"Gamer-rider.com writes--These are just small samples of the bigger picture here. It seems that Sony has made a new enemy by simply stating what will be inside the PS4, and by their fans being simply being happy with the good news. But the reason for all the slandering from the PC crowd still eludes me though. It’s hard to imagine it being something as petty as jealousy, so I’m not ready to jump to that conclusion yet.
So to the PC crowd I ask, what is your gripe with Sony and the PlayStation 4? It seems that the developers who will be making the games are as impressed with the specs as the fans are, so why are you guys unimpressed and so angry?"
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But personally I find a disproptionate amount of PC-only players to a bunch of revolting elitist morons
So when PS4 comes up with system design architecture that offers more of a streamlined approach with little to no bottlenecks in their architecture design and getting all the love by game developers in optimization department. This upsets them big time because they are not getting the love, priority, respect, service for spending all that much amount of money from game developers.
Couldn't of said it better myself
Offcourse there is also the problem of terrible console to pc ports
1. Not every PC gamer buys high end rigs.
2. You can build a 600usd PC around the time of PS4PC launch and it will outperform the PS4PC.
3. PC games are cheaper hence in the end PC gaming is cheaper in the long run. Have fun when none of your older games work on the new box. That itself is a loss worth thousands of USD.
4. If the console architecture is so good then why was PS3 the machine with the most badly optimized games this gen. BF3 input lag, Skyrim FPS issues, COD FPS issues, Mafia 2 no grass the list goes on. Stop kidding yourself its not like consoles have it perfect.
5. Again if console optimization was so good, it would beat 5 year old PCs, 8800GTX says hi again. Still unbeaten by any of current consoles. Same will happen with PS4. Except this time it will be even cheaper on PC to beat the PS4PC. Not to mention all the cheaper games ;-) and BC ;-)
Bottomline Consoles are essentially PCs now, just locked down ones. Sony and MS act as middle men to suckle on royalties for every piece of software sold.
Its a matter of choice some of us prefer freedom vs being dictated on what our machines can do.
1. Agree!
2. Might be my insane country (Denmark), but thats not possible, and it wont be in 6 mounths.. You have to look at the specs again!
3. True!
4. So far off on this one.. Look at the specs! Its a PC! The PS3 had the Cell, which sucked for game devs.. A PC needs more resources because you have so many this running in the background, which means that devs still can't get the optimal out of the hardware. This is much easier on console. And every PS4 is the same, therefore its much easier to optimize for the hardware! PC gaming the devs can't optimize for every different setup, and will loose more on optimization..
5. GFX card was terrible on PS3.. Agree.. But we don't know how the PS4s card will be. Biggest problem with PS3 was the RAM, and going from 512mb to 8GB DDR5 is quite a jump, and it will be pretty future minded..
When you buy a console, you don't have to think about upgrading when a new game comes out.. Therefore I love console gaming!
Do you actually believe all that you just said??
First off, it's called PS4. Not PS4PC. Second, who said that it won't support older games? The PS3 can play PS1 and PS2 games so it's very likely that the PS4 will play PS1, PS2 and PS3 games.
PS3 is a 7+ year old technology who can you even compare it with todays PC tech?? It had bad ports because some developers couldn't utilize the system properly. But look at exclusive games and you'll see that it's crap that the PS3 is not capable of great graphics. Just look at Killzone 2, 3, Uncharted 1,2,3, Gran Turismo 5 and tell me the PS3 isn't capable of great graphics.
Consoles aren't PCs still. The main focus of a console is to play video games. The PC's main focus is not to play video games. The difference are very big
You PC guys are soooo butthurt because how great the PS4 looks that it's pathetic. Because so far all you got is graphics and now that being taken away it hurst you deep inside and you are rolling around in your little troll cave that your most precious argument is gone. So now again you have to go back to the bs argument that PC games are cheaper yet no prices are announced for PS4 games or the system. But as far as price goes, most PS3 games drop $10 in 2-3 months after release and $20-30 within 3-6 months of release. So if you can wait a bit you can get those games for even cheaper than on PC. So just stop with the bs that pc gaming is cheaper. I know real pc gamers and they spend a shitload of money on their rigs. New gaming mouse, keyboard, video card, more ram, larger hdd, etc, a new video card alone costs $600 which is way more than a console and that is just a single hardware that won't play games by itself without other hardware. So just be quiet with this stupidity.
There's a lot of strawmen in your arguments but let me respond to them directly.
"If the console architecture is so good then why was PS3 the machine with the most badly optimized games this gen. BF3 input lag, Skyrim FPS issues, COD FPS issues, Mafia 2 no grass the list goes on. Stop kidding yourself its not like consoles have it perfect. "
Why regulate yourself only to the PS3? It's a known fact that many 3rd party developers underperform, considering your stance on "consoles" you would have at least have the decency to place forward the 360 as your standard. Those games you've mentioned happened to properly "optimized" on the 360 while both the PC & PS3 (especially) got the shaft.
