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Microsoft's Next-Gen Challenge: Exclusivity and the Core Gamer

OnlySP: As the sun sets on the current generation of consoles, gamers have taken up residence on the edge of their seats, awaiting every tidbit of information and whisper of a rumor. Sony’s recent announcement of the PlayStation 4 might as well have dumped a few gallons of gasoline on the growing inferno of anticipation. Detailed specs for both Sony and Microsoft’s next consoles have been analyzed and compared ad nauseam. In spite of all the attention paid to this proverbial tech-phallus wagging, the horsepower fueling the next generation of consoles will have very little impact over which industry powerhouse will see the most success. The reality is that games are the primary motivating factor behind hardware sales and each company’s next-gen strategy, as it relates to software, will be vital. (Microsoft, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

fluffydelusions  +   671d ago
Exclusives and core would be nice but if it was like the latter half of this gen it will be moneyhatting and casuals =\
classic200  +   671d ago
That is what I am worrying about, I almost cant trust them. I feel like they might pull another 360 on gamers. Launch with core games and then slowly focus on kinect using the forteleza glasses technology for casuals half way through next gen.

If microsoft can balance everything core and casual properly then I might be able to see myself get an xbox 720 but right now I dont trust them and it might take the entire next generation for me to actual trust them again if they produce core games yearly like sony.
stage88  +   671d ago
Exactly how I feel.
I just can't trust Microsoft. I'm willing to bet their launch line up is good but I don't want to spend my hard earn money on their console only to find two years down the line they've switched back to casual gaming like they've done with the 360.

I will get a PS4 though because Sony have 3 generations of hardcore gaming which I can rely upon.
EVILDEAD360  +   671d ago
Exclusives was never a real issue in for Micrsoft then and it isnt now.

MS only has to satisfy its core fanbase that supports it's games by the millions and that is all that matters.

They already have one of the strongest line-ups of core franchises and system sellers in the industry.

What matters for next gen exclusive wise will be:

- A strong core of exclusive existing IPS

- A core line-up of New IP. They publicly have pusheed that there are 4 new AAA exclusives in the pipe and we shall see which ones they are at E3.

- A line-up for casual to support Kinect. They already have 2-3 IPs that are strong on the Kinect side that will have a chance to succeed next gen.

The key improvement is they are launching with a Blu-Ray so that evens the odds in that regard.

What could make or break the MS in terms of the install advantage they have in their key regions is the backward compatability.

If they have it at launch, the 720 wil fly off the shelves.

Evil
adorie  +   671d ago
TBH, I really hope Microsoft wises up and focuses on the core. Maybe the casual audience they're focusing on right now is just because they feel thats what will make them the most money, going into next-gen.

They could repeat the cycle and go fierce as next-gen kicks off.
Tito08  +   670d ago
Honestly, I think Microsoft might get their focus back on the hardcore gamer, targeting them as their first console adopters, & when they get a good enough instal base, then they go after the casuals, sounds like a dirty & smart strategy to me, cause they likely got the memo that the hardcore are complaining a lot about the lack of new hardcore IPs, & at the same time they still want those soccer moms to spend $$$ for their products!
Gildarts  +   671d ago
Man just look at the number of untitled projects and you will be rest assured that Microsoft won't disappoint us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

They will keep the Xbox 360 for casuals and Xbox 720 for core.
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NYC_Gamer  +   671d ago
MS will offer core exclusives since they have to please the first crowd of supporters dropping $400-500 on the machine..
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egidem  +   671d ago
Couldn't agree more. They'll do this for the sake of momentum. They know core gamers will always buy the console at any price at launch, before the mainstream casuals jump on the train too.
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joab777  +   671d ago
I dont agree. I used to but i have a new perspective. I think that MS saw what the wii did and what phones and tablets are doing and decided that the money simply isnt in AAA titles. Who am i to argue. MS probably feels that through windows 8 and the kinect they can tap into the tablets market while determining the way we use pcs in the future...and casual gaming will bankroll this. They are gonna take on the wiiU head to head with better tech and a cheaper price point. The icing on the cake will be all those that love the xbox brand. They will roll out 1st and 3rd larty titles and pay fkr exclusivity to keep hardcore gamers at bay, but their objective isnt going to be becoming the biggest most bad ass gaming machine that competes with pc for hardcore gamers. They will want to get alot of these consoles in ppls houses early on so the price is going to be astonishing, i believe. i know i am just bloviating lol, but its fun.
MikeMyers  +   671d ago
We've seen Microsoft surround themselves with proven franchises like Call of Duty and Gears of War while slowly distancing themselves from less successful games like Lost Odyssey and Kameo. This is what worries me, they seem to be taking very few risks with ip's they market and support.

