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Submitted by Theyellowflash30 1078d ago | opinion piece

Microsoft and Sony are Closer to Going Third-Party than Nintendo – Lets get the Facts Straight

Playeressence's Furious Francis cross examines Michael Pachter and Cliff Bleszinski's claims that Nintendo will go third party in the future, just how well did the PS3 and Xbox 360 do financially? (Cliff Bleszinski, Industry, Michael Pachter, Microsoft, Nintendo, PS3, Sony, Xbox 360)

onyoursistersback  +   1078d ago
Nintendo is just upset that no 3rd party developers are taking them Seriously with there Wii U!!!
Theyellowflash30  +   1078d ago
Since when has Nintendo Needed third parties? Nintendo needs to get there first party games out to sell units.
AnotherProGamer  +   1078d ago
They always needed third party like the reason PS2 sold more than the gamecube was because of the huge PS2 library
Theyellowflash30  +   1078d ago
Sorry, I meant to say Nintendo needs first party software now. Just like the 3DS did when everybody said that system was doomed. Nintendo is getting some good third party games in March with Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Need for Speed Most Wanted, and The Amazing Spider Man.
Roper316  +   1078d ago
they need to get their 1st party to make more the just Mario, Zelda & Mario spinoffs. They need their 1st party to make some games aimed at just a adult gamer along with the all ages games. jmho
phntom  +   1078d ago

You mean "Port Hunter 3", "Port Speed Most Wanted" and "The Amazing Spider Port". C'mon dude, MHTri is a good game but there are so many ports of it, that I doubt it will sell a lot on WiiU. NFS and ASM are didn't even sold well on PS3 and Xbox, what makes you think they will sell on WiiU?
Merrill  +   1078d ago
Nintendo was at their best/strongest with all out 3rd party support. The Super Nintendo days were their best, by far... In my opinion, of course.
user3915800  +   1078d ago
All consoles need third party games, we buy consoles to play games on them and the more you have the better.

Francis might be mad due to comment posted, but the truth is they are right, wiiu its doing awfully, even Nintendo drop the forecast, shares went down, they reconfigure wiiu business with handheld and 100s has been let go from their positions.

Do anyone need more sign that nintendos wiiu its in trouble? Even Nintendo president admited and said we are not doing as we expected and the reason we low down production.

BEST NNTENDO CAN DO ITS KILL THE CONSOLE ALREADY AND EITHER come up with a console to challenge next gen or kill the wiiu and keep the handheld business. Just stay handheld and stocks goes back up because its your healthiest market, and go third party to the other 2 console.

I dont see any other way to place it, a little too late. Just make a new console with wii and wiiu compatability to satisfy does that bought games for it and just simply make the new console a beast.

Call the new console WII 2 Super WII Beast.
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Larry L  +   1078d ago
I know this will be an unpopular view, but I personally always wished (well....since I've moved on from being a Nintendo gamer, SNES was the last Ninty console I owned and loved) that Nintendo would actually go 3rd party themselves like Sega. Sega got forced into it pretty much, and imo they don't heve enough great IPs to be a HUGE 3rd party dev. But Nintendo could actually CHOOSE to be 3rd party, and their IPs are good enough where I think they could actually make MORE money putting those IPs on other (better) hardware.

I have no interest in going back to Nintendo, at least not in the foreseeable future. Their new iterations of their classic IPs don't do it for me. But they could get their fill of my money by releasing Nintendo Classics on PlayStation. I know it will never happen, but if I got my wish I'd be able to play the original Marios, Punch-Out!!, A Link to the Past and so on, on a console I actually own....Vita would be IDEAL. Judging by how much I enjoy MegaMan 1-3 on Vita, all those game would be better than ever.

Like I said, I know it will never happen (unless Wii U hurts Nintendo even more than I think it will), but realistically, it's the only way Nintendo would ever make money off this old-school gamer again.
Qrphe  +   1078d ago
They needed them during the N64 and GC days. The lack of them was the reason they took a different approach with the Wii in the first place.
Mounce  +   1077d ago
Well I'm still hoping that there's a day that the Nintendo fanbase realizes that all Nintendo has been doing with their software lineup, is milking Mario games 5x harder while pumping out the same IP over and over and over and I re-ask this over and over, what was the last IP Nintendo themselves made, my last recollection is Pikmen(Originally on Gamecube...). What new franchises had Sony made or Microsoft made this generation? or the last? fucking TONS.