"Again if console optimization was so good, it would beat 5 year old PCs, 8800GTX says hi again. Still unbeaten by any of current consoles. Same will happen with PS4. Except this time it will be even cheaper on PC to beat the PS4PC. Not to mention all the cheaper games ;-) and BC ;-) "
Console optimization goes beyond the standard of an equivalent GPU which is a fact. You can't just choose the "best" out of the cards at that time and then to have selective dissonance to strengthen your position to be infallible in that regard.
In short, everything else you have said is just plain obvious. To wave the PC mantle pretending nobody is aware of it's advantages is just another projection to stroke your ego. You should be happy that the PS4's specs is revealed the way it is as it sets a higher benchmark on the default PC standard than it was previously.
Exagerations go both ways .
If consoles werent well optimized , how come they can still run even gimped versions of stuff like Farcry 2 , 3 and the likes of Crysis 1-3 .
Sure it's a far cry from a mid to good pc machines , but i have yet to see any pc run those as well with only say 256 to 512 gb of ram .
Other than that point i can agree with the rest .
Years later when the pc justice league was created they vowed to keep justice and order against consoles by hacking PSN, pirating old console games, and praising the xbox.
See that story there, that makes about as much sense as the hate PS4 gets from PC fanboys.
2. Hardware prices vary from country to country, in general looking at the PS4 specs, we can build something simular today around 600usd.
4. How do you know the PS4s CPU wont suck for games development. Its based of AMD Jaguar which is designed for mobile hardware and is known to be much weaker than Desktop parts.
5. Again how do you know PS4 wont run into bottlenecks of its own. You dont know that yet until development starts. PS3 looked invincible before release, 8800gtx ran circles around it.
@Ares4u
Its confirmed PS4PC wont be running PS1, PS2 or PS3 or even PSN games. To do that they will need to include hardware from the older consoles. Which they cant due to costs.
PS3 is 6 years old, 8800GTX is about 6 years old, 8800GTX beats it. 500usd PCs of today will run cicles around PS3, expect same to happen to PS4 very shortly.
PC gamers arent butthurt infact its a victory for us that now console makers finally embrace a more PC like architecture.
Why do you compare 600usd GPU to a part that is hardly worth 200usd in the PS4? compare apples to apples and no PC gamers dont buy Keyboards, Mouse, Casings, HDs every time we upgrade. My Keyboard, casing, mouse are well over 5 years old and i dont intend to upgrade them either.
Check Steam GMG discounts, console game prices are a joke in comparison, specially since there is no BC on them.
@Baka
Sure you wont get a PC with 512MB running any of those games, however thats because the PC has an OS to run. It would be silly to expect that to work.
Thats not necessarily a bad thing, since PC by default always has had higher specs. You couldnt design a PC with console Specs even back when current gen launched.
Having said that A PC from PS3s time aka 6 years back will play Farcry 2 better than the PS3, just equip it with a 8800GTX and watch the show. I personally seen 8800GTX run farcry 2 in 1080p Maxed out doing around 35fps.
While consoles do get better optimization its not leagues ahead of PC, like people believe it to be.
the ps4 bested all top end pc games especially crysis 3 which is the best looking game on pc but the ps4 did it with a game that is not close to being finished. killzone sf is the best looking game and it wont be out for another eight months
Well said and spot-on.
@T900
A lot of what you said were pretty obvious facts and most of the rest was just crap that stems from lack of understanding.
The simple fact is that PC fanboys don't hate consoles. What they hate is the idea that anyone wouldn't consider the PC the almighty end all/be all gaming platform, and by extension themselves as the ultimate gamers. It's an ego trip. It always has been, it always will be. It's the same thing with console fanboys and hearkens to the notion that if you own something of superior quality, you are a superior individual. That's why PC gamers think console gamers are "casual" because they don't spend hundreds on parts to build a PC, thus they don't care about gaming as much as PC enthusiasts allegedly do. That's why console fanboy X will brag about the graphical superiority of their favoured console against console fanboy Y.
Guaranteed you will NEVER find a thread ANYWHERE on the internet that even HINTS about PC without someone brining up specs and cost the same way car enthusiasts do. NOWHERE!
Who confirmed it?? Show me a link of an official announcement! And just because you don't upgrade your PC (which I'm sure you do but you just want to bs as most pc gamers) doesn't me other pc gamers don't. As I said I know hardcore PC gamers and they spend a lot every 8-10 months on their rigs.
You are just pulling bs out of your ass son.