The Xbox 360 came out pretty strong with hardcore titles that were exclusive like Condemned and Crackdown. We seen that deteriorate over the years. Perhaps they also see Sony struggle with that and have many exclusives that are not big sellers. At least they take some risks. The other problem with exclusives is you don't have as many potential customers to sell to because they usually only sell to a single platform. That's why timed exclusives and DLC became so common instead.

So the question is, do they compete with someone like Sony based on exclusives or do they try and offer a different direction? Nintendo likes to beat to their own drum and I think the market might be better off having 3 different systems that offer 3 different experiences. Sony kind of takes the interest of the Wii U with the Vita combo but Nintendo still has the advantage of asymmetrical gameplay out of the box with every system. The PS4 also seems to advance itself into Kinect territory so they seem to be covering everything. But Kinect had more success (in sales) because Sony wasn't using Move as their main focus like Microsoft did for a couple of years.

Microsoft will need some convincing on their part for me to continue to support them. What I have seen of the early showing of the PS4 is very promising to me, let's see if Microsoft can do the same.

Microsoft can no longer expect Live members to simply stay because their friends are there. Nor can they rely of 3rd party publishers now that Sony is working much closer to them and made a system they want. That means exclusives and some different form of a gaming experience will come much more into play than every before. Aligning themselves with apps and social gaming isn't going to do it imo.
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Sharp  +   671d ago
M$ doesn't feel, it's a corporation. They look at statistics obtained through market research and act according to the numbers.

My guess is, that all companies are going after different markets. Sony tries to expand hard core market and grab it by the balls, while Microsoft goes for casual + TV box + services (basically Wii, but with kinect and loads of desperate drum banging and fanfares in their family ads). Nintendo is most likely going to fall, unless something miraculous happens.

Now, what makes this whole scenario interesting: China. Japanese technology sells well in China; Chinese people blindly hate everything Japanese, with the exception of Japanese tech (and porn,anime,manga and drama), so PS4 has a good chance to expand the market there and do something phenomenal. Plus, gamers are young in China (around 20-35 years old), usually Uni students so they have money (only elites go to Uni in there) and they are informed enough to avoid blind rage and propaganda. They just want to play games.

I honestly believe that the core market will be 1.5-2x bigger than last time around (expecting total of 400-500 million sales for all three + handhelds). Only if China is part of the equation, however. Latin America and some other Asian (including middle-east) countries with emerging economies might increase the overall business as well. (although mobile devices are what they prefer now, they act as a gate towards core experiences)

I'm no analyst, but I am a biz man. And this is just how I see it from a business point of view.
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I think it needs kinect to work according to the guy whos door they busted down.. Also he might get 20 years to life for leaking 720 documents. Which is bull.

"Allegedly, SuperDaE could be looking at 20+ years in prison with a possible consecutive life sentence if convicted."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

I wondered if they considered death penalty for this also.
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Knight_Crawler  +   671d ago
Actually he could go to jail for a very long time.

"Considering its civil laws in this area weak, in 1996 the US Congress enacted the Economic Espionage Act, which criminalised industrial espionage. The Act provides for action to be pursued outside the US if necessary and increased penalties from ten to 15 years maximum imprisonment."

http://www.aic.gov.au/media...

Corporate espionage is no laughing matter and MS is a USA company so America will not allow for other countries to steal MS or Apple secrets - plus the FBI is also trying to charge him for other hacking matters and for trying to sell the the Durango kit on Ebay - that alone is 3 years in prison.

Technology is key and the country that posses the most modern tech will always be on top...look at Korea trying to build a long distance missile rocket but have failed - the USA has rockets that can reach from here to the moon but we no nothing about it.

