few new first party ip's.
The Wii U is probably more powerful than the PS3 and 360. I'm sure it is. But it still looks like a slightly enhanced Wii on paper. They got a lot of additional power from re-designing the same parts with more modern technology. There is no reason to be the PS4 is more powerful at this point. Microsoft's own leaks show that they plan to use dual GPUs. One mainly for graphics and the other mainly for compute. But both capable of both.
How can anyone think Sony is doing anything different from Microsoft when they are both doing the same things. What features are there on the 360 that the PS3 doesn't do. Kinect, Move. Both have movie services, casual games on their networks. Music services. Sports. Sony additionally has Blu-ray. But somehow there is this silly argument that they are going for different audiences. They are not. The PS4 will have a camera in the box just like the 720. They will have Apps. Facebook, Twitter and a browser. There is no difference in an attempt to get the casual user.
It's all based on fanboys, who are completely incapable of comprehension or rational thought, repeating the same phrases over and over again. Or more simply put, Nazis. Repeat the same lie again and again and it will become the truth. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
But on the 720, if they want to do a whole "Fable Journey's thing" I don't see me as getting one.
Another thing to note is, Sony invested a lot of money in buying studios and the handfull they bought this gen shows it. MS didn't. They only bought studios for Kinect and even closed down a lot of studios while doing the whole "Kinect trimming the fat" plan.
I'm just saying, they year before MS started teh whole Kinect craz, they got ride of a ton of studios and didn't fight to keep the ones that left, it was as if they where being let out of contracts not to be re-done. I start to find it hard to believe Bioware, Bungie, Bizzare Creations etc all just wanted to up and leave ending of 2007. I'm sorry but that is just to much of a coincidence. MS made some moves and its quite clear studios knew this and began looking else where.
MS made a choice, they paid for it, opened up studios for it and closed the rest of the hardcore studios to get it. Now this tells me MS is looking to cash in on Kinect big time and really...why not? They made money and clearly they feel there plan worked. If MS wanted to do a "Sony" ie buy a bunch of studios in a generation....they very much can....they didn't. Sony did, MS didn't. To say they have the same plan is a joke and you seem to only be looking at the surface. ie Sony has Move and MS has Kinect...and...Sony had the Eyetoy for PS2, didn't stop them from buying over 6 studio this gen to make hardcore games. Kinect stopped MS from doing that and even made MS get rid of the few they had, IPs and all.
Edmix,
The goal is the same. The dancing puppets game is not aimed at the hardcore market. Both systems are trying to capture as much as they can of an ever expanding market. A Market that includes more and more casual players. Players that over time can be moved over to different kinds of games.
Microsoft isn't stupid enough to believe that casuals are the market. Casuals are fickle. They will jump on the next big thing and then be gone. People look at Kinect as a casual only product. I don't think it is or ever was intended to be. But Kinect was easy money for the current generation. The power to do other things with it won't be there until next generation.
People talk about them closing studios. What successful studios did they close. Thy disbanded studios that weren't working. They made studios to do things they thought would. The current generation has gone on far longer than people expected. MS invested small amounts in Kinect titles that probably mostly made a profit. Sony invested millions in a lot of exclusives that probably lost money. At the end of the day they are still companies that need to make money.
The key is people are assuming that Microsoft isn't working on hardcore games because of this generation. Sony might be thinking that too. I'm sure Microsoft would hope they are. No one expected Surface. No one expected the changes to the 360. It's good to be underestimated. I actually doubt Sony will be stupid enough to not take Microsoft seriously again. That's why they have a camera peripheral too. It's an expanding market and the guy standing at the end is the guy that gets the most of it.
But like you said. Business wise you can't argue with the results. Sony is a company on the edge of bankruptcy looking to gaming to keep it from falling off the edge. You think some of that casual market would help?
Sony bought studios, MS closed them down, and when they did buy and open studios it was to fund kinect. Even studios they owned before Kinect are working on Kinect games. Sony did do all of that, though the Move sold about 15 million, Sony doesn't have its core main studios exclusively making Move only games in the same respect MS is doing with there own. Business wise, MS is going the Kinect route harder and stronger then Sony is going the Move route.
Where Sony bought teams like Guerrilla Games in 2005, Zipper 2006, Evolution Studios and Big Big studios in 2007, Infamous in 2010 and Media Molecule in 2011. I think I'm missing a few to.. Sony very much geared and invested in targeting developers to make core games, MS got rid of teams that would make core games in favor of Kinect games.
Business wise, you just can't argue with results. MS made a lot of money cutting those studios and making Kinect games, they made a lot of money off the hardware too. I don't see MS buying studios and going "nuts" for the hardcore next gen, like Sony did this gen. They have all but one new studio to make core games, I think its called Black Isles or....its in Canada. But they are the only developer to my understand that was bought by MS to solely make a AAA FPS IP for the MS for the 720 to cease the BS from MS.
Another thing you're not taking into account is that while Sony hasn't opened Kinect only developers, they have closed some of those hardcore studios. So give Microsoft credit for the foresight to drop what's not working. As time goes on and Microsoft has given Sony true direct competition, Sony has adjusted the way it does things. They have to look at it as a business instead of throwing money at a wall.
And the "I just want good games" mentality has to die with bad studios. Everyone wants good games, but companies need to make money in order to keep making games.