Also, you are again comparing PC of today to the PS3 which is 7 years old kid. Why do PC gamers still do that and than you say compare apples to apples?? Don't make me laugh.
Than who said you need hardware to run PS1, PS2 and PS3 games??? You can emulate them with software just like PS1 and PS2 games are on the PS3 right now smart guy. There is enough horse power in the PS4 to do all that.
So stop bs-ing please because you look really, really stupid.
Furthermore, they think that systems of average power "hold back" high end PCs, as if it would ever make sense to cater exclusively to, or give special attention to, the small rich gamer group. Keep dreaming, Scrooge; the "surplus population" combined has more money and volume than you and the boys down at the stock market.
Compare a $600 system built in 2006 (with 512mb of RAM) and then tell me if it could possibly run games at the same level as The Last of Us.
That is the difference between consoles and custom built PCs optimization.
Though from a certain perspective I can understand why PC gamers would be upset that the vast majority of good games were only ported over to the PC as an afterthought this generation. I mean good god, DX11 will be the second straight generation of DirectX that has basically gone down the crapper simply because developers refused to put any extra time into the PC ports for their console-centric games.
Pc gaming is only expensive for idiots that cant build their own pc. If you fall for Dell's marketing scemes or any Major pc builder you should know those pc's have huge markups on the components. Anyone that buys a alienware needs their head examined. All the major Pc builders, geekbox,doghouse, or whoever are crooks. I can build any of those Pc's for 1/2 or 1/3 the price. Build your own pc and it will never cost you more than a console. Because used pc parts sell well. When i upgrade i sale my parts on ebay and i easily have like 600 bucks to build me a new pc for 600 bucks. Alot of time i have 100 or so dollars left over so i can buy a little better gpu,cpu, or power source than i planned.
I run all my games on ultra settings easy. Upgrading is easy if you bought quality parts to start with. Then when those parts go out production the used ones sale for almost retail price of the new ones when they launched. Just look at the nividia cards and amd cards from last year that are out of production they are selling for 300 plus dollars for midend cards.
Oh for example i sold my motherboard on ebay for 90 bucks 2 weeks ago. Im upgrading my rig but the motherboard is 130 brand new and its 2 years old.Yet i still got 90 bucks for it. You can get your money back easy by parting out your builds.
Oh also i sold my AMD 1100T x6 cpu for 180 dollars as well used.
I prefer each platforms having their own dedicated devs to push each platform to the limit to get the best. That is why i own multiple platforms.
With Bizzard and Crytek focusing on console. It is obvious that their games have suffered. We have also seen it with infinity ward etc.
http://i.imgur.com/yOntBeN....
I do dislike people who have no clue what they are talking about though, lap up hype, and make ridiculous statements that obviously are either to incite arguments or mislead ever more unlucky readers.
You can explain something extremely simply on this site but you'll still get disagrees from people with practically zero knowledge, just for the hell of it.
I'm sorry, but that comment is just all kinds of stupid...
PC gaming is cheaper bec you can pirate every new game that comes outs. =)
So tell me where you buy these cheap pc games?
Let start with Skyrim as you mentioned... $60 on steam. OK then COD... $60 on steam. Well then how about bioshock Infinite...$60 on steam.
Borderlands2 $60 on steam.
XCOM , only $50 on steam ...what a deal.
I could go on and on, and those cheap indie games that you're probably refering to ,quite a few of them end up on psn and xboxlive.
When it comes to cheap games you don't have an arguement.
I don't know where you're from , but there is no way I could build a $600 computer and even try to call it a gaming rig, that's the biggest joke I have heard yet. A good mid range gpu and psu is going to take up atleast 2/3rds of that $600. let alone a cpu ,ram , os , case , ...it just doesn't add up.
Sorry bud, but you're trying to hard with this one.
They are also hating because we are happy with sony using PC architecture, some of them think we should build our own gaming PC since its basically a playstation PC but they once again fail to comprehend the reason why we are happy with a dedicated next gen console that can play tons of exclusives.
I also thought more 360 gamers would hate but right now on youtube its all about the PC boys lol its hilarious how they all think we should choose power over exclusives. I cant play Power on a graphics card but I can play the next AAA exclusives from sony.
That doesn't mean it's more technically impressive
To the article. It's extremely obvious that PC owners are simply responding to incorrect claims that the Ps4 is somehow more powerful than a mid-high gaming PC. When you hear something that is incorrect, which is then agreed with by a large amount of people...it makes you realise that they simply feel for hype again and will blindly BS about their product because they think it's something special. If someone tells you Halo is the most awarded game in History....you feel compelled to correct that BS. PC gamers hear "Ps4 is caught up with PC" and PC gamers(or anyone that knows about the technology) respond "No actually...no it hasn't...at all actually" somehow translates to PC gamers hating PS4.