Edit: In Iran or other Arab countries what SuperDAE did would be considered treason and is punishable by death but not in AMERICA.
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JohnnyBadfinger  +   671d ago
Well considering it happened here in Australia. He will get a smack on the wrist maybe a damages fine... and probably a job out of it. He wont get jail time and wont be extradited to America... our government wont allow it and he will be defended ferociously by them. And because these crimes all happened on Aussie shores Microsoft America cant do shit... other than sue... but thats where Microsofts Australian division will take over.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   671d ago
@NYC spot on, MS will have to please the crowd of supporters first. And not only that, but MS obviously has a line up of core games anyway.
greenpowerz  +   671d ago
Core gaming has never been an issue there has been enough exclusives. Sure not tons of shovelware to fluff up lists.
PirateThom  +   671d ago
I sold my 360 due to lack of exclusives so, no, there wasn't remotely enough.

Two or three exclusives games that are even remotely interesting does not make for a good exclusive line up, especially when it's Halo, Gears of War, Fable and Forza and nothing else..

The shovelware has become 360's biggest problem since Kinect released.
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greenpowerz  +   671d ago
Sold my PS3 after I beat Killzone when it came out. sat there for a few days and got rid of it. Games are not fun and over hyped.

Don't like Japanese games much unless they're westernized a bit(or grounded) Controller not designed for hardcore gamers(adult hands size and play time duration) The PS brand screams follow the leader.

PS4 reveal was a response to MSFT 's plans I would take Sony's plans with a grain of Salt you guys need to take it down a notch. PS4 doesn't exist No hardware, with games running on PS4 spec PC due to Sony changing the specs.

I couldn't find the article I was talking about in the 720 March Meeting article when I got attacked but I do have something better with trusted(sometimes)media http://n4g.com/news/1179674...

"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor. It's an ambitious strategy, made necessary owing to Microsoft's hopes for the new Xbox to be more than just a games machine"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.vgleaks.com/worl...

This is starting to smell like "PS3 is 10x more powerful than a super computer" "PS3 1080p@120fps"
"PS3 will launch in winter, no spring, no summer, oh wait fall!"

MSFT has a lot of studios mostly new now working on 720 games. The goal of this generation wasn't to compete with 3rd party devs but to help them thrive building them up enough to stablize their future and to win them over as the platform/brand to go to. MSFT can now do what they're doing because of this. MSFT had announced this strategy before the 360 even launched they modeled it after the PS2 effect.
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Virtual_Reality  +   671d ago
Fable 3 is not even exclusive, is multiplatform (available on PC).
Root  +   671d ago
@greenpowerz

Good grief

"PS4 reveal was a response to MSFT 's plans I would take Sony's plans with a grain of Salt"

Like how you guys still think MS give a crap about us core gamers, despite them focusing on Kinect for like 2-3 years now. You keep telling yourselfs "They care about us...just you see" and nothing happens, we get a Halo game or a Gears game every so often. Alan Wake 2 will be on the Nextbox but then what...Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable again. Least with Sony you see new and old games and I'll tell you what you won't see another inFAMOUS or Killzone for a while after their next ones come out, they are obviously using old franchises to test the PS4 out and to gain an install base on the PS4, then you'll see new IPs from their studios.

"you guys need to take it down a notch."

and people like you need to wake the f*** up and not be blinded by Microsofts false hope

I'm not a fanboy but it's pretty obviously that recently Sony are the only ones still aiming towards core experiences and staying true to what gaming is all about. You don't need to be a fanboy to work that one out, just a gamer who wants some good core experiences.

"Sold my PS3 after I beat Killzone when it came out. sat there for a few days and got rid of it. Games are not fun and over hyped."

So what about Uncharted, God of War, Journy, Flower, Resistance, inFAMOUS, Heavy Rain, GT5, Playstation All Stars, Dead Nation, Ni No Kuni etc

"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor"

You do realise Sony has 8GB of Ram as well

"MSFT has a lot of studios mostly new now working on 720 games."

and how many of them will be Kinect games or games which will force you to add Kinect to have a "better experience".

Even if the launch games aren't all Kinect what about after. They'll just have games to have an install base for the Nextbox and then they will resort back to aiming towards the casuals to buy their new system and put a massive focus on it being a entrainment box.

Seriously come on man, wake up and smell the roses.

I'll buy the nextbox...I'mm a gamer and will want to play on Alan Wake 2 and such but I'm not blind that MS just don't give a crap anymore. With the amount of studios they have and we've had the same games...hell they cancelled Conker 2, Kameo 2 and the Perfect Dark sequel for Kinect....that ticks me off enough
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MikeMyers  +   671d ago
"and how many of them will be Kinect games or games which will force you to add Kinect to have a "better experience". "

Nobody on here actually knows, that's the whole point. But I'm sure that's not going to stop you from fear-mongering until then.
BlueTemplar  +   671d ago
@greenpowerz are you on drugs?