Also, You gotta love how the "It only does everything" crowd criticizes the other machine for doing anything but gaming. Not saying you Edmix. Just commenting on that fanboy mentality in general.
@ EDMIX: M$ sold over 25 million Kinect and 76 million 360's. http://news.softpedia.com/n...
We can talk about rrod till we're blue in the face, but the facts are that users purchased multiple boxes rather than abandoning the system. They enjoyed playing their 360s and they got replacements. Then they got another replacement. Ultimately this was a happy accident for Microsoft and the 75 million consoles sold reflects that. You think Microsoft would rather have dependable hardware leading to 36 million consoles sold worldwide?
I certainly do not think so. Money maketh the world go round.
@jmac53 it did boost the sells of the 360! Because a lot of people didn't want to wait on repair or, replacements! Many just went out and bought new ones.
And lets just mention real quick how people can site they sold 76mil 360s... how many of those replaced a 360 out of warranty? Way more than replacement PS3's. The number of people actively playing a working 360 is way lower than 76million.
But it was a happy accident for Sony too, many users switched to Sony, and we can thank MS for sony having 70-80 million sold today instead of 30 million.
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Remember it comes with the territory of launching new consoles.
Take off your fanboy shades and re-read what he wrote.
Hmmm....
Nobody likes delays but if it means the Xbox 3 will be on par with PS4, shouldn't Xbox gamers be happy?
If MS want to target the casual market as signs would suggest, they'll have to keep costs down. So it could be that they'll be perfectly happy with less of a console at a cheaper price. TBH I think they'll sell more consoles like that but not to core gamers who'll most likely jump ship to Playstation if they haven't already.
My best guess is, it will be nothing like what's going on now, and second MS won't delay. Not gonna happen.
Launching first isn't that important
Saturn was a failure for Sega, and the Dreamcast, as great as a system it was failed, another legendary failure for Sega that is well known in the industry. N64 was a cartridge base console and mostly all the third parties flocked to Sony to produce their games on CD/DVD which was cheaper to make and could do a lot more. Sony had that privilege of basically no competition for those gens.
Wii, as much as I hate to say it was the cheaper alternative to both 360/PS3 and it greatly catered to a different audience then MS and Sony. Which the WiiU is now trying to catch up and cater too.
The Next Xbox and PS4 will be so similar in features and especially games that it will be imperative for each of them to be on the market damn near at the same time. They would want to get the early adopters to gain an early user base and get sales in for the holiday seasons.
A competing business should just LET the other take complete control of the market. This young generation is in trouble.
Great guess in me not knowing your age...your comment doesnt do you justice if you are older.
I still say MS will announce that the Nextbox will be available right away during their E3 conference regardless of its readiness for market. Especially if they officially announce it in April.
my old game crazy store had A shelf full of refurbished xbox's.
New xbox coming 2013.
Many people believe, Sony Ps4 reveal, all other gaming world stop. This its a ridiculous mentality. Big mistake.
http://nextbigfuture.com/20...
Blah, blah, blah, we've heard it all before. Microsoft butts heads with a lot of companies, and Sony didn't even show off the PS4 or commit to final specs yet, what the hell would be the thinking in holding off? lol
No.
Yeah, something tells me that's not what MS is thinking.
OK, lets pretend the currently leaked spec is true, Microsoft plan B is to sell it $100-$150 cheaper than the PS4, make their system backward compatible, and market the heck out of it, and they are back in business, as usual.
Anyway MS had to release the 360 before Sony because Sonys brand had too much pull. They would have been easily overshadowed coming out at the same time even if they had specs that were equal or superior to Sonys.
This time around the XBOX brand is a lot stronger. The Sony brand is still very powerful but the XBOX brand is no slouch now either, they will at least get a look or 2. They could technically delay but I say Sonys brand is still too strong to play with.
If they can release I say release but if they need more time then they can take it, just make sure you show something that people wont mind waiting for.
neither is Sony forcing Ms to launch delay or launch prematurely...the pressure was never on MS to be first to market and unlike what many might believe the pressure was really on SONY. they announced that they will not reveal what they had brewing until MS did so first and inverted that statement by doing the contrary..why?because playing the waiting game with MS after a countdown started by Ms for E3 would be too risky against a company that is better off financially to invest in a console would be foolish(TIME could give MS an advantage ).Sony figured that they had to strike while the iron was hot and announced specs that they conclusively projected would be where MS is or slightly better. this is why Sony never had a system to show ,sure it is a good strategy to hold back on all info regarding the ps4 till e3 2013, but am not buying its the only reason. am guessing they couldn't showed a console if they wanted to cause there was none to show at the moment.it was not compiled and up until then the specs were not finalized my reason to say so was the ram they spoke of was not on display in any tech demo or games they revealed....what Sony showed was very impressive nonetheless and i was blown away, but it kinda takes away from the excitement when it wasn't a collective reveal to sum up or back up physically with what verbally was revealed.am not saying they wont delivered on what they are saying but like grandma used to say "the proof is in the pudding". reports have said that MS is on the verge of revealing their console as well,is it because Sony had already done so and MS needs publicity to not sink in all the excitement buzzing all over the globe about PS4?maybe, but nonetheless its exciting times for gamers right now and then and only then can the poker game truly begin after all players have shown their hands...competition breeds excellence and gamers all over the globe will have the time of their lives playing on the system of their choice and experiencing the NEXT GEN
Microsoft WILL be releasing the Nextbox this year.