Xbox’s next-gen aspirations were dealt a bloody nose by Sony in New York last week: everyone’s talking about PlayStation 4. Going first works, says Patrick Garratt, and Microsoft has missed a great opportunity.
“We’ve got a year to sell as many of these things as possible.”
Two Xbox bosses bellowed at each other in the aftermath of 360′s Games Convention press conference in 2005. The atmosphere crackled with “go”. Xbox 360 was to beat PlayStation 3 to market and Microsoft knew it had sledgehammered its way into the console industry’s executive bathroom. Chests were puffed. Sony was stuffed. Microsoft benefited greatly from an early Xbox 360 release, especially in America. You have no competition if you’re the only option available.
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Oh wait its next gen when the wiiu comes out.
Wait its next gen when every new console comes out.
WIIU current gen.
For the money PS4 AND 720 are the only 2 next gen.
Next gen is the console you buy for sure, whatever console that might be, case closed.
It seems to me that MS is going to keep pushing for Kinect and I don't like that. But Halo is their bread and butter and they're not going to abandon that fan base. I think they're going to try to quart the more casual fans like they did with last years E3 but I also think they're going to do some cool stuff with their network and software partners. I just hope the system offers enough for core gamers, because they seem to by straying from us.
Of course if MS gets a back to its roots and gets as aggressive as they were to begin this generation then we may have a good competition on our hands.
Who cares no one wants either console for motion control. It's all about the games.
"I'd even argue that kinect is what allowed Sony to overtake MS this generation."
Are you serious?
Kinect is what pushed Xbox 360 sales, because core gamers are already saturated in MS main markets.
I bet the vast majority of core gamers already own an Xbox 360 or PS3. If you haven't, no amount of new IPs is likely to change your mind.
"Sony maintained a much more broad strategy of satisfying all gamers instead of strictly investing in move."
Actually, Sony doesn't appear to have a broad strategy at all. They are strictly focusing on games, and mostly core games with the odd casual game every now and then. PS Move was left to die a quick death.
MS is the one that has a broad strategy, but people fail to see that. Don't people see that the complaint about MS is really them just diversifying their audience?
"Who cares no one wants either console for motion control. It's all about the games."
Tell that to all the Wii owners which outnumbers PS3 or Xbox 360 user base. Tell that to the masses that bought Kinect and made it the fastest selling device and maintained MS price dominance this generation as Sony had to drop their price multiple times to compete. Heck, in Europe the PS3 is actually cheaper than the 250GB Xbox 360 bundle, because they don't sell the core 4GB Xbox 360 only bundle.
It's a myth people don't want motion control. They aren't just here voicing their opinion!
@ALLWRONG:
"Doesn't the PS4 have a Kinect like device?"
The PS4 has a dual camera, but it is unclear what it's capabilities are. If anything, it will be heavily light sensitive (since it lacks the infrared sensor that Kinect uses) and likely be far more rudimentary due to being behind MS. That is all of course speculation, because Sony hasn't really talked about it. We don't even know if it included in the box by default, which is detrimental to it's success.
That said, we just have to wait and see how this pans out in the next 1-2 years.
The 360 had a firm lead and the PS3 was in crises mode to start this generation. When the PS3 started focusing on actual games and when the 360 lessened their exclusives and how aggressive they were to start this generation the PS3 caught up.. And the PS3 overtook the 360 during the Kenect years of this generation. Talk about who has the broadest strategy all you want, but the PS3 HAS finally sold more consoles then the 360 this generation and overtook them right at the end of it.
"Tell that to all the Wii owners which outnumbers PS3 or Xbox 360 user base."
The Wii U isn't selling. It is considered a flop of a system.. The Wii hasn't been selling. The PS3 has been outselling that console for about a year now. Motion control was a fad. Its over now.
Let's face it Kenect and PS3 motion controls did not capture that market, they only slightly expanded theirs. Thankfully Sony didn't head dive into that strategy.
Here's a question. Since the 360 was ahead of the PS3... How many core gamers did they lose from the Kenect experiment vs how many new gamers did they generate. They kind of did turn their backs on the core gamers.
The Xbox 360 would have been far worse if it wasn't for Kinect.
Let's face it, the Playstation and Sony brand in the rest of the world is far stronger. Almost any place in Europe prefers the Sony brand. It's presence in TV, cameras and so on.
If you take out Japan, which has around 7 million units sold the picture suddenly gets clear. Xbox 360 has almost always been on par in sales as PS3. When the PS3 was released, there was about a 6 million unit gap between the two.
"PS3 HAS finally sold more consoles then the 360 this generation and overtook them right at the end of it."
It still hasn't actually. As of the official last count from each company directly, the PS3 is actually still beind.
"The Wii U isn't selling. It is considered a flop of a system."
It is off to a slow start, but so did the 3DS and look where it is now. On the flip side, PS3 started strong, then weakened and same thing with PS Vita that still is heading downwards.
Point being, it is too early to tell with Wii U. It can still turn around, and we won't know for another 10-12 months or maybe longer.
"How many core gamers did they lose from the Kenect experiment vs how many new gamers did they generate."
I don't know, but I do know MS sold over 20 million Kinects and Kinects is what keeps the Xbox 360 selling. The core gamers in MS main markets are all tapped.
"They kind of did turn their backs on the core gamers."
I think that is mostly fanboy fanatics speaking, because my online friends like me use the Xbox 360 more than ever. To watch Netflix, listen to music, watching ESPN and so on in addition to gaming. We still have plenty of games to play, and I still have that backlog. Still looking forward to Metal Gear Rising, Gears of War: Judgement, Dead Space 2 & 3, Dishonored, Walking Dead and so on.