"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor. It's an ambitious strategy, made necessary owing to Microsoft's hopes for the new Xbox to be more than just a games machine"

WRONG! Durango has 8gb of slower ddr3 ram and the ps4 has 8gb of much faster gddr5 ram. This is not a rumour - this is something thats been officially announced.

Dont know why im arguing with you really, you are clearly a deluded mentalist.
ALLWRONG  +   671d ago
You sold your 360 because of "lack of exclusives" when the 360 has more exclusives than the PS3.
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   671d ago
@ greenpowerz

"PS4 reveal was a response to MSFT 's plans I would take Sony's plans with a grain of Salt you guys need to take it down a notch. PS4 doesn't exist No hardware, with games running on PS4 spec PC due to Sony changing the specs."

The normal fasting period before a colonoscopy is normally 24 hours. I bet your doctor would recommend you fast for a whole week because you're so full of sh!t son.

In descending order, there are fanatics, then their fanboys, then there are crazies, then there's you.
bicfitness  +   671d ago
"Evangelists".

I think that's the term you're looking for. Blind and fervent faith in something intangible (like the love of a corporation for its customers).

More to the point, MS won't change their hardware; its too late in the game. What was leaked is what we'll get, just like with Orbis. They could add another 4GB of DDR3, but what's the point? The mobo was designed for DDR3 (see the EDRAM) and having more low-bandwidth RAM won't count for much.
grayfoxx881  +   671d ago
You just can't resist trolling. PirateThom brought up an extremely valid point, one that many core gamers and websites have been echoing for the last few years now, and you seem to think it's nonexistent. You are pathetic.

What's even worse, he makes no mention of Sony or Playstation, but you feel the need to insult people that enjoy that console. Can't you just post something without including propaganda and nonsense?

I think everyone gets it by now. You like MS and Xbox. So do many others on this site, myself included. The thing is, are you so insecure about what other people may like that you constantly have to spew desperate comments? How old are you?
DigitalRaptor  +   671d ago
Sony will bring the awesome with PS4 and for the first time in a generation, they have the support of an outrageous number of publishers, their tech is very very developer friendly (and very very powerful). The "inferior ports" argument will no longer be relevant (or perhaps reversed. The OS complaints will no longer be relevant. The "waiting to play your games" argument will no longer be relevant. They have the Gaikai team on board to develop one of the fastest and most relevant online gaming networks, they have the highest-value subscription service in gaming with Plus, and they will have free online to compliment their premium network expansion.

He's scared that Xbox brand won't maintain the same level of popularity over PlayStation as it has this gen. Sony have admitted past mistakes and put into action a solution that is good for developers and gamers. Their conference proved that, and he's worried that what they showed on the 20th will actually comes to fruition, so denial is the best option. It's THAT simple.
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TheSauce  +   671d ago
Games I think MS will show at the show:

First Party-

Black Tusk's new game
Lionhead's MMO
PGR 5
And 2 other new IPs from various studios

Third Party-

Next COD
Epic Game's Fortnite
Bethesda's Fallout 4
CD Projekt's Witcher 3
And some exclusive content deal
Y_5150  +   671d ago
And of course to show the inevitable new Halo game coming for the system during their E3 show.
Grap  +   671d ago
they will show at least six exclusive IP. Ryse one of them
Kalowest  +   671d ago
I love your list and I really want that to happen.
MS wants "Black Tusk's new game(actually 4 new franchise)" to compete with halo and beat it.
MagneticDeath  +   671d ago
Fortnite is a pc exclusive.
TheSauce  +   671d ago
Yes but that was said over a year ago and Epic still hasn't shown any footage of it. The game has gone dark. Usually games that go dark have a tendency to pop back up in some surprising places. Much like Watch Dogs.
ThatKanadianKid  +   671d ago
Great article. I love a good competition, and I would love to see Microsoft rival Sony in exclusive content next-gen. My 360 is primarily used for playing games with my friends now, and the funny thing is we still play a lot of the exclusives from the early days of the 360. PGR3, The Outfit etc.
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dcbronco  +   671d ago
If Microsoft was going to concentrate on casual games they wouldn't have wasted money trying to improve Kinect. They improved it to make it more of a part of hardcore games.
Hicken  +   671d ago
Or they're improving so core gamers THINK it'll be better for core games. Wouldn't be all that different from how they kept telling people they'd put out good core titles on the Kinect now, only to fail miserably. Didn't matter, cuz they'd already made their money off people who bought their lies, and their peripheral.