PC 'elitists' don't hate Ps4. They hate the ignorant fanboys who think 8GB's of Ram is something special.
you sir are one of the only people with a pure mind in here. i salute you, and i along with millions of pc gamers agree
how could they say killzone looks better than maxed out crysis 3 (let alone 1)?? the ignorance is through the roof. i can't wait until digital foundry does a head to head, crysis 3 ultra pc v killzone 4. see what they say then, they probably say that its not about console power or graphics, its about gameplay.
ignorant blind morons.
And what idiots like you don't get is that to run crysis 3 on ultra you need a 1k+ rig compared to a $600 (worst case senario) console. I built my rig about a month ago and I spent around $1200 and it's only a 3570k and a gtx660Ti with 8gigs of ram.
Considering the top selling PC game of all time is 'The Sims', it seems that developers looking to maximize profits are better channeling their energies into the real 'PC Hardcore Gamers':- teenage girls.
Joking aside, I have had my fair share of top notch PC rigs in my time but have always had a thing for consoles too.
I like the whole getting more than the sum of its parts thing and consider engineering and elegant, efficient coding preferable to brute force horsepower doing all the hard work. It's why the Demo scene has been slowly dying.
"how could they say killzone looks better than maxed out crysis 3 (let alone 1)?? the ignorance is through the roof."
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Talk about ignorance. Now, I'm not going to argue whether Crysis 3 or Killzone: Shadow Fall looks better. However, I'm sick and tired of people bringing up Crysis 1 all the time. The game is OLD, and by today's standards it looks like fucking SHIT. Yet you guys keep putting it up on a pedestal as if it's some holy grail of PC gaming.
The game isn't special anymore, it's been far surpassed by many games. Get over it. You have to slap on Rygel's 2+ GB texture pack just to bring the game up to today's standards.
If you really think Crysis 1 looks better than Killzone: Shadow Fall then you need to go see an eye doctor. And don't give me that shit about scale because scale has no place in a graphics debate.
And here, to illustrate my point, a screen to show what vanilla Crysis really looks like. It doesn't look so graphically impressive without any mods slapped on.
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In all honesty, I hope we won't get too many straight PC ports otherwise we'll end up in the same situation we had with PS3 exclusives and 360 ports.
For example butter smooth KZ Shadow Fall vs. Watch Dogs which tears all over the place. Fix it Ubi.
I just feel that pc owners should sometimes refrain from chipping in , when it's a console focused convo . Even if it's about who got the bigger d*ck and best graphs .
It's pretty much like a ferrari owner coming to brag in a conversation and brawl between 10000 -15000 $ cars owners . It makes them look petty and pathetic
Not everyone has a 1500usd monster PC.
When you can run a game at 1600@60fps with various effects , why do you care to brag against a machine running it barely 720p@30 minus most of those effects ?
Wich is exactly what some bitter folks loves to do
The main "grudge" PC gamers have is with developers and publishers, not the consoles (and their owners). Publishers push developers to make games for the consoles since that market is much more "controlled" in terms of piracy and, since it is already a gaming-only system they have a predetermined audience (number of systems sold = easier to predict and gamble). On the other side, everyone owns a PC. Everyone is a potential gamer though it comes with a price - they might simply pirate out their game or don't have any interest in it what so ever. So, their safest bet is to continue to support the console market and focus all their efforts on making their games BEST on that particular platform. The grudge here becomes apparent - consoles get optimized and well rounded (and unique, system only) games, while PC gamers are handed the shorter end of the stick with horridly optimized and uninspired ports IF and only if the publishers deemed it possible in the first place.
So, there you have it. We (PC folks) don't HATE consoles. WE hate the decision makers that make our gaming desires something short of a nightmare.
And I think the ps4 is some impressive tech.
Fuck me right?
I think it's a little of both, fanboys fueling the fire and actual gamers excited for the future of playstation, this leads some of the more unreasonable PC fanboys to hate....and decent PC gamers seeing fanboys PS4 claims also get vocal.......its a vicious cycle and problem here is fanboy trolls ...ignore em
Maybe if some PC elitists didn't paint this picture to Console fans it would also be less conflict....
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Why do you think that when somebody says something, it includes everybody, even when they don't say anything like that?
It's obviously not ALL PC gamers. Probably not even MOST. But if it were NONE, this subject wouldn't exist.
So why not take the approach of, "Hey, I'm not one of those guys, but they do exist," instead of "Why are you including me?"
Note the author:
If you want to write a article about hate, stop being so single minded. There are stupid fanboys on the console side and on the PC side... with this article you give the idea that you belong on the console side.