Nintendo takes 'Risks' only by handing out their IP's to other studios to try to spice up their IP's in ways that they themselves cannot do without fearing that the milking of nostalgias' tits will infact go dry....hence why Metroid Prime happened and thankfully did well. The second attempt didn't seem to be met well though with Metroid: Other M. Mario games are no longer being passed around and Zelda, ever since Mario Hotel and many other disasters, or SAYYY....Link: The Faces of Evil, Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon on CD-i -_-...

"Lets get the facts straight?" rofl.
3-4-5  +   1077d ago
It would cost Nintendo money to Drop the Wii U and stop producing consoles more than it would save, given what they have invested in research and the actual manufacturing.
Moonman  +   1078d ago
Nintendo has Watch Dogs coming and hopefully GTA V. They sell more first party than anyone! 3DS is already over 30 million sold even before Pokemon X and They have over 10 billion in the bank!

silly fanboys.....
2pacalypsenow  +   1078d ago
IF GTA V is current gen it won be on the wii U why waste time and $ in development when everyone will be playing it on Xbox 360/Ps3 and maybe Pc/Ps4 /Next Xbox
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DarkBlood  +   1078d ago
in that case why waste time making it for ps4 and next xbox when its just about the same amount of effort to put it on the wiiu?

that is why you fail :P
HammadTheBeast  +   1077d ago
They won't put the effort in yet for a PC version cause they're so busy with PS3/Xbox 360, what makes you think that they've even thought of other consoles?
Genuine-User  +   1078d ago
Don't be stupid.
HarryMasonHerpderp  +   1078d ago
This guy just seems like he's mad about the comments by Cliff when he shouldn't be because Cliff has been talking crap for a while now. Just ignore him.
I'm pretty sure Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will be making hardware for many years to come.
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PeaSFor  +   1078d ago
to resume, the guy who did this blog is simply butthurted.
dee-ecks  +   1078d ago
Nintendo will go 3rd party looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooong before Sony does.
OhReginald  +   1078d ago
Im sorry but i can't support nintendo if they keep on doing what they are doing...mario- zelda- mario -zelda- metroid- mario- kirby- zelda - mario - donkey kong- mario - zelda- metroid- mario- BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!
eferreira  +   1078d ago
you forgot pokemon lol
AsimLeonheart  +   1078d ago
You are absolutely right. That is the same problem I have with Nintendo. They do nothing besides those franchises listed by you and Nintendo fans continue to buy them decade after decade...
mshope10  +   1078d ago
buddy don't act like you support Nintendo.cause only people who don't own Nintendo systems thinks that's the only games they make.
torchic  +   1078d ago
what other games do they make?
MadsWare  +   1077d ago
Game series from Nintendo:

- F-Zero
- Pokemon
- Animal Crossing
- Luigi's Mansion
- Super Smash Bros
- Pikmin
- Fire Emblem
- Star Fox
- Advance Wars
- WarioWare
- Wii Fit
- Wii Sports
- Rhythm Heaven
- Punch-Out
- Doshin the Giant
- Pilotwings
- Brain Age
- EarthBound
- Ice Cimber
- Balloon Fight
- Excitebike
- Nintendogs
- Steel Diver
- Pushmo
- Picross 3D

Game Nintendo helped publish & develop:

- Xenoblade Chronicles
- Lego City Undercover
- The Wonderful 101
- Bayonetta 2
- Chibi-Robo
- Baten Kaitos
- Geist
- 1080° Snowboarding
- Eternal Darkness
- Wave Race
- Fortune Street
- Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
- Professor Layton
- Dillon's Rolling Western
- Golden Sun: Dark Dawn
- Electroplankton
- Elite Beat Agents
- Another Code
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just-joe  +   1078d ago
If Microsoft and Sony had the franchises the Nintendo had, you better believe they'd be doing the same thing. They keep making them because they sell, quit bitching because they don't appeal to YOU.
silkrevolver  +   1078d ago
Microsoft would be a terrible 3rd party, IMO.

They hardly create videogame software as it is.
just-joe  +   1078d ago
If it ever happened, Microsoft would probably just go back to Windows and sell of their development companies.
grassyknoll  +   1078d ago
Nintendo has enough money in the bank to make $500 million losses for 20 years, so they're not going 3rd party. If they can make the WiiU successful is another question. Nintendo need to cut the price & get some games out there now, especially with Sony & Microsoft starting to get momentum.
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InTheLab  +   1078d ago
Another case of not understanding how business works...