Edit: In general, I agree with you. However, I'm sure you'll understand my skepticism, after what was delivered wasn't close to what was promised last time.
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dcbronco  +   671d ago
But like many other parts that have been made they don't always have the capabilities they thought they would have. USB 2 wasn't fast enough and they probably thought they could over come the issues of through software updates. Like the compression they added later. It didn't work out.

But anyone thinking we aren't moving to new ways of interfacing with machines hasn't been keeping up with technology. It's going to happen. Kinect is a small step in that direction.
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Philoctetes  +   671d ago
Nice article. Unfortunately, the decline of MS core exclusives was 100% predictable as soon as Kinect was announced. I don't doubt that the 720 will feature some core launch titles (it pretty much has to), but we know that MS is more committed to Kinect's audience than it is to core gamers, so I'd expect those exclusives to peter out pretty quickly.
edonus  +   671d ago
MS doesnt have a challenge with core games at all. This is just non sense that came from the poison the industry has associated with kinect.

MS will make games that will sell. If they make 5 core games and none of them sell, and five kinect title and 3 of them sell the fault of the market changing falls to the core gamer. The same people that didnt Rush out and buy Alan Wake the same ones that didnt rush out and by Lost Odyssey the same ones that didnt rush out and buy Infamous 2 and PS Battle Royale and Twisted Metal.

The market takes the shape we give it and core games are reflecting what the market really is. The games that sell the most are sequels of established franchises and games that follow the same formula as those games. Core gamers have abandoned experimentation and learning new things and no matter how much you try to hide the people that has to make the smart decisions see.

The industry doesnt give contract and cost breakdowns between devs and publishers and manufacturers and retail but it you see more casual games being made that normally means there is more money there. We have to make sure there is more money in the core market or all the blubbering and crying you do means nothing.

Basically MS will kick up production of first party core exclusives and will continue to push them until they dont sell anymore. Like any reasonable smart company would do.
glennco  +   671d ago
Kinect games don't sell yet they have still invested heavily in the tech so they will continue to push it, sales or no sales. MS needs to give us more than it did in the current gen or we will look elsewhere. If they think they can just focus on 3 tired franchises that have been milked already, they are in for a huge shock. There are a few annoyed xbox gamers out there expecting MS to lift their game or GTFO. Gamers want games, we don't give a shit about functionality our PCs or TVs can do for free.
edonus  +   671d ago
Thats part of the poison. Kinect games actually sell really well when you factor in their make up. The development costs are extremely low Just Dance, Dance central, are multi million selling games across several releases. Star Wars kinect has sold well over 1 million units, Disneyland Adv. over 2 million.

Kinect Spots is a stand alone title and moved over 7 million between 2 games. Kinectimals did over a million. Joy ride did over 1 million. Then if you look at most of these games have shoestring budgets so selling a few 100 thousand makes them profit it even expands. Sonic Free riders is close 1 million, the Wipe out game did over half a million. These are games that cost next to nothing to make.

You may get caught up on games like Fable the Journey and Steel battalion not doing so good and that true but those could be considered more R&D even though they are decent games in their own right. The games that sell the worst are meant for the core market and you have seen the witch hunt they have had going against motion controlled games in general.

Next gen the big companies will start to wash away some of the craziness that has been in place against motion gaming then the block will be gone and core gamers will have permission to try and enjoy new things again.

And I forgot to add.... kinect is a peripheral. That means its not 70 million people in the pool, its more around 25 million and thats right now.
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rainslacker  +   671d ago
I don't think MS has completely ignored the core, but the perception is there, even among some of the most stout XBox supporters.

You seem to be implying that it's the media that is causing this. But do you really believe that fans of a system are that influenced by the media in this regard. Take a look at the Sony side, negative articles haven't deterred their support for the PS3 for the most part. Why do you assume that XBox fans are different.

MS has a very noticeable shift in focus on the games they release. There is no denying that MS own marketing is very heavily focused on Kinect and their big hitters such as Halo or GOW.

To a somewhat outsider to the Xbox line, it is very apparent to me that the core game support isn't what it used to be, because despite my looking to get one, nothing I've seen in the past three years has convinced me. The few big hitters aren't enough for me to buy the system, and the Kinect stuff being their premiere focus completely turns me off from it.