It's just a small section of people that complain there are "exclusives" specifically as if that is the main criteria what people look for in a game. The general core gamer don't care if it is exclusive or not, only if it is good and if they like the setting.
So get over it!
next gen starts when ps4 is here
It feels like after Wii, Nintendo has been lagging behind in tech compared to their competitors
Lol gotta love the internet, you people are amusing.
We will see if it is the standard by which we judge or not. We will know soon enough.
Sony said next gen started with them cause PS3 was the last to release just as the XboxNext may also be this time around.
Nothing implied meaning more/less power etc
Again, I'm talking in a cards (poker) analogy. But we'll see eventually. Gotta love competition!
The Wii U is a current gen console. So far we haven't seen anything on it that pushes the industry forward.
The fact is Nintendo, since the WII, have been a generation behind and always will be until they hold back - launch last - and beat everyone else on spec AND game content. Can't see that happening.
BIG N dug themselves into this hole by crapping all over the core players who put them where they were, now the casual players have gone back to house cleaning, exercise bikes or scrumping there is barely anyone left to fight Nintendo's corner. And that is entirely their own fault.
And the same COULD happen to MS if they screw up the next box with too much kinnect crap and not enough power/core experiences.
Sony are the only known quantity so far to be 100% focussed on gamers and giving them the spec needed to evolve gaming in meaningful ways rather than mere gimmicks.
And even on that score, move is better than Kinnect and Wii-mote too - back of the net!
Nintendo's next gen started last year.
Sony's next gen will start this year.
MicroSoft's next gen will start when ever MicroSoft releases the successor to the Xbox 360.
And after all these successors releases, they will all be current gen.
Next gen will start when the first system of true NEXT gen launches So Nov will end the cycle. Which means
Wii 1st
Xbox 2nd
PS3 3rd
Sorry WiiU your a lamer.
1st: Wii
2nd: PS3
3rd: 360
The PS3 already passed the 360 in sales, so Microsoft lose once again.
1.Wii (99.38Millions)
2.PS3 (70 million (International Data corporation January 2013 estimate: "about 77 million")
3.Xbox 360 (75.9 Million)
now why would he say it like that? because he knew he could not come out and lie and say we have out sold them. if they actually out sold the 360 there wouldn't be a probably in it.
That plus they are in a good position keep supporting the 360 after the 720 comes out, because both are x86 processors. I personally will have a tough time getting back out of pc gaming now, but I do love that Sony teamed up with Steam since I have a lot of games on their already.
360 sales figures are inflated from that alone, fact, and nobody can differentiate what was unique sales vs 2nd/3rd console buyers due to RROD.
I had a 360 in 2006 and it died - ANA chip as well as GPU, ANA wasn't covered by ANY warranty at the time and it was too costly too justify a repair (that as we all knew wouldn't last anyway) so I had NO choice but to throw my £400 console in the bin! I then bought a PS3 as did a few RROD people I know, but some idiots bought ANOTHER 360 and it died again (and again).
PS3 definitely 'won' this gen, by matching (in reality surpassing) sales AND by having easily the most impressive, best looking exclusives and gamer centric ethos (and free online).
On topic, I hope MS can step to the plate because if not I am going to forced to get a PS4 first.
You yourself in that statement shows why so many people are loving sony and hating on microsoft, I doubt people poke fun at microsoft because they are microsoft. The do it because they are not afraid to jump out and talk about flaws.
i gave them a chance in 2008 wth a brand new 360 to try out forza, guess what? it lasted less then a 3 months. im done.
PLAYSTATION®4
The problem is many of us got burned by them last gen with the whole RROD thing and they now have a LOT to prove that they won't knowingly release sub standard hardware on gamers just to beat Sony to the punch.
I won't rush in to a nextbox sale because of what they did last gen (and the money i lost on them), but PS4 is a no brainer... much better build quality from the off.
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Jack Tretton actual statement was " I think we’re at 77 million sold right now." Never in the article did he say we sold as many as them probably more.
Nice try.
1st Wii
2nd PS3
3rd 360
Next gen starts when a real next gen console comes out. We all know the Wii u is not next gen.
M$ is waiting until April to show something because their trying to regroup after Sony dropped the bomb on the world with the annoucement of the PS4.
M$ has nothing right now. The way those talking heads @ M$ shoot their mouths off they would have showed it by now. They would love to get the jump on Sony again if they could.
There's just one company that needs to regroup and refocus, and it's not MS.
Your pre-emptive attacks on a console that doesn't even exist just reveals your fear and anxiety. Don't worry, you're not alone. Maybe you guys could all start a "please please please don't let the next Xbox be better than PS4" support group, because it's so obvious that's what you're thinking.
Wasn't Microsoft the one who dropped support for their previous system when the new one came out, you don't have to worry about that with Sony.
You also have to realize they are competing with nintendo. Do you really expect sony to give them a two year head start? X box actually didn't outlast the ps3 since most died from the rrod. im surePS3 will still be sold after 360 production stops.
PS4, when it releases is still going to be behind PCs, but only by a slight amount.
The Wii U on the other hand is that far behind, you simply can't call it next gen.
Did that sound cool?
They need to fight to death, in the end it's us gamers who benefits from competition.
the entire network would shutdown and be delayed, this isnt thing of adding hardrive is recreating the entire processor.
But if true, they just need to change the edram, put some 256 Gb/s edram in it like on xbox360, and there goes your bandwidth advantage.
I don't get the hate towards the next Xbox, but hey, this is N4G.
Somehow offering entertainment features is bad now. Even though that was the USP Sony tried to sell with "It only does everything"