I'm a PS3/PC owner. I love both of them, though the last year I've given the PC more love. I got tired of low frame rates, and low res graphics.
I'm waiting for the PS4 and I think it's only positive for the PC, because right now console ports are holding back development of games. With the PS4, porting from console to PC will be much easier and games will be made with much higher specs in mind. I only see this as a benefit for PC.
I will use my PS4 for all the great exclusives and I'll probably use my PC for everything else.
Yeah, well, on paper you could easily build a PC that has far better spec's than the PS4 today. I don't think you'll see much difference on cross-platform games, and I think PS4 exclusives will give any high-end PC a run for it's money.
At the end of the day, they're very different platforms. Where the PC is much more oriented towards real-time Strategy/Tactics, mmo/rpgs, fps, puzzle, simulation.
You have games like League of Legends, EVE Online, Path of Exile, iRacing, Skyrim Online, StarCraft, Civilizatio, Rome Total War, The Witcher, Company of Heros, Guild Wars, Sim City,etc. And of course all the cross-platform games. You don't have many of these type of games on console.
I think that hardware-wise a console will never be able to challenge a high-end PC. Games wise, of course, many console exclusive developers have created amazing games on console.
In any case, I'm a PC gamer. I love the frame rates, resolution, and pure raw power my i7 2600k and GTX 680.
But there's one problem, most of MY favorite games were on the PS3. Even if I dropped $5,000 on a PC, I still won't be able to play Uncharted, GT, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, God of War, Killzone, MGS4, Infamous etc. Again, those are MY favorite games, not to any of you ready to disagree.
The only games I play on PC are multi-platform titles and those rare and few special titles like Starcraft II, Civ 5, and pretty soon SimCity. Don't get me wrong, they are great games too. But not my personal favorites.
Now the PS4, is going to be able to deliver both experiences. Incredible graphics and above all, the game play I crave from a PlayStation game.
And there are some Xbox 360 games that I like and even some Wii games that I like.
The point is, the platform is only one element from gaming, the other is the Developers who create those games and experiences.
As I stated, there will always be developers who will release their products on PC because there is a market there, albeit a shrinking one - but the PC gaming simply doesn't matter anymore. Developers have moved on. They don't really bother with optimizing PC ports, they don't advertise PC games on a large scale - outside of World of Warcraft, LOL and Facebook games, PC gaming is unimportant. If it weren't for Steam or the Free To Play model finding some success on PC, I doubt any bigger developers who have the resources to make console games would even bother with PC anymore.
But no matter which way you slice it, PC gaming isn't the the force it was back in the early 2000's. PC gaming elitists can pound their chests all they want. It's turned into a niche market compared to what it was, with the growth coming from Farmville type casual games that "PC gamers" deride.
We hate that BS hype marketing and the destruction of creativity they're responsible for.
I mean, thanks to consoles we have a COD and an Assasin Creed game every year! Every freaking year!
Second did you ever think that a PC game has to run on a low end PC as well as a high end one? PC's could be said to hold games back just as much as consoles.
Finally if you believe PC is superior, good for you. Doesnt mean you have to knock consoles does it? Be happy in your superior gaming and stop hating on others. I believe my wife is the most amazing woman in the world, I dont feel the need to slag off your partners though just to defend mine. I believe its true and thats enough for me.
ps4 is gonna be able to compete for first few years with PC maybe not all the way high but medium settings for sure and i am hopeful MS makes a great console too
just because some pc fanboys hate on us console owners doesn't matter to me because as a nintendo,ps and xbox owner the exclusives we get they can't get on pc and what's gonna start to happen now with next gen is that a lot of pc exclusive games will be on consoles and some will be dedicated towards consoles so they will cry about how a game changed to better suit console controls
just enjoy games and don't worry these gamers who think they are entitled or special
I'm a 360 gamer this gen and I want a PS4.
If many 360 owners are thinking the same then Sony is going to do very well indeed.
It's because of the fanboys making stupid claims and get over defensive of something they don't really understand. The worst is when they make false statements about PC gaming such as its too expensive. Last time I checked...ps4 isn't backwards compatible with the ps3 library. What if your ps3 dies? You have to buy another ps3.
The only thing I'm really jelly is Deep Down, which is looks fantastic as a live gamaplay.
@CapsLocke, So KZ4 looks like something from 2008? one thing is for sure Ive loved watching PC gamers run scared since 2007.
BTW im waiting for MS to give us next xbox specifications. Will be fun to see all theese morons jumping down each other throats ;-)
it is indeed, whats your point though?
But unfortunately the hatred is a two way street.
ND has taken video games to uncharted territories
i don't get to in PC gaming but i am happy to play both PC & PS.
Yes, some of the PlayStation exclusives are awesome, like UC2, Journey, GT5, etc.