This isn't Sony fans hating on Xbox(although there is some of that), it's a very obvious group of XBox gamers which have noted a very apparent shift in MS focus.

There is no denying that it is smart for a company to try to sell games that appeal to the most number of people. But a well rounded portfolio of core and casual games goes a long way in providing long term viability and lack of disillusionment among those that support you.

If MS does indeed wish to change their focus next gen, as some sites are implying, then their current marketing could certainly help them in their overall goal. One thing I think a lot of people dismiss is that the Big 3 have their own goals, and despite what an individual wants, none of that will really matter if it isn't what the manufacturer actually wants to achieve.

I want MS to do well, and if they want to become a media powerhouse then I say go for it. But if they are going to do it in a game console, then I want them to bring something worthwhile and varied to gaming as a whole. It's not something they are doing now, and given their current attitude towards the market, I'm not going to get on the hype train for them. They've proven to me they are more about the money than the gamer, and as a gamer I would prefer to support the companies that bring the most to gaming, in this case, Nintendo and Sony.
edonus  +   670d ago
The perception is a manufactured one. The reality is 360 still gets 90+% of all the core games made in the industry and they sell just evenly when compared to the Ps3 and the 360 big exclusives are always in the if not the highest selling games each year they come out. So the xboxers that you refer to are so insignificant they dont exist.

And yes I do imply that it is the media poisoning the industry on a whole. Not just kinect but in the kinect situation you see the evidence in abundance. I started realizing gaming journalism was poison when I saw them play King maker to GTAIV. It was a good game in its own rights but they were giving it 10s and ignoring blatant issues. On the flipside with Kinect I saw complete and total misinformation being passed of and spread as fact and unchecked.

This noticeable focus you talk about.... how many commercials did you see for Fable the Journey on TV I saw none and even fewer for Steel Battalion. When kinect first came out they had a decent saturation of commercials but that what your suppose to do when you are pushing something but now the commercials only show kinect as an after thought. The last Kinect game that got a serious push was Kinect Star Wars and it moved over a million units despite all of the lies and craziness the gaming journalist said about it.

As for a balanced portfolio that is exactly what MS has built, there casual space has several million selling franchises there core exclusive market has some of, and the biggest franchises in gaming and they still sell on par with all multiplat core and casual releases.
Compare that to Sony They have pretty much no presence in the casual market. They have core exclusives that half of them move lackluster units the other half does good and the core multiplat releases are almost the same as on the 360.

If you havent got a 360 yet you never were. Remember when Mass Effect(one of the biggest franchises this gen) was 360 exclusive same for Bioshock, Lost Odyssey and Blue dragon are still some of the best JRPGs this gen. Alan Wake critically acclaimed success.... not to mention the first 3-4 years the quality of multiplats always favored the 360 and it was always cheaper than the Ps3 so if you couldnt find anything to get you in you clearly werent looking.

The industry is a different place now, there are more than one path an no one knows which one will lead to success. It could end up being that the difference in what your system is may move from exclusive content but exclusive interaction.

What core gamers dont realize is its easy to make core games you just need the money and we know MS has the money. The challenge is getting them of their a$$es and buying the games. The market reflects what we make it reflect. Stop listening to IGN and G4TV and start playing experimenting and trying have fun instead of trying to find the sure thing all the time (would be my message to core gamers).
rainslacker  +   670d ago
I wouldn't call them insignificant, because it's a noticeable thing. If it were one or two people then yeah, I wouldn't have mentioned them. In the grand scheme of things they may not matter, but on a new system launch they are the ones that MS will want to be targeting, because they will be the early adopters.

Media is the media, and yeah I agree, for the most part they are a great annoyance. But I don't think they are completely off on this one.

Is MS portfolio balanced? Overall yeah, for how long MS has been in the industry I'd say they have some good IP's in there, and certainly plenty to satisfy the casuals. But the point of this discussion is how much of their core portfolio do we actually see? Halo and Forza and Fable. That's all you hear about. That's all I've seen MS focus on. The other new IP's early in the Xbox life, or possible new IP's we may see, have no bearing on the present until they announce it. The rest of their core is from 3rd party, and that's the distinction that you are ignoring in your comments. 3rd party will continue to support Xbox in the next gen I'm sure, but what about MS 1st party games and services will distinguish them in the future? 3rd party is almost a moot point, because for the most part you will see games be multi-platform. However, to that end, Sony still has more 3rd party exclusives than Xbox, mostly localized from Japan.