I think the author even brings this point up, and wonders why Pachter wont answer his questions.
grassyknoll  +   1078d ago
I understand that the WiiU isn't a massive success, but the 3DS is & Nintendo has massive reserves that they can weather a storm for a few years. Where have I gone wrong?
mshope10  +   1078d ago
I'm so shocked a article that tells the truth about Nintendo got on this site!

now watch how many people still listen to patcher when he lives in the twilight zone when it comes to Nintendo.

this was a great article that only had facts and the truth and I bet so many people on this site still think Nintendo is doomed.

that's why I like coming to this site to see what crazy thing people will believe next.
DarkBlood  +   1078d ago
technically none of them are in danger

nintendo has about over 10 something billion in reserve

sony has other divisions in case it doesnt do well

Microsoft also has windows and other things im not aware of

i cant really see any of them going down so im likely open to the element of suprise if they do
dcbronco  +   1078d ago
I furious I read most of Francis' article. He leaves out a lot of information and doesn't understand some of the financial stuff. Sony as a company is turning things around so buying now while the stock is cheap is the way you buy stock. Microsoft is also undervalued with or without gaming. It's been low for years based on the belief that Google or Apple will take over the productivity software business. Let's all grab a blanket and wait with them on that one.

Sony's gaming is the strongest part of the company and now that they are moving beyond the PS3 they are a good buy. They do need to make a drastic change in TVs though. Microsoft still dominates software and people seem to always lump the expense of everything else in the Devices division on Xbox. Xbox has been profitable for several years now. The Devices division has grown to rival the other major divisions in revenue and is getting stronger. And the losses in that division are from things that don't involve products in it(at least in the past) and huge R & D budgets for service, Zune(in the past) Surface(all versions including commercial tables) and Kinect. R & D and advertising is several billion inn that division.
Theyellowflash30  +   1078d ago
Show me numbers to back up your claims
TheFallenAngel  +   1078d ago
I would rather Nintendo to go software only before MS. Nintendo have way better games than just halo.
danny818  +   1078d ago
Patcher stated that he was referring to having the crown of being the big dog. I do see them going software only if they dont change there strategy on the wiiU. There like a old school Japanese kamikaze soldier. I say this because of the 3ds having a bad launch window and the president taking a cut on his own salary. Imagine if they were software only how much they would sell and how much more focus tey can put on their games. Im not an analyst but who know, its not gonna happen very soon but it could happen.
solid_warlord  +   1078d ago
My perception of Wii U is one of kid's toy Games such as Mario are not games i can sit and play and then call myself a man. Im sorry, Wii U doesn't advertise masculinity to me at all.

It seems anti shooter, anti male masculinity. Pro Kids, Pro telletubies, Pro pikacus and Pro cartoony. I migh be getting old but i don't see value of wii u as a grown man. It probably would have worked for me 5-7 years ago but not today.
user3915800  +   1078d ago
I have to agree with you, nintendo to me was thegreatest console ever growing up, but too much of the same pie gets old and if you eat to much, one gets to hate it.

I dont care for most first person shooters at all, as a matter of fact, I hate them. The reason MS does not apeal to me, but they are diversified and keeps me rolling with so many offerings, something nintendo dont have.

Im not the type that plays the same game over and over, I have to try whats new, what is different.

Sony in another hand its a combination of MS and nintendo, they basically steal the ideas from others and make it theirs. They have the most games, but they also has the least amount of quality games as shown in metacritic and game rankings.

I was an early adopter with wiiu, but I know the hardwRE ITS SUPERB in quality.

I only see it as consumers that are cautious, PS4 its definately a buy later on its cycle and not a first buy, their products are always faulty and get fixed on their revisions, always has been.

With that in mind, I dont recommend buying a wiiu for the long haul, buy a PS4 during its down cycles after 2 years, and MS xbox we are still waiting to see what they do, but at least I know they will replace console if it is faulty something I cant say about sony.

If one is to get 2 consoles, the math is simple wiiu and MS xbox. However, sony its a most buy as the last alternative after they get their hardware straight, mark my words PS4 will indeed be faulty, here is a challenge, name 1 console made by sony that was not faulty, there is none.
chronoforce  +   1077d ago
I must interject, Nintendo believe in games that all ages can play of which children are part of and they don't feel the need to appeal to western gamers and their trend to play either sports,action games or ones where you can pick which woman,elf or alien you want to screw.

Sony is as you can see basically an American company if you looked at the some of first party titles they release alone .

Microsoft pretty much defined what it meant to be a hardcore gamer and what a masculine game should look like and Sony followed suit.

A lot of mature games end up like they were designed for adrenal junkie teens, like gears of war, god of war and uncharted, their depictions of reality in the games are just as juvenile as the mushroom kingdom.