But all the cross-platform games are technically miles better on PC.
That's why I have both.
RAM isn't everything you know. I have 8GB of RAM in my PC now, if I upgrade to 16GB or even 32GB, it's not going to make my games look any better. The PS4 specs are good, but nothing impressive by the time it launches.
AHHH....there it is.
That's what most people said when the PS3 and 360 came out. That's what the console gamers and gaming sites used to beat the crap out of the PC back in 2006. Some PC gamers beat the chest around futilely while some just lowered their head and endured as they watched curiously as Valve flopping about getting some new fangled contraption called Steam online.
For years the PC gamers have to endure the "$500 machine graphics=$1000 machine" logic. Until...DX11 appeared along ultra efficient CPUs and GPUs that don't force you to buy the high end ones to play with more power than the previous generations.
So console gamers stopped chanting the "$500 machine graphics=$1000 machine" logic but replaced it with "gameplay is MUCH more important than sick graphic." Try as they might to sneer at DX11 though, it was inevitable.
Now...I'm seeing the "$500 machine graphics=$1000 machine" chant being revived again with the PS4. It'll get worse in April and when both next gen consoles are out, PC is Dead Part 2 will begin.
So the question is, why all the hate now, was it supposed to be better than PC's? Are PC guys disappointed cos they WANTED PS4 to be more powerful. Thats unlikely.
There is a community of elitist PC gamers who pride themselves on having (in their opinion) 'The Holy Grail' of hardware....So, When anything mass market and affordable console is on par or close to that power, and bags the likes of 'Blizzard' and other notable PC developers they feel threatened.
It's quite ludicrous, but hey.
I don't have a problem with consoles. I was a console gamer before I was a PC gamer. I have a problem with this delusional garbage that a lot of you keep spewing.
for me, the fact that there even is an argument between the two sides is enough proof that Sony has really come up with a special piece of hardware, if they can sell it for under $500. like, a lot of people will debate on who is the better between Kobe, LeBron and MJ. we all know MJ was the greatest of all time but the fact that the argument exists, says a lot about the two other individuals. same situation with high end PCs vs. PS4.
This whole PS4 next gen consoles thing is only gonna do good for PC gamers and console gamers no more bad ports and hopfully full DX11 support.
And if its about consoles having 8GB memory so what memory cheap for pc.
come on stop the hate for thoes who are im sure not as many as people are thinking.
The more powerful the new consoles the better as it will mean the PC will be pushed more as well. That being said I had hoped the PS4 would demolish my existing PC (GTX 580, i7-860 - 3-year-old CPU and 2 year-old GPU), but I think I could run most things fine that have been shown.
Hopefully the Xbox is more powerful.
I have been reading about how more efficient consoles are compared to PCs due to not having to run Windows and other background processes and that they can perform far more drawcalls per second than a PC hobbled by DirectX can even with more powerful GPUs. With those advantages I had hoped for something jaw-dropping considering the advances in GPUs and CPUs since the PS3 and 360, but I haven't seen it yet. But I suppose putting a more powerful GPU in it would cause problems in terms of power consumption, price and overheating due to the smaller cases.
The PS4 just looks like it has caught up with PC graphics; I wanted it to surpass it as it might then give an impetus to PC developers to move beyond Windows holding everything back.
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Tiqila,
That's my point. Consoles set the minimum standards and a lot of developers don't bother to go past them for PC releases (which is understandable due to the benefits of an unchangeable platform).
As a PC gamer I had hoped the standard would be higher than what has been shown with the PS4 as it won't get much better than that now for PC ports for the next 6 or 7 years. But I'm sure Sony have made it as powerful as economically possible.
Your hardware just came affordable three years ago. Why should developers design games for just a hand full of gamers with appropriate hardware?
just because a new graphics card is released there are not beeing made any graphical enhancements in game development until it is considered the standard between pc gamers.
next-gen consoles help to set a new standard. And they set it high!
they shouldnt meddle with this CONSOLE affairs tee-hee
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from the article " It seems that the developers who will be making the games are as impressed with the specs as the fans are,"
Thats the most important thing I've heard in the last two weeks. Seriously if you dont think thats a good thing then I dont get what the problem is.
I like what I saw with Killzone. It looked good. Then the ps3 fanboys came online and started touting the ps4 as the next coming of christ and how we were jealous. JEALOUS? The game looks ALMOST just as good as BF3 at the highest settings. Almost. It's running at 30fps. Still looks good yes, but us jealous is a little stretch. It's only a technical marvel if you haven't been seeing good looking games like that for the past 5 years. We have, and I think that is the point most of us were trying to convey to rabid online entities but you take it as jealousy for the ps4.