I stayed away from MS early because I have never trusted MS with hardware. Even before the first XBox I thought any hardware they made was crap, and never had anything from them that lasted more than a year. When RROD came around I was glad I stood by that decision. I give them credit now that they actually have an XBox that seems to be solid, and when I felt comfortable with that I did begin looking into getting one. There were a few exclusives that I wanted to get(you even named a couple), but others had already made their way onto another system, or I had played them on PC.

What I found was that there was nothing on the horizon that appealed to me outside a few games. The others I could have gotten on another system(3rd party), and the rest just weren't enough to put money down on the system. That is the difference now between Sony and MS. Sony has time and again shown that they support the system with a very diverse 1st party portfolio that is continuously expanding, and manage to get strong 3rd party support. MS has failed to do that with 1st party, and in fact, they've made me believe that they don't care about the core that much at all except for the few big IP's they've been releasing this whole gen.

I have faith in Sony because history has shown they can support their core along with everyone else. MS shown that as soon as they found a better revenue stream, they abandoned the core and throw a few bones to satiate their core consumers. And that is what this discussion is about, perception. That perception is very real from XBox owners, those interested in Xbox, and those that care nothing about XBox. It is based on logic and quantifiable data on the state of MS gaming. It is not manufactured.
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FarCryLover182  +   671d ago
Every since J Allard left Microsoft and Mattrick came in, they haven't given a $#@! about the core gamer.
Martywren  +   671d ago
Alman i miss lost odessy, fingers crossed for LO2 come on MS its time for a sequel and Blue Dragon a good game too.
SDF Repellent  +   671d ago
On topic, looking back at the Xbox 1 days, there were sure a lot of great IPs that I wish Microsoft would revisit for the X720.

Blinx: The Time Sweeper
MechAssault
Rallisport Challenge
Brute Force
Crimson Skies
Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus (well, maybe not this one, LOL)
Phantom Dust
Conker
Jade Empire
NukaCola  +   671d ago
Project Gotham Racing
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Otogi
Oddworld Munch and Stranger
Mech Warrior
Tow Jam and Earl 3
Shenmue

I love the original Xbox. What MS did this generation is such an embarrassment. I can't believe they started off so amazingly, and then transitioned into such a greedy monetarily focused company. It's not about the games at all. It's all about the revenue, the statistics and the monopoly of the industry.
PockyKing  +   671d ago
Kinda agree with that kinda don't. On one hand,they charge 60 a year for access to online play, and reward gamers with their reward program like maybe 20 points a month or up to 200 for buying things on the marketplace. 20 msp is like 5 cents I think, which is ridiculous compared to what PS Plus has done in such a short amount of time of being available. Microsoft could easily do the exact same service with all the money aquired from XBL, but instead Gold members get free demos that everyone can get on PSN etc.

I think they're still about the gamers, but they've looked the wrong market now. The Kinect is better suited for the Nintendo fans and just doesn't bode well with the 360. Even with the great sales, the fans of the original Xbox have been left in the dust. I could ramble on this for hours, but Microsoft needs to bring back the actual games and not shovel-ware kinect games.
Grimhammer00  +   671d ago
If I sold you a product then stopped supporting it after 4yrs....would that upset you? How about I convince you to buy my next integration...but it breaks down a lot for the first few years of production. You mad yet?
How about I sell you functionality that's widely free everywhere else? Mad yet?
I virtually stop supporting my core audience and fill your screen with ads....ads that generate money for me. But I trickle none of this to you in any meaningful way. Mad yet?

My point is. We're all slaves to our wants and that's being human. But wake up a bit....why think MS are going to change next gen?
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KillrateOmega  +   671d ago
I feel the same. I'd like to see MS really push for new 1Ps and core gamers, but then I look at their track record and feel doubtful. I can't really trust them to do so.

I'm currently an Xbox gamer, but I'm seriously considering switching back to the PS team. I'll still wait to see what MS officially reveals, but still...
Minato-Namikaze  +   671d ago
We'll see how MS responds.
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nigelp520  +   671d ago
Does anyone remember the first Xbox Microsoft made good games like

Mechassualt
Crimson Skies
Jade Empire
Whacked
Brute Force
Phantom Dust
Grabbed by the Ghoulies
Tao Feng
Blinx
Quantum Redshift
glennco  +   671d ago
I don't think the MS strategy is anywhere near the same as when they first arrived on the console scene. As a long time Xbox customer I will probably switch this gen to either PS or just get a PC. I don't think MS cares any more about core gamers, they are following the greed model at the detriment of their fans.