The biggest games in the industry are all centered and around violence and this is what gamers use to validate their masculinity, its no wonder when mass killing occur by young men video games is the first suspect. I'm not agreeing with that line thought however.

when you were a kid you had Nintendo so don't you think the kids of today should have them too.
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solid_warlord  +   1077d ago
No ur wrong, kids that go around killing other kids are due to weak retarded laws in America. Im from UK. We play just as much violent games as americans do and yet we don't have kids going around schools and killing each other. This is due to gun control laws we have in the UK. No Uk citizens can own a gun. To even be in a possession of a gun for display at home ect U get five years in prison. Carry a hand gun in the street , upto 10 years. I have played many shooters, never once fantasied about owning a real gun.

Games like gears of war and CoD are made for adults. It clearly states this on retail box. New EU laws might come into place soon to tighten the enforcement. Just because CoD is popular for kids aswell as adults dont mean its for kids. Just like porn, kids watch it all the time but doesn't mean its for kids.

I am ok with Sony/Microsoft trying to get kids and family into there machines with Kinect and Move. Even though those stuff i have no interest at all, as a young man i cannot enjoy such games. I can't help but only play Masculinity based games which is usually shooters provide but its the way it is and Nintendo cannot provide.

Yes, nintendo should quit console gaming and start releasing games for PS4/720 as there consoles are too costly, primitive and does not know how to attract a wider audience.

@mshope10 correction, u are a 29 year old nerd and to even suggest Wii U is more of an adult console than PS3/360 it only proves my point u are a complete loser. Probably a virgin and lack masculinity which is the single biggest issue for some gamers moving on in there lives.
just-joe  +   1077d ago
@ solid_warlord
"No Uk citizens can own a gun"

And yet...
mshope10  +   1077d ago
you must be a kid I'm a 29 year old hardcore Gamer and i love my wii u and playing Mario games.

I don't worry about anything you just said cause being an adult I play what's fun.right now that's Mario u,call of duty,ac3,and Nintendoland.

wii u has more adult games then kid games look it up.and Mario is for anyone to play.

so you are afraid you wont be cool if you play wii u?lol
TongkatAli  +   1077d ago
There is nothing wrong with loving your inner child.
InTheLab  +   1078d ago
Facts are still facts even if you don't like them. The Wii was a fluke that saved N from 3 straight console failures. I don't know why Nintendo fans choose to ignore that fact. Once N has strung together a few more successful consoles, then we can move on from the doom articles. Fact is, the WiiU is doing poorly and N cannot afford to drop the ball this gen.

So I can see why some believe they should go software only on the console side, but their handhelds are industry leaders and people still want them despite what the cellphone fanboys want you to believe. There will always be a Nintendo handheld, but I could see them ditching consoles if they can't emulate the success of the SNES...because catching the Wii might be impossible for them.
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brave27heart  +   1078d ago
Nintendo isnt going anywhere soon. Unfortunately neither is my money. Ive owned nintendo consoles for years. Wii,DS, Gamecube...back to the original NES. Not anymore. Im tired of Mario. Tired of Zelda. All Nintendo do these days is evolve their existing franchises. They're too scared to revolutionise anything. Mario Striker was a fun game but why was it Mario? Why not create a new franchise? Do we need Mario Golf? Mario Tennis? Why not create new characters, new settings? Does a tennis game need to be Mario in order to be fun?

I dont have faith in Nintendo to create fresh exciting experiences anymore. And it cant be left for 3rd parties to do that because honestly they dont have a great track record in Nintendo consoles. My gaming tastes changed as I got older, its no longer enough to have variations on the same theme. Im tired of saving ungrateful princesses or have an adventure hero who's a dull mute. My gaming needs matured. Nintendo hasnt grown with me.

Im sorry Nintendo, Im out.
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Dragos75  +   1078d ago
Nintendo still has a lot of cash on hand, unlike sony. MS can exit the industry and still be ok because windows still runs over 90% of computers around the world. Sony needs this industry more than ever now because their other divisions aren't making a profit and PS4 is like do or die for them.
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SDF Repellent  +   1078d ago
100% agreed. At least someone has logic around here. Sony need the PS4 to succeed more than the others because of their financial crisis.
Theyellowflash30  +   1078d ago
One again, wishful thinking by many people. With no facts to back up your claims. Nintendo isnt going third party. And nintendo has plenty of time to come back with good software for the wii u.
DivineAssault  +   1077d ago
i hope so.. but i dont see many core AAA titles from 3rd party coming
Amigaengine  +   1077d ago
not worth the effort
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