It's not jealousy, its just stating the facts.
you can have mods, you can tweaks and tinker your rigs,
you can adjust to super mega ultra godly like settings if you want! but a lot you PC elitists not just here in N4G always brags about how CONSOLES can never match your beloved pcs! we already know that for god sake
yes you state facts about these and about that!
i dont understand anyting about pcs nor these aliasing or tesselation or screen tearing i dont know these aspects oni-chan...
thats why i want to play on CONSOLES..
hassle free no setttings to adjust or not worrying that my game will crash when i see the "bethesda softworks screen" lol
well im not angry oni-chan just be happy for us CONSOLE GAMERS ^_^
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crysis 1 has more texture going on the floor/ground than killzone 4 on the entire screen.
Now we finally get to see console footage of games that look closer to PC games, and we see the same people now saying how amazing they look! now if you have been a console-only gamer these footage would be amazing I agree, but not to PC gamers, it's what games look like to us in the past few years!
No it's not "jealously", any pc gamer that wants a console can just go buy one.
Steam
ps. steambox isnt a console.
One thing i would say is that PC games suck for compatibility etc and needing to upgrade every couple of years to avoid bottlenecks etc are why consoles are the future. For a large majority of people, having to download drivers, upgrade components, deal with viruses and all the other shite that goes with PC gaming is why consoles will always be more appealing to the majority of people.. and i dont blame them. Playing a new release and getting 20fps and realising you have to go and spend a couple of hundred on a new graphics card is quite depressing..
PC gaming will always exist as most games are developed on them at the end of the day but console gaming is a much smoother, less stressful experience and i think alot of people prefer that.
Piracy is not nearly as bad as you think. All platforms have piracy, but it may be slightly higher on PC depending on how you look at it.
Piracy is much more complicated than "just stealing" on the PC.
One might pirate a game as a demo, then decide to purchase it. Or they won't, in which case they wouldn't have purchased it anyway. Few demos are on the PC.
Others will buy a game then pirate it to get around DRM that can actually protect the game from those who bought it legally.
Neither of those reasons are taken in to account by those claiming how bad piracy is on the PC.
The "SteamBox" will only be a mini PC for the living room. I suggest you to listen to what Gabe Newell said about it and "closed systems". He made it crystal clear that he is opposed to the closed system. Its the entire reasoning behind his support for Linux.
No offense, but you know very little about PC gaming. Viruses? Drivers? These are the hassles of PC gaming that those whom have no experience with it use. You clearly only think in console terms. If I get a new release and it runs at 20FPS(which hasn't happened yet), I do what every other PC gamer does, adjust the settings (which is often equated with brain surgery by console gamers).
I'll be honest, I like where the PS4 is heading. Being closer to a PC, to me, means better multi-platform games for both systems. I don't hate consoles, its just not for me. On PC I control my overall experience and its my responsibility.
Yea, consoles are more popular, that's fine. The issue I have is with these outdated and mythical perceptions about the PC.
Post-Diablo 3 I don't know anyone who even plays D3 anymore. I played it for a week. Even before this release Blizzard had been losing their reputation amongst the pc crowd. In my own personal opinion I believe it started with Pandas.
This article only served one purpose btw. to make the top of n4g for hits.
See, I'm not at all an ignorant person, and to be honest I kinda hate the fact I have to spend so much to get absolute perfection in games, but hey, that's just the way I am. The only thing I dislike though, is the fact these narrow minded fanboys have to come on here claiming superiority over something:
A. They know nothing technically about.
B. They are too ignorant to accept.
PS4 IS NO MORE THAN $700 WORTH OF COMPUTER COMPONENTS. And all I hear from fanboys is "Its all about optimization"...idiots.
To put it simply. An exceptional mechanic can make a stock honda Accord run great, but no matter how good he is, it'll never be as fast and advanced as a brand new Ferrari.
We're lowly console gamers are we not? ...so why PC users are flocking the nest is funny in itself...We 'Console' gamers have waited 7 long years for high end games normally reserved for top spec PC's...so go play Crysis 3 on ultra and be happy!
Thank you Sony for making PS4 and ruffling these PC pigeons feathers...Hollaaaaaaa!
@Twignberries
Moi...? Dumbass?? ..thanks for getting personal dude!....you're too kind...and even so, nobody is forcing your hand, mouse and kb to comment here...now I know y'all are spoilt little mouse tapping kids!
In other news: without dissent, an opinion piece has no discussion. A PS4 article is not, and never, reserved for one crowd.
Also, no point in making fun of PC players, brah.
In china however its a different story.
Most pc gamers are better at understanding specs and all that, but most of them overlook at exactly makes a console viable in other words...special.