MS really needs to do a 180 or I simply am not interested next gen.
medman  +   671d ago
As an owner of a 360 and a PS3 I can say that as of right now I'm heavily leaning toward purchasing the PS4 for my next console. The only way this would change is if Microsoft's NextBox is a technical behemoth, which is highly doubtful. Sony has tried and put out very good games late in the PS3's console cycle. I have no idea what Microsoft is doing, other than trying to reach into my pockets to steal my money whenever I turn my head. Sony keeps providing gaming hits for the PS3. Microsoft charges me hand over fist for online functionality then subjects me to incessant advertisements at every turn. I'm out. I'm not even going to mention how many Xbox consoles I've run through this generation (I've payed for two, but considering how many times I had to send my Xbox out to customer service when it was under warranty for them to send me a replacement, my current console is actually my 4th Xbox). Sony has been more reliable, not only from a hardware standpoint, but from a software standpoint as well. I will reward them with my dollars when the PS4 comes out. I wish Microsoft good luck, but I'm done. P.S. Don't get me started on Kinect.
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AO1JMM  +   671d ago
So many assumptions.

I'll reserve my opinion on MS and next gen when it actually arrives.
Droid Control  +   670d ago
I've lost trust in M$.

I won't be buying the 720 no matter how good it seems initially. They betrayed me this gen by switching to a casual focus. I loved the original xbox and the 360 for the first 3 years, the last 5 have been hell.

I pay for xbox LIVE but have a horrible looking dashboard filled with adverts. The only IP they have is Halo, forza, and gears and I don't even like them!

PS4 all the way!
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urwifeminder  +   670d ago
Im sticking with ms they just do everything better in my eyes, if wii u gets cheap i may get one.
Smootherkuzz  +   670d ago
All that has seen is rumors and supposed leaks of the new systems i think we need to wait and see whats releashed, to many things can change before then. Also remember, exclusivity does not make a console alone good games do from where ever the come from. No console can be up on a high all the time there's going to be low times thats been proved across all consoles. Looking under the hood don't mean jack if the software is crap we seen that before also.The biggest problem I see in video console gaming is keeping it fresh thats why i like the kinect,move,eye because it adds something different to the game and the more things they add the better. Yes some motion/command games can be crap but they are getting better so add your gaming racing wheels and things and game on. And hell get all consoles if that's what it takes to get your fix lol.
lema008  +   670d ago
No one has seen or heard the final specs for the next720. So wait(which will come soon enough) to get all the facts before rushing to judgement.

Is MS perfect in everything, no. Do they make mistakes, yes, but so does Sony.

When $ony plan to charge $600 for there new system and at the same time tell you how grateful you should be. Where were all you fanboys then. $ony corporation was giving you 4 gigs memory and you were very happy with that. MS force there hand and now your getting 8 gigs. You got MS to thank for that!

Look at what Sony brings out another Killzone, Infamous, ect.. I guess when they do it, it's ok.

Sure MS seem to lost focus a little with the Kinect. Kinect was a big hit and MS establishing the software and Ip's for it. Ligitimate grips.

They heard the rumbling and you can see MS is taking it seriously with the games they are lining up.

Sure MS has plans for the living room but don't think Sony doesn't either.

But, lets be real. With MS and Sony bringing out there new consoles, we should all rejoice and enjoy all the goodness coming.
headblackman  +   670d ago
this whole Microsoft event is the biggest and dumbest idea from Microsoft if it even happens. it would be a huge trap that Sony is putting out for them. they just need to stick to their guns and not comment on any of their tasks until it was time, and the e3 is the place and not a moment till then. Sony is looking to see Microsoft's creative hands so they can copy them to say ooooh look, we've got that too. they don't have the innovative mind anymore. bluray is their last big idea. everything after that has been total rip offs that doesn't work in their favor. I just wish there was some kind of place for Microsoft to read mags from their fans. any person with one eye and a half of a brain could see that this is a show me something that I can still from you trap and or a show the public what you have so I can see what they don't like about your plans so I know not to do it or to take it out of the ps4 type of trap. come on Microsoft. we know that you're smarter than this simple 3rd grade game.

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