The ps4 may be using offshelf pc parts and thats okay to pick at, but even so there are parts that are custom. In addition, consoles arent pcs and therefore dont require an operating system like windows to run or there i say hog its memory.
Every aspect of a console is design to simply cater to its main purpose, gaming and nothing outside of that, that requires those fancy specs to be put to the test.
Look, killzone shadow falls is only using a fraction of what the ps4 is capable off doing performance wise. And besides the average consumer who by the way isnt interested in investing continually in the same product outside of content doesnt care. And the simplicity of putting a game is and playing it without worrying if it ill run properly will always resonate with the masses.
PC gaming in my eyes is all about benchmarks, and MMOs and RTS games, everything else at this point in time is preferred on consoles.
PC gamers rarerly fight amongst themselves, even if theres some disparity in specs. Console gamers meanwhile never seem to get along even if the hardware is similar in many ways.
Crazy times we are living in, is all i will say. To much politics.
That is the only thing I have to correct you on. Everything else I either agree or somewhat disagree on but there is no point in a rebuttle.
My point is, theres no need for this misplaced hate. Its nonesense to say the least.
When you build a pc, you are not just upgrading a 200 or 300 dollar graphics card. You also have to consider a motherboard, cpu, ram and all those other variables.
Then they all have to be compatible and you have to make sure the static coming out your body doesnt kill your component. Theres just a bit much a regular person would have to go through just so they can keep up or even brag about running a mediocre shooter like crysis on their rig.
Now, why would anyone would give up what they already have or are getting in a simple package with exclusive content from some of the more recognized gaming studios and publishers in the world for anything else?
It makes no sense, and even if pc gaming were to keep upgrading specs, you could only go so high before realizing that all in all its nothing but a vicious cycle in which top video card makers thrive on.
Its like with anything else in electronics, phones,tvs you name it. everyone wants the best and want to brag about it as well, but time has proven that simplicity and convinience triumph over technical.
Final point is this, consoles are gaming devices and as such are good at that. Pc gamers want to talk about specs and yet their most successful games dont even push the envolope. Blizzard is bringing diablo3 to PlayStation,so what deal with it. Everquest,planetside,dc universe online are games made by SoE one of many Sony branches, now if Activision,EA and Sony wanted to screw you guys they easily do it and then whats left specs and graphics card talk?
Comparrisons are a dozen,yet they are pointless and hold no merrit to whats important. Content, and in which way its enjoyed and by whom.
Just enjoy your platform of choice people.
Stripping women on Skyrim and calling yourselves "elite" after you use infinite health mods will still be exclusive to PC.
The rest of us can jizz over ground textures now, though, so you've lost one exclusive.
As soon as I boot up after putting that big shiny new card in I feel a little disappointed when I come accross a game that doesn't run smoothly on Max settings after parting with $300-$500 (For the GPU alone). I currently have a GTX670 in my rig. I love it, but in my experience of PC building, I have a lot of doubts in regards to the value proposition on spending such money on a card.
Maybe that's where the anger comes from... Some sorta sense of entitlement from spending all that money on a naked graphics card, when you get a lot more bang for buck on consoles. In the days of PS1 and PS2 it made more sense. There were games that you just couldn't have at all with the specs they needed. Levels would have to be smaller, there would be lesser enemies. Now we're talking about some slight change in visual quality....meh.
I'll still upgrade my PC, but not for a very long time. Not until CPU's stop bottle necking GPUs I'm really enjoying games like the Witcher series, but for the most part, I'm finding PC gaming to be a joyless experience compared to the joys an obsolete PS3 has given me. I'd rather put the money towards games and other hobbies.
I just find it so funny when I see an article on building a similar spec PC to the PS4 when you're not going to get the same level of functionality(as well as simplistic implementation of said functionality), quality exclusives and value for money
Titan doesn't count. It's aimed at the open CL crowd and is purposfully priced out side of the market. It's not meant to drive down prices of Mainstream GPUs. Mainstream 700 series cards won't be much faster than 600 series when you think about it.
I still love my PC and my 670 and how it performs playing some games, but I only got it as a stop gap until the PS4 comes out.
Personally I believe PC gamers need to be directing their anger at the PC industry, not the console industry.
Posting a comment here is about the skill level required to update drivers.
Many would simply give up, return the game and think twice about buying games in future on the PC.
Personally I'm ok with the PC although I'm overdue building an up to date rig, for others it's a minefield that is non existent on consoles.
However, whenever a console gamer talks about PC gaming, they make it sound like every game has issues. Acting like the settings menu is written in some alien script, then you have to write your own drivers and perform a blood pact ritual to use Steam. There is no end to the hyperbole.
10 years ago PC gaming was complicated. Its far less so now. My issue is making downloading drivers, getting viruses, or Windows into horribly complicated things, when they aren't.